Megyn Miscalculations

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We're witnessing the end of Megyn Kelly's career at NBC.  The NBC executives have finally decided it's time to cut their losses and move on.  The only question is how ugly it will get.  That all depends on how well Kelly's lawyers protected her and how hard the NBC execs want to fight this.  For $17 million a year... it's bound to get ugly. 

 

I suspect there will be the equivalent of an "ethics clause" fight; though I've heard the contract is pretty tight in her favor.  I also suspect NBC brass has been waiting for something they could hang their hats on... and Kelly recently obliged with the "blackface" comments.  Kelly needs to understand that it doesn't really matter; had it not been this, it would eventually (and soon) have been something else.

 

But, looking back, Megyn Kelly's move from Fox to NBC was doomed from the beginning.  It was a slow-motion car wreck involving a lot of industry people who should have known better.  The miscalculations by everybody involved were astounding.

 

 

The biggest miscalculation was made by both Kelly and the NBC producers/executives... and that was in thinking Kelly's Fox audience (or even a sizable portion of them) would follow her to NBC.  It was never going to happen and just about any regular Fox viewer could have told you that.  Yet, people in the business (Kelly and NBC) had no clue. 

 

The value of that size audience was worth $17 million annually to NBC; they may have even settled for half that, but 1 in 10 (at best) ... THAT was a debacle; and debacles eventually have to be cleaned up.

 

Yes, Kelly also thought she could deliver a sizable chunk of her Fox viewers, but she also naively thought that the leftist (employees and audience) at NBC would embrace her as she was.  That was never going to happen either; not without two other prerequisites...

1) She brings a big audience (money) and

2) She immediately and full-tilt went leftist (a few earlier minor league jabs at Trump wasn't going to cut in the NBC News majors).

 

Me?  I have no dog in this fight... but then that's not exactly true.  One dog (NBC News) I hate with a passion and the other (Megyn Kelly) I'm ambivalent about at best (though it seems a lot of people on my side of the fence aren't that impressed).

 

Yes... I can't stand NBC, and anytime they piss away millions is a good thing.  That's millions less they can use to do real damage.

 

But Megyn Kelly?  Meh... she was an OK interviewer, anchor, talking head... but I could take her or leave her in that regard as could a few million others who made up her Fox audience.  When she went to NBC there was really no decision to make.

 

This is one of those rare win/win situations with the leftist main stream media screwing itself when they should have known better from the beginning.  Best case scenario now, is both sides entrench and drag this out in the mud as long as possible. 

 

I'll take a large popcorn and a coke, please...

Comments

Spartacus Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:14pm
Kelly never thought Trump would win.  Her biggest fail bar none.
 
She thought she could be another debate candidate, on stage with Trump, and upstage Trump with her "morality" accusations -- with FOXNEWS backing her 100%.  "YOU HATE WOMEN".  "YOU ARE NOT US".
Her "followers" resented her for this.  They basically said, "Kelly, YOU are not us!"  Kelly's ratings plummeted after those debates.  Foxnews understood the message real fast . . . Kelly was the fall-girl.
 
Everything after those 2016 debates is just the pieces flying off her destroyed career.  The NBC stint was just a salvage operation.
Ken Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:23pm
Having found out a bit more about this situation since it first came out - and while I think she is quite beautiful, never really was a fan, I think she was unfairly persecuted and has the facts on her side to take NBC for every cent they owe her.
 
Why?
 
She simply asked a question - it was about a white person who admired donna summer impersonating her for halloween and asking if putting blackface on would be appropriate. 
 
That's it.  She didn't wear blackface, she didn't condone it, she simply asked a fair and reasonable question.
 
And now a look at history - Jimmy Fallon actually DID put on blackface to impersonate Chris Rock.  What network? NBC.
 
Jimmy Kimmel did a blackface version of Karl Malone - not NBC, but another major network.
 
"Always Sunny in Philadelphia" did a blackface scene.
 
Others have done it, usually to point out how terrible it is, although Fallon did it just to make fun of Chris Rock (who is a friend of his, to be fair)
 
What exactly did she do that was fireable?
TexasLynn Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:29pm
Spartacus,
So what you're saying is that I'm completely wrong?  :)
 
I think MK (Megyn Kelly) definitely used the debates to stake ground as someone who would take on the right (and Trump in particular).  It was a move to gain the reputation as being tough.
 
I am a Fox News viewer, but I've never really considered myself as a follower of any one host.  Though I have been a big fan of a couple of contributors.  I do remember thinking that she was tougher on Trump than she was on Clinton.
 
Did her audience really plummet right after that?  I don't remember hearing about it, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.  I was always under the impression she demanded an exorbitant salary that Fox balked on and NBC agreed to.  I personally think Fox would have been happy to keep her... at her then current salary (or a little bump) ...
 
I must conclude that $17 Million a year was hardly a "salvage operation" in the minds of NBC or MK.  Noooo... this was a bet and one they all thought was a winning bet... it was also one that just about any Fox viewer could have told you was a loser.
Susitna Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:30pm
To Texas and Spartacus: I feel and think exactly the same as you guys. How could Kelly expose herself in such a silly way during the debate? I mean we all had serious problems, the country was divided and she was worried about Rosie O'Donnell? And how wrong was she to think that she could move the FOX audience in a U-Haul to NBC. To tell you the truth there was a time were I had to switch the channel when she was on. It was all this unbearable yelling into the camera like she was always right and untouchable. 
Well, she forgot the group of people like me: I was happy that she left FOX because number one, I didn't have to switch the channel anymore and number two, I don't watch NBC. And why did she believe that she could attract the same people in another channel and most of all in another format??!!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:31pm
That show trial-like admission was gross.
"I said something just yesterday, but without explanation I must say: I was wrong. I was a stupid, racist bigot and I apologize, dear comrades. My friend Sharon wanted me to steal that Korean poster to present it in her church. She hates communism and so I committed my crime task, wearing sneakers, best for sneaking."
TexasLynn Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:32pm
Ken, I haven't seen or researched what MK said because I don't think it was a factor in what happened.  It was simply the excuse waited for and eventually chosen.
 
"Kelly needs to understand that it doesn't really matter; had it not been this, it would eventually (and soon) have been something else."
 
It also doesn't matter that various leftist (like Jimmy Fallon) are hypocrites on the issue.  Political Correctness is a cudgel to be used against the enemies of the left... nothing more.
 
Spartacus Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:36pm
 hardly a "salvage operation" in the minds of NBC or MK
 
Well, TexasLynn, you and I both do not know the conditions of her contract.  One of the conditions of that 17mil could very well be that she grows and maintains her "business" while there at NBC.  That business includes "viewership" and "ratings".   NBC execs are not just giving away 17 mil for her "showing up" to their party.  I can assure you of that, my friend.
Ken Added Oct 29, 2018 - 5:43pm
TL - I would not be surprised if it was an excuse - nor was my point that Fallon was a hypocrite - my point was that NBC already set a standard b y allowing him to do that, and all she did was ask a question, yet one wasn't even reprimended and the other lost her job..  Unjustifiable in the business world.
Gregory S. McNeill Added Oct 29, 2018 - 6:11pm
I am not surprised at all.
Megyn Kelly did this to herself and she is a racist and NBC knew this from the start. I don't feel sorry for either party. 
FacePalm Added Oct 29, 2018 - 6:27pm
I have heard that MK was deathly ill when attempting to make Trump look bad at the presidential debate she attended, and had a trashcan standing by in case she gave up the groceries again.
 
According to Mark Taylor, the "fireman prophet," this is because she went after "God's annointed," and bad things seem to happen with depressing regularity to those who oppose him...like every time someone at the republican nominating debates trashed Trump, their numbers would go down and his would go up.
 
i don't like her and never liked her, even on Fox.  Nice to look at?  Maybe, but that is no measure of beauty.  Her cold eyes always betrayed her duplicity.
 
Then, contributing to her demise, was her total hit-piece on Alex Jones.  Unbeknownst to her, AJ had recorded the entirety of the pre-interview and the interview itself, so he later could play recordings of her sucking up to him with flattery, and PROMISING it wouldn't be a hit piece - yet she selectively edited her "interview" and attempted to trash his rep anyway.  So AJ painstakingly went over his recordings of the interview, found out exactly where the cuts were made, and published exactly where she'd deliberately twisted his words by taking what he said out of context, too. 
 
Yeah, the truth has exposed her lying ways.  Awesome!
 
I suspect that she's well on her way to joining the rest of the attorneys who are in hell, but she'll get a nice severance package she can cry into while she mulls over her ruined career, and maybe it'll give her some solace while she has cause to regret the many lies she's spoken in life.
 
Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
 
That said, it IS my sincere hope that she repents of her evil ways long before her demise, in sincerity and in genuine humility, and not only seeks forgiveness, but to make amends where possible.
Leroy Added Oct 29, 2018 - 6:29pm
I've never been a fan of hers, but she was a tough interviewer on Fox.  Her career seemed to take a hit when she started attacking Trump.  The format at Fox better suited her.  I never watched her on NBC, but I have seen clips and read articles.  She seemed to be trying to make the transition to the touchy, feely morning shows.  She's a cold-hearted woman (I'll be polite) and just can't compete with the other Kelly (Kelly Ripa) in this department.  She was out of her element.
 
The big question is, who would hire her today?  I don't see anyone paying her over a million a year if that.
Susitna Added Oct 29, 2018 - 6:41pm
To FacePalm: I have also heard that she was sick on that day. She knew what she was upon to do and she didn't reconsider. She is evil. May God protect President Trump always. 
To Leroy: She is cold-hearted, indeed. 
Leroy Added Oct 29, 2018 - 8:19pm
Now, take what Clinton recently said after the interviewer confused Eric Holder with Cory Booker, "Yeah, I know they all look alike. That seems a whole lot worse than what Kelly said.  Will Clinton be chastised for making such a racist statement?  Not a chance.  It will endear her more to the liberal cause, even if she is not a liberal.
FacePalm Added Oct 29, 2018 - 8:58pm
Good eye, Leroy.
SoS, different day; The Liar gets a pass, everyone else, not...well, as long as they're anything but leftist.  But her time is nearly up, as well as her freedom.
TexasLynn Added Oct 29, 2018 - 9:03pm
Susitna >> I mean we all had serious problems, the country was divided and she was worried about Rosie O'Donnell?
 
I think it was Trump that brought up Rosie O'Donnell in his answer (not MK in the question).  Her question was more general concerning his depiction of various women in various forums (quotes, tweets, etc).  Now, you have a very valid point that this issue/question is far from the most important, BUT... I think it was within bounds.
 
That said, MK lost a lot of credibility (with me) when she was not even remotely as "tough" on Hillary Clinton.  I think Trump overreacted in the weeks to come and MK followed suit. 
 
Susitna >> I was happy that she left FOX because number one, I didn't have to switch the channel anymore
 
I never reached that point.  My memory on her tenure at Fox may be selective.  I didn't see her as a "cold-hearted woman"... but to be honest I can't really remember an opinion one way or another before the Trump mess.  She definitely went off the deep end in reaction to Trump going after her.
 
Susitna >> And how wrong was she to think that she could move the FOX audience in a U-Haul to NBC.
 
And THAT is the main point of this post.  NBC should have known better.  MK should have known better.  It's their business to know better.  Yet any one of millions of Fox viewers could have told them differently.
 
To put this in perspective... Bill O'Reilly couldn't have pulled that off.
 
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Benjamin Goldstein,
Well, you got me to go look at the admission/apology and... I got about half way through before I just turned it off in disgust.
 
Again, MK misjudged her audience (the left) and her bosses (the ultra-left).  She assumed anything she said would have a bearing on their decision.  Just see Gregory's comment below for case in point.  And here it is... to the irrational left, not being irrationally left is racist.  I disagree with you on X... you are a racist is the "logic".
 
Meanwhile they have no clue that your average person sees this (repeatedly) and concludes, if EVERYTHING equals racism... nothing does.  They have cried wolf for the 1,389,991st time.  We stopped believing at 3.
 
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Spartacus >> Well, TexasLynn, you and I both do not know the conditions of her contract. 
 
True, but there are rumors on how tight it is.  I've heard it's pretty tight from the sources I generally trust.  We'll see.
 
Spartacus >> NBC execs are not just giving away 17 mil for her "showing up" to their party.  I can assure you of that, my friend.
 
I agree.  But they've also proven they’re not the brightest bulbs in the bunch. :)  Thus, let the lawsuits and the mudslinging begin.  Like I said, I think that's the best-case scenario.  Pass the popcorn. :)
 
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Ken, you are right in your pointing out of the double standard (Fallon and Kelly).  But if there is a key attrobite that defines the main stream media... it's "double standard".
 
Again, MK expected a fair shake... from the NBC audience, from NBC executives... Once the numbers (audience) didn't follow her, a retarded socialist could have predicted the events that followed.
TexasLynn Added Oct 29, 2018 - 9:04pm
Gregory S. McNeill >> I am not surprised at all. Megyn Kelly did this to herself and she is a racist and NBC knew this from the start. I don't feel sorry for either party.
 
Out of curiosity, is this opinion based on just this incident or do you have something else we should consider concerning this alleged "wolf".
 
So far all I've heard is "I disagree with Megyn Kelly... Megyn Kelly is a racist."
 
We stopped believing at 3, Greg...
 
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FacePalm,
Interesting information that I was not aware of.
 
I'm not too quick when putting God on anybody's side; other than being long-suffering for each of us to seek Him.
 
If we look at bad things happening to people who oppose politicians, then God loves the Clintons.  What a little stomach bug (or dropping ratings) compared to bodies dropping like flys? Literally! :)
 
The Alex Jones thing is interesting.  I really like it when someone pulls something like that to expose frauds.  I think that's one reason I like Project Veritas so much.
 
And, we definitely agree in hoping all of us genuinely repent of our failings and seek forgiveness.
TexasLynn Added Oct 29, 2018 - 9:04pm
Leroy >> I've never been a fan of hers, but she was a tough interviewer on Fox.
 
Like I said, I didn't really have an opinion of her before the Trump thing... and even after that was only disappointed that she was not consistent.
 
Personally, I want tough interviewers to hit the Republicans where it hurts... as long as they do the same to the Democrats.  We have all of one and none of the other.
 
Leroy >> Her career seemed to take a hit when she started attacking Trump. 
 
Yeah!  An annual $17 Million dollar hit!  Throw me in that briar patch! :)
 
Leroy >> The format at Fox better suited her. 
 
It did, and she might have realized that if she could have separated her ego from the situation.  That's hard to do.
 
Leroy >> I never watched her on NBC,
 
Nobody (from Fox) did... and that was her undoing.
 
Leroy >> ... but I have seen clips and read articles.  She seemed to be trying to make the transition to the touchy, feely morning shows.
 
I didn't even do that; but the mental image of the process makes me a bit nauseous (like her "apology").  Again, her only hope (after not delivering the goods) was to go nut-ball left; we're talking "Joy Behar" nuts here.
 
Leroy >> She's a cold-hearted woman (I'll be polite) and just can't compete with the other Kelly (Kelly Ripa) in this department.  She was out of her element.
 
Yep... and she should have known it before she ever took the first step.  It was a very profitable mistake.  I would cry all the way to the bank if I were her.
 
Leroy >> The big question is, who would hire her today?  I don't see anyone paying her over a million a year if that.
 
You're right.  Her only hope would be Fox again, and I just don't see it happening.  But... if you find yourself in that position it's good not to need a job in the first place. :)
 
Leroy >> Now, take what Clinton recently said after the interviewer confused Eric Holder with Cory Booker...
 
Yeah... that was priceless and a great opportunity to see the "double=standard".  Imagine, just imagine ANY conservative or Republican saying such a thing...
 
Let's see what Gregory S. McNeill has to say about it. :)  I'm guessing crickets.
Ken Added Oct 29, 2018 - 9:05pm
Megyn Kelly did this to herself and she is a racist and NBC knew this from the start. I don't feel sorry for either party. 
 
Haha....the biggest racist on the site is back calling everyone white racist. 
 
as FP said - SSDD...
 
You are a one trick pony Gregory
Ken Added Oct 29, 2018 - 9:08pm
Like I said, I didn't really have an opinion of her before the Trump thing... and even after that was only disappointed that she was not consistent.
 
I actually had a good opinion of her show and enjoyed it prior to the first debate.  She did a solid interview with Bill Ayers and another with the radical professor from University of  Colorado among others.  Just getting them to be willing to be interviewed was astounding, and she cross examined them like the expert lawyer she is.
 
I was disgusted with how she turned the first debate into a complete shit show.  That is why I have a noncommittal opinion now.  Instead of taking the first debate and showing substantive differences, it was all about ratings and how snarky can we get.
FacePalm Added Oct 29, 2018 - 11:13pm
Tex-
If we look at bad things happening to people who oppose politicians, then God loves the Clintons.  What is a little stomach bug (or dropping ratings) compared to bodies dropping like flies? Literally! :)
 
Good point!
However, nothing the President did was fatal to his opponents(not yet, anyway), quite unlike the Clinton Body Count.
 
The both of them are a pair of very dirty birds, and will receive their comeuppances shortly.
 
The Storm is coming.  The time is up for those who are corrupt.
Susitna Added Oct 30, 2018 - 5:00am
To TexasLynn: You know what, you keep always referring to the softball interview Kelly/Clinton that I missed because I can barely watch Clinton longer than 10 seconds. So I was thinking.......if Kelly was soft on the women's idol of the left she was sure pandering to that audience, and if she was doing so, maybe she was in conversations already back then to "move over" to NBC and was just setting the table.
Thanks for your comments above. You took so much time to respond!
Steel Breeze Added Oct 30, 2018 - 8:18am
interesting,but,i quit tv 20 yrs ago, so what happens to a piece of fluff on there is.....meh...
TexasLynn Added Oct 30, 2018 - 9:12am
Ken >> I actually had a good opinion of her show and enjoyed it prior to the first debate.
 
I think she could have made it work on Fox, but she had Oprah Winfrey level aspirations (based on her own comments).  That requires going main stream... and selling out.
 
Ken >> I was disgusted with how she turned the first debate into a complete shit show. ... Instead of taking the first debate and showing substantive differences, it was all about ratings and how snarky can we get.
 
By that debate she had made her decision to bail on Fox and was laying the groundwork for the move.
 
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FacePalm >> Good point! (on Clinton Body Count)
 
True dat. :)
 
FacePalm >> The both of them are a pair of very dirty birds, and will receive their comeuppances shortly.
 
Again... not something I expect much of in this world.  Though it's good to see karma kick in every now and then.
 
FacePalm >> The Storm is coming.  The time is up for those who are corrupt.
 
I hope you're right but continue to be the skeptic.
 
If the time is up for those who are corrupt on a grand scale... then it will be the first time in history.  Trump may be a game changer... but to achieve THAT!  Again, I continue to be the skeptic.
 
In the short term... the GOP will lose the House and maintain the Senate; meaning most hope for accountability will be lost in about a week's time.
 
That said, I'm horrible at political predictions.  Come back here next week and give me a big "I told you so", and well rejoice together. :)
 
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Susitna >> You know what, you keep always referring to the softball interview Kelly/Clinton that I missed
 
I don't think there was an interview... I'm more referring to the debate and her talking points (on her show) going forward.  She didn't hit Clinton hard at all in the debate (like Trump) and then after the debate ignored Clinton scandals altogether.  BUT a lot of her direction after the debate was in reaction to Trump attacking her personally.
 
As I mentioned with Ken above, I think she had already made her decision by debate time; whether the deal was on the table or not.  You've got to think they the boys at NBC were well aware of her contract status and contacts and inquiries were already made.
 
Susitna >> Thanks for your comments above. You took so much time to respond!
 
And thanks for commenting.  It's interaction like this that makes for a good thread and discussion.
 
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Steel Breeze >> interesting,but,i quit tv 20 yrs ago
 
Glad we could catch you up a bit. :)  Stay tuned.
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Oct 30, 2018 - 3:54pm
Dear comrades,
I also committed a crime-task. I apologize for all the hurt feelings and stuff.
https://goldsteinweb.wordpress.com/2018/10/30/welt-warns-me-claim-that-i-have-hurt-their-feelings/
Please, Marx in...in .... in wherever he is, forgive me!
FacePalm Added Oct 30, 2018 - 5:36pm
Tex-
That said, I'm horrible at political predictions.  Come back here next week and give me a big "I told you so", and we'll rejoice together. :)
 
Believe me, every fiber of my being wants to do just that, but i promised i wouldn't exult over-much, so i won't.
 
Besides, there's a Proverb which states "Do not rejoice when your enemy stumbles, lest the Lord see it, and be displeased, and turn away His anger from him," though i'm certain that the plural and general is just as applicable as the singular and specific.
 
Until the globalist scum of the NWO are defeated, thoroughly and permanently, i do not wish to see His anger turned away from them, so i'll pray for the strength to not to get puffed up with pride over their defeat...though it will be EXTREMELY tempting, that is one of our tasks - to overcome and triumph with His help.
 
Based on the Taylor prophesies, this(the destruction/elimination/imprisonment of the corrupt) is EXACTLY what the Lord will do, is doing now, and will continue to do into the future.  As i'm sure you already know, a place in the OT says that the test of whether or not a prophet is of God is whether or not the words come to pass; should you visit sordrescue, you'll soon discover that every word God gave him in 2011 came to pass, thus lending credence to the rest ... and as one of his newer prophesies says that the democrats are going to be overwhelmingly defeated, it will be very easy to check in a week whether Mark is or isn't.
 
Don't blame ya a bit for being skeptical; we've(Americans, not to mention peoples in other countries attacked in the past and are being attacked now) became accustomed to corruption, more's the pity, and have been waiting LONG, PRAYING long, for the promises of the Most High to be fulfilled.  "when you see these things happening..." Look up.  Right?
TexasLynn Added Oct 31, 2018 - 10:05am
FP >> Besides, there's a Proverb which states "Do not rejoice when your enemy stumbles...
 
The Lord does love humility... and I've got that down pat. :)
 
Also... the Lord has a sense of sarcastic humor... I hope. :)
 
FP >> Based on the Taylor prophesies...
 
You and few others have mentioned Taylor.  Ever the skeptic... a solid victory in this election could turn me from my doubting Thomas ways.
 
FP >> ... it will be very easy to check in a week whether Mark is or isn't.
 
True dat.
 
FP >> ... "when you see these things happening..." Look up.  Right?
 
True dat too.
Rick W. Added Oct 31, 2018 - 12:20pm
Coming from the other side of the fence, Megyn Kelly going from Fox to NBC was like Juan Williams going from NPR to Fox. I didn't follow Juan to Fox, why on earth would they expect others to follow Megyn to NBC?
 
In her defense, her career at Fox was over the instant she called out Bill O'Reilly for lying about the sexual harassment complaints against him by other Fox staffers. (He said there were none, there were six, and Megyn's was one of them.) That was the line you cannot cross at Fox -- criticizing the men who generate the revenue. Going left was her only career option in television, at that point. (She could go practice law, though. She has a JD.)
 
As for her blackface comment, and the comparison to other blackface events on NBC, I agree... it's become this weird zero-tolerance (but only sometimes) thing, on the left. 
 
Yes, blackface on Halloween has a unique history in America, and it's all bad, and for someone like Megyn who's so exposed to social media, she should've known better. Dumb move. But... I think we need to separate entertainers (Megyn talking on a morning show, Robert Downey Jr in blackface on Tropic Thunder) and people who truly mean black people harm (white supremacists like Richard Spencer and racist trolls like Milo). Mixing them together weakens the whole debate. It's not all the same, and it shouldn't all be career-ending, or worse -- selectively career ending.
 
 
TexasLynn Added Oct 31, 2018 - 12:48pm
RW >> I didn't follow Juan to Fox...
 
You are exactly right.  What was going to happen was easy for people like you and me to see... BUT people who are actually paid millions of dollars to know these things... didn't know.
 
I will note that Juan Williams is accepted at Fox.  Sure, he's a voice of the left, but I appreciate having such a voice in the news/commentary I consume.  Nobody at Fox is trying to invent some excuse to fire Juan and ruin his career.  Yet that is EXACTLY what the left (audience and bosses) did at NBC to Kelly
 
These examples show a key difference between the left and right and who is really... "tolerant".
 
I remember when Juan Williams was fired by NPR and that day appeared on Bill O'Reiley.  Juan thought the world had come to an end and Bill O'Reiley was laughing.  I remember him telling Juan, "Juan!  This is the best thing that has ever happened to you!"  O'Reiley saw it then and there...
 
RW >>  In her defense, her career at Fox was over the instant she called out Bill O'Reilly for lying about the sexual harassment...
 
I don't know the environment that well and can't say.  I don't even know the truth about everything that happened.  Whatever the truth, it was enough for the execs at Fox to cut their main money maker loose.  But, then those who replaced him are doing dam well on their own; proving Fox isn't just about one man/talent.
 
RW >> Yes, blackface on Halloween has a unique history in America, and it's all bad...
 
I agree, and you even have a point to look at each situation on its own merits (talk vs comedy vs intent).  But you should also admit that a non-liberal will NEVER be given any of that consideration of merit... while a liberal will be given that and more.  (see Hillary Clinton recently… they all look alike)
 
Jimmy Kimmel's intent was to depict Carl Malone as a stupid black man.  THAT was his intent.
 
Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee are literally two of the stupidest people to ever breathe air.  Could anyone ever make the same point in the same manner?
 
RW >> It's not all the same, and it shouldn't all be career-ending, or worse -- selectively career ending.
 
It shouldn't be... I like our (conservatives) track record on tolerance than that of the left.  As with a lot of left/right issues, it gets back to substance over appearance.
 
Good comment... thanks.
FacePalm Added Oct 31, 2018 - 1:14pm
Tex-
LOL at the "i've got that down pat" in re: humility.
 
Benjamin Franklin somewhat famously said, "I gave up on humility when i realized i could never make the following statement truthfully:  'At last, now i am truly humble.'"
 
It's a process.  Some of us learn, some of us reject learning as dangerous to our paradigms.
Dino Manalis Added Oct 31, 2018 - 7:13pm
 Kelly saw what happened to Roseanne, she should have been more careful.  That's too bad!
Kristen Foley Added Nov 1, 2018 - 12:35pm
I’m one Fox viewer that was followed Megyn Kelly to NBC and I suspect there were many more.  The problem is that rather do hard news in the evening hours, her show was for housewives.  It was a terrible match of her skills to the type of audience likely to be viewing when she was on.  I’d be interested to know the legalities of the contract she signed.  Blackface or not, why shouldn’t NBC be able to fire her?  Or does the blackface controversy matter?
FacePalm Added Nov 1, 2018 - 1:57pm
It might matter to The Liar:
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/no5759d384.jpg
 
That said, i believe your analysis is correct; Kelly was used to doing hard-hitting investigatory work/interviews of powerful people, not pandering to housewives.  But she had to obey her new masters, because they paid well and disliked the general Fox philosophy quite intensely.
 
As to her contract, i think a lot of people would be interested in the details, including me. As she's an attorney AND had at least one other attorney drafting the doc, i'd wager it's as ironclad as it could be made.
TexasLynn Added Nov 1, 2018 - 2:27pm
Kristen Foley >> I’m one Fox viewer that was followed Megyn Kelly to NBC and I suspect there were many more.
 
Now... THAT I find interesting; giving you a perspective and insight few of us have.
 
I have no idea of how you would find the numbers, but my guess is not 1 in 10 (Fox viewers) did as you did.  One thing is for sure, NBC was not impressed with the numbers... thus her shuffling all over the place.
 
Kristen Foley >> The problem is that rather do hard news in the evening hours, her show was for housewives.
 
Now, didn't they start her off with "hard news" in the evening and only move her to the morning stuff when she didn't generate an audience?  I could be wrong on that recollection...  I’m pretty sure they definitely tried the “hard news” first.
 
Kristen Foley >> It was a terrible match of her skills to the type of audience likely to be viewing when she was on.
 
On this we agree.  Her style was more... substantive.
 
Kristen Foley >> I’d be interested to know the legalities of the contract she signed.
 
Me too, but that isn't likely.  In fact, any settlement is also likely to include a non-disclosure agreement.
 
My only information is from 3rd parties who might be in a position to know; so you have to take that into consideration.
 
Already the negotiations are "fractious".  That is what I want.  NBC (IMO) is biased, and disingenuous in it's product (the news).  I want such dishonest people exposed as much as possible and as much as this process will do that... I'm happy.
 
Kristen Foley >> Blackface or not, why shouldn’t NBC be able to fire her? 
 
As a proponent of the right to work (which goes both ways)... they have every right... within the contract.
 
If there were no contract, then all bets are off.  Employment at will from both parties applies.  She can quit for any reason at any time.  They can fire her for (almost) any reason (withing employment law) at any time.
 
BUT... that's not what we have here.  There is the matter of the signatures on a legal agreement.  Signatures that bind and have consequences.
 
IMO, it's all about the rule of law... contract law.  If NBC agreed to pay her $69M and the contract stipulated she could be fired at any time for any reason... they're golden.  If the contract said something else (which is more likely) both sides need to live up to what they agreed to (or work out a deal).  Failing that, there's another solution... court.  It's how the system was intended to work.
 
It is my suspicion and contention that NBC is likely on the losing end of that contract; and would be on the losing end of a court battle (from a payout standpoint and a PR standpoint).
 
Kristen Foley >> Or does the blackface controversy matter?
 
It only matters in the context of being the chosen excuse.  The context of it being racist is manufactured bull$#@%.
 
So, I'm back to the law and the contract as I would be with any other employer vs fired employee.  If NBC really things this was a valid reason (not manufactured) and MK is being unreasonable in not just walking away... I would encourage them to take this to a jury. :)
 
Anyone who thinks NBC believes that... well... I've got a great deal on a bridge I'd love to sell them.
 
Thanks, Kristen, for the unique perspective and comment... and the opportunity to expand on my opinion.
TexasLynn Added Nov 1, 2018 - 2:52pm
FacePalm >> It might matter to The Liar:
 
Here's the skeptic again... I really doubt that photo is legit.
 
Now, Clinton joking (about a week ago) that blacks "all look alike" is legit.
 
The response from the left has been... [crickets].  But what did we expect?
TexasLynn Added Nov 1, 2018 - 8:04pm
Sorry Michka ... your last comment does not meet my standard of decency.  Feel free to try again.  I'll try to give you as much leeway as possible... but there is a line.  Unlike some, I have no problem deleting obscene troll comments.
Maureen Foster Added Nov 2, 2018 - 9:35am
“Nobody at Fox is trying to invent some excuse to fire Juan and ruin his career.  Yet that is EXACTLY what the left (audience and bosses) did at NBC to Kelly.”
 
That’s not EXACTLY what NBC did to Kelly.  Her show was circling the drain.  For that reason alone, it would have made sense to fire her.  The blackface comment was simply the straw.  And let’s make no mistake about the winners and losers. Kelly won big time.  In no time you’ll see her on Fox News making millions and with millions of NBC’s money in her bank account. 
TexasLynn Added Nov 2, 2018 - 11:41am
Maureen Foster >> That’s not EXACTLY what NBC did to Kelly. 
 
You do have some valid points here.  For one, Juan Williams was not paid as much (exorbitantly) AND was not put in a position where he alone was expected to pull in a large audience.  I would suspect he was not expected to pull many (if any) audience from NPR (who had fired him).
 
The purpose of hiring Williams was simply to provide a "balance" to the conservative voices at Fox.  In that regard he has delivered what he hired to deliver.
 
MK was hired to deliver a big audience.  That's it.  And she couldn't do it.
 
Maureen Foster >> Her show was circling the drain.
 
Exactly the point of the post.  Had that not happened, nothing would have been said about her recent comments.  Another point was that it could have been easily predicted that her show was going to meet such a drain circling fate because...
1) The Fox viewers were never going to follow her
2) The NBC viewers were never going to accept her
 
Maureen Foster >> For that reason alone, it would have made sense to fire her.
 
Agreed.  BUT... it would have made more sense to realize that her show was never going to produce a profit and not to go through the debacle in the first place.  It also would have made more sense to realize that and make provisions for it in the contract.  Neither happened.
 
Now I'm saying this for the NBC executives.  It would only apply to Kelly if she cared more about her future career than the massive payday.  I don't know her motivations in that regard.
 
Maureen Foster >> The blackface comment was simply the straw. 
 
Here we only slightly disagree.  It may have been the straw chosen, but had it not been this straw another would soon have presented itself and sufficed.
 
The decision to "cut bait" and fire MK was made some time ago.  The execs then said to themselves "Now that the decision has been made, as soon as a sufficient straw presents itself, we'll pull the trigger on this."
 
Maureen Foster >> And let’s make no mistake about the winners and losers.
 
I don't think I'm doing that.  In fact, I think I'm reveling in how it all turned out.
 
NBC: Losers all the way around.  No big audience, millions wasted, PR nightmare, more credibility issues, dirty laundry aired if this drags out... of course I consider NBC losing a big win for truth. :)
 
Megyn Kelly: She's the big question mark in my mind?  She's definitely the big winner in terms of stacks of cash at the expense of NBC (as you stated).  If that was her goal all along (playing them for chumps) then she's the champ.  If she expected they cash and the continued career... then she likely lost the latter due to her miscalculations.
 
Her future career (as a journalist) is a big question mark.  Fox is the only place she can land now, and I think that's questionable if they'll have her.  I'd put the odds at 50/50 at best not knowing if that bridge is complexly burned.  If they won't have her, she'll have to move on to something else "with stacks and stacks of NBC's money in her bank account." :) I can think of worse situations to find yourself in. :)
 
Thanks for the comment… I don’t think we’re too far different in our opinions.
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Nov 2, 2018 - 12:54pm
Lets just call a spade a spade. This woman is, always has been and likely always will be a huge ego with good hair, legs and a nice set of cans. Maybe she has some smarts to go with that too, but that is not what she trades in. If you wanna succeed in a whore's market your best bet is always to behave like the biggest whore. She'll land on her feet somewhere
TexasLynn Added Nov 2, 2018 - 2:11pm
TBH, good to hear from you.  Your description of MK is spot on.
 
And let's face it.  The Media (and particularly Fox) does not often put on the air women that don't fit that description.  Many of them are very smart, but these other assets seem to be a more common factor in screen time.
 
I hope this post doesn't come across as feeling sorry for Megyn Kelly.  That could not be further from the truth.  I'll never feel sorry for someone who legally and shrewdly screwed an MSM (Main Stream Media) giant out of tens of millions of dollars.  She may have done it by accident, but I hope that was her intent all along. :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Nov 2, 2018 - 2:49pm
As a Buckeye by birth I feel much the same way whenever the U of M loses :)
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 2, 2018 - 3:55pm
I agree with Maureen that it made sense business-wise anyway. I just find that this straw is sending another chill down people's spines. Now, it is seen as established that endorsing blackfacing is worth firing a person. It will hit the little guy.
Eric Reports Added Nov 3, 2018 - 4:16pm
That's what happens when you burn your bridges behind you.  I have little sympathy.  She has enough $ to live a thousand lifetimes.
Susitna Added Nov 3, 2018 - 4:17pm
Hi Texas: I was watching again Election Night 2016. I will never forget Bret Baier calling out Trump's win because nobody else dared to finally do so. I could hear him announcing Trump's election again and again. I will also never forget the almost petrified face of MK sitting to the right of Baier in a black dress and today I know what she was thinking. She was hoping all night long for Trump to lose and she becoming the star at NBC and it didn't happen. 
TexasLynn Added Nov 3, 2018 - 5:02pm
Susitna >> I was watching again Election Night 2016... Bret Baier calling [it]... petrified face of MK...
 
Interesting recollection.  I didn't see it.  I was so disgusted and so sure Hillary had it in the bag I was determined to not watch any coverage.  No TV, I avoided the internet.  I was just going to read about it the next morning.
 
After a buddy texted me for the fourth or fifth time... I finally read the text messages that Trump had won.
 
I then... watched the main stream media the rest of the evening and the blooming of the Trump Derangement that swept the left wing in this nation.  It was kinda entertaining that one night; two years later, much less so.