Why do they mess about with time?

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Finally, on Sunday Night, after six months of involuntary appropriation, the government has acquiesced and given me back the hour they stole from me back in March!



I get no interest on it!


I want to know what they did with my time! There's not even a thank you. 

Last March they stole an hour off sixty million people in Britain!!  That is sixty million hours they had stored somewhere! Just think of that!


Where did they store sixty million hours?


Did they take it to Times Square I wonder?


Did they squander it all on Brexit?


I don't know! All I know is that I resent it!


Then suddenly, a two a.m. on Sunday, they sent somebody round to give it back. Did you see them? Well I certainly didn't! Talk about government intrusion! No wonder the right-wingers are all up in arms about government interference!


Anyway - they displaced my day!


My biological clock says one thing and the rest of the clocks say a mixture of things!


I don't know where the hell I am!


Some clocks update automatically and some don't. Some are easy to update and some seem to require either a rocket scientist or a toddler.


Last time I was driving around for three months with the car clock an hour out. I kept having to do mental arithmetic in order to find what time it really was.


Is that why the government keep doing it? It's an attempt to improve mental arithmetic so that we can move up the international tables and stave off Alzheimer's at the same time! Win Win!!


Except it isn't, is it? It's a pain in the backside! I'll spend the next month in confusion, wondering if whatever clock I'm looking at is telling the real time or not, has it been updated? My biological clock will need to adapt and I'll spend hours checking out instructions on how to update every clock in the place!


Some won't be right until next March I bet!


What a waste of time! It'll take me a lot longer than the hour they gave me back!


There should be a law on time! 


Why didn't they just leave it to Stephen Hawking???


opher goodwin Added Oct 30, 2018 - 9:47am
British Summer Time - it's a Russian conspiracy! Or is it Jewish? Or could it be a Muslim conspiracy? Or even a WASP conspiracy?
Neoplatonist Christian Added Oct 30, 2018 - 10:00am
Even with an automatic updating clock you will find that it will divert to the nearest but incorrect time zone. Therefore technology is still working against you.
opher goodwin Added Oct 30, 2018 - 11:17am
Neo - the whole world is conspiring against me!
Bill H. Added Oct 30, 2018 - 11:36am
Here in the US, it is called Daylight Savings Time.
opher goodwin Added Oct 30, 2018 - 12:00pm
Bill - it's called British Summer Time here. It drives me mad!
Stone-Eater Added Oct 30, 2018 - 4:13pm
Oh come on Oph !
Nobody can be as sensitive to get health problems because of ONE hour. Or these people never fly anywhere. I don't notice anything of that. Just correct my watch.
opher goodwin Added Oct 30, 2018 - 4:25pm
Too many clocks Stone! I'm a sensitive guy!
Neil Lock Added Oct 30, 2018 - 6:02pm
Opher: Don't you remember Heath's "British Standard Time," in the early 1970s, where the whole of the UK was on "summer time?" I loved it at the time, because I was a student at Cambridge; I could get up at ten minutes before nine o'clock, and still make it to my nine o'clock lecture. But the farmers and the Scots (rightly, I think) nixed it.
I also once suffered a case of "bicycle-lag," going from Colorado where they had daylight saving time to Arizona where they didn't. Even worse was Dale, Indiana, where I found two motels on opposite sides of an interstate, in different time zones!
In Einstein's special relativity, each individual carries a personal clock. I like that.
Oh, and when is the Broken Clock going to chime in on this thread?
opher goodwin Added Oct 30, 2018 - 7:21pm
Neil - I love Summer Time - I think we should have it all year round! Especially if it was to bring Summer weather like this Summer - eight weeks ago I was in shorts! Now it's on time that is short.
Messing about with clocks is daft to me. It doesn't invent any more daylight.
Wow - that sounds crazy living across time zones. How did you cope? Did you manage to wangle two dinner breaks, a late start and an early finish? I can see the possibilities! Mightn't be too bad at all!
Maybe the clock will chime! We'll see! At least it will still be right twice a day whichever type of time (could even be right three times on one day).
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 30, 2018 - 8:31pm
Wait wait wait, Mr. Government is so good we need a one world government to control everything is now resentful of government intrusion?
Say it isn't so!!!!!!
Remember how you feel right now when those who rightly resent being burdened by your OWG agenda speak out about it. 
Katharine Otto Added Oct 30, 2018 - 10:49pm
I sing this song every six months, when I have to re-set eight clocks, but does anybody listen or care?  My roosters don't care what Congress does.  They go by sun time, no matter what the clocks say.  Why can't people be as smart as roosters?  
It's the Brits' fault.  You're the ones with Greenwich Mean Time, from which all time begins and ends.  I guess when they divided up the cookies, the French got weights and measures a la Systeme Internationale (metric) and the Brits got time.  
Now the US is the only country in the world that still uses the British system of weights and measures, an antiquated policy that has caused the explosion of at least one space vehicle.  Once we get rid of Daylight Savings Time, I'm ready to convert officially to the metric system, so we can join the rest of the world in the weights and measures department.
And Jeffrey Gilbert:  I have an idea!  Lets have a one-world time, along with the one world government.  We can make time the same everywhere in the world.  
Does anybody know what time it is?  The time is now.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 31, 2018 - 2:57am
Lets have a one-world time, along with the one world government. 
One hemisphere is going to be paying a lot of overtime. :) 
Flying Junior Added Oct 31, 2018 - 3:42am
I do not know from whence it came, but I know that the California proposition to defeat it will likely go down in flames.  Where we live permanent daylight savings time just doesn't work.  Not that kids actually walk to school anymore, but that's the main reason that this will never come to pass.  If kids had to start for school on the winter solstice at 7:00 a.m. that would only be ten or fifteen minutes after the sunrise.
The real reason that we keep PDT is fairly obvious.  Most people work until 4:30 p.m. or even later.  It's nice to have a little daylight when you get home.  It's like a pagan religion.  We fear the coming of standard time as the death of the sun.  We eagerly look forward to the lengthening of the days until that one glorious day in March when we lose one hour of sleep.  Then it's heaven on Earth for the next seven months.
Personally, I couldn't care less about the extra hour of sleep Saturday night.  I'm sad about early sunsets.
Neil Lock Added Oct 31, 2018 - 4:25am
Katharine: We already have a one-world time. It's called UTC (co-ordinated universal time), and I've heard it was invented by the French. It's a big deal in the airline industry.
Flying Junior: I totally agree about the end of the working day. I hate driving home in the dark...
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 4:47am
Oh Jeffry - you really don't get it do you?
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 4:50am
Katharine - yes the metric system makes sense rather than the antiquated and daft set of measures we still use.
We could also redo time on a metric system too! What's all this daft stuff as 60 seconds and minutes and 24 hours? How daft is that?
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 4:54am
FJ - Surely it is dead easy for schools to start an hour later rather than have the whole country messed about. Same goes for different firms. They could start and leave when they like.
This messing about with biological clocks is unnecessary.
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 4:55am
Neil - I would have liked to go to work in the light and come home in the light. A four hour working day would have been ideal.
Perhaps A/I will enable that to happen?
Lindsay Wheeler Added Oct 31, 2018 - 6:00am
As an agricultural worker in America, I need daylight savings time because I would like to get to work at 8. If there there was no daylight savings time, I would not be able to work until 9 am and get off at 6pm. My time is not wasted waiting for the sun to come up. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 6:08am
Have a lie in Lindsay!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 31, 2018 - 8:35am
you really don't get it do you?
Never have gotten fuck sticks like you. Never will despite repeated efforts. 
Dino Manalis Added Oct 31, 2018 - 8:48am
 Time is precious and shouldn't be wasted, because it never comes back, it's gone for good!
Ward Tipton Added Oct 31, 2018 - 8:53am
One of the many things I do love about the Philippines. Here, if you want an extra hour of sunlight, you get your own arse out of bed an hour earlier. 
I suppose it works best for most people, but my wife is generally up and working by four anyhow ... well before the sun ever thinks about rising. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 12:17pm
Jeffry - No -you never will. You're not capable.
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 12:17pm
Dino - or is it all contained in a moment?
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 12:18pm
Ward - sounds good to me!
Katharine Otto Added Oct 31, 2018 - 2:21pm
I guess Florida has moved to year-round DST, while Arizona has year-round standard time.  I would be fine with year-round anytime if I didn't have to re-set clocks every six months.  My biological clock would adjust.
Jeffry.  Lots of overtime, yes.  Maybe it would make the less desirable jobs more attractive.  Sorry for misspelling your name above.
A decimal-based day?  I've never thought of that.  The current system probably has something to do with the number of degrees in a circle, and the 365 1/4-day year.  That would be hard to change mathematically, unless we can program AI to do it.
George N Romey Added Oct 31, 2018 - 2:28pm
I believe it originated during WW2.  Some states never adopted DLS but were forced to later (some Indian lands have been allowed to remain with EST only).  Over the years its been expanded by RR and W.  For states that are on the very eastern tip of a time zone the mornings can be very dark to nearly 8AM.  It was also temporary expanded in 1974 to save energy in the totally bullshit "energy crisis" faked by the oil industry.
Supposedly DLS uses less electricity but there's not one shred of empirical proof it does.  Just politicians promising ponies. 
If we get world government we're all be back to working 12 hour days again (sun up to sun down) so ultimately it wouldn't matter. 
Tubularsock Added Oct 31, 2018 - 4:35pm
opher, funny you ask about where those hours go.
You see Tubularsock has a box and just stacks the hours by country.
Don’t be too concerned. Each hour is cataloged and placed under the name of the citizen that it belongs to.
Oh sure there is a tax on the time and you’ll receive your time tax bill soon but it is for the good of the empire!
If you don’t pay the time tax then you’ll receive your time saved returned in 15 minute intervals over a period of timeless time determined by the time-tax-board.
If you watch your watch watching the time you’ll see that time does not stand still and the hands of time may not be hands but Digital referencing numbers that make watching your watch less appealing.
Thank you for your time and just remember you are already late.
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 7:39pm
Katharine - my biological clock doesn't like being messed with either. It's plain daft.
Do you think a decimal day will catch on?
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 7:40pm
George - I think that with A/I we'll be lucky to be working at all!
opher goodwin Added Oct 31, 2018 - 7:42pm
We had a meeting to decide what to do - the interest is in the post Tub. I've minuted the meeting and my wife seconded it. It took hours!
Tubularsock Added Oct 31, 2018 - 8:09pm
Well opher, that settles THAT!
Katharine Otto Added Oct 31, 2018 - 9:26pm
We'll be time travelling next.  I hope it's not too taxing.
Ward Tipton Added Oct 31, 2018 - 9:38pm
The problem stems from the fact that there are not twenty-four hours in a day, but twenty-four hours and six seconds. A six second adjustment seems much easier to deal with, but none of that is relevant to the changing of the clocks when all people need to do is get their butts out of bed an hour earlier or later ... no need to mess with the entire population for that. Seriously, how much are the casinos impacted by the lack of an additional hour of sunlight? The same can be said for far too many industries ... far more than those that are adversely or detrimentally impacted. 
Ward Tipton Added Oct 31, 2018 - 9:55pm
But if we travel through time, the most likely scenario seems to be the empty room theory ... the "living" carbon cells in the life forms of the time having moved on into other function and space. The only ones being present, would be the carbon basis of whatever inanimate objects there at the time. 
Then there is the issue of the paradox ... if it has already happened in the past however, is it really a paradox or just the way things were? Then accounting also for the actual and physical motion of the planets and their relative positions, would we land back on our own planet or just be dropped in space by chance? 
Since time is also not a constant, in accordance with the theories of Einstein and Hawkings, would we actually be able to return to the same time frame? Would we get back to the time we had selected or some variant thereof based on the fluctuations in time? 
Somehow, considering all of that, an extra hour of sleep does suddenly seem like a good idea. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 4:19am
Katharine - I've got a time machine already! The only problem is that it only goes in one direction and travels at exactly sixty seconds a minute! All I need is a reverse gear and accelerator!
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 4:20am
Ward - I thoroughly agree!
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 4:23am
Ward - those are all very interesting things to consider with time travel!
I'm all for an extra hour's sleep! Could we do that every single day?
Ward Tipton Added Nov 1, 2018 - 7:02am
I generally do sleep an extra hour every day ... the only problem is that I have to stay awake an extra hour every night to find it :(
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 7:08am
Ward - there's the rub!
Ward Tipton Added Nov 1, 2018 - 7:23am
Hahahahahahaha there is always a catch somewhere. Such is life no?
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 7:33am
LOL - Ward - nothing's for free! You usually pay twice!!
Leroy Added Nov 1, 2018 - 7:54am
No doubt it was some confounded progressive who started it. ;)  They're always taking to take something away from us for our own good.  No interest?  Damn commie.
Ward Tipton Added Nov 1, 2018 - 8:32am
Ben Franklin started that madness in the US
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 9:03am
LOL Leroy - Yes Ben Franklin was a commie! You'd think he'd have given everyone a credit note for a few seconds!
Maybe that's really what the leap years are all about and they do pay interest? Every four years they give us an extra day! So Ben Franklin was really a capitalist!
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 9:04am
Ward - I suggest Ben Franklin should be immediately struck from the books! He's second rate!
Leroy Added Nov 1, 2018 - 6:35pm
"Ben Franklin started that madness in the US"
No.  That is not true.  He did write a paper on it and published it in a French journal as a way of saving candles, but he had nothing to do with passing the legislation.  It was some progressive Brit that knew what was best for the rest of us.
opher goodwin Added Nov 1, 2018 - 7:37pm
Leroy - whoever it was they were a fool!
Leroy Added Nov 1, 2018 - 8:15pm
Absolutely nuts!  Good article.
Morgoth Added Nov 1, 2018 - 9:04pm
I hate it as well.  The problem is my phone doesn’t auto-update so I spend all Sunday morning trying to figure out what time it is, where I am and what my name is.
Oh, wait.  That started about the same time I had my first child.
James Travil Added Nov 1, 2018 - 11:07pm
Ward casinos never have clocks or windows, so as to put forth the illusion that time stands still within and you can go on gambling forever (or until you have crapped out broke).
What bothers me is in the states it's called "Daylight Savings Time" even though you LOSE a damn hour! Plus why would you need to save daylight in the summer when there is already more of it? Pure madness! I do enjoy getting home when it is dark, I love the night and would love to do everything in the night time. That's why I love this time of year when the nights grow longer and the oppressive days shorter.
Jeffrey you must have a ten year old phone if it doesn't update automatically. My old Sidekick phone even did that back in 2005!
Mircea Negres Added Nov 2, 2018 - 1:04am
We had this in Romania when I was a child. It sucked when time went forward by one hour because I had to get up earlier and was very nice when it went backwards, because then I could sleep more... I found out at school back in 1992 that there's no such thing in South Africa and to avoid bothering family keep on my cell phone a world clock with some selected cities.
opher goodwin Added Nov 2, 2018 - 4:06am
Cheers Leroy.
opher goodwin Added Nov 2, 2018 - 4:08am
LOL Jeffrey - yes children and time - they do turn your world upside down.
I've still got clocks that have the wrong time and I can never remember how to do the one in the car!
opher goodwin Added Nov 2, 2018 - 4:10am
James - I'm more of a Summer person. I like it hot, sunny and light. I do not like the cold, damp and short days of winter.
opher goodwin Added Nov 2, 2018 - 4:12am
Mircea - getting up an hour earlier used to kill me too! It seems so unnecessary. Why mess about with peoples' clocks?
John Minehan Added Nov 2, 2018 - 3:49pm
"O'Hara: Time. Time. What is time? Swiss manufacture it. French hoard it. Italians squander it. Americans say it is money. Hindus say it does not exist. Do you know what I say? I say time is a crook."  Beat the Devil (1953).
opher goodwin Added Nov 2, 2018 - 5:41pm
John - nice.
Ward Tipton Added Nov 2, 2018 - 10:02pm
My first dictionary had some twenty-four different and unique definitions for time if I remember correctly. It was a 1904 Unabridged Oxford Dictionary I got when I was about five perhaps. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 3, 2018 - 7:44pm
Ward - One for each hour!