2018 Midterm Election conversation and results - Open Thread!

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I thought I would try something different here with this.  Unless Autumn doesn't prefer this kind of a format on the site, and she can certainly cancel this if she would rather not something go in this direction.

 

There is certainly unprecedented interest in the 2018 midterm elections this year, and even for our international friends here, who seem quite engaged as if they had some skin in the game, too.

 

This election really isn't a democrat vs. republican race.  It is truly about who we are.  Do we want to be a constitutional republic and individual liberty, or do we want to be a European style socialist country.

 

November 6 truly could be the most important U.S. election in our lifetime (said every midterm, I know, but this one is potentially truly consequential that could determine the soul and direction of America for the foreseeable future.

 

I thought I would create this thread for people to free form comments throughout the next 24-48 hours to discuss the ramifications of the midterms, close races as they are called and what that might mean moving forward, and follow the elections, and maybe people in the community with enough interest will gather to chatter as the results come in and we see what the next 2 years may shape up to be.

 

My only ground rule will be - kept it civil.  No personal attacks on people you disagree with , and I will leave all posts -  even Mr. Mischka's, if he chooses to contribute without personal attacks.

 

Feel free to hop in and contribute, or just check news as there are a number of significant key races from DeSantis and Gillum as Gov of Florida to Nelson and Scott for Senator of Florida to Ga Governor, possible upset in NJ senate race as Mendez is fighting for his life after ethics violations, to numerous house races and it gets more interesting as we go west and more polls close.

 

Let me know what you think about this?  I haven't seen anyone do anything like this here before, and don't know if people want to actively be checking in to site to see and discuss results in real time, or if this isn't really something people here really want to engage in.

 

An interesting experiment to see if people are interested/curious enough to want to participate.

Comments

Ken Added Nov 5, 2018 - 10:15pm
James Travil Added Nov 5, 2018 - 10:18pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't ALL article threads technically open threads? Anyhow I gave it a like so it will stay current. I'm curious about what people are going to say. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 5, 2018 - 10:27pm
Self interest in on the side of Trump, not the GOP necessarily.  Money to have a better live is a primary self interest.  Safety is a second self interest.   As Trump showed in 2016 border security and removing illegal immigrants especially those that are criminal achieves both self interests.  That has a lot to do with him winning the GOP nomination and then the White House.   
 
In this midterm if he as gotten across the message that if you want him to continue delivering on the campaign promises of more money in peoples pockets or more pockets having money  and more security  then you need to elect GOP candidates even when they are RINOs. 
 
I could hardly believe that the DIMMS, like a light bulb and have the required voltage would put out.  Have assisted in showing that they are not for money in peoples pockets and security.  
Ken Added Nov 5, 2018 - 10:32pm
Technically, they are, but I am casting a wide net without a specific them pushing in article, just folks open chatting that are watching election results and their thoughts as various results coming in - rather than an article to comment on and work around, thought an ongoing conversation as live events are coming in, which is a bit of a different style from most posts here.
 
Results will start coming in while I am still at work because I am in CA, but will be following them and lot of places I could view results and listen to things, just thought it would be interesting to see here how engaged folks are.  There has been a lot of hot political talk here lately, and a lot of articles on both sides of the idea, wondering how engaged folks actually are.  Unless something major happens at work to keep me away from results, I will probably basically be blowing off last couple of hours to watch results as they start coming in.
 
It is sooo close in many ways, I am hoping for 1 thing - people in pulls hate to admit they are for Trump, but vote in their best interest.  That could be the entire difference and show the polling couldn't capture real attitudes.
 
I am also curious to see what people are going to say, which is why I thought I would open a topic early so people were aware of it and see the comments, from citizens and foreigners as results come out.
Ken Added Nov 5, 2018 - 10:37pm
JT - Since autumn promoted it to #1 very quickly, usually takes a long time to get article traction, I suspect she may be curious about something like this as well and hopefully while there will be a lull until about 6 pm EST tomorrow time, it will stay visible as results start coming in and hope people engage in thoughts as the day goes on
Ken Added Nov 5, 2018 - 10:43pm
Self interest in on the side of Trump, not the GOP necessarily.
 
TS - I would disagree with you here.  This is a very unique election.  even RINO, this is a very unique time where we need to speak with one voice and proclaim who we are and who we will be.  As I noted, this isn't Republicans vs. democrats, this is American Values vs. socialist collectivism, and who do we want to be?
 
you need to elect GOP candidates even when they are RINOs. 
 
100% correct there, and I hate voting for RINOs, but I have been in some elections I thought were critical (didn't think 2016 was even reasonable, was wrong and shocked), 2010/2012/1980, but I think this is likely to be most important election in our lifetime and determine who America will be moving forward.  It could be the death knell for the founder vision of America or we could reject the fabian socialist progressives.
 
It is all about turnout now
Jim Stoner Added Nov 5, 2018 - 11:22pm
Ken,   I would definitely say that nominating Hillary Clinton was a mistake, though Bernie might have been one, too.   Trump got away with way too much in the campaign, and Hillary's campaign succeeded quite admirably in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.   
All of which is simply to say that Trump is an accidental President, and 2018 is one opportunity for the American electorate to show they understand that--that a mistake was made, and it is not too late to begin to correct for it.  If they fail to do so, but not miserably so, they may have one more chance in 2020.
My #1 issue (see my recent reprint) is electoral reform; whatever this outcome, this election will prove (once again) that our process is horribly corrupted by money, much of it dirty, and a clunky set of procedures that allow for abuse.   We will never become more effective in solving our problems, many of which we share with many other societies, until we begin to solve the problem of the Cost of Bad Quality in our electoral processes. 
James Travil Added Nov 5, 2018 - 11:25pm
As a moderate independent centrist I don't have much of a dog in the race, as they say. There are a couple races for governor that I'm following because of the fact they effect people I care about who will be affected by the outcomes. Overall I'm fairly disgusted with the Republicans and democrats equally (but for different reasons which I'll spare you from) but it should be interesting to see how the losers, whoever they end up being, frame the reasons why. And if I hear more fake ass "Russian Election tampering" nonsense from the democrats I'm going to puke. 
Jim Stoner Added Nov 5, 2018 - 11:25pm
One thing I didn't mention above:  By the time Trump emerged as the likely nominee and not just an absurd joke upon the idea of democracy, the Democrats were down to Hillary and Bernie; there were no other alternatives.
  The puzzle of the right challenger to his flavor of insanity has not been solved yet, but the Democrats will have plenty of time to consider and make a good decision about that.   I've already posted my going-in opinion about that. 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 1:46am
whatever this outcome, this election will prove (once again) that our process is horribly corrupted by money, much of it dirty, and a clunky set of procedures that allow for abuse.
 
So whatever the result it is all money, huh?  If democrats take house it is money....if republicans keep house, it is money....population has nothing to do with it?
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 1:51am
I've already posted my going-in opinion about that. 
 
lol i must have missed that or would have blown it up.  Absolutely astounding how crazy the left is.  It is funny how so many here have projected me as a Trump fanatic, when all I have done is been observing the right and left and seen who has benefited america last 2 years and who has done nothing but sow hate
 
 
FacePalm Added Nov 6, 2018 - 2:36am
Ken-
i've not been shy about posting my opinion of who's going to win the majority of the races today.
 
i have an article i'll post about midnight, if the results go as expected.
 
One thing i will note is that on-the-street interviews consistently showed a LOT of people who've NEVER voted who said they were GOING to register and vote this time - and not for any democrats.
 
i completely agree about the growing insanity and violence of the left, too.  i expect that had several of the democrats posting here been able to punch me through my display, i'd be sporting at least a couple of contusions by now. 
 
i've also not been shy about stating repeatedly that unless and until the left completely repudiates political violence, publicly and privately - and often, every single day if need be, and pushes for arrests of the violence-prone, as well as criminal investigations of who's paying them, the democratic socialists are committing political suicide...and i'll gladly hand them the rope unless they change course swiftly.
 
A political platform consisting of "Hate Trump and Hate America" won't play in Peoria or anywhere else...not Pittsburgh, not Poukepsie, not Philly, not Pensacola, nowhere...though it may play perfectly in Peking...
Flying Junior Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:20am
In retrospect of course nominating Hillary was a mistake.  But she won fair and square.  Only Jay Lenno was a true Kingmaker!
 
However, as much as we despise the monster, Trump is not the real danger.  As disgusting yet powerful as he is, in a sense he is little more than a figurehead.  Make no mistake, he is more.  Anyone that crazy and narcissistic in a position of authority will take on the characteristics of a dictator.  He has consolidated power with a knack.
 
But in all truth, it is the republican party that is the true menace.  You have to admit ours has degraded into a rather insane political system since Newt Gingrich poisoned the well in his jealous rage against William Jefferson Clinton.  Since that time obstructionism has been the order of the day.  Perhaps Clinton was the last democrat ever to receive any cooperation whatsoever from a republican congress.  But the whole mess in Washington seems to have been reduced to one simple equation that just doesn't work.  The presidency + control of both houses = Carte Blanche to do as much damage as legislatively possible.
 
I have said before that Obamacare was carefully crafted to include some republican sympathy.  But that generally falls on deaf ears here.  It's a rotten formula.  On the bright side, if dems do take the House, this should thwart any further damaging legislation from the extreme right-wing party.  Perhaps Trump will grow into the position that history has thrust upon him and rise above all of this.  Let's see him do it.  If nothing else, he has been transformational.  This may be our only hope, because we really don't have more than two years to get out of this mess.  Some damage is permanent.
 
That last was just performance art.  Heh heh heh heh.
 
We vote in the neighborhood.  Electioneering within 200 feet of a polling place is illegal in California so I guess I can't wear my Black Lives Matter T-shirt.  Rich white people like me have lived in the same house for over twenty years.  We don't need no stinkin' I.D.  Poll workers just cross off our names on a list and everybody knows us anyway.  BTW, we fill in little boxes on a big-ass optical ballot with a big fat felt-tip pen.  No confusion.  No electronic voting machine bullshit.  The ballots are read by optical scanner just like the SATs.



Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:30am
Great idea Ken! I was wondering if someone would get to organize something like this for tonight. I will be glued to the thread!
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:35am
To FacePalm: I am anxiously waiting for your article hoping that we can win the House and the Senate. I know that money is involved on both sides but I really don't care as per today. It is about fighting for the country and stopping the decadence and destruction during the Obama regime. It's better to still be able to use ballots instead of bullets!
The Burghal Hidage Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:39am
There has been much said about what is believed will occur should the dems retake the house.  I've heard virtually nothing from any democrats about what they think will happen should this occur. What's their plan? Do they have one? Everything is all about Trump....thats it, thats all theyve got? Thats why they lost the last time. When dems win big in national elections it is not because there is a huge upsurge in popular support across the country for their platform or policies. It is because in this ridiculous two-party paradigm when the opposition puts up a shitty candidate (which they almost always do) then more people just sit it out.  In every election there is always a great deal more potential voter turn out. Democrats are convinced that any latent ballots trend their way, but this is not true. Many who vote republican (as will be the case today) do so not to vote for  republicans, rather against democrats. Most who sit it out do so because they would prefer to vote for something.  For right or wrong this is what Trump has offered to the disaffected voter and these numbers will again prove to not be properly accounted for.  Until dems start shaking themselves out of their derangement and recognize this reality they will continue to remain the gelded jackasses that symbolize their party. 
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:45am
I don't believe that Trump is an "accidental President". To run for the presidency was always an option for him and for many years. On top of that, he was asked numerous times about running. He ran in the right moment and Americans saw their chance to turn this decadence around. There are interviews - 30 years old ones - where he is saying exactly the same about the economy and China etc. I can say, even more, Trump was more than ready and if not how could he improve the economy in less than 2 years? This is the main reason why they hate him. The communists have to stop the prosperity because too many Americans are tasting how good it feels. Make America Great Again! 
Troll Hunter Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:08am
Dear Ken:
 
You are a raving lunatic.
 
Signed,
 
Your therapist...
FacePalm Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:55am
...says the unhinged troll pretending to be someone he isn't...or is it a confession?  "the rapist"?
The Burghal Hidage Added Nov 6, 2018 - 8:24am
Ah yes, the Sean Connery Celebrity Jeopardy:  I'll take the rapist for a thousand, Alex!
 
that was a good one :)
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:23am
What if the Midterms are also about the "economy stupid".....?
 
To Burgdahl: The Dems are running on impeachment, open borders, higher taxes and mass abortions.
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 12:04pm
To Burgdahl: The Dems are running on impeachment, open borders, higher taxes and mass abortions.
 
And repealing medicare - Amazing how they think "midicare for all" will resonate amongst seniors who will all lose their medicare benefits, 280 million americans will lose work provided health insurance that they are happy with, etc.
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 12:12pm
To Ken: Did you just hear what Hillary just said when asked? She doesn't want to run anymore. She wants to be the President!!!!! So I believe she is heading towards becoming the House Speaker and from there get rid of Trump and Pence.........Can you remember we were talking about this issue a few days ago?
John Minehan Added Nov 6, 2018 - 12:14pm
When you think about it, it's really Schrödinger's ballot box . . . .  perhaps this year more than most.
The Burghal Hidage Added Nov 6, 2018 - 1:10pm
well said John :)
John Minehan Added Nov 6, 2018 - 1:21pm
Two things people have not talked much about are probably going to have an impact: 1) tariffs in MO and the Mid-West, which are going to help the Democrats; and 2) the fact that the hurricane last year displaced a lot of people from the USVI and Puerto Rico (many of whom wound up in Florida), which will help the Democrats. 
 
Well, good or bad people are apparently getting to the polls in large numbers. 
Dino Manalis Added Nov 6, 2018 - 1:43pm
 Democrats have the momentum, but they should show they can govern and work with the administration to make America better for all of us!
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 1:50pm
It isn't clear the tariffs will hurt in MO.  The farmers actually have support them knowing there would be short term pain for long term gain - or at least believing that.  McCaskill is going to lose by 4-5^.  She has been exposed for the fraud she  is last week and people are steamed with how she treated Kavanaugh.  Her vote tanked her.
 
As far as FL, USVI and PR displacement don't suddenly have voting rights in Florida.  They aren't permanent residents.  If FL elects a blatant extremist who wants to take away all the retiree medicare and wants to raise business taxes to 40%, we truly are lost as a nation.
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 1:54pm
since Newt Gingrich poisoned the well in his jealous rage against William Jefferson Clinton. 
 
Gingrich didn't poison the well.  BJ Clinton did that to himself.  He is a vile human being just like his wife and daughter.
Flying Junior Added Nov 6, 2018 - 2:40pm
TBH,
 
I was going to spell it out, but I thought that my little diatribe against the republican party as a whole instead of just blaming Trump implied it rather elegantly.
 
We democrats wish to thwart the republican agenda so that no further damage occurs.  This is our imperative.  I also suggested that if Trump and the republicans would care to remove their dumbkopfs from their heinies and actually work together to do some good with the democratic house that would be most welcome.  Dems are always up for the bipartisan thing.  It is a little bit tough negotiating with people as crazy as the republican congress, but we're ready to move forward.
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 3:06pm
To Flying Junior: Now that we all are calming down, I would greatly appreciate if you could explain me the Democrat's agenda and what damage has occurred so far under the Trump's administration. Thank you in advance. 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 3:11pm
We democrats wish to thwart the republican agenda so that no further damage occurs.
 
Exactly what "damage" would that be? The economy that is running better than it ever did under Obama?  Unemployment at record lows across most demographics?  5 MILLION less people on food stamps than Under Obama? Crime being down across the board?    Dropping more than it has since obama took office in 2008.  Murder down 2%, violent crime down 1% (latest FBI Statistics)
 
Dems are always up for the bipartisan thing. 
 
What planet do you live on?   Democrats are NEVER bipartisan unless it furthers their agenda.   It is their way or the highway.  As long as you compromise to fit their agenda and whatever you get doesn't reverse it at all, they are ok.  That isn't compromise, nor is it bipartisan.
 
people as crazy as the republican congress
 
The republican congress aren't the ones going around calling everybody racists and fascists - while at the same time hanging out with well known racists and facists like Louis Farrakan.  The republicans aren't the ones supporting groups like Antifa and Black Lies Matter.
John Howard Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:09pm
I don't vote and for a number of reasons, but the main one is that my observations over the years lead me to believe that it doesn't matter whether the donkey people or the elephant people win, the progression of government - ever larger, ever more corrupt - never veers off its ugly flight path toward totalitarian insanity.
 
Legislatures will keep cranking out endless irrational laws no matter which gang is king of the mountain for a few years.  I wonder what the upper limit is on the sheer number of laws.  Are we not approaching it soon?  Are we past it?
 
The real issue, for me, is government vs no government or at least big government vs small government.  But what we will get is bigger government vs bigger government.  
 
I'm told that if I don't vote, I shouldn't complain.  I guess that's right.  After all, if you offer an innocent man a choice between being horse-whipped or water-boarded and he doesn't choose either one, he has no right to complain when you horse-whip him, right?
John Howard Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:13pm
I think the Donkey and the Elephant people ought to wear little pins that say,  "I voted for the lesser of two monsters today!"
The Burghal Hidage Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:39pm
Junior -  It's nice there in San Diego. I'm glad you are happy there. I have heard good things about it. Why don't you wise up and keep secret all of those things that make California such a wonderful place to live? I mean if word gets out, hell, everybody will want to go there. And if your state's formula for success gets out then all the states will be doing it and then.... Well, you won't be so special anymore. It is a truly magnanimous gesture on your part and I for one can say thanks for thinking of the rest of us :)
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:40pm
The Donkey is a former Donkey and the Elephant has a new and great owner. The choice is very clear. 
Jeff Michka Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:50pm
Kenny leads off in his "article" with the best thing to get foam on the edges of Trumpist mouths....Hillary, Then, Sustainpeddle wanders in to pump up the Ts, applauding lame ass Kenny.  Do the people you talk to know what a shameless partisan ERW you are, Kenny?  "The Elephant is as gone as the donkey, replaced by a reality TV star with a fiberglass wife, so no more republicans, just Trumpists, if you believe Sustainpeddle.  I'd ask Sustainpeddle to be honest, but know that's impossible.
James Travil Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:52pm
I agree with John Howard, I rarely vote for the reasons he mentioned. Not voting this time either. But still it's good theater. 
John Howard Added Nov 6, 2018 - 4:56pm
I did forget to mention that elections are, indeed, good theater, as James Travil says.  Bumper sticker:  "No time to vote - had to go buy popcorn."
Kevin Marlin, LSSMBB Added Nov 6, 2018 - 5:08pm
Ijust wonder, if there Red gsin will the leftist meltdown continue.
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 5:13pm
To Kevin: Yes!
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 5:17pm
Kevin - it won't just continue, it will accelerate.  heads will explode if all the hate they have ginned up doesn't pay off at the polls.
 
Turnout countrywide is reportedly incredibly heavy
Jeff Michka Added Nov 6, 2018 - 5:47pm
Why aren't all the "brave" rightists patriots offering to go to the border to help stop the invasion of armored Strollers pushed by small, undernourished, diseased women?  You can thrill kill and kill women! Whadda deal for a Trumpian.  And I GUESS YOU MUST MEAN ALL THE GINNED UP RIGHTISTS, EH, KENNY?  2020 election cycle begins tomorrow.
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 5:56pm
First polls close 7pm in IN,GA,KY,VA,SC,VT.
 
Key Races to watch  IN Senate, GA Governor, VA (house district 7 and 10 Brat and Comstock respective incumbents)
 
These 4 races could be early indicators of direction evening will go.
 
Indiana (Donnelly (Di) vs Braun(R))  potential republican senate flip predictions lean slightly republican
 
Ga(Kemp (R) vs Abrams (D)) Oprah spent weekend pushing Abrams, close race, Kemp was AG and known statewide, Abrams pretty much only known in Atlanta)
 
Brat and Comstock are 2 tossup seats in republican districts.  If republicans hold on to these seats it could bode well for other tight races
Jeff Michka Added Nov 6, 2018 - 6:05pm
"Red Wave," huh, Kenny.  Too bad you waited until election day for this "revelation."  Then we could have worked on keeping rightists home, their votes being unnecessary since Trump will vote for them, or some other absurd excuse.  You people believe anything, guess that accounts for your side's constant stream of lies and red herrings.
Flying Junior Added Nov 6, 2018 - 6:20pm
Well we voted.  It was not terribly exciting.  My congressional district, the 52nd is a shoo-in for the incumbent.  There was one State Proposition that gave me a good laugh.  We have this little rabble-rouser named Carl DeMaio who likes to grab a bullphone and gin up shoppers as they are leaving the grocery store.  He's just not popular enough to actually hold office for long, so he is an activist.  He put his heart and soul into repealing the gas tax enacted by Governor Brown and the legislature which pays for much needed road repairs and transportation infrastructure.  You know I almost would have voted with the republicans on this one because I am wondering where all of the billions of dollars for putting in a trolley extension are coming from.  I see massive projects with elevated tracks at least twelve to fifteen miles of incredibly expensive and state-of-the-art, earthquake-proof construction that will take years to complete.  It seems like it puts half of the UC San Diego campus in shadow.  Imagine all of the rattling trolley cars right over where students and faculty walk to and from central campus locations.  We don't get to vote on stuff like that.  But dear Carl billed his effort as the, "Gas Tax Repeal," an enormously popular idea.  Sadly the SOS and the Legislative Analyst gave it a decidedly different emphasis.  Their description simply read, "Eliminates certain funding for highways and transportation."  Carl is pissed off.  There is always a panoply of State Propositions and City Charter Amendments to wade through.  All told it was 24 today.



Flying Junior Added Nov 6, 2018 - 6:40pm
Susitna,
 
When I talk about damage by congress I am referring to the Great Republican Tax Heist of 2017.  As Ken proudly points out, the negative consequences really have not kicked in just yet.  But mathematically, one can assume that revenue coming in to the federal government is already substantially reduced as less income is withheld from various wage-earners and less estimated tax payments are made by businesses and corporations.  Some type of accounting will be available after tax day next year.
 
I'm not so much dead against trimming the federal budget.  But when it is done hap-hazardly, it is sure to kick in sequestration which can even affect Medicare payments.  So automatic across-the-board cuts will be forced upon the government.  What we need are targeted cuts, particularly changing priorities away from funding the Pentagon and its contractors as well as all of the foreign aid we send to nations in the form of weaponry.  The republican response will doubtless be to propose drastic changes to Social Security and Medicare as if somehow these Trust Funds are fair game for financing their tax cuts and outrageous budgets.
 
We can't blame the congress for the tariffs.  I'm sure most congress critters oppose them much in the same way that I do.
 
As far as the democratic agenda?  According to the DNC, top issues are immigration reform, universal healthcare and women's reproductive rights.  This does not truly reflect the values of rank and file democrats.  Many of us are concerned about unpopular stances which only drive away large segments of the electorate.  We are vulnerable to charges of supporting open borders even if that is not the case.  Most of us would prefer to work quietly to support a woman's right to health care and access rather than make it a political football.  Core values are not so different than those held by republicans.  We want more access to higher education and more support for city colleges.  Credits earned in a city college can be transferred to universities.  People save money.  We support teachers and K-12 education.  But these are mostly local battles.  We support re-entry above incarceration as well as acknowledging the failure of the war on drugs.
 
The one unifying issue for all democrats is that we oppose excessive and unregulated granting of oil, natural gas and mineral rights in particular opening up precious off-shore environments and national monuments.  We think that the EPA should be working for the people to preserve our lands instead of working like a fox in the henhouse for extraction industries.  We support stringent clean water standards, ever-improving mileage efficiency requirements for vehicles and conversion to electric fleets.  We support encouragement and some subsidy of green energy.  We support phasing out the most polluting forms of energy-production such as coal and probably even diesel.  Above all we support international efforts to combat energy policies which contribute inordinately to global warming.
 
Thanks for asking.



Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 6:43pm
He put his heart and soul into repealing the gas tax enacted by Governor Brown and the legislature which pays for much needed road repairs and transportation infrastructure. 
 
The gas tax actually goes to the general fund and does not impact road work or infrastructure at all.  It is a whole 3 sentence proposition that was intentionally misnamed (illegally as the AG is supposed to come up with a non-partisan name but came up with a false name for it - but that is another discussion).  None of the infrastructure is impacted, and the tax - as currently written - goes up continually.
 
Suffice it to say, my vote cancelled out yours
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:04pm
immigration reform, universal healthcare and women's reproductive rights.
 
Say what you really mean - open borders, government run health care and baby murder.
 
Don't forget the impeach Trump part.....
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:07pm
To Flying Junior: Many thanks for your thorough answer. In many issues, I don't agree with but we would need hours and hours of writing back and forward. Especially when it comes to the so-called women health care issue to mask mass abortions.
My second question would be, why not one Democrat talks like you and defends the different matters with propositions instead of just talking all day long about impeachment? One cannot accuse Trump of being racist instead of talking about solutions. If many would at least talk like you, we could compromise and achieve something. And as already said, I really don't agree with several statements regarding taxes and the economy but it was refreshing to hear an opinion without being insulted. I am here to learn and to debate.  
Ursula Leach Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:13pm
Ken - you are so wrong and pathetic IMHO you should be ashamed of yourself
 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:13pm
Way too early to get excited but initial reports are indicating that the huge turnout today is largely Trump-based.  They are suggesting that Republican voters appear far more motivated than Democrat voters.
 
Very Early Reporting Braun is up on Donally Big and Scott on Nelson (Panhandle voting doesn't close until top of the hour, though, and that is hugely conservative area of Florida)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:22pm
  I wonder what the upper limit is on the sheer number of laws. 
 
Infinity. 
 
Next question. 
 
 
 
 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:36pm
you are so wrong and pathetic IMHO you should be ashamed of yourself
 
Care to clarify on what or just as a general rule?  And if it is a general rule, then I am probably too pathetic to be ashamed...
Flying Junior Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:49pm
I do not support impeachment.  Trump has not committed any crimes.

Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 7:53pm
Thanks, Flying Junior and Happy Midterms!
Flying Junior Added Nov 6, 2018 - 8:03pm
I'm keeping my eye on Kamala Harris as a reasonable voice for the California Democratic Party.  So far I agree with her on many issues.  I forgot to mention civil rights.  These are of paramount importance to liberals.
 
I'm not sure what you are reading Ken.  But you are partially correct.  It is more along the lines of what I feared.  So far $2.4 Billion has been diverted to large-scale MTA projects.  These mass-transit projects are said to be of value to California motorists.  There are even plans to hold the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.  This will demand billions in taxpayer money.
 
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-gas-tax-money-20180426-story.html
 
I didn't know you lived in California.



Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 8:25pm
I do not support impeachment.  Trump has not committed any crimes
 
I was speaking about the democrat platform in general.  I forgot repeal the tax cuts too....why cut spending when you can steal more money from those working hard for it?
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 8:27pm
I'm keeping my eye on Kamala Harris as a reasonable voice for the California Democratic Party. 
 
I sure hope so!  She is a left wing lunatic ideologue and demagogue who has accomplished nothing so far in the senate other than to make a complete ass of herself.  If she is the "reasonable" voice, that just proves how radically left the democrat party has become.
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 8:30pm
 I didn't know you lived in California.
 
I live in the bay area.  I went to see ELO at the Oakland Colosseum in that article I wrote.  They are coming back next year and will see them in the SAP center in San Jose
 
.  So far $2.4 Billion has been diverted to large-scale MTA projects.  These mass-transit projects are said to be of value to California motorists. 
 
They are diverting it to stuff like the electric train - which has been no value as it doesn't even run yet (and don't be surprised if it never does)  And the tax continually adjusts over time.  Try reading the proposition itself along with the pro and con rebuttle in the election documentation rather than some reporter filtering their position to you
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 8:35pm
Comstock lost in VA10, but the "blue wave" predicted 3 seats flipping in VA, and Brat seems to be holding on to his ahead by a couple of thousand votes with 75% in.
 
Looks like Donelly is going to flip to Republican in Indiana senate seat although it is tightening up as Indianapolis area is coming in
 
So far there have been a net gain of 2 seats to the democrats.  Likely will be more as the evening goes on but they need 26 to take over the house and it isn't obvious that will happen yet.
 
Scott and Nelson and Gillum and DeSantis or both only a few thousand votes apart while a majority of the liberal areas in South florida and around Tampa have been counted and the panhandle which is mostly conservative is coming in.  Going to be tight but looks like DeSantis and Scott are in decent position to pull it out.
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 8:59pm
To Flying Junior: I am sure that you have a good heart.
Civil Rights is a very important issue for everyone. 
Kamala Harris was not very reasonable when she was spending taxpayer money for private matters and she was less reasonable when she reassured to a false accuser of rape, that there wouldn't be any consequences. If I am not wrong she was an AG and should have known better. But Dems like to sacrifice women. Well, this accuser will go to jail thanks to Kamala Harris. An investigation regarding K.H.'s actions is pending. I don't believe that Harris is neither pro women nor pro-civil rights nor nothing. And this is the problem. Like all the ones who talk about rights and poor people and don't do anything but get rich and powerful. It is a constant pandering to certain groups because she wants to run in 2020. Please check out what she has done so far because there is no hearing where she didn't have to be lectured about basic knowledge regarding the law and other procedures.  The most she should aspire is to work in The View. 
Leroy Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:03pm
ABC is giving the Democrats a 5 in 9 chance in taking the House.  Hey, not bad.  Chances improved from 1 in 8.
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:11pm
considering they started the day with an 80% chance, not bad...clearly no blue wave going on.  Cruz is going to be a little tighter than I expected it looks like but the few urban liberal areas in TX have mostly come in and he is slightly ahead with 54% of vote in.
 
Still only net gain of 2 in house for dems, they need 24 more, still a good chance can get there, but if they take control it is going to be by very narrow margin
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:12pm
really looks like could be 54-56 seats in senate for republicans.  Blackburn wins big in Tenn, looks like while too close to call in both braun and Scott will be pickups, Macaskill up early in MO, but those are urban areas mostly and I don't think she will hold on there when the count is higher
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:21pm
Thanks, Ken, just hoping and crossing my fingers....
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:32pm
GA had voting extended 3 hours in 2 districts because of issues (not sure what) both in atlanta, one near morehouse college (HBC), so their results have been delayed
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:34pm
Van Jones (self avowed communist, brief member of Obama Administration before he was chased out once exposed) has just declared tonight an unmitigated disaster for democrats
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:42pm
Networks projecting Democrats will retake control of the house even though they currently only have a net gain of 2 so far, based on returns they are seeing but not actually called.  I suspect it will be by a narrow margin, however
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:50pm
To Ken: Yes I remember when Obama had to kick him out as it was too early to come out of the closet as a communist. Van Jones was an agitator and loved to brainwash people. He plays now the nice commentator in CNN (Communist News Network)
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 9:59pm
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is now officially the youngest female member of congress....and more interestingly, she is already updating her resume to apply for a Cabinet position in the Robert Francis O'Rourke administration (true story!)
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:05pm
Heidi Hietcamp defeated - 2 democrat senators have gone down now
Flying Junior Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:14pm
It looks like the Bryl Cream guy remains the Senator from Texas.  That should make John M. happy.
 
BTW, I prefer CBS and PBS for coverage.

Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:19pm
lol FJ, what a shock, the lib prefers coverage that conforms more to his views.  I am actually watching 3 different networks while looking online at raw results, although starting now to chill more and watch my florida gators (university I went to) get blown out in opening night of basketball....shame that game was tonight too...
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:20pm
O.-C. is a nightmare! 
Leroy Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:23pm
Looks like the Democrats have picked up 12 House seats now.
 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:30pm
In a bit of a stunner, Debbie Stabenow is down 2 points right now
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:33pm
republicans officially hold the senate.  Now it is just a question of how many seats they pick up.  Raphael has been declared winner over Robert Francis in Texas
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:34pm
So we kept the Senate and will lose the House?
I have the feeling that there will be a big fight for the gavel between Pelosi and other crazy girls.......
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:36pm
I am very happy the Beto is out. But he will try to run in 2020 for Office. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:43pm
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is now officially the youngest female member of congress
 
Jesusfuckinchristonagoddamnfuckincrutch!
 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:51pm
99% of florida in DeSantis, Scott both ahead, and race hasn't been called yet....looks like it is over, but no one will call it
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:54pm
I have the feeling that there will be a big fight for the gavel between Pelosi and other crazy girls.......
 
actually it will go beyond that.  many of the house ran on "I will not support Pelosi for speaker" and a number there said the same thing, so that will be interesting to see what direction they go.  It is also generally the actually modertate democrats that won, not the pretend moderates, so they may not be able to veer as far left as they expected to with a planned repudiation of Trump by America, which didn't happen - actually, where he campaigned for folks they blew away expectations, so it will be interesting to see how the democrats manage a very minimal house majority...
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:56pm
Jesusfuckinchristonagoddamnfuckincrutch!
 
she is a complete moron, so she will spend the rest of her life doing nothing for a predominantly democrat hispanic district in NYC and collecting nice paychecks and saying moronic things on TV - look at her as the next Maxine Waters for the next 40 years...
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 10:58pm
Gillum concedes FL Governor race!  THANKS EVERYTHING AMERICAN!  way too close for so many Floridians to even remotely consider a racist socialist for governor
Leroy Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:02pm
I'll go out on a limb and say 54 Republican Senate seats.
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:07pm
A few hours ago, Nancy pelosi said they would impeach trump.  last week they were talking about the blue tsunami, 41% in exit polls stated they wanted Trump impeached.
 
Nancy Pelosi just came out now and stated that they would only impeach him if it is bipartisan.  The lack of a blue tsunami has potentially prevented the impeachment (although it isn't clear she will even be speaker again)
 
Still curious races in MO, NV, and AZ
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:11pm
Wasn't as much chatter tonight as I hoped for, maybe many here not as interested as I thought, but hope was informative and interesting and fun for those who checked in.
 
Looks like will end up maybe a 10 seat or so majority in house for democrats for next 2 years and a 4-6 seat majority in senate for republicans.
 
Won't be total gridlock. Senate will keep confirming judges, house will likely stop all the current investigations and start new ones for the next 2 years
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:12pm
clair McCaskill in MO just lost
Susitna Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:14pm
To Ken: I was glad to hear that the new Dems in the House are not that crazy. Are they some kind of blue dogs? Obama decimated those. 
Regarding O.-C. I don't think that she will stay for too long in the House because she is not very smart and will have lots of problems keeping up with the rules. They will throw her out soon. Mark my words. She is completely out of control and quacks nonsense all the time. 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:19pm
considering how democrats run and how democrats vote, who knows?
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:20pm
although, the same can be said for some republicans, too...
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:33pm
Abrams (the democratic socialist) who was supported by Oprah for GA governor got smoked...
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:37pm
She is completely out of control and quacks nonsense all the time.
 
Actually describes 99.825 percent of congresscritters. She'll fit right in.
 
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:38pm
Adam Schiff's new priority as will be leader of the Intelligence committee, will be to renew Mueller's investigation he just announced....
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:49pm
Who won, Democrats or America?
 
I think folks like FJ and others on the left need to really consider that question.  And I mean consider it HONESTLY. 
 
Split government and gridlock can be good in some situations.  We have actually had a congress that has capitulated to the left most of the time the past 2 years even as the majority.
 
But Are you or America really worse off than you were in 2016?  an HONEST answer for 99% of americans would be no.
 
Without being ideologically against conservatives/smaller government/ TDS, can anyone give a legitimate reason because of the blind hatred and still denial of 2016 results, because they weren't what you you wanted or expected.
 
I thought it was fascinating that you despised the tax cuts, FJ - why?  Why does the government deserve your money - We will get that now with the other obnoxious leftist Newsom now elected (someone as intelligent as Guilfoyle I can't understand why was with him anyway).
 
Why are they irresponsible and bad?  Because it is irresponsible to cut government spending?  There are billions the government pays for that it shouldn't even be involved in, but hey, tax cuts to allow people to keep what they earn is bad, right?
Ken Added Nov 6, 2018 - 11:59pm
rick scott just officially called, now +4 in the senate for republicans
James Travil Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:02am
"I thought it was fascinating that you despised the tax cuts, FJ - why? Why does the government deserve your money"
Maybe FJ isn't rich and thus didn't get a tax cut? The Trump tax cut for the rich didn't exactly help most people. 
Ken Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:06am
maxine waters chairperson of house banking committee now
Jerry Nadler has said will commence impeachment investigations
Adam Shiff will now shut down all current investigations on the abuse of power by Obama and cronies and and continue russia investigation
 
Is this good for America?  Do any of those on the left actually believe there is value here?  Is your hatred of Trump so much that you want 2 more years of dragging through the mud?  I simply don't understand the irrationality simply because of rejection of 2016 election results...
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:21am
I predict 2 years of endless inquiries, hearings, and court cases. 
 
Trump is practically a lame duck president (aside from being able to name another Supreme Court judge).
 
He might be able to get birthright citizenship sorted by executive order, make it illegal, have it challenged in court, it works through the courts to the Supreme Court, they rule that illegal aliens cannot give birth to American citizens (unless Congress passes a law making it so). Birthright citizenship over. 
 
But Trump's ability to pass new laws is over. And the next years of inquiries will make the last 2 look calm and serene. 
James Travil Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:31am
Looks like overall the polls were correct this time, no big surprises. 
Flying Junior Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:46am
I thought you and I were more or less on the same wavelength as far as the so-called tax cuts.  The only taxes that were actually cut were estate taxes, capital gains taxes and corporate taxes.  Our tax tables remain unchanged.  The only benefit that the typical wage-earner saw was a doubling of the standard deduction, (a fairly big plus if offered in earnest.)  But the rub was, of course, that the Trump tax plan eliminated personal exemptions which also are deducted from taxable income.  So it wasn't a complete wash.  I calculated that most household stood to gain anywhere from $600 to $1,000 a year in reduced taxes.  Plus it sunsets in seven years.  While this seems like a nice tax cut for the middle class, it comes at a cost.  Namely, for many people that used to itemize, it will no longer make sense to do so.  This takes away a very real incentive for people to make charitable contributions.  To me that is despicable.  What's more, if I am not mistaken, the loss in federal revenue from middle class taxpayers will be dwarfed by the tax savings of the big players.  It's a cruel joke played on short-sighted individuals for political and very real financial gain.
 
And then there is the problem of the national debt.  Balancing the budget is not a board game.
 
I'm ag'in it.

Flying Junior Added Nov 7, 2018 - 1:06am
There is a great deal of good news here.  If we can believe CBS, the gains in the House were brought about by a change of heart in women, independents and white college students.  This is wonderful news.  It means that the insanity that gripped our nation has subsided.  A seat in the House of Representatives is like a Petunia plant.  It won't be back next season unless someone plants it or it reseeds itself.  They are a closer reflection of the national attitude from year-to-year.
 
On a personal level as a Writer Beater it meant a great deal to me to see TBH and FacePalm more or less proven wrong.  I think TBH used the term, "blue wet fart."  Both of these lovable gentlemen were possessed of a child-like faith in Trump which was actually very lovely to behold.  They seemed to believe that Trump really was the magic answer to break the stranglehold of the corporatocracy that has become the flagship of the American two-party system.  I guess that may still be true, but thank the Goddess there are still millions of Americans who remain unconvinced.  They came out in force today.  We will always be better off as two sometimes warring, sometimes cooperating parties.
 
Trump is no man of the people.  He is very likely the first true elitist elected to the office in the short, sweet history of our nation.  Drain the swamp?  From the deal-maker?  lolz
 
Finally it was so wonderful to hear Nancy Pelosi again.  I was reminded of her historic acceptance speech surrounded by her grand-daughters.  It was very heartening to hear that Trump was listening and was optimistic about her promise to work together with republicans.  Perhaps Trump really can get you guys out of your slump.  Stranger things have happenned.
 
I'm not exactly sure what Ken was talking about with Nancy P. flip-flopping all in one night.  I didn't hear her promise to impeach earlier today.  But I did hear her declare to all the world that impeachment was off of the table.  I've been telling you guys that for over a year now.  It was Pelosi who tabled the notion of impeaching the Shrub these twelve years ago.  Told ya so!  Democrats and dummy pundits who repeatedly call for impeachment of the monster are only putting their own naïveté on display.










Flying Junior Added Nov 7, 2018 - 1:43am
I thought that was Bianna Golodryga.  Cool.

FacePalm Added Nov 7, 2018 - 2:03am
i must admit i'm disappointed with the results in the House, but i DO predict that if all the republican investigations into corruption  are halted, there will be major blowback.  i'm certain that deepstaters in the FBI, Justice, and State are breathing major sighs of relief, now that their stonewalling and delay strategies proved successful(for now).
 
Trump will win again in 2020, however...and i expect republicans to again take the majority in the House at that time, while maintaining the Senate.
 
That said, a lot can happen in two years.
 
Looks like the democrat strategies have worked, so far; there may be investigations into the multiple election irregularities, and perhaps the election meddling by all the leftist silicon valley giants will result in some major antitrust indictments.  Google, Facebook/Instagram and Twitter have a lot to lose.
 
i'm frankly surprised that the recent Project Veritas disclosures didn't sway more voters, as well, though it appears that O'Rourke, & McCaskill, having both been exposed as duplicitous deceivers who - in emulation of The Liar - have a public position to win votes, and a private position only to be revealed "later" - both went down to defeat.
 
But let's see if Sessions gets into gear at the DoJ; there could be major shakeups coming, from what i'm hearing.
 
In addition, no republican can blame Trump for not doing all he could to get out the vote; last i heard, this has been the largest turnout for a mid-term election in history.
 
What concerns me most is what the Pelosi crowd will do now that they're back in power; will they keep Pelosi's promise to work with republicans to make America great, or is she a liar again, as usual, who'll attempt to exercise dictatorial control?  i hope to see that she keeps her word, but i wouldn't bank on it for a second.
 
We are definitely seeing the Chinese curse in action, i.e. "May you live in interesting times."
James Travil Added Nov 7, 2018 - 2:26am
What the hell is a "deepstater"?
Speaking of dictators a friend of mine informs me that they just elected one in Ohio for king. It was supposed to be an election for governor but the pure fascist (some dried up old vampire named Mike DeWine) who Trump and the GOP endorsed ran on the promise to govern AGAINST the will of the people! Thank the devil I live in Washington we do not need or want no dictators or fascist scum here. The Midwesterners have a way of shooting themselves in the foot. 
Flying Junior Added Nov 7, 2018 - 2:59am
So I tested my theory that the tax tables for 2017 and 2018 would be identical.  My theory was disproved.  But by small dollar amounts.  I looked up the 2017 Form 1040 instructions with a mind to looking at the tax tables.  The tax tables begin on page 78.
 
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf
 
Next I found a draft of the 2018 IRS Form 1040 instructions.  The tax tables begin on page 67.
 
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/i1040gi--dft.pdf
 
Much to my surprise there were some discrepancies.  So I picked a probable median taxable income for the working poor, at $22,000 USD taxable.  I looked at the tax for single and married filing jointly.
 
In 2017 your taxes were indeed higher.  A single taxpayer was liable for $2,838 USD.  Married filing jointly would have paid $2,371 USD.
 
In 2018 the taxes should be lower.  A single taxpayer reporting $22,000 in taxable income will pay $2,453 in taxes.  The married couple filing jointly has a substantially smaller savings at $2,262.
 
So the single taxpayer will save $385 while the married couple will only save $9.
 
So there are intricacies to the new law that nobody truly understands.  If anybody really thinks that it is a significant tax cut to the middle class, you've got another thing coming.










Flying Junior Added Nov 7, 2018 - 3:00am
You're taking this pretty hard, FacePalm.
FacePalm Added Nov 7, 2018 - 3:06am
FJ-
Crow is no fun to eat, but when you're wrong, you're wrong - and failing to admit error simply perpetuates it.
James Travil Added Nov 7, 2018 - 3:26am
I like crow, but raven is much better ;) 
Stone-Eater Added Nov 7, 2018 - 3:47am
Looks like the hardcorers have gotten a blowback. MAHGA :-)
James Travil Added Nov 7, 2018 - 3:57am
MAHGA = Mega Assine Hypocrite Gigantic Asshats :) 
Spartacus Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:15am
There will be congressional gridlock for the next two years. The President will still be able to achieve most of his goals. He’ll be able to appoint Constitutionalist judges as before.
He’ll continue working closely with Senate leaders while house leaders get on Tv and whine for two years. He won’t be impeached.
 
He’ll be re-elected in 2020 and if he plays the perception game correctly, the house will swing back. He made this election all about keeping the Senate and defeating key socialists like Beto and Gollum as well as ousting any Democrat senator who voted against Kavanaugh. It worked.
 
Most of the Republican House members who lost were establishment Never-Trumpers.  It was a good night.
Flying Junior Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:37am
Gridlock?  Why?  No democratic politician ever took an oath to screw the country with no thought as to the human cost.  Why should not the nation operate in the fashion which the founders envisioned?  You are thinking of when there is a democratic president.  Then it wouldn't matter if the dollar collapsed, thirty million Americans died from starvation and all of the cities burned up.  At least the democratic president would not get any credit for accomplishing anything.
 
Gridlock is a republican thing.  There was no gridlock under either President Bush.  Have a little faith in Nancy Pelosi.  Senator Graham had it about right.  They can work on prison reform, the failed war on drugs, public education and many other issues upon which human beings have no difficulty agreeing.





Flying Junior Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:38am
You are right about one thing.  The only republicans left standing have sold their souls to Donald Trump.  I can't see that serving them very well in the future.
Jim Stoner Added Nov 7, 2018 - 5:04am
Sorry I couldn't participate in the chat; I was out enjoying the beautiful evening and constantly adjusting my predictit market positions.  
 
Ken:  My suggestions for the 2020 ticket are Sherrod Brown/Carmen Yulin Ruiz, and for Speaker it is Barack Obama.  I wish these were true, but they are all off the wall ideas that may not find purchase.   Maybe the ideas behind them could be instructive, anyway. 
 
The Democrats once again were outmaneuvered tactically while showing they have superior popular support.  The losses in Florida, Georgia, Texas, and (Governor only) Ohio were unlucky and painful. 
 
I don't think any particular faction won this election, except maybe women, who showed their electoral power.  It was an expensive mess, just as I predicted. 
 
Jim Stoner Added Nov 7, 2018 - 5:12am
The question is what the Democrats in the House will do? 
Well, first, they have to group and discuss, but a couple of thoughts: 
1) They will investigate, before any action to impeach:  There is a rich vein of investigation in Mueller's work which they will be able to draw upon, whether or not he still has the job.  Trump's taxes will be laughably ugly, full of cheating and bold lies, and at the worst will be an embarrassment to him.  So that's good. 
 
2)  They will try to make some deals with Trump, on budgeting, prescription drugs, and infrastructure--maybe that middle-class tax cut he dangled.  They are not going to sign onto any stupid Trumpist immigration demagoguery.   A serious trade deal might get approved.   They can certainly pull their weight legislatively if they have credible negotiating partners. 
 
Then, 3) I am hoping to see some movement toward putting in place some 21st-century standards, in terms of things like voter registration, ID, polling locations, tabulation methods, and backup data.  It would be a start toward a more general, bipartisan reform of our shoddy electoral practices. 
George N Romey Added Nov 7, 2018 - 5:22am
Nope don't expect much over the next 2 years other than the rich of Washington DC in battle.  
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:28am
Mueller was supposed to release his results after the Midterms. Let's see which "version" he is going to deliver now that he feels the support from the Dems.
And now I wonder when the indictments will get "launched" and how long Sessions is going to stay around. 
Is it me or did the Dems pander to the women with many new female candidates? Maybe we should do the same......although I hate gender politics. Maybe this was the reason for the new message against "White Men".
The communist Social Media is colluding with China. This needs to get under control. Clean the Silicon Valley swamp! And China will have to stop intervening in our elections because their economy is suffering at the moment and the negotiations are still ongoing.
As for President Trump, he always has a plan B and C. He is a big boy and his fight just began..........
We have learned a lot from the Midterms and which mistakes not to repeat. Maybe these two years are going to be used to clean the polling station's swamp as well. 
I was more than happy to see the victories in Texas and Florida. This was nerve-wracking - almost like Election Night 2016.
What are the Dems now going to do with the Caravan? Let them down or use them as a future constituency in Texas or Florida? They just need the names. Dead people and illegals are their strength. 
Oh boy, oh boy.......let's wait and see....
 
 
opher goodwin Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:35am
The Caravan of Fear
 
The toxic caravan of fear is drawing near
Loaded with rapists, murderers and drugs.
An invasion force with gangs and bangs
Made up of vicious, dirty thugs.
Hiding behind the Babies prams and scams
Funded by some shady men
Fearless Trump with bite and might
Will drive them back again.
 
Opher 7.11.2018
 
 
It was amazing to see how Trump manipulated the caravan of refugees into an invading army of gangs and terrorists. He had barbed wire erected and thousands of troops deployed to resist the ‘invasion’.
Trump insinuated that Muslim terrorists, drug gangs and criminals had inserted themselves into the caravan of Central American refugees and were using the women and babies as a shield. There is no evidence of this at all. It was all manufactured to play on the imagination and fears of the electorate.
This is precisely where the hatred, fear and division stems from.
Every single day 325,000 people fly into the USA. A number of them stay illegally.
It makes the whole Trump fantasy around the Central American refugees look a bit daft, doesn’t it? 325,000 a day – 7000 in total.
The truth is that they 7000 merely needed processing, like any others, when they eventually reach the US border. They need to follow the rules. There is no invasion or drama. Some may be given refugee status some might be returned.
It was just an excuse, with racist overtones, used by Trump to drum up fear in order to generate votes.
Of course there can’t be unlimited immigration. There has to be a way of dealing with it. This isn’t it!
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:36am
To Ken: A already said the next two years have to be used to clean the swamp in the polling stations. Dead people and illegals are still in the Dems data banks. Without fraudulent tactics, they cannot come back into the White House and they know it. The proof is that they could get the House without one positive message. On the other side, they are using new female candidates to attract women and the war against the White Man is only starting. I feel great danger coming from the rat holes from Obama and Hillary. They are desperate and fighting really hard to remain out of jail. 
Today I have to say, the indictments should have occurred before the Midterms. This was a mistake. The Dems will now stall any legal proceedings. I believe that Trump got here the wrong advice. You use the power when you have it. But nevertheless, I am sure that he knew what was going to happen. He will move to plan B. 
When I watch Pelosi and Waters and even Feinstein I cannot understand how elderly women cannot stop to hate and still pursue the slavery agenda for their own people through communism. How much richer do they want to become? How many more pies do they want to eat? I mean they get up in the morning and know that they have to lie all day long! When it comes to Hillary this is another story. She is possessed by Satan and completely traumatized. She has a fixation with sleeping again in the White House and this is not going to happen. 
I am deeply worried about the next two years unless some Dems end up in jail, we have special elections or the new Blue Dogs really don't vote for Pelosi and decide to work across the aisle.  
It is also very sad that the Republicans couldn't keep both, as this would have granted Trump a better position to keep negotiating with North Korea. Kim wants to be sure first, that there is going to be a second Trump term before making more steps into denuclearization. 
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:59am
To Opher: Walk the walk. Go there and walk with them. After you can write all you want but you will be outside of your cosy and well-protected place. You have enough food, shelter and all the time of the world to write about your TDS.
With your article, you cannot convince anybody of anything. We are racists? You are heartless. You just don't care. It is nicer for you to hide behind your own lies and to wake up in the morning with the one and only goal that is to hate Trump, and maybe yourself. I am tired of those who use human life to attack the President just to pursue their communist agenda: Wealth for the elite and poverty for the masses. 
Absolutely disgraceful how you deal with women and children. You would be one of those who would say afterwards that you didn't know that there were "camps" in your town. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 7, 2018 - 8:35am
Susitna - I don't want to walk with them. I don't think they should be walking and I don't think they should be admitted.
Neither do I believe they are full of criminals, terrorists, rapists, gang members and drug cartels. 
They are a bunch of desperate refugees with women and babies - far from an invasion.
It was used by Trump to drum up fear and hatred. Can't you see that? It is obvious.
I wonder if Trump didn't actually fund it? I wouldn't put it past him. He was desperate.
A mere 7000. They need processing and sorting just like the 325,000 who come in every single day. Are they an invasion too?
BTW - I don't hate myself - I just hate lies and injustice.
Leroy Added Nov 7, 2018 - 8:49am
It wasn't a bad day for Republicans at all.  They did better than expected.  We shall "endeavor to persevere" the next two years.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 7, 2018 - 9:51am
To whoever said it earlier:
Trump is not an anomaly. Trump has done something very simple and very effective: He has listened to what makes his constituents angriest, validated them issue by issue, and tried to mold policy to addressing those issues. No one else has done this, so no one else gets the kind of devotion Trump gets. That’s why he could shoot someone in Times Square at noon and get away with it. That’s why his constituents will ignore his every fault, including his incessant lying and his ignoring of law. The guy with a reputation for not listening listened to the right people and listened way more comprehensively than anyone else.  That’s what makes him look like he’s not a politician. 
 
The problem is in what makes his constituents angriest. So much of it is myths. “Terrorists are coming over the border from Mexico.” No they’re not. Terrorists take the far easier route of flying in on student visas. So far, none have come from Mexico. All that illegal immigration and no terrorism. “Minorities have so many advantages that the majority is under terrible attack.” Bullshit. Anyone who is threatened by “Happy Holidays” is a complete fucking cretin, that’s just a courtesy to include everyone. There isn’t a shred of evidence that anyone will ever keep Christians from worshipping, being employed, being elected to public office (who’s our Vice President again?) or dominating December retail. No, White people are not being threatened. When Whites are finally a plurality rather than the majority, nothing will happen. No one outside of demographers will even notice. No legislation up to this point has resulted in the White population being worse off than any other population and if you think I’m wrong, ask yourself who you’d trade places with. “Democrats are going to take all your guns.” How many Democrats in positions of power have you heard suggest a repeal of the Second Amendment? “We’re at risk of being ruled by Sharia law.” Please. The Muslim population is relatively tiny and I have never seen any data indicating that a majority of Muslims in America want Sharia to become civil law here. “Spanish will replace English in the United States.” No it won’t, any more than Yiddish did in New York. Use of foreign languages is a function of how recent immigration is and because Spanish speaking immigrants keep coming in large numbers, we tend not to notice the amount of assimilation that has happened to Spanish speaking populations that have been here longer. No one who grows up here isn’t fluent in English. “The Chinese are taking advantage of us.” Actually, that one’s true. 
 
Not only is so much of it myths, so much of it demonizes populations of Americans, and when the White House indicates in a bunch of ways that demonization is OK, that has consequences. Like a major rise in hate crimes, the most recent big one being Squirrel Hill. 
 
What yesterday’s election proved (among other things) is that a lot of the American population either approves of demonization or doesn’t care enough to think stopping it is a major enough issue to sway a vote. And that, more than anything, is what will make minorities hate Republicans. Not all minorities, but a lot. If you’re still asking yourself why Black people vote Democratic, you might as well stop asking. If you have Black neighbors or coworkers and you voted Republican, what you’re likely to hear is some version of “We are now less safe. Black boys have to be taught to be extra careful around the police because we are actively afraid of getting killed. Hate crimes are increasing and, at the same time, pressure on the police to clean up their act when it comes to Black suspects is decreasing, both of which are a consequence of Republicans in power. What you just did was show that my life isn’t important enough to affect your vote and you have the nerve to ask why I have a problem with you. Yes, I understand that your vote wasn’t due to race in a conventional sense, race wasn’t on your mind at all, but your vote says that as far as you’re concerned, Black Lives Don’t Matter. And then you wonder why BLM exists. You’re why.” 
 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:13am
Koshersalaami shows why Civic Nationalism can't exist, never existed, and won't exist. When Ruth the Moabitess said, "your people will be my people"---that is NOT the stance of Koshersalaami. With his above statement shows HIS HATRED of the WASPs of this country. As with the Kavanaugh hearing, the Jews have been conducting a race war thru surrogates against the Europeans and Christians in this country!  They are not nor ever be "fellow citizens". Koshersalaami shows his hate like never before. I suggest that Koshersalaami go back to Israel but please leave this country. You and your kind are nothing but saboteurs. Even one of their own said about themselves, "We are destroyers". Yes. And that is why every Catholic monarch thru you guys out. And that is why you orchestrated revolution in Europe to get rid of Catholic monarchs--so you guys could rule over use. 
 
BLM exists because of Jewish Cultural Power here in America. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:46am
Kosher - well summed up.
opher goodwin Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:48am
Lindsay - the heroic defender of WASP culture - everything is a Jewish conspiracy.
Spartacus Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:51am
No democratic politician ever took an oath to screw the country with no thought as to the human cost. 
Why should not the nation operate in the fashion which the founders envisioned?
 
Ya, I missed that part of the constitution that states,
"Ye shall consider every vote with the same weight of either a bullet or a life-saving meal"
 
FJ, you are all puff and bloat -- a chip off the block for your party.
Perhaps next, you will add that voting itself is a danger to humanity and was not constitutionally intended.  Since when has the left given a shit about the constitution?  LOL
 
Gridlock was very much the intended design of our government.  If gov leaders do not agree with each other, nothing happens.  Any 14-year-old student HS can tell you this.  Grow up.
Spartacus Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:54am
When Whites are finally a plurality rather than the majority, nothing will happen.  -- Kosherdildo
 
Another god damn racist here.
John Minehan Added Nov 7, 2018 - 11:09am
Even with massive turnout on both sides, very narrow margins.  De Santis 49.7 to Gillum 49.0 . . . .
Bill Kamps Added Nov 7, 2018 - 11:21am
It was a typical midterm, the party in power lost some House seats.  Nothing remarkable to look at here.  Spartacus is correct gridlock is normal.   The Founders made it difficult to pass legislation intentionally to make sure runaway emotions dont take over the country.  Gridlock can also be called stability, go ask the people in Turkey about that.
 
As a business person one of things we dont like is the constant change in the tax and regulation system.  Businesses can adapt to most things the government comes up with.  However, for big companies it can take a year or two to enact the changes.  Therefore rules that change every year, make it difficult for business. 
James Travil Added Nov 7, 2018 - 11:30am
"When it comes to Hillary this is another story. She is possessed by Satan and completely traumatized"
What a load of horseshit, now you gotta go and insult Satan? Seriously? 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:32pm
Hate crime began when the Frankfurt School, (google it), opened shop here in America and opened Institutes for Social Research on EVERY major American university!
 
Hate crime began when the Jews instigated and orchestrated the 1965 Immigration Act. The 1965 Immigration Act is about 'making the whites a plurality" in their OWN country!  What do you see in Europe?  The Europeans are being displaced in their OWN homelands!  The 1965 Immigration Act was a Hate crime!  To destroy the homogeneity of a group is a Hate Crime.
 
Koshersalaami writes:  And that, more than anything, is what will make minorities hate Republicans
 
It echoes this illustrious member of the Frankfurt School, Herbert Marcuse, Jewish, who thought of another way of re-purposing Marx's redemptive Messianic message for revolutionary goals. They would indoctrinate “alienated minorities” into this message.

“Such groups, he declared, could form liberating elites and destroy the managerial society. So reappeared the old Marxist-Hebraic (and Puritan) pattern of redemption through struggle by a chosen people. Radical minority groups could seek to destroy Western civilization from within by subverting the institutions that made up that civilization.” (Aston, pg. 248)
 
That is what is going on in the “ethnic studies” programs on colleges and universities across America. Minorities are being Marxisized with alienation and inflammatory propaganda to accomplish the Marxization of society. What is the
“managerial society” but the WASPs of this country.
 
Yea, Civic Nationalism is OVER people!  Who is fanning the flames of Hate amongst the minorities?  Who is screaming White priviledge, White Oppression, White Supremacy?  These are all hate propaganda to rile up the minorities to HATE the Europeans that built this country! 
 
opher goodwin Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:37pm
Well I don't hate anybody. I hate the actions of some people, their philosophy and their arrogance (that's without regard to race, creed, colour, religion or nationality - humans are humans - some good some bad). But I don't hate them.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:40pm
Spartacus,
What do you think will happen? Some of the loss of majority will be intermarriages. Why would people turn on their spouses and parents? Whites will continue to be the majority in large swaths of the country, including many if not most states. Whites will continue to have more wealth and higher ranking positions than minorities. Try thinking before you type, asshole. 
 
Lindsay,
How’s your fundraising for the Robert Bowers Defense Fund going?
Spartacus Added Nov 7, 2018 - 12:57pm
Whites will continue to be the majority in large swaths of the country, including many if not most states.
 
Why don't you stop thinking in terms of skin-tone-porn, Kosherdildo?
 
You are the dumbass that can't think any deeper than skin politics.  So please fuckoff you epically-proportional windbag. 
Who cares what the color of someone's skin is . . . unless you are a racist douchbag.  What only matters is what someone thinks . . . unless you are a moron like yourself.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 1:09pm
In 1790, Spartacus, the American Congress passed a law that ONLY White people can be citizens in America!  I guess they were "racist douchbags"!
 
John Jay, a Founding Father, wrote this in the Federalist Papers (#2):
“Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people—a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established their general liberty and independence."
 
I guess Providence is a "racist douchbag" and then John Jay is a racist douchebag as well!
 
Gnosticism is the hatred of particularity, Spartacus. Spartacus, please see this researched article based on the Bible and the Natural Law:
The Tower of Babel, The Philosophy of Race and the Genocidal Ideology of Social Justice/Political Correctness
 
I think I know what I'm talking about. God created Race and where God puts you, that is where you stay. Race matters. 
Bill Kamps Added Nov 7, 2018 - 1:15pm
Lindsay, I would suspect hate crimes have been around as long as there have been humans.  Certainly the KKK was around before the Frankfurt School and before 1965, and much of their effectiveness was based on hate crimes. 
John Minehan Added Nov 7, 2018 - 1:21pm
This was not the "shellacking" Pres. Obama took in '10 (63 seats) or the game changing loses Pres. Clinton took in '94.  Dems are up by two seats in the House.
 
However, the Dem gains in the states that gave us Trump (Michigan, Pennsylvania) and states that had been getting Redder (Wisconsin, Illinois) are a bad sign as are the narrow wins in Texas, Florida and Arizona.
 
It is early but the '20 Electoral map is dire.  Trump is proving to be a Faustian Bargain.
 
Maybe someone can convince Trump to resign in order to let Pence make the best arrangements he can for '20.     
Bill Kamps Added Nov 7, 2018 - 1:31pm
John, the midterms are always grim.  The Electoral map was "impossible" in 2016, and Trump won pretty easily.   A lot depends on who the Dems nominate.  Their choice last time played into Trump's hands since the electorate wanted change (see Bernie), but the Dems were going with the status quo extreme.  What will be the theme next time, and with the Dems embrace it, or will they know better?
 
Two years is an eternity in politics.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 1:51pm
Bill, I'm an intellectual historian of sorts. In this book: Newman, Louis I. (1925) Jewish Influence on Christian Reform Movements, Columbia University Press, New York, gives the history of Jewish influence in Europe in creating and fomenting revolution in the traditional Catholic Christianity.  Notice the word he uses "Reform". (Louis Newman is Jewish.) He starts his history in Northern Italy in the time of the Renaissance. 
 
Protestantism taught that Catholicism is in error. That is a sign of Gnosticism. Protestantism is Gnostic. 
 
In the Renaissance, the Kabbala and the Hermetic Tradition from Egypt came to the fore. One of the major thinkers of the Renaissance, Giovanni Pico, was a Kabbalist. The Kabbala transformed Europe. 
 
Next, the Puritans came out of, were a part of the English Civil Wars which was fueled by Jewish influence of a Midrash that taught that Monarchy is idolatry. q.v. Prof. Eric Nelson's book The Hebrew Republic. Eric Voeglin outs the Puritans as Gnostics. Then, the Puritans became Yankees and those Yankees became Abolitionists. 
 
The Abolitionists HATED the Southerners. So the KKK was not the first but a reaction to the HATE of Yankee (Gnostic) Imperialists in the South. The Yankees had NO respect for the South or Southern culture. The KKK was a self-defense force against the Forces of Gnosticism. 
 
Europeans have always created Caste societies from the Ayrans in India to the Dorians in Laconia and Crete to the Anglo-Saxons in the South. Gnostics hate, hate particularity and seek to destroy European culture through egalitarianism and the Gnostic "All men are created equal". 
 
Separation is the basis of peace---it is pushing Diversity together, is what causes violence.  Diversity + Proximity = Violence. 
 
Gnostics eschew Prudence; they live on Idealism. It is THEIR IDEALISM that breeds violence. 
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 2:05pm
Of course, you don’t want to walk because then you would have to see how children have more courage than you do. You would smell their sweat, see hunger, tears and violence and hear them crying. It is always funny to watch TV and write something “cool” on a platform and accuse everyone else of being a racist. This is how you guys work. It is the game from the nasty sibling who hits the little brother when the parents are looking away. And when he gets caught, he didn’t mean it. It is just pathetic on how you flip flop your own words and your poorly written “poem” that you proudly signed with your name and date.
I was counting on you being at least a little bit smart. How can you suggest that Trump orchestrated and paid this disaster? None can be blinder than the one who doesn’t want to see. There is enough proof about who is behind the whole tragedy but you keep projecting your hatred on the wrong person. Good for you! It is your decision! But at this point, you cannot even convince a dog to poop in the right place.
And listen, what tells you that the people from Honduras really want to leave their home country? Read my article again because you didn’t get the message.
And to your last point: You cannot compare tourists arriving by plane for whatever reasons with the poorest of the poor risking their lives to cross several borders and not by choice but under pressure and manipulation. And by the way, they don’t even have a passport so what is that you want to check? You cannot even make sure that some kids belong to the adults they are travelling with! And this is when you guys start an outcry because children get separated from “alleged parents”. Your romantic view of this chaos is despicable.
So, don’t walk, stay at home, have some tea and don’t forget your warm blanket.
You don’t like lies and injustice? Everything you write tells me the exact opposite.
I hate fake humanism, fake news and fake accusations.
This is the stuff the communist Democratic Party is made of. 
 
 
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 2:10pm
The answer above is for Mr. Opher.
Bill Kamps Added Nov 7, 2018 - 2:18pm
Diversity + Proximity = Violence. 
 
Sorry not how I see it, but we can agree to disagree.  I think Intolerance has to be in your equation somewhere.
 
In any event, hate crimes have been around a long time.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 2:40pm
Violence has been around forever. I do not use the term "hate crime" personally because it is NOT of Western Culture or Western heritage. It is the moral system of Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism. 
 
Bill, I'm an agricultural laborer; I work in the real world, the world of Nature. Nature segregates all by kind. The agrarian saying is "Birds of a feather flock together". Scripture has it, "Man shall cleave to his Like". The Natural Law is Like to Like. That is how a community is formed. Blood is thicker than water. If I want to live with my kinsmen and work with my kinsmen---why is there opposition to it?
 
See, your word "Intolerance" is How YOU people push your Globalist agenda!!!!  Your a globalist, a multiculturalist. I'm not. Yet, you will force YOUR agenda upon us. That was the whole thing about the Yankees in the South, ---Forcing their Masonic, Gnostic, Jewish Race-mixing upon the South. If I and my kinsmen push back---we are called Nazis, racist douchebags. Obama worked with the Department of Housing to put minorities in white communities. That's Force!  To use Federal Troops to force de-segregation is the Totalitarianism of YOU Bill, and your Multiculti-cultists!  You go out of your way to attack nationalists and prevent any whites to live amongst themselves. You shove your anti-morality down our throats. Your Intolerance is Totalitarianism.  
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 3:22pm
"No Borders"
 
"No Nations"
 
"F*ch Your Deportations"
 
Sign held by an Hispanic female. (Illegal Migrants boast of aiding Democrat campaigns)
 
Bill, if these people can not run a first world culture in their own countries---what makes you think they can do it here? Is that female a good citizen of America? Is this the type of people we want in this country?
 
How long will America last with that kind of attitude?
Troll Hunter Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:05pm
Dump took Billie Eilish's song "You Should See Me In A Crown" to heart...
John Minehan Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:11pm
Consider what "Donald" means in Gaelic . . . .
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:12pm
To Lindsay: The problem is not only the female Hispanic but the Americans in the communist Democratic Party who are promoting and welcoming this attitude. They are even delivering the signs in some cases and orchestrating the propaganda against their fellow citizens. The Dems-Mob and also Obama recently said that they needed the votes to help Non-Americans. The lady that you are addressing might be meanwhile American but her stand is disgusting as she is not showing allegiance to the country and/or the newly acquired citizenship. But on the other side, there are many American traitors and the Dems-Mob is infested with those. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:19pm
Sustna: "there are many American traitors". 
 
You are quite correct. Treason is being done by both Churches, Catholic and Protestant, by our Educational institutions--high schools, colleges, universities, and by people like Jeff Flake, McCain, Romney, Ryan, McConnell, RINOs and the whole Democrat party. 
 
Justice?  Where is the Justice? People are subverting this country---and nothing is done. Treason is the highest crime. How does a state survive when so many people are committing the highest crime!
 
 
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 4:32pm
To Lindsay: I am starting to believe that President Trump should have started the Military Tribunals before the Midterms. But on the other side, I am confident that he has a plan and all figured out already. Some traitors are really overdue. Obama and Hillary have an open war against the President, and B.O. has violated the Logan Act numerous times besides multiple other crimes. I don't understand how they are still walking around. You know what I was thinking? We could easily have multiple special elections if several Dems go to jail.......
Neil Lock Added Nov 7, 2018 - 5:11pm
Well, sure as hell I'm really pleased that I'm at least 3,000 miles away from what's going on in the USA right now. But I already told ya so. When "the" public is divided, there can be no republic.
 
We'll be back after these messages from ya local station...
John Minehan Added Nov 7, 2018 - 5:51pm
"Diversity + Proximity = Violence. 
 
Sorry not how I see it, but we can agree to disagree.  I think Intolerance has to be in your equation somewhere."
 
Bill, I agree with you and nicely put.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:00pm
I'm intolerant of Traitors, Genociders, Marxists. What good citizen is not?
 
"Righteousness is also accompanied by holiness and truth and loyalty and hatred of wickedness."
 
Traitors, Genociders, Marxists, are the face of wickedness. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:13pm
@Sustina:
”To Lindsay: I am starting to believe that President Trump should have started the Military Tribunals before the Midterms.”
 
Wow, this is why right-wingers frighten me.  Here we have one actually advocating Military Tribunals against civilians.  Holy crap.....
 
“You know what I was thinking? We could easily have multiple special elections if several Dems go to jail.......”
 
Yes, jail the opposition.  That’s an excellent plan.  We jail the lawfully elected members of our government.
 
Wow...I just...no, really I believe it.  Somehow it just doesn’t surprise me.
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:13pm
To Lindsay: Totally true. 
Did you read the new article already from Other California?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:15pm
@Neil Lock:
 
You are luckier than you will ever know.
 
In any case I voted yesterday.  A mixed bag really.  I think I’ll just write my own article about it.
Leroy Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:25pm
Sessions is out, thank goodness.  That may be one good outcome of the election.  Trump has more Republican Senators to back him.  Whitaker will take over.  He's expressed the opinion that Mueller needs to be reined in.  Hopefully, that will prevent any BS indictments.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:28pm
Well, it will certainly make it easier for Trump to shut down anything he finds troublesome or inconvenient.  I suppose it makes him very happy.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:36pm
Yes, I have read "other California's" post. It was good. 
 
Alex Jones, yesterday, said that the Democrat Party is completely converged with Globalism. He said, "They are not Americans". 
 
Jeffrey Kelly, the military tribunals are for those Government officials that have run a Coup-de-etat against President Trump! They used government services and assests to spy on Candidate Trump, authored false Warrants at the FISA court and leaked confidential information to the public in order to harm then candidate Trump. I have written it up here: The Liberals (Deep State) Coup Attempt of 2016 Against President Trump  
 
Treasonous crimes have been committed like spying on American citizens. There needs to be arrests. If no arrests, then there is No justice in America. Hillary had a private email server which had been hacked and Islamist extremists had that information for Benghazi and attacked. I believe her private unauthorized server led to the deaths of 4 Americans because she was hacked!  She belongs in jail. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:37pm
at the 12:35 min mark, where Alex Jones calls out the Democrat Party 
 
 
John Minehan Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:42pm
Mr. Kelly, We have a Constitution and, I hasten to add, Election to avoid things like "military tribunals." 
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 7, 2018 - 6:44pm
Whoever said it that gridlock was built into the system (by the Founders), that's true to a point.
 
The president wasn't meant to be a political post. It was meant to be the executive. (The experience of the colonists with their "Royal Governors" was that they were placed in power by the King at the request of the colonial legislature.) And the governor signed bills into laws and was the commander of the defense forces. So they had every reason to expect that the president would function approximately as a nation-wide "Royal Governor" like they were used to.  
 
The Senate wasn't supposed to be the politics-driven upper house that it is today. It was meant to represent the interests of the states to the federal government. That's why the delegates were put forward by the state legislatures. It was supposed to be a check on federal power against the states (and, as stated, represent the interests of the state governments). 
 
Since they changed to direct election of senators, the Senate has simply become obstructionists, blocking the will of the "real" legislative body of the House of Representatives, I'd argue. 
 
Seriously, living in a former British colony right now, it's so alien to see a peaceful and functioning government in place. The executive, the governor-general, is not political. He or she is put forward by the Prime Minister, approved by the Queen. But protocol means he (or she) is not to comment on politics. (And they don't.)
 
There once was an "upper house" of the Parliament (of New Zealand) which saw itself as useless, a rubber stamping body, so they voted themselves out of existence in the 1950's. (The Senate of New Zealand had a vote to no longer have a Senate, it was approved, no more Senate.)
 
There's no written constitution and no constitutional amendments. If they want to change a law, they have a vote in the (lower) House of Parliament and change it. The Governor General signs it into law (apparently the Governor General has the power to veto laws but has never exercised it). You know how they legalized gay marriage? They had a bill in Parliament, voted on it, signed into law. It took about a month. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:08pm
Military Tribunals, You laugh. 
 
Alex Jones is interviewing George Pappadopoulos who was a target. George comes out and names the Obama FBI, The Obama State Department, the Obama CIA as a conspiracy to dirty his name in order to get Trump. Alex Jones interview with George Pappadopoulos. (It should take you to the exact time in the YouTube)
 
Has George Pappadopoulos been interviewed by NBC?  By CBS? By Joe Scarborough?  By CNN?  
By Anderson Cooper?  By PBS?
 
NO. Because the Media was in on this coup!  The Media were in on the coup!  No better news source on this coup than Pappadopoulos!
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:09pm
The 24 min mark https://youtu.be/bFh4CNzCRHQ?t=1432
opher goodwin Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:10pm
Lindsay - I'm a good citizen and I'm not.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:12pm
Well, John Minehan, America is a Failed State. It is gone. It has no society. No rule of law anymore and we just suffered a coup-de-etat! And you think this is still a country?  Look Obama was NOT a Natural Born citizen---and the Democrat Party DID NOT CARE. And you think the Constitution still has any effect?  The colleges and Universities of America are subverting this country!  They DON'T CARE for the US Constitution; they give it lip service. This country is full of Traitors and you John are clamoring that we "have a constitution"!  So where were the people defending the Natural Born citizen clause in the Constitution?
 
N-0-W-H-E-R-E
opher goodwin Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:15pm
Thank you Mt Susitna. Daft though.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:27pm
Geezus, once again Lindsay and RNC operative Sustainpeddle mindlessly lie, lie and lie...and aren't challenged.  FJr explained how Trump wraps Trumpists around his little fingers by appealing to the hatreds of "good white people."  Orange Bilge will never change things to dial it down, but look how his images of young, strong men, arm in arm with diseased women and sick children in strollers were invading, just in time so they could vote and get armloads of "free stuff."  And despite the negative reaction from someone here, will mention again, Trump had to use the Army as stage props in his "border theatre" a spinoff of his reality TV show, "the United States of Trump."  Now to get te rightists howling and foaming at the mouth, will just mention Nancy Pelosi.  It will be hard giving up the Hillary hatred, but try and stay timely, at least, fascists.
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:37pm
To Jeffrey Kelly: So you haven't heard about this matter so far? Military Tribunals are meant for traitors to the United States of America. And it also looks like you didn't follow the Kavanaugh hearing. They talked openly about it and it is completely in accordance with the rule of law. Don't be shocked! Your buddies, I mean your communist buddies wanted to accept a fake accusation of rape and almost murder without any proof at all. Your witches Feinstein and Harris and abuser Booker where eager to break the law. They were happy to promote the lynching of an innocent man and father of two little girls! But I understand as a Democrat you don't have to follow any laws and when you defend yourself as a Republican you Jeffrey start crying and are deeply shocked. A clear case of selective outcry. Yes, Jeffrey civilians who betray the country have to pay for it. And now you can start with your memorized propaganda. Do you know how many journalists got Obama incarcerated while you were sleeping? How many civilians got terrorized by the IRS?
Check out Lindsay's comments about your beloved fake President Obama and what was really going on during his regime. No shock at all Jeffrey? I hope that you can sleep. Poor boy!
Susitna Added Nov 7, 2018 - 7:50pm
To Lindsay: I will watch the interview. But you need to understand that some softies here are not going to watch it and if they do they will deny everything and lie to themselves. They were for too long part of the brainwashing experiment or self-induced ignorance. And then they say completely shocked:
"daft though", "right-wingers", "shit", "racist", "mommy",
"uneducated Trump voters" etc. etc........
James Travil Added Nov 7, 2018 - 8:11pm
"Sessions is out, thank goodness. That may be one good outcome of the election.  "
We agree on that, although probably for different reasons. I'm glad the useless old fuck is gone because he was encouraging the DEA and local authorities to go after sellers and users of marijuana in states where it's legal! Nutjobs like him would bring back proabition and outlaw extramarital sex if they had their way. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 7, 2018 - 8:56pm
Spartacus,
I found your second comment confusing and then finally got it. I figured out what you think I’m saying. Back up a minute. 
 
My point is that White people who are terribly worried about losing their majority are worrying for no reason and so shouldn’t act so threatened by minorities, because their feeling threatened has bad consequences for minorities. 
 
I am NOT speaking for myself when making this point. I don’t identify racially because I think race is the wrong way to self-identify. Culture has nothing to do with race. Culture comes from ethnicity. If I tell you I’m White, that tells you far more about who I’m not than about who I am. To me, the only importance of race is who suffers because of it and, as a result, who needs help because of it. If race mattered to me, I wouldn’t have adopted interracially, but I have. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 7, 2018 - 9:10pm
. If race mattered to me, I wouldn’t have adopted interracially, but I have. 
 
Yet you had to virtue signal. 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 7, 2018 - 9:14pm
Whitaker will take over.  
 
Killary's biggest nightmare just came true. 
Spartacus Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:26pm
My point is that White people who are terribly worried about losing their majority are worrying for no reason and so shouldn’t act so threatened by minorities.
 
No, you still do not get it.  You are using fictitious labels for fictitious groups of people.  The only meaning that is relevant is what your own virtue identity group attaches to your words.  
 
Every single reference that uses a color tone for political identity has no legal definition and, as well, is unscientific.   In the next 20 years, all this will change for our culture (thank god).  It is just there are still these idiots, especially from the left but not exclusive, who still use these references for no other purpose than nefariously.  These political references are nearly ALWAYS used in a negative context.  
 
This professor does a pretty good job explaining it in this video.  I realize this is all new for you, as well as nearly every lefty, who are struggling with these concepts.  <video>
 
In the meantime, just expect me to shit all over anyone who uses skin tone to leverage some political argument.  Racist assholes.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:44pm
Yes, Jeffry, I had to virtue signal, because I realized what I’d written had been interpreted very differently than I meant it.
 
Spartacus,
Of course race doesn’t have a biological reality. However, it unfortunately still has a political reality, and pretending it doesn’t is not going to make it go away. The fact that we have a large population that has been put through multigenerational Hell for a fictitious biological reality isn’t negated by the fact that the biological reality is fictional. We have what amounts to a permanent underclass. That’s not good for us economically, socially, or politically. The problem cannot be fixed in anything like a timely fashion by snapping our fingers and pretending race doesn’t exist, particularly when policemen, prosecutors, employers, loan officers, and real estate agents aren’t all getting the message. 
 
My great aunt could have told the Nazis that there is no such thing as the Jewish race but I doubt it would have kept them from murdering her. In some ways this is analogous to religion: Whether or not the god exists, the priests do, and human sacrifices to nonexistent gods still leave corpses. 
 
We still have a problem. Even though the problem is based on a myth, we still have the problem. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 7, 2018 - 10:54pm
@Sustina:
”To Jeffrey Kelly: So you haven't heard about this matter so far? Military Tribunals are meant for traitors to the United States of America.”
 
You don’t know how treason is defined in the Constitution, do you?  Just a hint, political opposition doesn’t count.  If that was so all opposition parties would be guilty of it.  This includes the Republicans during the Obama years so quit yer bitchin’.
 
 
“And it also looks like you didn't follow the Kavanaugh hearing”
 
Did the Kavanaugh Hearing make you develop PTSD?
 
 
“They talked openly about it and it is completely in accordance with the rule of law.”
 
So, so, providing a witness that both sides questioned is treason???  Wow, never knew.
 
 
“Don't be shocked! Your buddies, I mean your communist buddies”
 
You wouldn’t know a Communist if one bit you on the butt, ran out in front of you and yelled “How do you do, comrade!!!!”
 
“wanted to accept a fake accusation of rape and almost murder without any proof at all.”
 
Yeah, no, this wasn’t a trial, it was a hearing.  Ford deserved to be heard and was.  In the end it didn’t matter.
 
“Your witches Feinstein and Harris and abuser Booker where eager to break the law.”
 
They broke the law????  If you have knowledge of a crime it’s your duty to report it, comrade.
 
“They were happy to promote the lynching of an innocent man and father of two little girls!”
 
My heart is literally breaking right now.  No, really, it’s kinda like that scene from “How the Grinch Stole Christmas” but not.
 
 
“But I understand as a Democrat you don't have to follow any laws”
 
Seriously this is what happens when someone watches too much Fox News or turns on a Trump rally.  
 
“and when you defend yourself as a Republican you Jeffrey start crying and are deeply shocked.”
 
No, what shocked me was that you wanted military tribunals to try citizens for treason.  That’s what authoritarians want, to try opposition for treason.  It makes the opposition less likely to, well, oppose.
 
“Do you know how many journalists got Obama incarcerated while you were sleeping?”
 
FFS Obama hasn’t been president for two years, Christ, let it go.
 
“No shock at all Jeffrey?”
 
The only thing that shocks me now is the continued stupidity of Trumplings.  And Lindsay can go shove a bible up his bookshelf.
 
“I hope that you can sleep. Poor boy!”
 
I sleep very well.  Thanks for showing such consideration, it’s awfully nice of you.
Susitna Added Nov 8, 2018 - 5:16am
To Jeffrey: I made you think, didn't I?
It is not about the political opposition it is about crimes committed in the past, my dear. And you know what happened with Kavanaugh, everybody knows, even the Dems witches. And yes, there will be an investigation because one lovely woman will go to jail thank to the precious advice from Harris. All the rest you wrote are just standard arguments that I have heard thousands of times and that you guys apply when you are pushed into a corner because Mommy is not here to help.
Obama talked about the "last administration" for 8 years! And now he is taking credit for the great economy! It is Obama who is violating the Logan Act, not me. How can we stop talking about him if he is still around spewing hatred? Give me a break!
I am talking about treason and you talk about The Bible? What did you say when Obama referred to the "Holy Quran"? He is Muslim, but you guys get offended when we mention his ideology. Why? I thought that all of you love all religions! Why should this be an offence?
Even Madonna knows that! 
According to you I just have to let go and forget about the incarcerated journalists and the IRS stopping freedom of speech. Mind-blowing! You are free to enjoy your good memories of Obama but don't put me in charge of helping you out with that. This is the chronic double standard from the left. Why don't you write a book: Dreams from my Obama.
Put some order into your line of thought.
You are just incredibly boring! 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Nov 8, 2018 - 6:20am
In June I wrote about President Trump being God's gift to women in being here to help elect the first woman president. My recent article uses the election results to reiterate same.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 8, 2018 - 7:03am
James Travail:
I'm glad the useless old fuck is gone because he was encouraging the DEA and local authorities to go after sellers and users of marijuana in states where it's legal! Nutjobs like him would bring back proabition and outlaw extramarital sex if they had their way.
The Hate of the Atheists towards Christian culture. Here, America is a majority Christian country---and James here is visciously attacking a WASP upholding his country! Atheists are destroyers too.
 
Atheists have always been the promoters of moral turpitude. They are reprobates. 
 
And we see that Koshersalaami and Spartacus have both come out as Genociders and they will actively pursue that program---while any one resists their efforts will be called "racist douchebags".  These people are as well evil to the core. 
 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 8, 2018 - 9:00am
I’m afraid you won’t understand genocide until you see the inside of a gas chamber, which I guess means you’ll never understand it. A visit to a Holocaust Museum might do the trick but, again, you’ll never understand it. In order to have genocide you need “cide.” Kindly quote where Spartacus or I have advocated killing anyone. Hell, quote where either of us have advocated persecuting anyone. Neither would be enough to prove genocide but it is a necessary component; without it your slander just becomes more obvious. 
 
Bear false witness much?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 8, 2018 - 11:10am
@Susitna:
”To Jeffrey: I made you think, didn't I?”
 
You did?

“It is not about the political opposition”
 
Sure it is.
 
“it is about crimes committed in the past,”
 
It is?
 
“my dear.”
 
I’m not your “dear.”  
 
“And you know what happened with Kavanaugh, everybody knows, even the Dems witches.”
 
Yes, I do.  A woman came forward with allegations against a nominee for the Supreme Court.  She was listened to and in the end it made no difference.
 
“And yes, there will be an investigation because one lovely woman will go to jail thank to the precious advice from Harris.”
 
If someone lied to a Congressional Committee this is perjury.  That is a crime, however, Dr. Ford is, AFAIK, not under investigation. 
 

“Obama talked about the "last administration" for 8 years!”
 
Yeah, because he was president those 8 years....is there some sort of weird disconnect going on here?  You do understand that President Obama was, in fact, President during that time?  Technically he was “the last administration.”
 
“And now he is taking credit for the great economy!”
 
Well, it definitely improved during his administration.  
 
“It is Obama who is violating the Logan Act, not me.”
 
WTF are you talking about?  The Logan Act (if this is what you are talking about) makes it a crime for an unauthorized person to negotiate for the US with a foreign power.
 
“How can we stop talking about him if he is still around spewing hatred?”
 
He is?  He can’t speak as a private citizen?  As a former President of the US?
He campaigned for Democratic candidates.  It’s perfectly legal for him to do so, just like Trump can do this for Republican candidates.  
 
“I am talking about treason”
 
What you are talking about isn’t treason, it’s not even close.
 
 
“What did you say when Obama referred to the "Holy Quran"?”
 
Well, it is the holy book for Muslims.  That doesn’t bother me, the same as if he said “Holy Bible” or whatever.
 
“He is Muslim,”
 
Actually he is Christian.
 
“but you guys get offended when we mention his ideology. Why? I thought that all of you love all religions! Why should this be an offence?”
 
I wouldn’t care if he was Muslim, I really don’t care what anyone’s religion is.  It’s irrelevant.
 
“According to you I just have to let go and forget about the incarcerated journalists”
 
OK, what journalists and what was the reason they were incarcerated?
 
“and the IRS stopping freedom of speech.”
 
I remember that but I don’t remember what happened.
 
“You are free to enjoy your good memories of Obama but don't put me in charge of helping you out with that.”
 
I’m not asking you to.
 
Susitna Added Nov 8, 2018 - 12:29pm
To Jeffrey: You are incredibly funny! I know that you have a good heart. 
Susitna Added Nov 8, 2018 - 12:42pm
To Jeffrey real quick: Check out what the Logan Act describes. I was referring to the international negotiations and meetings that Obama has been organizing with presidents, ministers etc. from other countries. As a private citizen, he is not allowed to do that. Do your homework, because it was painful to read your answer. Bad news to you: Obama is toast! 
Question: Would you also ask a Muslim to shove the Holy Quran up somewhere? I bet that you talk like this only when it comes to the Bible. 
Obama is a proud Muslim and he is also a good one. He has spent more money on his brothers than on our veterans. Check the numbers. They came out today.....
You are really funny!
Jim Stoner Added Nov 8, 2018 - 1:10pm
Jeffrey Kelly,  Nice try, but you cannot educate these nutjobs who take their talking points from Alex Jones.  There will be no military tribunals, there was no coup-de-etat, we still have our accidental President and he is a sleazy, corrupt con man, and President Obama, the best President we have had in the last 60 years, is a natural-born citizen. 
I will not reply to any stupid responses; if you have an intelligent one, I will read it and determine whether it merits a response. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 8, 2018 - 1:42pm
Hi, Jim.
 
Feel free to comment here:
On Midterms
 
I do still find it amazing that such a large segment of the population fell for that con job.  But at least the House is returning to some semblance of normalcy.
Roger Harned Added Nov 8, 2018 - 2:38pm
"unprecedented interest in the 2018 midterm elections this year"
 Yes! Glad to see it, but by the numbers too little interest, too late and for the wrong reasons.
 
Voter interest going forward into 2020 ought to be toward attracting the $money$ to better candidate choices in both parties before the primary elections.
 
PAC's yield too much influence, which favors incumbents. Positions rarely receive attention in political races because voters vote 'against' and not 'for' personalities tied to issues defined in the media by opponents.
 
In the US an astounding number of voters are not even registered to vote, which makes any incumbent claim of support of their positions on any issue spurious at best.
 
Sorry to say that I see little chance for change. $Money wins.
 
I would love to see my party and the other party give us an election choice we can VOTE FOR & not against.
 
I'm a moderate and I approve this message. :)
James Travil Added Nov 8, 2018 - 5:34pm
" Here, America is a majority Christian country---and James here is visciously attacking a WASP upholding his country! Atheists are destroyers too."
News flash you racist antisemitic scumbag, the WASP you're talking about is a dried up old vampire who want to govern AGAINST the will of the people. That is UNAMERICAN. You are UNAMERICAN and probably a bitch cowardly punk like that WASP POS. Go fuck yourself sideways on the double-headed dildo you rode in on! 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 8, 2018 - 8:00pm
Koshersalaami, you are not very bright are you. Rabbi Lemkin, who coined the term "genocide" talked how the Soviet Union had several methodologies of """""dissolving"""" the Ukranian nation; they moved large numbers out and then flooded their nation with other nationalities----Thus DISSOLVING the Ukranian nation. George Irbe also called this "Nation killing". 
 
To dissolve a nation is to Kill it---and you Jews have figured out quite a few ways to do it!  You have been genociding Europeans before WWII and after running around and saying "Never Again", engaged in Ethnic Dilution and other things to cause the dilution of the WASP here in America. You truly are ignorant of your own culpability and responsibility in Genocide of us. I posted my article on Genocide---I guess you refuse to read it.  Your bust. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 8, 2018 - 8:02pm
What have Atheists ever done except destroy Europe?  
 
Under Catholicism the Muslims were kept out of Europe. Under the control of you Atheists---Muslims are flooding Europe and America. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 8, 2018 - 8:35pm
James Travail, I'm for my people and PROUD OF it!  
 
I'm a Catholic Monarchist!  True. I'm NOT an American. My duty and loyalty is to uphold and maintain the Old Order, of Catholic England. I would have fought for the Loyalists. See that name "Loyalists". You are deconstructionists, nihilists, destroyers. 
 
And James---Nature didn't fit the Vulgar to rule and you show yourself quite the Vulgar kid. You are evil to the core. 
James Travil Added Nov 8, 2018 - 9:35pm
Whatever Grizzly Jones. You have proved that you are as "American" and "patriotic" as the Nazi flag. Governing against the will of the people is fascism plain and simple. And that's what you are sir a cowardly fascist. Like Sessions your days are numbered as are that of all fascist vermin. 
James Travil Added Nov 8, 2018 - 11:26pm
I meant Grizzly Adams before, brain fart 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 9, 2018 - 10:18am
President Obama, the best President we have had in the last 60 years
 
Hilarious.
 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 9, 2018 - 2:11pm
Lindsay, 
Jews have zero to do with the dissolution of the Ukraine. In terms of that kind of cultural eradication, the Soviets tried it on us. It ultimately didn’t work. We don’t dissolve cultures. Your usual slander. 
 
The truth about you is that you’re a tribal wannabe. I don’t let my tribalism get in the way of my nationalism in that I want my country to be the best it can be, and justice is a huge part of the ethos of my tribe, but I’m more tribal than you’ll ever be, and I enjoy belonging to one. It can be a very supportive community. You don’t belong to a tribe most people recognize and, worse, you don’t belong to a tribe that self-identifies as one. Damned near the entire membership of my tribe identifies themselves as belonging to it. People go through years of education to join my tribe. 
People glance at my avatar and know immediately what tribe I belong to. 
 
So you belong to the Catholic Monarchists tribe. Yeah, we’ve all heard of that one. There are Catholic Monarchist bumper stickers everywhere. Catholic Monarchists tend to marry other Catholic Monarchists so they can bring up their kids as Catholic Monarchists and you send your kids to Catholic Monarchist School. You work out at the CMCC, the Catholic Monarchist Community Center. When you want the food you grew up with, you open a Catholic Monarchist Recipes cookbook and now there are Catholic Monarchist restaurants springing up in Brooklyn. Your grandparents spoke Catholic Monarchish as their native language. And then there are all those traditional Catholic Monarchist folk dances to which people wear traditional Catholic Monarchist costumes and they play Catholic Monarchist music while they teach their kids Catholic Monarchist songs. 
 
Don’t let those rich Catholic Monarchist desserts go to your wasteline. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 9, 2018 - 2:36pm
Koshersalaami---READ IT:
 
The Many Forms of Genocide: Hard and Soft.
 
I have posted this by Prof. Kevin MacDonald:
Jewish Involvement in Shaping American
Immigration Policy 1881-1965: A Historical Review
 
There---Right there:  Ethnic Dilution!
 
Well, let's look at what another Jew said: 
 
said “kind of utopia…the whole world will mix up with each other…there will be no white people anymore…only Cappuccino colored people.” Anthony Bourdain, (Jewish) replies “That is the Only Solution, turning all people …into a Singapore model. Hopelessly intertwined.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21wEADMn-zI  Min. 3:32. Published on Jun 8, 2018
 
Yes, the FINAL Solution for the Whites!!!!!
 
Koshersalaami, There it is. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 9, 2018 - 3:00pm
I left the Catholic tribe a long time ago.  I’m a much better person for it.  
 
I work out with the Southern Baptist Tribe at the local YMCA.
 
:)
 
Lindsay, the only thing going for you is at least you don’t deny the Holocaust.  Now the repulsive bit is you think what the Germans did was justified but at least you don’t deny it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 9, 2018 - 3:01pm
It does look like a Blue Wave happened. There are still absentee ballots being counted in many places but that’s what we know so far.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 9, 2018 - 3:18pm
Lindsay,
There are over fifteen million Jews in the world. We are by no means monolithic in terms of our opinions. In fact, we have a saying:
 
If you put two Jews in a room, you get three arguments.
 
You keep quoting Jews as if they’re all representing Judaism as a whole. They’re not. There is widespread agreement on certain things but you haven’t found any of them. Anthony Bourdain said he’d never been in a synagogue and didn’t believe in a higher power. So you think he represented Jews because.......
 
Never mind, it’s because he agreed with your assessment of Jews. 
 
There are no examples I know of of specifically Jewish efforts in modern history (I’m not going to argue about Bible stories) to eradicate any people, tribe, nation, either physically or culturally. I’m not going to say there aren’t any Jews who think this would be a good idea, but there are Jewish murderers and yet Judaism does not condone murder. The same is true of tribal eradication. 
 
I am in a far better position to be aware of such things than you are. After all, Jews don’t tend to keep Jewish secrets from me and, in terms of Jewish doctrine, I would be approached in ways you would not be. The idea that you would have more expertise about Judaism and Jews than I would is beyond ludicrous. 
 
That statement could lead to your very own conspiracy theory, except that if I were anti-tribal, I wouldn’t hide it, I’d advocate for it. Why not? There are plenty of people who do. I’m usually on the other side of such arguments, being as a lot of atheists, including here, have told me what a terrible thing religion is, in part because it’s divisive. I am on the opposite side of that argument. In fact, there are conservatives on this site who were rather surprised to find me allied with them about anything, but I am about that. 
 
 
 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 9, 2018 - 4:06pm
Koshersalaami, this: "You keep quoting Jews as if they’re all representing Judaism as a whole. They’re not."
 
I have heard that excuse many times. That is the excuse you all give to skirt your responsibility and culpability. 
 
Just earlier in this thread you said, "Race doesn't exist" or words to that affect. Whether you want to admit or not---that is Jewish Messianism!  You are a participant in that. You go around and call us Nazis, Racists and bigots.  
 
Doing that is deracinating. You do NOT want any European to be for his people. You just excoriated me for being my people---and then claim: You keep quoting Jews as if they’re all representing Judaism as a whole. They’re not.
 
To say Race doesn't exist is Deconstructionism of nature--therefore Genocidal. It is an act of Genocide to say Race doesn't exist. Hitler records in Mein Kampf that the Democratic Socialism in their unions was going around saying Nations are a capitalist construct!!!  This was when he was a young man. 
 
That is Genocide. You are doing the same thing the Democrat Socialists in Vienna, Austria were doing!!!!!!
 
YOUR OWN F**KING WORDS:
 
Spartacus,
Of course race doesn’t have a biological reality. However, it unfortunately still has a political reality, and pretending it doesn’t is not going to make it go away. 
 
I don't know what is going on. but Koshersalaami, saying it is NOT a biological reality, or even a reality---you are part of the program of SOFT genocide!!!  You're engaged in Genocide!  You may not be religious---but your attitude is a RACIAL instinct of the Jews. That is what makes up Jewish Messianism!  YOU ARE PART OF IT!
 
 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 9, 2018 - 4:25pm
All Germans are responsible for the Holocaust. 
 
All Europeans are responsible for the Holocaust. 
 
Israel today is still holding the Holocaust over the head of the Germans!
 
Roman Catholicism is responsible for the Holocaust and centuries of anti-semitism
 
Jews are as Pure as the Wind-driven-snow!  
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 9, 2018 - 4:44pm
Koshersalaami, how do you explain the same thing going on 100 years apart. In the 1910s, in Vienna, Austria, the Jewish led Democratic Socialists were telling German Austrians that "nations are a capitalist construct" and you today saying almost the same thing?
 
Adolf Hitler also remarks, just like now, between you and me here, that he argued vigorously with them about keeping his nation and culture and they threatened him with violence!  He had to leave TWO Construction jobs because of the violence of these Democratic Socialists who were preaching Internationalism!
 
What do you think AntiFa is doing right now?  Didn't Ben Shapiro, Jewish, say, "We will hunt down racists and hurt their careers"!
 
The same stuff is happening!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 9, 2018 - 5:15pm
Wow, yep, Lindsay is in full meltdown mode.
 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 9, 2018 - 6:18pm
Koshersalaami writes: So you belong to the Catholic Monarchists tribe.
 
Catholic is a religion. 
 
Monarchist is politics.
 
NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS TRIBE!
 
What kind of babytalk or babythink do you  babble on about?
 
"Wheeler" is an ANGLO-SAXON NAME, you bloomin' idiot!
 
"Lindsay" is a pure ANGLO-SAXON NAME, you bloomin idiot.
 
My tribe is the Anglo-Saxons, YOU BlOODY IGNORAMUS! My dad was an Anglo-Saxon whose forefathers came over on the Mayflower.  We built this damn country---NOT YOU!
 
You really are THICK.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 9, 2018 - 9:53pm
Aaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhh, listen to the racist, KS!!!!!!  He looks like a psychotic George RR Martin!!!!!!
 
Winter Is Coming, damnit!!!!!
Koshersalaami Added Nov 10, 2018 - 1:25am
And you think there is strong Anglo-Saxon tribal indentity here? I haven’t seen a lot of evidence of that. For one thing,the majority of Americans who can identify their primary ancestral country of origin do not identify England, they identify Germany. 
 
Race as a biological construct doesn’t exist. However, that doesn’t mean that tribes don’t exist. Culture doesn’t come from race, it comes from ethnicity. Acknowledging that race is not a valid biological construct has nothing to do with eliminating ethnicity. I don’t favor ethnic or cultural eradication. 
 
The idea that Jews as a people support cultural eradication is complete, utter, unmitigated Bullshit. If we did, we wouldn’t keep our own culture. We wouldn’t care if Israel existed because it would be pointless. And yet here I am, proudly waving my cultural flag every time I leave a comment. 
 
Only you could write about Adolf Hitler as victim. I’ve heard of Reverse Racism before, but this is ridiculous. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 10, 2018 - 9:23am
Koshersalaami, I honestly can’t read what Lindsay writes anymore.  I’ve dealt with antisemites and Holocaust deniers across the spectrum and I find Lindsay one of the more disturbing characters.  He is no denier but his hyper-identification with White nationalism makes him believe and say very disturbing things.  On one of my articles he essentially told me the Jews deserved it.  
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 10, 2018 - 11:02am
Koshersalaami writes: "Race as a biological construct doesn’t exist. However, that doesn’t mean that tribes don’t exist. Culture doesn’t come from race, it comes from ethnicity."
 
Kosher, Kosher, Kosher. Race as a biological construct doesn't exist....it comes from ethnicity!!!!!
 
"Ethnicity" is a Greek word for Nation, for Tribe---you bloody idiot! The word "race" is a 15 century French word for "Breed". 
 
Do Breeds exist? Kosher?  Can I not BREED consistently Dalmations?  Are Dalmations different from Russell Terriers?  Do Dalmations hunt rats the same way as Russell Terriers?  Kosher---Dalmations do not even go after rats----Russell Terriers go after rats because they were bred to do that!!!!!  Race means Breed. Do Breeds exist biologically?
 
I work and have worked on farms you priggin idiot!  You must be an urban slob that just mouths stupid stuff---and your comments are asinine!
 
The Greek word Ethnicity MEANS THE SAME THING AS RACE IN THE GREEK, You flamin, idiotes! I lived in Greece. I'm familiar with both Classical Greek and Biblical Greek---you, Kosher, are one flamin' historical/philological ignoramus!  
 
Yes, Culture comes out of Race/nationality/ethnos!  It is the English language and the milieu of the Anglo-sphere that gave different contexts to those words---but the English contexts to those words---DON'T CARRY OVER TO THE NATIVE SPEAKERS OF ITALIAN, OF GREEK, OF LATIN!  
 
You are not educated.  You are not well-read. You have no familiarity with Greek/Latin texts. The Greek word "ethnos" in the Septuagint and in the NT are translated into the Latin "nation". Nation means, in the Latin, a group of interrelated, homogeneous people!  The Latin "natus" means Birth, i.e. The Same Birth---i.e. the same Patriarch!  
 
Ohh, tell me, only the Jews had a Patriarch?  NO, every Nation on the earth had a Patriarch!  Except all the gentile nations have lost memory of them! The ancient Greek tribes of the Ionians, and Dorians remember theirs in their texts. 
 
Black Skin, slanted eyes, are all racial traits PASSED DOWN. They are a biological reality!  Race, which means Breed in Italian, (razzo), is a biological reality. Every Farmer deals with Breeds. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 10, 2018 - 11:11am
Responsibility. It's called Karma, James. It's called Justice. 
Here is E. Michael Jones, a Roman Catholic, talking about the shooting at the Jewish synagogue
Koshersalaami Added Nov 10, 2018 - 3:27pm
Lindsay,
What they meant in Greek is not how they’re used now. You sound like the idiots who insist that antisemitism means anti-Arab. Technically it should but in terms of generally understood usage it doesn’t. When most people talk about race, they mean Caucasian, African, Asian, Native American, Pacific Islander. When they talk about ethnicity they mean Irish, German, Polish, Jewish, Chinese. The problem is that when they talk about Black in the US the race line and the ethnicity line are pretty close, the difference mainly being in the extremely different ethnicity of Blacks from the Caribbean islands. Because the lines are close, and because of the legacy of slavery, people talk about race when it comes to Blacks when ethnicity is really a more accurate concept for what they mean. 
 
There’s a further problem in that there is one case where the same thing happens with Whites. For White Americans whose ancestry no longer really transmits much culture to them, meaning they don’t have a distinct ethnicity, White is used to designate their ethnicity, sort of an average White American, as that is the best ethnic description they have and their culture has to come from somewhere. 
 
For Whites who do have an ethnicity, identifying them as White (like me, for example) tells people more about who we aren’t than about who we are. 
 
You can try to change the meanings of words all you want, but non-standard use just leads to unsuccessful communication. You can use Race to mean ethnicity but all you’ll do is confuse most people. The purpose of language is communication. By this standard, you’re failing. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:03pm
But it is not you who is changing definitions?  I who use the ORIGINAL MEANING OF WORDS---and you tell me I'm changing definitions!  What a hoot!
 
If everybody walked off the bridge---Would you follow?  Just because the ignorant masses do things--we should follow the ignorant masses?  Like how many of those ignorant masses have any knowledge of Greek or Latin?  You certainly do not!  And I should follow you?  
 
"White" is NOT a race, nor an ethnicity, nor a nation. It was created as a slang term of convenience here in America because of the bringing in of African slaves. It is colloquial not scientific. I'm using Scientific terms---and you say we must use Colloquial terms. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:37pm
I’m not arguing in favor of colloquial terms, but no, it is not I who is changing definitions. They were changed in common American English usage before my time. I’m not coming along saying “Let’s change the Greek.” 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:38pm
By the way, recent genetic studies in Germany show that the German population really consists of two separate peoples. So there was never a master race because Germany didn’t have one of what you would call a race. 
Jim Stoner Added Nov 10, 2018 - 9:26pm
Koshersalaami:  I don't like much your analogy between Lindsay's etymological discussion and those who insist that Arabs are Semites.  It is true that the use of "anti-Semite" is colloquially used instead of "anti-Jewish":  that is a euphemism which muddies the communication.  You, who argued so persuasively for clear communication, should understand that. 
There's a whole discussion about what Semite ethnicity is vs. what the Zionist project is vs. what the (somewhat) secular state of Israel is or should be, and how that relates to that other legitimately-Semitic population in the region (and in Israel), the Palestinian Arabs--better some other time .   
I recommend for some on this panel the nonfiction work Sapiens, by Yuval Noah Harari.  He starts by demolishing the idea that any of this kind of distinction is real--the identity of the human species is much more meaningful--but then emphasizes the importance of shared fictions in people's experience.   In my view, we need to cherish and preserve these fictions as an element of our culture, but it is better to share them and enhance our civilization, which is the most important thing. 
And--bringing it back to the original topic--that is the thing that this political power struggle in the US is about:  Are we Americans something distinct from the world, requiring us to stay apart from it, or do we realize that we must be part of it, and we must participate actively in it for that reason?  
"Participate" does not mean dominate, but it does mean that we contribute and derive benefit from it, and we have benefited enormously from the postwar political order we helped create. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 10, 2018 - 9:58pm
Jim,
I”m not arguing about “Semite.” That can mean Arab. I’m specifically arguing about “antisemite” which is not used to mean anti-Arab. Actually, if you look at my wording, I was quite clear about that. It’s sort of paradoxical that “Semite” or “Semitic” and “antisemite” aren’t used to apply to the same populations but, in popular usage, they aren’t. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 11:50am
Koshersalaami, you write: Race as a biological construct doesn’t exist
 
The word "Race" comes from an Italian word "razzo" which means breeds. Your whole sentence is False. Breeds do exist. Dalmations exist and Russell Terriers exist. They are two breeds---but they act very very differently. Are they culturally formed?  Or are they by Instinct?
 
Are Leaf-cutter ants different from Army Ants?  How do these "breeds" differentiate?  Do they train each other in culture?  Does the environment form them, or is it by Instinct?
 
See, I pull examples out of Nature to prove your sentence False. 
Dawn Foss Added Nov 13, 2018 - 7:26am
I haven’t been on writer beat for a while but wanted to come back. As far as the midterm elections, I have to say I am glad how they turned out, although I wish the Republicans had the house too.  It is amazing to me how close these races are in so many states though. We are actually a divided country. I really believe that this is not just political though. I believe there is a spiritual battle going on and Satan knows that his time is short. I believe that the repulsive, hostile behaviors we are seeing are based on an evil influence that is very powerful. 2 Corinthians 6:2: “behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.” I believe that the Lord will be coming soon to rapture the church. Now is the time to accept Jesus as your Savior if you have not done so. Time is short.  We are all sinners in need of a Savior. That is the bottom line underlying truth behind all the problems in the world. Trusting Christ as our Savior is Something we each need to do ourselves personally with God. I did as an 8 yr old child and 40 years later I can say it was the best decision I ever made. God is good, and Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. That’s what we all want isn’t it? 
John Howard Added Nov 14, 2018 - 4:51pm
Dawn,
 
I am also fascinated by the consistent "closeness" of all the major races, something I have been watching for a couple of decades now.
 
I can only theorize, but I do so as follows:
 
The MSM (including all pollsters) will, no matter what the truth, always report that the candidates are "neck and neck".  This serves two very important purposes:
 
1) It will keep people glued to their TV's (watching advertisements) since a close race is exciting and anxious.
 
2) Manipulating the outcome through vote fraud - whether by machine or dead voters - is easier to sell if only a small percentage is needed to shift the result.  If it's "neck and neck", any result is plausible.
 
I stopped voting years ago, about the time they began introducing the voting machines and I learned that the software in the machines was a secret.  It was "proprietary", don't you know - as in "private property".  When I look at all the evil power of government it strikes me as silly to assume that they would NOT have full control of the elections and the MSM.   
Dawn Foss Added Nov 15, 2018 - 7:45am
You make some great points! Honesty is hard to come by these days.
John Howard Added Nov 15, 2018 - 8:29am
Dawn,
 
It always was.
Dawn Foss Added Nov 16, 2018 - 6:56am
True! But it seems that these days leadership in America lacks some basic scruples that was once common sense.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 16, 2018 - 7:34am
The system was not developed to handle this level of abuse. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 16, 2018 - 7:42am
Lindsay,
You asked if they were culturally formed or instinct. Human tribes are not purpose-bred like dog breeds. We have populations that have similar genetic makeup but different environmental circumstances and the circumstances make more of a difference because they are more differentiated than the breeding is.