Gavin Newsom And the Further Decline of California

The Republicans hardly offered an irresistable alternative to the ultra-Left, progressive candidate Gavin Newsom who was ultimately elected to the the governor's office in Sacramento but that is cold comfort to those of us in California who work for a living, believe in self sufficiency, and hold that the success of America and California will never come from the offices of Sacramento or Washington. Newsom outlined why this state, already beset with corruption and incompetence in our Courts, Legislature and Executive took another step down on the Democrat path to predictable failure for the once great, late state of California. Newsom cited California's success, wealth, and status as 'too big to fail' in cringeworthy crowing of his crowning. Too harsh? Read on and I'll tell you why not by half.

 

CALIFORNIA, TOO BIG TO FAIL?

Well, with classic Nancy Pelosi, 'You have to pass a bill to find out what's in it ...'  credibility Newsom passes off another Democrat/progressive lie that Californians and America will rue. California is teetering on the precipice of resource depletion, death by a thousand taxes, and an overheated real estate market that will melt the supports sustaining our 5th largest in the world economy. He doesn't stop there. Newsom warns us surreptitiously that going forward HE will promote the demise through grandiose schemes to create Utopia, Shangri La in California ... for ALL the people of the planet! The Ginsu Knife hawkers have nothing on Newsom in the world of, '... but wait, there's more!' and the disappointment for both is predictable. Like the knife of late night commercials, the Democrat plan pushed by Newsom is a classic case of the price tag belying the real quality of the product. The fundamental flaw in Newsom's claim that California is 'too big to fail' (implying success guaranteed) is that businesses and government are not nearly the same. America survives as a civilization on our banks, manufacturers, and businesses. America survives in spite of our Government.

 

CALIFORNIA IS THE TREND SETTER FOR THE REST OF AMERICA?

Just when you thought there was no more of your intelligence for Gavin Newsom to insult here come's this jewel of a slap in the face. To begin, California is not operating as a success today. Our infrastructure is a shambles (for the 5th largest economy on Earth), our cities are covered in excrement and hordes of derelicts and criminals, and our people are living under restrictions and rationing of the very necessaries that sustain life. But even if you discount those and point to the bright spots of life in California, which I will be the first to agree are many and significant the fact remains that the rest of the 50 states don't share our climate, our cache, and our momentum that continues to preserve, even as we plummet our standard of living. Can you imagine raising West Virginia or South Dakota or New Mexico on the Democrat regime of California alone? You'd have to be huffing what Gavin Newsom is high on to form that vision.

 

California didn't get great on socialism and open borders. California history reports a more gritty and often hard core ascent that in retrospect should at least have America considering would California be as great if it had begun as a Sacramento Democrat principality? Certainly we do well to strive for a more refined, civilized and just California as the fact is undeniable that California owes its greatness not only to the visionaries, the ruthless, and serendipity but to the hard work of faithful Americans who after the heady euphoria of 'gold rushes' abate knuckle down and create their own successes that come together to make California's success. Gavin Newsom, the Democrats and those who clammer for 'more free stuff' are not even 'also rans' in this race.

 

WHAT IS THE VALUE OF SOVEREIGNTY?

California, the sovereign state is on the cusp of capitulation to political cynicism. Start from the certainty that the Founding Fathers did not write a suicide pact in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and you cannot escape that WE must be a distinct and identifiable entity and not some nebulous, all inclusive, borderless state of slaves awaiting the next tide of tyrants to arrive to rule us. Math does not matter to Newsom and his ilk but the arithmetic does not lie, there is only so much California, so much America to go around. The reality is that the World, first and foremost must pull itself up by its own bootstraps and foreign intervention, charity from abroad (read: America) and the artsy, fartsy message of the poem, monetized to fund the Statue of Liberty, "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses ..." is no scripture for a sovereign people to follow if they are to survive.

 

The bottom line is that the nations of the other continents must be realized for their potential by their own, at home. The reality is that when America, California commit to take an unregulated mass of problem cases to rehabilitate and form into U.S. grade, productive citizens in the shape of Americans committed to the vision of Our Founding Fathers all that IS America is put at peril. The moral imperative here is 'tough love' and the integrity of America is demonstrated in our humility in eschewing claims of 'too big to fail' and pretending that as long as we elect Democrats, progressives, and liberals of the stipe that has come to define California politically can change the world. The world will eat our lunch while we sit in our ivory towers congratulating ourselves on how Newsom we are.

 

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Comments

rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 9, 2018 - 3:15pm
Get out of CA!! It is going down. 
Kristen Foley Added Nov 9, 2018 - 4:15pm
Republicans could have ran Ronald Reagan in his prime and Newsom would have won without batting an eyelash.
 
The fact real estate prices are up is a product of demand outstripping supply.  So if things were as bad as you say, there should be lower demand and prices should be coming down.  So perhaps things aren’t as bad as you think.
 
Perhaps one of the reasons California is doing so great despite all these headwinds from government is because of its border policy.  After all, the more illegals the cheaper the labor.  Cheaper labor helps drive the cost of living down.  It also makes it possible for many agricultural industries to be profitable.  Can you imagine how much more expensive it would be to pick fruit off California’s trees if it weren’t for their labor.  Just think of all the businesses and industries that would fizzle away if American Citizens were the only source of labor in California. 
Troll Hunter Added Nov 9, 2018 - 4:39pm
Things are fine here in CA.  Once we got rid of the republican stranglehold on the state, we turned our finances right around and we're booming.  Taxes on pot will help keep us funded until the Martians attack us from outer space.
Spartacus Added Nov 9, 2018 - 4:41pm
 Just think of all the businesses and industries that would fizzle away if American Citizens were the only source of labor in California. 
 
 cacca from elitists.  So what if they are breaking the law . . . 
 
Same logic as what these progressive idiots who also say:
"Just think of all the middle-class people if we could only raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and tax everyone at 50%."
Jeff Michka Added Nov 9, 2018 - 4:46pm
Another rightist troll/alarmist, trying to Trump by throwing red meat to "the faithful" to keep them riled over migrants, as "good white people' grab their guns and shoot college kids in a bar.  Now, I'm sure some cryptofascist here will, "But whaddabout Steve Scalise?"  wHAADABOUT him?  At best this is another white nationalist rant.  Gee. How special.  Something we don't see on WB every day, huh?
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 9, 2018 - 5:06pm
Mogg, I see you are actively working to enter this community. Welcome! I think we will have a good discussion. Many of those who decry the political left are little more than illiterate ranters, but you clearly are a very good writer and one who has thought out your positions. I will be glad to be in competition with you on viewpoints.
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 9, 2018 - 5:25pm
Kristen Foley - California debt has been downgraded (made more expensive for taxpayers and harder to get funding) and the full impact of the Liberal Sacramento policies are yet to be felt. Rent control didn't get on the ballot in 2018 because renters find lots of affordable housing. Middle class jobs filled by green card holders won't help California's standard of living for citizens and when green card holders become citizens their jobs go to other GCH's and these new citizens get in line with the rest of California competing for scarce middle class employment. Wake up, girl.
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 9, 2018 - 5:37pm
Even A Broken Clock - May I call you Clock? Thanks for the welcome. I look forward to our exchanges, may they be cogent and reasonable. Where shall we start? The Left as a whole is tricky ground. IMO, all political labels are problematic. I myself am a lifelong registered Democrat who obviously doesn't embrace the DP in the 21st Century.
That said you will find me referring to them as the Left, the Democrats and Liberals interchangeably. Open borders, fixation on LGBTQ/race/women/etc., and the like are what defines the LDL's for me.
 
As a 'senior' I have arrived at the conclusion that once again our parents were a lot smarter than we give them credit for. I am continually amazed at how authority figures in the public eye, be they journalists, politicians, or academics today fall so short of wise and sensible. Given so many of us hang on the Media/party/celebrity line for our opinions that puts America in the deep doo. You can imagine the full impact on the likes of me who loves this Nation and fully believes we rate saving. And saving means going back to our basics.
Ken Added Nov 9, 2018 - 6:18pm
CA is a one party state.  Ronald Reagan couldn't get elected here today.  Newsom is a sleazeball, and we just get one nutter after another.
Ken Added Nov 9, 2018 - 6:20pm
It doesn't really matter what they do to us tho when voters elect to keep going deeper and deeper into debt by approving every bond measure ever put on the ballot and continually voting to raise our own taxes.  We truly deserve what we get.  Too many in this state are just too stupid to understand what they are doing.
Ken Added Nov 9, 2018 - 6:29pm
Perhaps one of the reasons California is doing so great despite all these headwinds from government is because of its border policy
 
nope.  Over 100,000 business have fled CA in the past decade.  over 50% of people in CA are on some sort of subsistence.  CA is only surviving on federal handouts  there is a deficit gap so large in the CA budget you could park a battleship in it and not see the other side.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 9, 2018 - 8:49pm
Of course, ol rightist pig, Kenny offers no proof about what is really going on in California.  Burn, baby, burn...LOL
Ken Added Nov 9, 2018 - 9:58pm
goldminor Added Nov 10, 2018 - 1:14am
A good example of the downhill slide in California is the recent spate of deadly wildfires which have taken lives, and destroyed homes and infrastructure on a large scale. While Brown has forced the Bullet Train to Nowhere upon the state costing untold billions, he has neglected a very upfront problem that California has always been susceptible to dry spells, and thus large wildfires.
 
Where is the fleet of standby air tankers ready to take off at a moments notice to save lives and homes as needed in case of fire storm outbreaks? Plus there should also be a standing force of emergency crews ready for these firestorms. If you say what about cost, then I would answer look what the fires have already cost us.
 
What did Brown do to alleviate water worries in a state which has grown its population by over 400% in my lifetime of 68 years?  Especially, as history shows us clearly the ups and downs of water flows in this state have always been highly variable. Brown is a Californian. One would think that he would have some clue as to some of these thoughts which I raise here. Yet his actions over the last 3 terms of his governorship show that either he has no regard for the reality of the states history, or that his liberal mind set blinds him to that reality.
 
The author of this post is correct that this state will continue to suffer greatly in the years ahead. A severe cold spell looms ahead for the Northern Hemisphere, imo. This is the first winter where it will clearly show itself as I predicted back in early 2014. Once started it will hold sway into the early 2030s, before conditions switch back to more favorable weather patterns for human life. Although, there is some level of probability that the cold trend will turn into a double dip grand solar minimum. If that occurs, then the cold trend can go very deep lasting into the 2060s. Yet Brown has had his head firmly stuck into the AGW warming meme. Stay tuned, the future is going to get very exciting in the years which lay ahead for us.
goldminor Added Nov 10, 2018 - 1:29am
I remember my father telling me how in his younger days in pre WW2 California how he and my mom would help bring in the harvests back then along with other young Californians. The work ethic was very different back then as compared to today's youth. It would be of great benefit for many of today's younger folk for them to do similar for a few seasons. Too many have little understanding of where their food comes from, or the dignity and benefit of doing hard work to sustain themselves. There are important lessons to be learned from doing such, imo.
Dino Manalis Added Nov 10, 2018 - 8:02am
 Taxpayer money should be spent carefully and wisely, while people must be protected from wildfires!
John Minehan Added Nov 10, 2018 - 8:28am
Gavin Newsom seems to be a rank opportunist. 
 
He is the guy who, as a mayor, officiated at the marriages of gay couples in defiance of existing law (and got his name in the papers).
 
Isn't he also Kimberly Gullifoyle's (spelling?) ex-husband?
 
Seems to have been an eventful life, in any event. 
Marty Koval Added Nov 10, 2018 - 8:49am
There is sufficient documentation to demonstrate that religion and moral values are a requirement not only for the success of a civilization and the State of California, but for its very survival.
 
A civilization or State of California must have a religious or moral framework that promotes unity and provides a model for cooperation and social cohesion. It is a proven fact that you cannot successfully maintaining moral life without the aid of religion.
 
History has shown that when a society or in this case California becomes morally corrupt, civility is destroyed, the society becomes unstable, and inevitably the state slides towards collapse.  Religion delineates the line between right and wrong, drawing the line in an indelible ink that cannot be altered as the society matures and grows.
 
California for decades has been slowly, but methodically, degenerating into a collapsed state. The main driver of this collapsed is due to decades of degeneration of moral values and the vast majority of people rejecting God.
 
Wake up California, before it is too late. Turn away from your sinful, immoral, godless ways.
Bill H. Added Nov 10, 2018 - 11:07am
 
Went there last year to visit my brother and friends near L.A. Every time I go there the traffic is twice as bad as the time before. They have this thing called "rush hour" which used to be from 5 PM to 6 PM. Upon every new visit, it got longer. Now it starts at about 2 PM and lasts until 7:30 PM. On some freeways, it is total congestion all day.
The fire situation is very sad indeed. The causes are many, including obvious lack of rain, which has turned all of the trees in the mountains into sap-filled torches. Years back, the forests in the mountains were a beautiful shiny green. Now they look like the olive drab color of a WW@ military jeep.  Everywhere I drove, the hills were brown and dry. Some of the fishing streams we visited in years past were bone-dry. The several fishing lakes we went to were about half the size that they were on my last visit.
The big problem is that they have totally overdeveloped over the last 20 years. Many of the surrounding hills that were open and empty just 5 years ago were totally covered in condominiums and closely-crammed houses. Developers have been allowed to build in areas that are dangerous firetraps, and would have never been considered for mass housing in years back. Many of these "neighborhoods" were also poorly planned, with only one road leading out thru dense brush or trees.
The issues that will continue to deteriorate California are overdevelopment, lack of water, and increasing traffic problems. Seems that everyone wants to move there, but there is no room left for anyone from what I could see.
Again, overpopulation is the cause of all problems.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 10, 2018 - 12:45pm
Let the good citizens continue to leave California and allow as many illegal aliens vote as possible and merely refuse to bail out this state when it enters fiscal oblivion. 
 
The CA debt soars to levels that cannot be contained or serviced. 
 
Let them fail and get out soon .
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 10, 2018 - 1:38pm
Kudos to the several who posted here presenting their contra-Liberal observations of California's decline. Resource depletion, overcrowding, transportation gridlock, not to mention the failure of personal responsibility and moral integrity fostered by Liberals, exploited by the Democrats and increasingly supported by hordes of invading reprobates from the other 49 states and across our national borders. Many of these problems are a matter of simple math that belies the monumental perils of the blue state disease. Only slightly different is the calculus that computes the effect of the decline in religious participation and the predictable failure of humanism to produce an adequate alternative to putting our faith in a superior being that supports us when our egos and intellects fail.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 10, 2018 - 3:27pm
Let California rot. 
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 10, 2018 - 3:38pm
Your point, rycK? Are you OK with reducing the U.S. gdp by: $2.448 Trillion? That is a 13% reduction in the economic performance of this nation. Are we to understand that John F. Kennedy, the Democrat was so dismissive of Americans, the contributions of Americans to the success of the Nation as to summarily turn his back on 12% of US?
Jeff Michka Added Nov 10, 2018 - 3:50pm
Hey, Moggster...ol syck ryck uses his screen name to TRY and define himself.  Syck is another ERW  spigot.  JFK is what he uses to get people who don't know him, he is so fair.  JFK wouldn't get Lee Harvey Oswald to shoot him.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 10, 2018 - 3:53pm
"Your point, rycK? Are you OK with reducing the U.S. gdp by: $2.448 Trillion? That is a 13% reduction in the economic performance of this nation."
 
Why not balance this sum by calculating the welfare, illegal alien and other fees that cost  us? How much does CA cost us and is it worth it??
 
If we expelled CA from the union this might turn out to be a net  positive increase in GDP and other fees. 
Bill H. Added Nov 10, 2018 - 4:04pm
Mogg-
Your attempt to politicize factors like "Resource depletion, overcrowding, transportation gridlock, not to mention the failure of personal responsibility and moral integrity" really backfire when one realizes that virtually all of these are the result of priorities created by the Republican Party.
In my state, resource depletion, overdevelopment & rezoning, denial of funds to improve transportation, and the lack of "moral integrity" that creates this scenario is a total product of our greedy Republican officials. I know the same is true for California, as this is exactly what is happening in areas where my brother and some friends live.
Don't try deflecting this on to the "Liberals".
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 10, 2018 - 4:31pm
Bill H,
 
"...that virtually all of these are the result of priorities created by the Republican Party."
 
How so?
 
We can blame Republicans for the homeless, drug addiction, sanctuary cities that harbor criminals, infestation of illegal aliens and worse?
 
I suppose the liberals have no responsibility here!?
 
This is liberal la la land!
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:22pm
RE: Bill H - All I can say is I wish there was a way shock your kind into realizing how ridiculous you sound. You don't mention the state you speak of even as I make it clear California is my target. How can we answer your claims without knowing what the hell you are on about?
Further, resource depletion, overcrowding, transportation gridlock, and personal responsibility and morality ALL derive significantly from politics and government policy therefore in need of NO politicization as they come politically charged.
Government policy on funding of projects or even whether to address issues of water, air and land results in the consequences to Californians they experience. It is the government that dictates zoning and building which in concert with immigration from other states and abroad decide population densities. Infrastructure design and maintenance plus policy on public transportation along with urban planning, all the province of government define traffic loads.
And when the elected wax pundit and moralize from the bully pulpit of public office on matters of conscience they open the floodgates of debauchery or virtue by what they declare. Finally, California is NOTHING if not Democrat and has been the standard bearer for Liberal Left Democrat Blue State rot for decades.
goldminor Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:37pm
@ Bill H ...all the more reason to let in millions of more illegals as they make our country great, Right? Many of those illegals come to California where the Democrat Party welcomes them with open arms to the detriment of everyone already here.
 
Once again, the population of California has increased slightly over 400% in my lifetime.
Bill H. Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:54pm
 
I'm totally for strict border control, as is virtually every "Liberal" I personally know.
Actually, if you do some research, you will find that many efforts to increase border security are lobbied against by large corporations who utilize contractors to perform the work that was once done by US citizens. Many large utility companies and communication companies use these contractors, as did the large communications giant I formerly worked for. These are the same large corporations who donate "bigley" to the Republican party.
Yes, the results are obvious. 
Ken Added Nov 10, 2018 - 11:27pm
Gold - the fire problem is even more simple than you suggest.  The environmentalists won't allow regular controlled burn or any kind of clearing of the natural areas so the tinder is a powderkeg waiting to go up in flames.  The fact that there is no true land management allowed magnifies the damage of the fires that could be contained much more easily if allowed.
 
This is also the problem with water conservation.  There have been no new resorvoirs built since the mid 70s.  State population has doubled.  Over 80% of rainfall and snow melt simply makes its way to the pacific ocean.  Again, the environmentalists are at fault as they won't allow more to be built.
Bill H. Added Nov 10, 2018 - 11:47pm
Ken -
Again you have your head up your ass. The fires have nothing to do with clearing or controlled burns. They are in national forest areas, which are controlled by the Federal Government, and are to be maintained in a natural state.
Just keep on parroting Trumps idiotic, narrow minded, senseless logic and obvious lack care or compassion for anyone and keep making a fool of yourself. Your true colors sure show.
Also, if you read the California Firefighters Association's presidents response below, you would know that they have more than enough water to fight the fires.
“The president’s message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is Ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines.
“At a time when our every effort should be focused on vanquishing the destructive fires and helping the victims, the president has chosen instead to issue an uninformed political threat aimed squarely at the innocent victims of these cataclysmic fires.
“At this moment, thousands of our brother and sister firefighters are putting their lives on the line to protect the lives and property of thousands. Some of them are doing so even as their own homes lay in ruins. In my view, this shameful attack on California is an attack on all our courageous men and women on the front lines.
“The president’s assertion that California’s forest management policies are to blame for catastrophic wildfire is dangerously wrong. Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fueled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography. Moreover, nearly 60 percent of California forests are under federal management, and another two-thirds under private control. It is the federal government that has chosen to divert resources away from forest management, not California.
“Natural disasters are not “red” or “blue” – they destroy regardless of party. Right now, families are in mourning, thousands have lost homes, and a quarter-million Americans have been forced to flee. At this desperate time, we would encourage the president to offer support in word and deed, instead of recrimination and blame.”
goldminor Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:53am
@ ken and Bill H ...California's leaders have let the state down. Here is a clear example of an aspect of that. Colorado has just sent us a super jumbo fire retardant jet. It operated for the first time in California here on Saturday. This jet has the capacity of dropping up to 16 times more fire retardant than standard fire fighting planes in the California fleet. That is one amazing piece of fire fighting equipment.
 
So why didn't California have several of their own super jumbo jets on hand in their fire fighting inventory? That is a failure of leadership foresight in my view. California has spent billions on all sorts of hair brained ideas in recent decades. They have spent huge money in recent years on the non existent threat of AGW. The bullet train to nowhere is now going to cost close to 80 billion dollars as cost overruns keep mounting up. Yet the state water supply has been mismanaged, and the states fire fighting ability has been left to languish. All of this as the state continues to entice millions of illegals to enter into the state.
 
It is a no-brainer that California will always be faced with high level fire dangers. That is because much of the state has an arid to semi-arid climate, and that there are now 40+ million people living in the state. So no foresight from our leaders which in this case means Democrat leaders. They would rather work at getting boys into the girls bathrooms. At protecting illegals versus protecting citizens. At spending billions on AGW which is a false premise which will never be a threat. Even if there was some truth to CO2 being an important driver of climate change. A warmer world is a better world for all life forms on this planet. A warmer world means more food for the now 8 billion inhabitants of this planet. Here is the story on the super tanker, ...https://www.foxnews.com/tech/global-supertanker-deployed-to-fight-california-fires
Bill H. Added Nov 11, 2018 - 11:41am
GM-
"A warmer world is a better world for all life forms on this planet. A warmer world means more food for the now 8 billion inhabitants of this planet".
Balderdash!! What a totally foolish statement. That one had to come directly from some Petroleum Industry talking-head "scientist".
The warmer the oceans get, the less CO2 they absorb, so the spiral continues until all life eventually ceases. Anyone with High School level science knowledge knows this.
Unfu*king believable!
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:03pm
RE: Bill H. - 'idiotic, narrow minded, senseless logic and obvious lack of care or compassion for anyone,' from you guarantees you'll continue making a fool of yourself. While the comments of goldminor and Ken, IMO miss the mark at least they are moving in the right direction.
 
California's resource management debacle is a documented phenomena that requires only superficial interpretation. California's Democrat 'leadership' in Sacramento, L.A., and San Francisco, among others has failed entirely over decades to incorporate natural science into policy. While the elected focus on 'social' issues that are mere canards for political posturing the real needs of California; clean air and water, sensible urban planning, residential zoning, and population control have enjoyed scant attention. The result is overcrowding, gridlock in transportation, dwindling water supplies, and of course, job security for Democrats.
 
As for your implied preference for Liberal Left Democrat science I would point to a recent spokesperson for your ilk who on network TV news as a panelist matter of factly claimed that, 'because of (Donald Trump) there will be no (planet) Earth in 20 years ...' ! Meanwhile, after decades of missed opportunities to decentralize jobs out of urban centers to reduce commute miles with satellite work centers and telecommuting, forestalling of programs to recapture precious rain and runoff to replenish groundwater, continued failure at sensible zoning laws to avoid residential neighborhoods in high fire risk locales and floodplains, instead what the Democrats have given us is Gay Pride marches, filth covered public pathways in cities like S.F. and L.A., and a magnet for the rush of outsiders to California's 'land of more free stuff'.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:18pm
Of course, it seems ol Mogg Turd whines about fire fighting "super tankers" being from CO.  Back in the day, when "national assets" mattered, the Forest Service had a literal air force made up of B17s, B-24s and other surplus aircraft until the mid 70s when it all went away due to "a need to reduce costs."  Of course, spares and talent needed to keep these old warbirds flying had shrunk to almost nothing.  The Forest Service Air Force had its major base just outside Missoula, MT.  Aircraft based there fought fires, saving lives and property all over the West.  Now states are being asked to take the burden on their own to fight forest fires on FEDERAL land.  Sure, we could have a huge number of Super tankers given the DC10s and 747S just sitting in boneyards all over the Southwest, but nope...rich people NEED tax cuts, so burn baby, burn unless you pay up. 
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:07pm
I just cannot figure out how a Nation gifted with the likes of Jeff Michka can suffer any difficulties, have any troubles or produce anything but a fully united and enthusiastically sympathetic population of fervent patriots.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:27pm
Glad you woke to my brilliance and cunning, Mogg Turd.  Burn, baby, burn...Talk up more tax cuts, then whine about what is NOT happening.  You really need to organize your "ban Jeff movement," rightist clown.
goldminor Added Nov 12, 2018 - 1:43am
@ Bill H ...it is just too easy to refute your attempts at logic. When did civilization blossom? Answer, when the last glaciation ended up temps soared rapidly to a level which was higher than when we are at today. Global temps are currently close to the lowest point in the last 11,000 years with the exception of the Younger Dryas, the cold dip 8200 years ago, and the low end of the Little Ice Age in the mid 1600s.
 
Now what was your point again? Yes warmer waters means less CO2 intake. So what? Many tens of millions of years ago the high point of CO2 in the atmosphere was in the range of 4,000 to a purported 6,000 ppm. How did life on this planet survive all of that? Why is there any life left on the planet after being subjected to that according to your thesis?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 12, 2018 - 12:18pm
Data will not influence the politic of the left. They want to tax carbon 
Ken Added Nov 12, 2018 - 2:48pm
The fires have nothing to do with clearing or controlled burns. They are in national forest areas, which are controlled by the Federal Government, and are to be maintained in a natural state.
 
If you would get your head out of yours and learn about the problems you would know better.  The CA secretary of the Interior himself has stated the reasons for the intensity of the fires.  It is also a well known ecological fact.  This has nothing to do with Trump, I don't even know if he has commented on it.  The national forests are being resisted in the same was as the others.   The fire in Chico has nothing to do with federal land.  I am getting hit with the smoke and ash 2 hours away.  I am living in the middle of it, I suspect I have a better idea for what is going on than you do.
 
I never said there wasn't enough water, I simply was responding to part of his comments about the water table and water conservation - there is none in CA thanks to the environmentalists.  But you just keep clinging to your ideology and ignore the reality of the situation
 
https://ktla.com/2018/08/13/interior-secretary-environmentalists-partially-to-blame-for-california-wildfires/
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:30pm
The leftist whackos prevented many a homeowner from clearing the brush around their houses since that  would annoy certain rodents. 
Rusty Smith Added Nov 13, 2018 - 11:35am
California is voting themselves into bankruptcy slowly but surely, somehow convinced that that can't happen because it's not legal for a state to go bankrupt.  Huge portions of their affluent residents retire to other tax friendly states, taking all their tax money with them, and their being replaced by hordes of dirt poor immigrants who don't pay taxes.  
 
RYCK, I live in So Cal and have a close friend who lost his house because the tree huggers would not let him trim the Oak trees that were planted around his house.  
 
The fire dept told him to trim all the limbs that were close to the hillside, and his insurance company wanted him to trim the ones that  were over his roof, but  the Oak Tree folks threatened to arrest him if he did trim them.  To be fair if he could have come up with about $25K he could have had a study done on his trees by authorized arborists, and they might have let very expensive arborists do some trimming, and even remove some of the dead trees, but they also were requiring he plant new ones on his property and set up automatic watering equipment to ensure their survival.  Oh and then the rule not allowing anything close to the new trees, would have been extended to almost all of his property.
 
In So Cal Oak trees don't belong to the people who plant them, they belong to the city or state, and the rules are outrageous.  Once the tree people identified my friend's Oak trees he wasn't allowed to do ANYTHING to the ground anywhere near each tree, not even plant flowers, or grade his dirt driveway because that might affect the health of the trees.
 
His trees were all planted over 50 years ago by the previous home owner, in a very neat pattern around his house so they would shade the house all summer long.  
Bill H. Added Nov 13, 2018 - 12:24pm
Ken-
"The CA secretary of the Interior himself has stated the reasons for the intensity of the fires".
Sorry, Ken....California does not have a "Secretary of the Interior".
Your link again quotes that bozo Ryan Zinke.
Again, if you believe anything he says, you are hopeless.
At least there was some truth in the statement by Paul Mason.
Ken Added Nov 13, 2018 - 1:27pm
The bozo is the one who doesn't seem to understand the honor of a Navy seal and would call him a bozo.  I meant the SoI speaking about CA, not the way I phrased it, but the link should have made that self evident.
 
You nitpick and then marginalize the messenger because you cannot deny the correctness of the message.
 
Read Saul Alinsky much?  You sure use his rules for radicals strategy a lot.
Bill H. Added Nov 13, 2018 - 3:46pm
 
Ken - He has NO PLACE in his position....period.
He's like the Fox watching the Chickens. As I stated, he doesn't give a shit about the environment or what is good for National Parks & Monuments.
His only duty is to fulfill Trump's priorities of lining the pockets of CEO's and himself.
When will you see the light?
Mogg Tsur Added Nov 13, 2018 - 4:17pm
RE: Rusty Smith - Kudos and spot on! If our opponents would only begin from their own premise that California is the trend setter for the Nation posts like yours might shake some sense into them.
 
IMO, the protected oak trees of California are a treasure that Californians rightly enjoy protection over. In the same sense as national parks and preserves protect America's natural wonders these lovely and magnificent trees give deserve as much for the great pleasure and sense of confidence to Californians they provide. At the same time, half assed activists who think that pointing out what everyone already knows and proceeding to use the cudgel of the law to commandeer these treasures for their own agendas should be shot.
 
It is the hallmark of Liberal Left infamy that these demand Rights without Responsibility. That, in California and elsewhere Democrats pursue laws that penalize citizens and institutions for in the normal course of events becoming party to circumstances beyond their control or not of their doing is tyranny. If a government, acting for the people seeks a just benefit for those people these are rightly funded out of taxes, not the individual's pocket.
 
Rusty Smith Added Nov 14, 2018 - 11:32am
Mogg Tsur I think majestic trees on public land are a national treasure, but disagree strongly with the government intervention telling people what they can and can't do with and around trees they planted on their own private land.
 
Oak is a desirable wood for furniture, and lots of people think the look nice so many planted them on their private property long before their cities decided to make them sacred cows.   
 
Today lots of those protected trees are not just inconvenient, most around where I live are dying and becoming hazardous liabilities for any homeowner who is unfortunate to have one.
 
There are a few beatles that have invaded So Calif, and are killing all the adult Oak Trees, experts think the may all be dead in a few years.  Unfortunately for homeowners, even dead Oaks are protected because they provide housing and food for a host of animal life.  If you have one next to you house you can have it pruned for a small fortune in fees for inspections, permits and authorized pruning by approved and very expensive experts, but even then you may not be able to remove it until it's completely dead.   They don't care if it might fall and smash buildings, cars and people, that's you problem. 
 
If you get permission to remove it after it completely dies, you will be required to plant and set up automatic watering for replacement trees, on other parts of your property that are approved of by the authorities, also with the right inspections, and expensive permits.  Most people just ignore them and try to ignore the complaints from neighbors because their beautiful Oak Tree has become an ugly and dangerous eyesore.
 
A few years ago I was gifted a baby Oak Tree for my large year and I threw it out.  If the laws were different I would have planted it far from my house, but I'm not stupid, and I don't need the city telling me what I can and can't do with a tree I plant in my own yard.  I planted a Star Pine instead.  If it has problems I can do anything I want to it, including removing it if necessary.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 14, 2018 - 11:50am
Get out of California.............
Rusty Smith Added Nov 14, 2018 - 12:27pm
rycK the JFK Democrat I love a lot of things about California but think I will be retiring in another state so I can avoid paying more of California's insane taxes.
 
I live here now because that's where I can make a lot of money, and I feel funny about doing that and then taking my money out of the state when I retire and spending it somewhere else, but not bad enough to not leave.
 
Most of my friends who earn good livings also intend to leave when they retire, taxes are getting insane and more and more poor people are coming here every day.  The people with money are leaving, and the poor are backfilling so I wonder how they are going to pay for everything once most of the people with money are gone.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 14, 2018 - 12:53pm
Rusty
 
I am a 5th generation 49-er in exile and many of my friends and family members have left for Nevada, Texas, Delaware, Virginia, Florida and other low tax states. The state has turned putrid since I left. 
 
The best choice, IMNSHO,  is to balance income v. taxes and, correctly, move away if, indeed, there are no offsetting grants for  the oldies. 
 
I used to have friends and relatives in Paradise and Coutolenc and wonder if survivors of that area might just as well take the insurance monies and scram. 
 
The game is to avoid taxes and avoid the rancid micromanagement of people like who are in power in California today. 
 
Florida and Alabama look good to me. CA, MA, NJ, OR, WA and NY are toilets now. 
Marty Koval Added Nov 14, 2018 - 3:46pm
Rusty:
 
You are absolutely correct about CA, MA, NJ, OR, WA and NY being in the toilets now. Of the states you just mentioned, I have lived in all of them accept MA. The common denominator of these states are that all have been run by liberal Democrats for decades that have spent more money than they take in to feed their insane, immoral, controlling agenda. They have more concern for illegal aliens, non producing residence and the environment than they do for: The hard working residence who are  trying to have food on their table, cloths on their back  and a roof over their head, without asking for hand outs from the government.
 
Eventually these states are going to run out of money for their ill advise spending addition, insane and immoral policies. The birds are going to come home to roost there, some day. In other words  the bad things that these politicians  have done in the past will come back to bite or haunt them. They will face the consequences of the deeds done in the past.
Rusty Smith Added Nov 14, 2018 - 7:19pm
Marty Koval I don't care if those states commit fiscal suicide, in fact I think they deserve to go bankrupt and lose everything including all the government pensions and other benefits that helped put them in this position.  They voted for it, they deserve it.
 
I just hope that when it happens they have no ability to reach further into my pocket and force me to bail them out.
 
I do feel sorry for the workers at the bottom who will never be able to retire, but not sorry enough to keep living there and then having to work for the rest of my life so politicians can reach deep into my pocket so they can retire comfortably.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 15, 2018 - 12:59pm
Rusty Smith
 
"I don't care if those states commit fiscal suicide, in fact I think they deserve to go bankrupt and lose everything including all the government pensions and other benefits that helped put them in this position.  They voted for it, they deserve it."
 
Hear hear!!  Let CA crash.