Are white suppremists as bad as Nazi's?

Recently I was in a WB forum where a participant compared the people who got in fights with the white supremacists in Charlottesville with the people who fought against the Nazi's in WWII, suggesting I was immoral for not supporting those fighting with the white supremacists.  I condemned them for risking life and property over words that didn't have the power to do much more than make the white supremacists look like idiots to 99% of America. 

 

In my mind the Nazi's horrific behavior was well worth fighting over, they wanted to and did murder millions of Jews, Gypsies, and suspected Homosexuals.  I said if I could go back in time and help fight them, like my father did, I would be proud to do so.  However if I could go back in time and fight the white supremacists in Charlottesville, I wouldn't, and I'm ashamed of the people who did.  They fought a bunch of idiots who were making fools of themselves, and someone died in the fighting.

 

To me there is never an excuse for using physical violence against idiots who are only saying stupid things.  They may deserve a black eye, they may deserve to get arrested for disturbing the police, but no private citizen has the right to use violence to exact vigilante justice.

 

I don't feel sorry for the white supremacists, and wouldn't even feel sorry for them if they got killed, but I agree with Trump when he said both sides were responsible for the violence.  They both went there to fight.

Comments

Troll Hunter Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:42pm
Riley:
The white supremacists *are* Nazis.  The Nazis today just don't control the government or military of a country.... yet.
And the anti-Nazis are not to blame for the Nazis murdering the nice Christian woman there; the Nazis are 100% responsible, as they did it, and it was premeditated.
FacePalm Added Nov 10, 2018 - 5:53pm
Riley-
i'm pretty sure that most white supremacists ARE nazis, and vice-versa; in either case, their numbers are so small as to be statistically insignificant.
 
In addition, every organized group of them is either heavily surveilled or infiltrated or both.
 
But good on you for calling out the knuckleheads who think "fighting nazis" - who are neither damaging anyone nor vandalizing property, but exercising their right to free speech, and indeed got a PERMIT to do so - and attempting to deny them their right to free speech, did NOT get a permit, and who deliberately sought and got a violent confrontation which ended in the unfortunate death of one young woman, not to mention multiple bruises and contusions, and probably a broken bone here and there.
 
Personally, based on the fact that the leader of "the nazis" had been an ardent D'OhBama supporter less than a year prior, i believe the whole thing stank of a "tail wag the dog" false flag, a show put on to deceive Americans...and of course, to "blame Trump," the usual MO of MSM propagandists and liars.
opher goodwin Added Nov 10, 2018 - 6:05pm
Riley - yes they are Nazis. They may be contemptible. They may be a sad joke - but they are Nazis and they have the potential to do terrible things.
I do not support violence but these racist scum need opposing in every other way possible. Non-violent protest is valid.
Fascism needs opposing at every opportunity.
John Minehan Added Nov 10, 2018 - 6:07pm
The whole thing reminded me of the fighting in 1919 between the Freikorps and the Spartakusbund after the Kaiser abdicated.
 
It is worth noting that neither of those groups were Nazis either but that both paved the way for Hitler. 
TreeParty Added Nov 10, 2018 - 6:28pm
Yes, Riley - they are Nazis. These racist scum do need opposing in every way short of violence. Non-violent protest is valid. And that you would believe any word uttered by Trump is just a sign of how little thought you have put into any of this!
Jeff Michka Added Nov 10, 2018 - 6:32pm
How dare anyone call white supremacists "Nazi."  Nazis, according to Faced are inventions of the left and made up of leftists.  For those that remember we had Billy the Nazi, who when called a neo nazi, said he just wanted to be called a "plain ol Nazi.  And ol Billy Roper,Nazi was part of some "organized group of like minds," and he even got space on the SPLC website dealing with extremists like he claimed to be.  The real funny part, speaking of infiltration, was when being surveiled by the feds came up, he admitted they had discovered their "chief of security" had confessed being a fed, keeping an eye on the "boys in das bund."  LOL  Maybe the feds will start watching the neoconfederates, including some of those seen here.
Morgoth Added Nov 10, 2018 - 6:40pm
They are as bad because they want the same things as Nazis.  
 
That being said I have no sympathy for the Antifa.  Clashing with Nazis in the streets reminds me of the clashes between the SA and the Communists in the early 30’s. It didn’t work out then and it won’t work out now.  Open battle between the extreme right and the extreme left only invites repression.  
 
goldminor Added Nov 10, 2018 - 7:18pm
Of course they are not nazis. They are white supremacists, and there is quite a difference between the two groups. I suppose that the case could be made that they are nazi wannabes, but that is where the comparison should end. Most nazis were ordinary people.just. Ordinary people have always been susceptible to be manipulated into doing horrific things in history.
 
For example would you call the Hutus nazis? Would you call Pol Pot's followers nazis? There are, unfortunately, too many examples of similar behavior from around the world. Most of these white supremacists mainly stick to themselves. If the counter protesters had not showed up to cause a scene, then there would have been no media coverage to give them a national audience. They would have held their rally, shouted their slogans, and then disappeared as night fell.
Riley Brown Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:06pm
Troll hunter, Facepalm, Opher, and Treeparty, I'd call today's contemporary white supremacists wanna be Nazi's, but they lack many of the essential qualities, (in my opinion).  Yes they have most of the same beliefs but... 
 
They are not part of or sanctioned by the government, they are a tiny group of social outcasts who hold opinions that make them extremely unpopular everywhere they go in the US.
 
When they do hold public events most cities fence them off and try to keep the public away.  When real Nazi's were around enthusiastic attendance of their public events was most mandatory.
 
They are totally powerless when it comes to furthering their agenda, the real Nazi's were empowered to round up and kill millions of people, they are not. 
 
They have absolutely no effect on our countries politics, and agenda's unlike real Nazi's whose goals were put into practice in very deadly ways.
 
They couldn't represent less of a threat to the public if they all carried squirt guns, the worst they can do is sling verbal insults at the people they don't like without risking being arrested.
 
They are about as much Nazi's as my neighbor's little kid is a Cowboy because he likes to dress like one and pretend his toy gun is real.  They dress up like real Nazi's did back when they had power and pretend they are important, but wherever they go the public is disgusted by them and openly treats them with as much disrespect as is possible. 
Troll Hunter Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:12pm
Riley:
They *are* Nazis.
 
You continue to deny it, we're going to continue to call you one, Nazi.
Riley Brown Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:13pm
TreeParty, when you chasitze me for "believe any word uttered by Trump is just a sign of how little thought you have put into any of this!"...
 
All I can say is that even broken clock gets it right twice a day, and if you can't accept the possibility that some of the things Trump says are true, I think you have your own issues.
 
With regard to the forum topic, Trump indicated both the white supremacists and the people who drove there to get in fights with them shared the blame for the violence.  Kindly tell me how that's not true?
 
If no one drove over there to fight with the white supremacists there would not have been a violent confrontation, and no one would have been killed.
 
Tell me what you think the people who fought with the white supremacists wanted to accomplish that was worth one innocent victim's death?
 
Do you tell your own children to punch out other kids and smash their heads into the playground if they say bad things to them, or do you tell them to avoid them and perhaps report the bad behavior to school authorities?
Riley Brown Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:16pm
Opher, you said:
 
"these racist scum need opposing in every other way possible. Non-violent protest is valid.
Fascism needs opposing at every opportunity"
 
By that are you agreeing with Hillary and telling me that it's ok to use violence against people who are scum and saying things you adamantly disagree with?  I don't agree with that, even if Hillary does.
Riley Brown Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:18pm
Jeffrey, I would never classify white supremacists as "the extreme right wing", they are idiots and social rejects who are not welcomed by any official part of the Republican party.
Riley Brown Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:21pm
Goldminor, I agree and think the best thing we could do is not show up at any of the white supremacist events.  The white supremacists crave news and confrontations are exactly what they want because it draws national news to their doorstep.
 
Its so easy to ignore them, and without an audience or someone there who is willing to fight with them, they are nothing but a hate group without an audience.
Riley Brown Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:28pm
Mogg, I don't see any evidence that any of the white supremacists believes and goals are shared by even as much as 1% of the public. 
 
They like to sport Nazi symbolism that is almost universally detested by almost everyone in every country including Germany.  They remind me of rebelling teenagers who do anything they can to piss off their parents, and then hopefully grow up and realize how stupid they have been behaving. 
 
I think most of those groups are largely composed of very young losers who are taken in by a few older misfits who make them feel important and accepted for a while.  Then most get bored, realize they are wasting their lives, and move on.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:41pm
Riley,
It’s not a case of mere disagreement, and what there wasn’t in Charlottesville was symmetry. 
 
Let’s start with the fact that these guys in Charlottesville were wearing swastikas, carrying torches, chanting “Jews will not replace us,” a few of them carrying weapons hung around across the street from a Charlottesville synagogue for intimidation, and of course one of them killed a young woman. As was stated earlier, these guys don’t have power but I don’t think there’s much doubt as to their intentions. 
 
If one side advocates attacking ethnic/religious groups and the other doesn’t, there isn’t symmetry. One side says “We hate you because of the group/category you were born into” and the other doesn’t. That constitutes a pretty serious moral difference. We’re not talking about how much of a role government should have in politics or economics. This isn’t a question of what’s more efficient or what will work better. 
 
This is a good time to have this discussion. Yesterday was the 80th anniversary of Kristallnacht. When that happened, the German populace didn’t react. The Jews got hung out to dry and we know where that led a few years later. Thank God we don’t get hung out to dry here, not as a result of Charlottesville and not as a result of Squirrel Hill. 
 
Maybe you don’t get it, I don’t know. Maybe you can’t relate to the possibility of being rejected by your country. Do you understand what it means when we see this? Do you understand what it means when Blacks see it? Do you understand that this is recent enough history that a lot of people think it could happen here? (I don’t, actually, but a lot don’t share my opinion.) They absolutely thought that it couldn’t happen in Germany. Germany was a liberal, educated country. 
 
This isn’t fine people on both sides. This is one party of people prevented from murder by the threat of government action and who in fact murdered someone in Charlottesville anyway. 
TreeParty Added Nov 10, 2018 - 10:50pm
Riley,
Donald Trump lies like he breathes; unconsciously and continuously. No serious person doubts that he is a serial liar. His closest confidants (he has no friends because he is a congenital liar) acknowledge that he is a liar. Yes, even a broken clock is right twice a day, but it is still a broken clock! When he says something, anything, you cannot have any confidence that, 24 hours later, he will still claim what he claimed 24 hours ago.
All that said, he is a man who is not to be believed. If you have not realized that by now, you are kind of slow...
With regard to the forum topic, Trump's reticence to condemn the racist motivations of the "white nationalists" reveals a racist predilection that we find documented in multiple contexts:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/michael-cohen-trump-racist-language
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case
Supremacists, Riley! Sheesh! 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 11, 2018 - 12:39am
TreeParty,
There is one key respect in which Trump has been honest, and it is this respect that results in his being given extraordinary latitude by his supporters. He listened to what was bothering his constituents during the campaign and he talked about it. They were very worried about illegal immigration from the Mexican border. They were worried about Muslims. They were angry at BLM and resented the crap out of PC directed at them. They were angry about what they viewed as PC censorship in general. They were worried that the police’s hands would be tied in the aftermath of the very public string of killing unarmed Black males. 
 
Trump not only listened to their grievances, he legitimized them, telling his audiences that they were right. Then, unlike almost any other politician they’ve ever seen, he continued exactly that way once he got into office, regardless of political reality. With the significant exception of draining the swamp, but for some reason they overlook that. His constituency loves the idea of the wall. He’s still trying to get it built. 
 
He legitimized racism by indicating to his constituents that it’s OK and the consequences have included a drastic raise in hate crimes and of course the Squirrel Hill murders. He doesn’t have to be a racist per se to do this, he just has to advocate for racists. 
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 1:13am
@Riley Brown:
They are the extreme of the right wing, like the Antifa are the extreme of the left.  Both sides have extremes.  
 
You make it sound like this is a youthful indiscretion, a silly prank bored white boys are pulling on their elders.  It is not.  I doubt they are any type of real political threat to anyone but they are a threat, they are dangerous and it is a mistake to minimize who and what they are.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 11, 2018 - 1:18am
NPC says, everything I not like bad like Nazis if not worse. Orange supremacist must go bad. Alexandria Occasionally-Grotesque 4 President!
Flying Junior Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:14am
You are basically asking if the citizens of Charlottesville had the right to defend their city and their beautiful university campuses from hordes of white supremacists wielding torches like the KKK, carrying Nazi and Confederate flags, various anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim paraphernalia, chanting, "We will not be replaced by Jews."  One People, One Nation End Immigration."  "Blood and Soil." They were also carrying semi-automatic rifles and clubs.
 
You're damn right they did the right thing and they had every right.   What's more, it worked.  Richard Spencer attempted to organize a similar rally in California which fizzled.  In Washington D.C. the final Unite the Right rally drew less than one hundred people.  When confronted with well over a one thousand counter protestors, they went home with their tails between their legs.  This was the rightful end of these types of public rallies.  Let them play their Nazi games in the hills and on private property.  They are not welcome in our society.  Thank you good people of Charlottesville for making this so clear that even the dumb Nazis could understand it.
 
You have the nerve to blame the death of Heather Heyer at the hands of the car murderer, James Alex Fields on the counter protestors?  Sheer insanity.  Perhaps you should pay some attention to his trial starting in a couple of weeks if you are so unclear on just exactly what happened in Charlottesville.
 
Why the fucking sympathy for goddam Nazis?  I don't fucking get it.
 
Mogg,
 
I'm fairly certain Riley is not quite as sexy as his avatar.  He does think like a child, if that pleases you.






Stone-Eater Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:25am
To the title: They are partly Nazis. At least those who think White is best. I understand though that there is a difference between Whites who simply want to defend their culture to those who'd like to kill others simply because they have another skin color or other culture and customs.
opher goodwin Added Nov 11, 2018 - 6:07am
Riley - I said non-violent. I don't advocate violence. Perhaps that was unclear.
I think that these people are scum and they need opposing whenever their raise their evil heads.
Bill Kamps Added Nov 11, 2018 - 7:42am
Based on this emotional conversation I would say that the neo-Nazis are achieving their goal, which is to spread hatred.  They cant themselves take power, but they can pit one group against another, and provoke anger and violence.  Anger like we see here in this article.
 
This is the challenging part of having freedom of speech and assembly.   You have to let them speak, how we react is up to each of us.  Generally when the neo-Nazis want to assemble the local police keep them pretty well bottled up so they dont cause any harm.  Most of the times it is a big yawner, no one cares. 
 
Challenging them in a violent way, only plays into their hands, and supports their cause.  The rest of us should be smart enough to ignore them, rather than fight them.  They represent no threat to us, as they have no power.  We give them power when we attack them.  This is what they want. 
 
Because someone died that day, and because of the violence, we are still talking about this group of neo-Nazis today.  If there were no violence, we would have forgotten about this assembly long ago as we have forgotten many of their other assemblies.
 
While I disagree with all that they say, the last thing I would do is show up for one of their assemblies.  First , showing up gives them an audience.  If no one shows up, they are just talking to themselves.  Second, opposing them, yelling at them, is what they want.  They want to be engaged, it gives them credibility.  They want the opportunity to "defend" themselves.  They are not stupid in this way.  If they are ignored, they  will lose their ability to make headlines, which is their goal.
Bill Kamps Added Nov 11, 2018 - 7:54am
You have the nerve to blame the death of Heather Heyer at the hands of the car murderer, James Alex Fields on the counter protestors?  Sheer insanity. 
 
 
Of course the guy that killed Heather Heyer is to blame, and if the court finds Alex Fields guilty, then he will go to jail.   As he should.
 
It is also true that had no one showed up for the assembly, there would have been no violence. 
 
Even if Alex goes the jail the neo-Nazis will consider this a win.  They started out with an assembly within the law, and it "turned into violence".  How could they have asked for more?  they got headlines and we are still talking about them today.  Big win for them.  They dont care that Alex will likely go to jail, another big win, a martyr for their cause.  
 
Ignoring them is difficult but that is the best way to fight them.   Unfortunately they know how to provoke, to make people's blood boil and this is what they want.  If people ignore them, how will they gain more recruits?  far easier when there is confrontation.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 11, 2018 - 8:15am
Actually, in Charlottesville they lost badly. They went home, they were recorded on video, and their employers and neighbors noticed. And, of course, they killed someone, making their threat real. 
 
What has been proven by how badly the counterprotesters have outnumbered them is how small of a minority they are. They don’t have remotely the support their opposition does. They want to appear as people who represent a majority who hasn’t acted on their real views. They’re appearing as quite the opposite, and that is a result of counterprotests. 
 
They not only want confrontation, at least as importantly they want intimidation. That’s why a few of them showed up outside a Charlottesville synagogue during the protest carrying semiautomatic weapons. They are being shown that intimidation isn’t working. This is a critical point because how the Nazis in Germany achieved real power was by intimidation. We are two days past the eightieth anniversary of Kristallnacht. At that point, the population did nothing, and couldn’t do anything safely. You can condemn the statement “Not Here” all you want, but please don’t pretend it’s moral. 
Bill Kamps Added Nov 11, 2018 - 8:34am
Actually, in Charlottesville they lost badly. They went home, they were recorded on video, and their employers and neighbors noticed. And, of course, they killed someone, making their threat real. 
 
Individuals lost, but for the cause it was a win.  Their leaders dont care about the individuals or their jobs,  they care about the cause.  They want confrontation, they try to provoke.
 
This is a critical point because how the Nazis in Germany achieved real power was by intimidation.
 
Untrue.  Hitler was not elected based on intimidation.  This came only after they had achieved political power.  They were a legitimate political party in Germany, which they are not here. 
George N Romey Added Nov 11, 2018 - 9:06am
The Neo Nazis are what .0001% of the US population? Yet the MSM desperate for ratings and readership make them out to be this huge threat. Like the 1950s Commie around every corner.
 
Trump is too dumb to understand these people are insignificant and feels as though he shouldn’t slight them. Just needs one statement-this is an outer fringe group full of morons. 
Ian Thorpe Added Nov 11, 2018 - 9:57am
Riley, good post but on a subject that in the current atmosphere you might have been wise to avoid on, especially here on WB. The leftie trolls were never going to allow a reasonable discussion, for the same reason as when anybody puts forward a reasonable case against politically correct authoritarianism they can only resort to name calling and flinging out terms like 'racist' and 'nazi'.

Bill Kamps, your comments are intelligent and get to the root of the problem. In Britain and Europe, as in the USA anywhere a conservative, nationalist or right of centre group organises an event in support of one of their causes it is guaranteed a leftist hate mob will turn up looking for a fight. Thus when leftists, like the one's in this thread, condemn right wing violence, I find it hypocritical as their fellow travellers are always eager to act as enablers of violence.

John Minehan Added Nov 11, 2018 - 10:28am
They are not part of or sanctioned by the government, they are a tiny group of social outcasts who hold opinions that make them extremely unpopular everywhere they go in the US."
 
All of that is how the Nazis started out.  Adolf Hitler originally belonged to another Freikorps group and he was infiltrating the Nazis when he decided to take over the movement.
  
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 10:36am
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”NPC says, everything I not like bad like Nazis if not worse.”
 
This isn’t a matter of opinion.  These people identify themselves as such.
 
 
“Alexandria Occasionally-Grotesque 4 President!”
 
Better than having a right-wing Nazi as president.
 
No, I’m not saying Donald the Thud is a Nazi so everyone don’t leap to that conclusion.  I’m just saying I’d rather have her than an actual Nazi.
John Minehan Added Nov 11, 2018 - 10:36am
"With regard to the forum topic, Trump indicated both the white supremacists and the people who drove there to get in fights with them shared the blame for the violence.  Kindly tell me how that's not true?"
 
It might or might not be true, but history suggests it is irrelevant.
 
The situations that gave rise to the Nazis (a movement capable of taking power) included conflicts between groups that were like the groups that clashed in Charlottesville. 
 
The issue is not whether the White Nationalists are themselves similar to Nazis, but whether the whole context is similar to the one which gave the Nazis the opportunity to come t the fore.  
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 10:40am
John, I need to make a correction to something you just said.  Hitler was acting as an agent of the German military when he went to spy on Drexler’s little group.  Hitler never joined any Freikorps group but several Nazis did.
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 10:41am
So... Flying Jr, and Koshersaalami, am I correct to assume that you are proud of the people who drove to Charlottesville so they could get into fights with the white supremacists?  Remember someone got killed because they did. 
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 10:51am
Koshersaalami, you've done a pretty good job of describing the horrible atrocities the white supremacists were guilty of, "wearing swastikas, carrying torches, chanting “Jews will not replace us,” a few of them carrying weapons hung around across the street from a Charlottesville synagogue", OMG, those are real pearl clutchers. 
 
I can see why you think the citizens of Charlottesville should have been shaking in their boots, especially since every move the white supremacists made was being closely watched by the local police who had things well under control until groups of counter protesters jumped in and started fighting with the white supremacists.
 
I'm sorry, where you see jack booted Nazi's getting ready to commit another Holocaust, I only see a group of idiots making fools of themselves.  I am not proud of the people who went there to get in fights with them, I'm ashamed of their behavior and sad that it resulted in a death. 
 
I'm not with the Hillary crowd on this one, I don't think uncivil and violent responses to people we dislike is justified or productive.
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 11:04am
Flying JR, I have absolutely no sympathy, empathy, or respect for the white supremacists, I think they are racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic jerks who deserve to be scorned, laughed at, and told to leave by every business they attempt to do business with.  If I had a restaurant I would gladly refuse to serve them, if I had a store I'd refuse to sell them anything.  I agree with the ISP's and web services that refuse to do business with them. 
 
I do want my city to do all they can to reject any application they submit for holding a public rally near me, but if they follow all the laws and do nothing illegal, I know they have the same rights I have,  including the right to free speech, even if I don't like what they have to say.
 
I do like it when they know 99.9% of America despises them, but view hostile and violent confrontations against them when they are holding peaceful protests, as counter productive.  Bill Camps understands the issue well, if no one went there to fight with them, and no one even payed attention to them, they would have left feeling like they wasted their time.  The fights, and the resulting news were the best thing that could happen to them, that's what they want.
 
When you and others like you take the bait and give them the confrontation and news they want, it saddens me.  All those organizations are on their way out, their hay-days are all long gone.  If people ignore them they won't be in the news and no one will want to join their stupid movement.
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 11:06am
Bill and Ivan, thank you for your contributions, I can see you have a better grasp of the ramifications and consequences of violent confrontations, than most of the other forum participants.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 12:07pm
Cullen, I see that you are formed by propaganda. 
 
In the book, Lectures on Fascism by Palmiro Togliatti, an Italian Communist, Gus Hall, president of the Communist Party USA, writes, "...the Nixon Administration and Watergae was a calculated, conspiratorial process in the creation of the structure which could have led  to and served as a fascist structure". pg xi
 
So, Nixon was a Fascist.
 
He goes on: "Thus, the "tendency toward reaction" was laying the basis for fascism". 
 
On page xiii, Hall continues that "...Ultra-reactionary former California governor Ronald Reagan"
 
So Nixon and Reagan were Fascists!  There you go Cullen. You're guilty of being a Fascist just by being in the Repuke party!
 
"Reactionary" is a very important term to the Left. During the French Revolution, French Catholic Monarchists were "Reactionary"!  So that makes them Fascists!
 
See, Clueless Cullen how that works?
 
What you are doing in your post is Virtue-signaling your "innocence" of being Nazi---by attacking the "white supremacists" in hopes that the SJW Police, and roving bands of Marxist Anti-Fa leave you alone. You are presenting evidence that "I'm not one of those..."
 
They don't care. Every and any Republican is a Fascist!  All of Middle America is Fascist. 
 
The word "fascist" means the COMBINATION of Socialism with Nationalism. What about people who are just nationalists without being Socialist?
 
IT DOESN'T FREAKIN' MATTER, CULLEN---anybody who is a Nationalist, a Patriot is by de-rigueur  a NAZI. They do NOT make distinctions. They are going to steamroll over any opposition whatsoever to build their Progressive Utopia!  You are still a Nazi Cullen. All the virtue signalling in the world is NOT going to save you!
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 12:11pm
I'm sorry I meant to use the word "Riley" instead of Cullen. My bust. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 12:12pm
And Mr. Riley Brown "Flying JR, I have absolutely no sympathy, empathy, or respect for the white supremacists, I think they are racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic jerks who deserve to be scorned, laughed at, and told to leave by every business they attempt to do business with."
 
You are a traitor to your people and the Europeans in this country!  You are a Judas. 
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 12:32pm
And yer a loon, Lindsay.  Nazis are nothing more than asswipes who deserve scorn for their repulsive viewpoints.
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 12:33pm
And that goes for their White Nationalist butt buddies.
Bill Kamps Added Nov 11, 2018 - 12:36pm
I dont subscribe motivation to those that want to fight the neo-Nazis.  It is a normal reaction.  To most their message is repugnant.  Just know we elevate them when we engage or attack them.  It is like the fringe political candidate who wants dearly to be invited to the televised debate, not because they can possibly win, but because it gives them relevance.  
 
The thing is for tiny fringe groups of any kind, what they crave is legitimacy and recognition.  They are too small to intimidate on a large scale.  They even have difficulty gaining recruits. 
 
They can recruit better if they are seen as pushing forward a cause that matters.  When people come out and oppose them, they can see that they  matter, they have a cause, because others want to fight against them.  If the only people that attend their rallies are their own members the message is that no one cares.  Then they become just another frat house or social club that no one cares about.  They become boring and even their own members lose interest. 
 
Let them rant all they want, say their slogans, and light  their torches.  They have to apply to demonstrate, and the police have them well under control.  Lit torches  are no danger when they are well sequestered by the police.  Slogans do no harm if no one is listening.  We are adults, we arent children on the playground.
 
We dont see the US neo-Nazi organizations blowing up bridges, or car bombing neighborhoods because they lack that kind of power or ambition.  They are a very minor nuisance if left alone.  We should leave them alone and ignore them, which is what happens most of the time.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 1:37pm
Not my opinion. The Church teaches Virtue. Western Culture and Civilization teaches Virtue. The Virtue of Righteousness is 
 
[QUOTE] First among the claims of righteousness are our duties to the gods, then our duties to the spirits, then those to patrida [fatherland] and parents, then those to the departed; and among these claims is piety, which is either a part of righteousness or a concomitant of it. Righteousness is also accompanied by holiness and truth and loyalty and hatred of wickedness. [End quote]
 
This is from the 1st Century BC by a European pagan. That is also the Church's teaching. You are to have Loyalty. 
 
And where Riley is your loyalty to?  Marxist Tower of Babel Multiculturalism, Jewish ideology?  Or is you loyalty to your Kinsmen? To the Tribe---God put you in!
 
To NOT express, engage, practice Loyalty to your kinsmen at all times--one falls into Treason. 
 
That is Ethics. Marxists do not have ethics. They have and they force compliance to their ideology. Their ideology is Error. It spells death for the European. Is your loyalty, Riley, to the European peoples?  Or is it to Jewish Ideology?
 
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 1:54pm
I don’t care what the church teaches, Lindsay.  Fanatics often warp religion to conform to their warped worldview.  Like you.
George N Romey Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:06pm
The only ones that are dumber than the neo Nazis are the ones that obsess about them. Their rallies consists of what 50 people? People that scream about Nazis no zero about Nazis.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:09pm
And it is Atheists that shoot up High Schools, like Columbine. Atheists who did the Las Vegas Shooting, and the atheist that shot up the bar in Thousand Oaks. 
 
Atheists that raped nuns and killed priests in the Spanish Civil War. 
 
Atheists that massacred the Vendee with Catholic babies speared on their bayonets. 
 
Or how about the Atheist Russian Revolution?  Or the Atheist Chinese Revolution?
 
Or the Atheists Europe becoming Muslim!  
 
Atheists have done such a wonderful job. 
Jeff Michka Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:22pm
Lindsay rises to the Riley bait of "Nazis and white supremacists," of which Lindsay subscribes.  Lindsay openly has courted "white supremacy," with his "They" are inferior, let me, Lindsay, tell you how inferior they are.  Lindsay knows bringing up the Russian revolution or that in China, and it buys him a pass from rightists.  More "Whaddaboutism" WB rightists are known for.  I'm soooo scared, atheists are making Europe Muslim.  Huh.  I guess if Europens were all good extremist catholics, like Lindsay,  "They" would be making Europe Xtain.  Riiiight.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:23pm
...if Europeans....ooops.
Ian Thorpe Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:34pm
Riley, you called me Ivan again, so ...
всегда приятно читать и комментировать ваши хорошо написанные записи
Which BTW is a compliment.
Dino Manalis Added Nov 11, 2018 - 2:39pm
 Supremacists can be as bad as Nazis!
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:17pm
Lindsay, you said, "You are a traitor to your people and the Europeans in this country!  You are a Judas."
 
Can you please explain why I am a Judas, how we can tell, and why that's bad?  
 
Please make it simple so I can understand, I can see you're so mad your'e not writing as clearly as you usually do and I don't want to miss your important thoughts...
 
Thank you for helping me understand your point of view.
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:19pm
Ian, sorry about that, not intentional and
Спасибо за комплимент
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:21pm
Amen - whole heartily agree.  I'm so sick and tired of people throwing around this Nazi word.  The Nazi's didn't like the Nazi's that's how bad they were, but they were the controlling party and if you wanted food and housing you became one.  People who call Trump and his followers Nazi are nuts.  They don't deserve an audience, but mainstream media gives it to them, its sickening.  
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:22pm
Mogg, I too believe the fringe groups like the white suppremists are numerically insignificant in the US, and also agree we should keep an eye on them if for no other reason than they tend to be a magnet for the type of nutcases who sometimes act out violently.
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:24pm
Dino, I think in the right environment  our white supremacists would have gladly joined forces with the Nazi's and many would have been among the worst of them, but the contemporary US is not WW2 Germany, they are despised and have no potential for power in the US today.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:25pm
Are you afraid of being called "Minister Peaceful Nazi", MPP?  Or are you afraid of being called Minister Mainstream Media?  If so, in either case, why?
Stone-Eater Added Nov 11, 2018 - 3:42pm
Shep
 
People who call Trump and his followers Nazi are nuts
 
Trump is not a Nazi. He's just dumb. Look at his rhetorics. Putin sacks him in anytime. He's NO "poster boy for America*. The rest of the world laughs at him and his behavior. The only reason why people shut up is because the US has WEAPONS. 
 
Tell ya what: The BIG est of the world looks at the US as a dangerous nightmare in between. The only ones who don't get that are Americans themselves.
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:06pm
@Lindsay Wheeler:
How about the mass burning of witches?  How about the 100 Years War and other religious conflicts?  The Inquisition?  The burning of heretics?  The massacre of indigenous populations or their forced conversion in the name of “God?”
 
How about the fact that alleged “Christians” started WW I and tore themselves apart?  You forget that the Russian Revolution was a direct result of that conflict.
 
Spare me your self-righteous twaddle, Lindsay.  Religions and their followers are responsible for many millions of deaths over thousands of years.
Ian Thorpe Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:16pm
Riley,
Добро пожаловать :-)
TexasLynn Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:42pm
Riley,
Your intuition is right on this one.  The "neo-Nazis", such as those at Charlottesville, have only the racism in common with their historic cousins.  On the other side (Antifa and the like); have the socialism and violence (itching for a fight) in common with their historic NAZI cousins.
 
The problem with Charlottesville is there were no good guys.  You had two groups of fascists meet up and fight... and somebody died.  I hadn't thought of it before, but Jeffery K is right in that it's like the Communists and Fascist fighting back before WWII; except in this case if the fascist Antifa would just leave well enough alone, the neo-Nazis would have just continued their slow march into oblivion.  But then they couldn’t be used as a tool for smearing their real enemies (the whole right).
 
The left (media and leaders) by design use this small, insignificant number of white racist to try and paint the whole right (Republicans, conservatives, Tea Party, ect…).  It is a propaganda campaign the likes of which Joseph Goebbels would be proud of.
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:50pm
Aristotle noted a Natural Law. From nature, Aristotle said, "All things are either in Authority or in Subjection". All  things. 
 
Who built this country?
 
Shouldn't those people who built this country-----Run it?
 
That is what the canard and Marxist agitprop term "white supremacy" is.  They want to remove the Europeans from the leadership of this country and replace them with Ocasio Cortez, or Maxine Walters, Hispanics and Africans that have done such a wonderful job in their own home countries of building First World Cultures!
 
Because that is it in a nutshell. Who should run America?  The Atheists, the Anarchists, the SJW, the Liberal, the Marxist and the Jew thinks that Minorities from Third World Hell-holes ought to be running America!  
 

What is the Logical consequence of that?  Venezuela. (Atheists have a hard time with cause and effect.)  The condition of Venezuela will be the result of Minority run America. That is what is being engineered and that is why our Academic Class who are Marxist, want!  It is about "Get-rid-of-whitey". 
 
 
Flying Junior Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:52pm
I appreciate more reasonable voices joining in, but anytime people start talking about a leftist hate mob or the leftist menace, I say you guys are going soft when we need to present a united front.
 
No quarter for white supremacists and anti-Semites.  Zero tolerance.  I doubt Charlottesville was much of a victory for these misguided souls except for them to further spread their hatred among their own kind and mabye get a few Trumpie conservatives to go soft on what they know is right.  Lord knows they tried to make hay out of it all.  Remember silly Billy Roper the friendly Nazi?  At the time they engendered quite a bit of sympathy from the WB.  A lot of those guys have fallen away in the last year.
 
Not in my state.  Nowhere in my United States.  Not welcome anywhere.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 4:57pm
Texas Lynn writes: "...the fascist Antifa"
 
"Fascist Antifa" is an OXYMORON! 
 
ANTIFA is shorthand for "Anti-Fascist". 
 
So an organisation that labels itself "Anti-Fascist" is Fascist!  Brilliant Logic and Historical Knowledge there, American! 
 
And here at this blogpost, Vox Popoli, by Vox Day, Republicans are Anti-Fa, is a picture of the full name of Antifa, AntiFascistiche, at the Marxist, 3rd International!   The 3rd International is International Socialism. Please look at the Picture embedded in the Post!
 
Antifa is a Marxist organization!!!
 
Please Texas Lynn get your adjectives right---It is the Marxist Antifa!
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 5:15pm
Riley asks: Can you please explain why I am a Judas, how we can tell, and why that's bad?  
 
Riley. The Natural Law is Parts of a Whole. St. Thomas Aquinas used that phrase several times in his text. The Scriptures teach that God created All the nations of the earth. 
 
The Whole is our Nation. We are parts of our nation. 
 
Our Duty and loyalty belongs to our particular nation. This is called The Old Order. 
 
Ethics is based on Virtue. The Virtue of Righteousness teaches: "First among the claims of righteousness are our duties to the gods, then our duties to the spirits, then those to patrida [fatherland] and parents, then those to the departed;..."
 
Duty is central to Western Civilization and Culture. 
 
The last part of that teaching goes like this: "Righteousness is also accompanied by holiness and truth and loyalty and hatred of wickedness." 
 
In the Boy Scout Oath is this: "On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and country..." 
 
Now, Marxism and Freemasonry have ensconced in their cultures Jewish Messianism that requires the dissolving of nations and melding all back together. It is called the Tower of Babel. This is what Social Justice and Political Correctness teach; they are called Cultural Marxism. That is why one of the names of Communism was International Socialism. They attempt to dissolve a nation FROM WITHINTo dissolve any nation is Genocide. This is called Soft Genocide. To Dissolve one's nation for the sake of Jewish Ideology is Treason. 
 
Jesus said of Judas:  "It had been better if he had never been born"! Throughout the NT, he is called the Betrayer. To betray is akin to Treason. Treason is the act of betrayal. For we are all commanded to show loyalty to our kinsmen and Nation. 
 
To use the charge "That guy is racist", or "That is racist", or to say "Race/nation are social contructs" are all acts of Soft Genocide and hence Treason. 
 
Our duty is to preserve our own people. The Cherokee, the Cherokee. The Basque, the Basque. The Burgundian, the Burgundian. The Serb, the Serbian. The Bavarian, the Bavarian. So on, and so forth. 
 
In order to have Virtue, which means Excellence, we are to exhibit Loyalty to our people. When you do that, the SJW says you are racist. 
 
To participate in Political Correctness, Social Justice is to engage in Treason and the commission of genocide. 
 
Any citizen, in the virtue of being a citizen, must exhibit Loyalty. 
 
To Have The Good, To be The Good, Virtue is necessary. 
 
TexasLynn Added Nov 11, 2018 - 5:17pm
FJ >> I appreciate more reasonable voices joining in, but anytime people start talking about a leftist hate mob or the leftist menace, I say you guys are going soft when we need to present a united front.
 
Exactly what do you want out of this "united front".  You want me (conservatives) to denounce racism?  You got it.  Racism is one of the most vile outlooks a man can have.  I denounce racism as antithetical to all that I believe and will have nothing to do with it.  Those whom racism inspires to break the law should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. (Though I'm against the idea of "hate crimes" because they are equivalently "thought crimes".)
 
I don't know what more I can do.  Other than denounce individual actions.  So, as to Charlottesville, I disagree with everything the white supremacists espouse towards both minority races and Jews.  I find them despicable... and ... support completely their right to speak and protest.
 
See, what I will not do, is demand that those I disagree with (be they racist, fascists, communists, leftist, socialists, star bellied sneetches) be silenced no matter how despicable their message... as long as... they follow the law (as in peaceful).  When individuals step over that line, deal with the individuals.
 
Please let me know where I am lacking here.  (But please spare me the Trump is a racist crap, unless you want to cite proof... real proof.  Not that he wants the wall, not that he wants to stop illegal immigration... those things do not rationally equal racism; and yelling and screaming that they do... diminishes reactions to the actual vile act.)
 
On the flip side of that coin.  There is leftist hate mob (Antifa in particular, and others).  They have even affected the demeanor and actions of rank-and-file (otherwise sane) leftist who scream and yell at conservatives in restaurants and the like.  This hate mob has the discourse going in the wrong direction.  I'll grant that there are also idiots on the right who have sinned in this manner as well.
 
If you want a united front, then meet us half way and denounce the likes of Antifa (who I submit are as fascist as any racist); then move on to agitators like Maxine Waters who will soon have a leadership position in the House.
 
TexasLynn Added Nov 11, 2018 - 5:25pm
Mogg Tsur >> TexasLynn, so what's the answer? A government bureaucracy that decides who gets to march in the streets and perpetuate the farce of Free Speech?
 
NEVER!  If you're trying to come up with solutions and the word "government" comes up... you're on the wrong track.
 
The neo-Nazi's if I understood correctly had a permit and should have been allowed to march and speak.  If any of them broke the law, that individual should have been dealt with accordingly.  The exact same thing should go for the Antifa.
 
What should prevail?  What's the answer?
 
Easy... the rule of law.  But I think you and I already agree on that.
 
Lindsay >> Please Texas Lynn get your adjectives right---It is the Marxist Antifa!
 
You're probably right, Lindsay.  JK was probably closer than he thought.  This IS history repeating itself.  The Marxists and the fascists going at each other again.
 
As for me... a pox on both their houses.  There are no good guys in these skirmishes... except the Marxists (Antifa) aren't limiting themselves to just the neo-Nazis... they attack conservatives as well (see Tucker Carlson) and affect the demeanor of other leftists (see Ted Cruz).
 
 
Flying Junior Added Nov 11, 2018 - 5:40pm
Lynn,
 
What if these guys with all of their paraphernalia descended on North Texas University and then spilled into downtown Denton?  Would you plead with your fellow Texans to just let them exercise their free speech?  I doubt they would have been very well received on any of the campuses of the University of California for that matter.  We don't live in Germany where it is illegal to spread these beliefs.  But I firmly believe that communities have a right to defend themselves.  Keep in mind that Charlottesville is home to more than 9,000 African-Americans in a small town.  Plus, carrying weapons is not a peaceful protest.
 
I already knew that you were with us in opposing racism and anti-Semitism.  No problem there.  But if the Unite the Right really had desired a lawful, peaceful protest, they went about it all wrong.  I don't know why anyone is defending them as law-abiding protestors.  There are further incidences of violence against African Americans that happened that fateful Saturday.  I posted pictures once, but the usual guys said I was just doing leftist fake news.  And honestly, that whole KKK march thing on Friday night with torches.  Innocent fun?  Not to me.
 
Senator Orrin Hatch said it best.
 
We should call evil by its name. My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home.
 
Their tiki torches may be fueled by citronella but their ideas are fueled by hate, & have no place in civil society.
 
That's from back when republicans were still in touch with their consciences and morals.  Today they fear the monster.






Flying Junior Added Nov 11, 2018 - 5:46pm
I will have to take a closer look at Representative Waters.  She always seemed okay to me.  She does seem to be ruffling some feathers.  I can't help but wonder what is all the fuss about?  I think she is just poking some fun at republican dummies who go around chanting, "Lock her up!"  If she is really doing something wrong, I would like to know about it.  Why haven't her colleagues censured her?  Is she under investigation?  What's the big problem?  Has she fomented or incited violence?  I find that hard to believe.



Koshersalaami Added Nov 11, 2018 - 6:43pm
The protesters were absolutely armed. A few of them went across the street from a Charlottesville synagogue and hung out there for a while with assault weapons just to send a message. That’s not a normal protest. And killing a young woman makes it really not normal. 
 
And please, please, please don’t tell me she’d be alive today if she weren’t protesting. When protesting becomes a capital offense, something is seriously wrong. 
 
Of course if Antifa attacks people without being attacked they should be arrested. The law is the law. 
 
When the original Nazis were marching, there were a lot of Germans saying that people shouldn’t be taking these crazies seriously. Germany was a liberal, educated country. 
 
Strictly fringe? There are a couple of pretty serious antisemites on this site, one in this thread. 
 
Actually, this is a very odd time to say they’re strictly fringe. I’m sure that’s what they thought in Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago. They don’t any more. That incident was the worst incident targeting only Jews in American history, or so I’ve read. (More certainly died in the Twin Towers.)
 
Some of this argument involves a difference in ideology but some of it involves a difference in perspective. I’ve lived in NY state for a little over two years, before that I lived in North Carolina for ten. My old temple was a pretty big congregation. If we had a service large enough to need the main sanctuary, which was at least almost every Friday night, we had a police presence in the front lobby. On High Holy Days, there were police at both parking lot entrances and a squad car or two parked on the street. For those of you who worship, how many of you need a police presence at your church?
 
I guess most of you don’t have a vested interest in this discussion. If you’re Black you do; the Black people I know are actively worried about innocent encounters with the police, and if the protesters are against them and the police aren’t exactly with them, life doesn’t look all that safe. If these guys gain power, it’s not you they’re coming for. You can afford to dismiss them. Yeah, I know I’m American and I know we’ve been historically relatively safe, but our families often immigrated. Two of my grandparents did, and I can remember my grandmother leafing through a family album with me and saying “this page was killed by Hitler.” 
 
This isn’t academic to people like me. 
 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 6:45pm
The hate is towards Nations and people who want to preserve them! Internationalism teaches hate. 
 
Texas Lynn, There is not a single Christian church, Catholic or Protestant, that defends the Old Order. Many patriotic young men turn to National Socialism because they are the ONLY organization that stands up for Nations/Race. If Christians did their job---There wouldn't be an National Socialism. But we need to stand up against the Marxists. 
 
This is what I chanted in Marine Corps Boot Camp in San Diego in 1978:
 
"We are Wolf's Raiders,
"We're Raiders of the Night
"We're dirty sonsofbitches, 
We'd rather f*ck than fight
"We circumcised the  Communist
"With a dirty piece of glass
"We found a rusty bayonet,
"And Shoved it up their ass
"Zing, Zang, Zippty-Zow,
"Who the Hell are we,
"God Almighty, Hell Almighty
"We're the Infantry!"
 
The biggest Scourge of our day is International Socialism!  All our institutions are converged with Marxists and Globalists. We can't sit on the sidelines. Marxists, Globalists have to be rooted out and defeated. This is Life or Death. 
 
If America is to be saved---PeeCee needs to end and the Marxists defeated. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 6:46pm
Orin Hatch is a RINO, a Cuckservative like you Flying Junior!
Jeff Michka Added Nov 11, 2018 - 6:53pm
But rightist love running around chanting "lock her up, lock her up." Doesn't matter which "her," just lock up political opponents, regardless of who they are.  Then the rightist talk about how freedom loving they are.  and nobody "had the goods" on Hillary, but rightist "just knew" she was guilty.  These are political opponents,  produce 'evidence," but thats not the goal.  It's like the rally chanting, it riles up the all-important "Base."  Without a riled up "base," 2020 is a Trump pipe dream.  Keep the base foaming at the mouth over evil Hillary is the easiest course...
@ Riley - I'm convinced that this is nothing more than a click-bait-type post; Nazis are good attention-getters around here, lol. You're FAR too intelligent not to realize this, but if your goals were accomplished, then good for you, lol.
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 7:49pm
@TexasLynn:
”JK was probably closer than he thought.“
 
Not closer, it’s my exact analogy.  I thought of that when I wrote it.
 
It’s not nearly as bad out there as it was in Weimar Germany.  But we are very divided with two competing visions of what we want the US to be.  It is compounded by the extremes hacking away at each other on the fringe.  
 
I dislike Nazis and their brethren on principle but I agree if they had a permit they should’ve been allowed to march.  I also have no issues with counterprotesters being there.  But I knew violence was inevitable.  Nazis and their little cohorts thrive on that and the Antifa are happy to engage.  Those there to protest the Nazi toads and their little buddies got caught in the middle.
 
I oppose the Antifa because I know it never ends well.  I also oppose those who pestered Tucker Carlson at his home.  Keep his family out of it, I get disliking him but keep that crap outside of Fox’s headquarters.
Riley Brown Added Nov 11, 2018 - 8:17pm
Kosersaalami, I was in Charlottesville in October, and the people there are very nice and none I met said they felt threatened by the white supremacists.  Some speculated that many of the people who actually fought with the white supremacists came from outside Charlottesville in response to the rally. 
 
You see a grave threat, they don't.  You see a movement that MUST be stopped even if it takes civilian vigilantes, and I just see idiots who can't do much harm to anyone but their own reputations if they are ignored.
 
You revere the people who ran there to fight them, and I am ashamed they did.  
 
You never answered my question, if you could would you have joined the fight against those white supremacists, or do you only approve when it's other people doing the fighting?
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 11, 2018 - 8:20pm
So Jeffrey, The Marxists take down the Heritage of the South, which started the whole thing---And to you, all Southerners are Nazi, and they should not, can not protest the Maoist destruction of their heritage!  Because all those Europeans showed up to protest the taking down of their memorials!  What people would not?
 
So, The Marxists take down memorials of another people---and then get mad when they show up? That is called Gaslighting. 
 
You are absolutely mad you know that. Plain southerners to you, who object to their memorials being taken down by the Social Justice Gestapo are Nazis!
 
Welcome to Maoist America, where they attack our heritage, and if you fight back, you're a Nazi!  I guess my forefathers that fought in the Grey are Nazis!  Everybody in the South is a Nazi!  Every Confederate is a Nazi!
 
So Jews can go around and take down our Memorials to our War dead----And European Atheists back up the Jews!  Way to go with that Amorality there Jeffrey---you're one smart cookie. 
 
Jeffrey you and your ilk, the Social Justice warriors are sociopaths. 
 
Are those memorials yours?  NO. So a bunch of Yankees come down south and put their jackboots on our Southern necks---F*ck off Jeffrey. Your Scum.  These are the "liberals" that scream Tolerance and then march in our backyards taking down our memorials. Yankees are scum. 
 
 
Flying Junior Added Nov 11, 2018 - 8:54pm
Hey Lindsay,
 
Are you the oldest incel in the U.S.A?

Koshersalaami Added Nov 11, 2018 - 9:02pm
Riley,
It would depend who started the fighting. 
TexasLynn Added Nov 11, 2018 - 9:16pm
FJ >> What if these guys with all of their paraphernalia descended on North Texas University and then spilled into downtown Denton?  Would you plead with your fellow Texans to just let them exercise their free speech?
 
I'm still back to rule of law.  If they are following the law and the law says...
1) the paraphernalia is legal
2) Where they descend is legal
the leave them alone (aside from legal counter-protests)
 
If they do something illegal, follow the law (arrest, warning, disbursement, etc.) just like any other protests.
 
FJ >> But I firmly believe that communities have a right to defend themselves. 
 
If the protesters are raping and pillaging... OK... sure... You're going to have to tell me what they were doing that needed defending against.  Looking scary and being assholes isn't it.
 
FJ >> Plus, carrying weapons is not a peaceful protest.
 
OK, I'm back to the rule of law.  Was it legal?  I seem to remember a lot of protesters (Blank Panthers, etc...) carrying weapons in the past.  If they break the law... arrests their asses and prosecute them to the full extent of the law.
 
FJ >> I already knew that you were with us in opposing racism and anti-Semitism.  No problem there
 
Thank you.
 
I think I'm just going to be repeating myself concerning your other examples... As for the KKK, the neo-Nazis, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, Unite the Right... just hold them to the same legal standard.
 
As for calling evil, evil.  Yes, Racism is evil.  Fascism is evil.  So is communism and socialism... IMHHO (in my humble historical opinion).  I oppose all, vehemently.
 
But, in our Republic, Free speech applies to all, even the most reprehensible if it applies to any.
 
FJ >> lock her up...
 
I'm all in support of "lock her up"... but I think the left is add more to this than what is meant.  When I say "lock her up"... I mean, investigate (really investigate) all the shenanigans AND prosecute her.
 
The right is convinced that Hillary Clinton was protected by the DOJ and had a Republican done half of what she has done, they would be in prison by now.
 
So, what do I want when I say "lock her up"... apply the rule of law.
 
FJ >> Why haven't her colleagues censured her?
 
My guess... of the top of my head... hypocrisy.  I don't even know if "censure" is warranted... condemnation?  No doubt.
 
The harassment of conservatives in public and in their homes is beyond the pale.  If shoudl stop.  And that goes both ways.
 
FJ >> I dislike Nazis and their brethren on principle but I agree if they had a permit they should’ve been allowed to march.
 
I think we're on the same page here...
TexasLynn Added Nov 11, 2018 - 9:17pm
KosherS >> The protesters were absolutely armed. A few of them went across the street from a Charlottesville synagogue and hung out there for a while with assault weapons just to send a message.
 
Did they break the law?  That's it.  If so, the police should have arrested them.  If they didn't that's on them.
 
KosherS >> And killing a young woman makes it really not normal.
 
The man who killed the young woman should face the maximum penalty of law (including the death penalty).  It's that simple.
 
I don't care what the circumstances were of the young lady being there... FULL EXTENT of the LAW.
 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
Lindsay, I'm sorry I'm not following everything.
 
I for one believe there is one Church... as in the one Christ created.  I'm not saying any denomination has a monopoly on that church.  Those who believe and obey, join that church.  As for who can join their Church... Jew, Greek, all of humanity.
 
Lindsay >> The biggest Scourge of our day is International Socialism!
 
On this we agree.  The "international" variety may be particular to our day... but in the last century "Socialism" was responsible for more death and misery than any other human ideology.
 
This evil must be defeated.
 
Morgoth Added Nov 11, 2018 - 10:03pm
@Lindsay Wheeler:
”So Jeffrey, The Marxists take down the Heritage of the South, which started the whole thing---“
 
Those big ugly statues that you get all weepy about were mostly put up in the early 20th century.  They were put up as memorials to racism and an idealized caricature of a South that never existed.  Heritage?  Hardly.
 
“And to you, all Southerners are Nazi,”
 
LOL
I moved to Texas when I was three and lived in the South ever since.  No, I never said that nor do I believe it.
Get a grip, psychotic George RR Martin.
 
“and they should not, can not protest the Maoist destruction of their heritage!”
 
I don’t give a damn what these silly Nazi wannabes get their knickers in a bunch about.  I mentioned above that if they got a permit they should’ve been allowed to simper about like the silly marionettes they long to be.  I just knew that there would be violence because that’s what turns these numbskulls on.
 
 If it was me I would’ve allowed these pinheads the chance to engage in their collective circle jerk.  I would’ve walled them off from the sane population with police and National Guard.
 
“Because all those Europeans”
 
Yeah, some Europeans....LOL
Seriously, Lindsay, if any of these brain dead zombies could find Europe on a map I would be shocked.
 
“showed up to protest the taking down of their memorials!  What people would not?”
 
Except that real Europeans would look at these goons and laugh themselves into hysterics.
 
“So, The Marxists take down memorials of another people---and then get mad when they show up? That is called Gaslighting.”
 
No, it’s because sane people with half a brain know that Nazis suck and there are no “good people” on that side.
 
“You are absolutely mad you know that.”
 
Wow, that’s a pure example of a pot calling a kettle black.
 
“Plain southerners to you, who object to their memorials being taken down by the Social Justice Gestapo are Nazis!”
 
Well, they call themselves Nazis and White Nationalists.  If they don’t flat out call themselves that they use the symbols.  Frankly I think they appreciate being called Nazis.  TBH I don’t think they appreciate being called Europeans.
 
“I guess my forefathers that fought in the Grey are Nazis!”
 
Well, no because that term didn’t exist yet.  
 
“Everybody in the South is a Nazi!  Every Confederate is a Nazi!”
 
Hey, why are you insulting southerners like that?
 
“So Jews can go around and take down our Memorials to our War dead----And European Atheists back up the Jews!”
 
Seriously, you really need help.  Doug is kinda funny in his way, you are just a flat out loon.
 
“Way to go with that Amorality there Jeffrey---you're one smart cookie.”
 
I prefer to be called a smart mutha chucka.
 

 “F*ck off Jeffrey.”
 
Oooooowwwww, that hurts my feelings.
 
“Your Scum.”
 
*You’re
 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 11, 2018 - 11:24pm
TexasLynn,
Liberal protesters who initiate violence should face the maximum penalty of law. It’s that simple. 
 
The guys across the street from the synagogue? I don’t know if they broke the law. I doubt it. But do you have the remotest doubt why they were there? Can you imagine that, I don’t know, the message they were trying to send was “If the synagogue worshippers attack us, we’ll be ready?” No, the message was “step out of line and you’ll find out we know how to use these.” The message was pretty much a threat to do what was later done in Squirrel Hill. 
 
The law presumably says they have to make the threat verbally. But let’s please not pretend that their intention was anything other than to threaten, and in this case threaten action that was highly illegal. More than highly illegal. Their intention was to threaten murder. 
 
If you can think of another likely interpretation, I’d like to hear it. 
 
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 12, 2018 - 12:43am
People peacefully protesting the taking down of a General Lee statue were no threat to anyone. I completely disagreed with the press trying to cast Antifa as the good guys and the protesters as the bad.

It's terrible that someone got killed and many more beaten (by both sides). But why did Antifa have to bus into there to fight the protesters? 
 
Isn't fighting peaceful protesters the most anti-American thing you can do? 
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 12, 2018 - 12:47am
Southerners have been practically worshiping General Lee for 150 years. It's practically part of Southern culture, isn't it? (So it's thoroughly expected that to take down a statue of Robert E. Lee is going to solicit some kind of protest, so fine. Give them their protest, and then take down the statue if that's what the city decided.) 

That's why the Dukes of Hazard was hilarious...the way these guys chose to pay homage to their Southern culture was to name their car after General Lee. And to have the car horn play the song, Dixie. 
 
Just silly. Is that threatening? I wouldn't have thought so. 
Flying Junior Added Nov 12, 2018 - 2:28am
I'm not convinced that counter protestors self-identifying as antifa made up a very large number of the counter protestors.  Rather this is a convenient boogie-man that the alternative fact media loves to throw around to spread fear and distrust.  Many disparate groups came together to oppose the Unite the Right.
 
Charlotesville had a KKK rally just one month earlier on July 8th.  Over 1,000 local citizens and members of various churches, students and anti-racist groups had rallied to shut down the KKK event.  They don't want it in their city.  This protest against white genocide was concluded without any violence.
 
Groups that made up the counter protestors to the Unite the Right Rally were again local citizens, students, faculty, clergy and church members, journalists and various groups such as Black Lives Matter.  The presence of Antifa that Saturday is not well documented and was very likely quite small.
 
I think it is quite likely that the Tiki Torch Nazis were spoiling for violence.  Sadly many of the young men opposing them were only too happy to oblige.  But this narrative of law-abiding Nazis attacked by violent Black Lives Matter and Antifa is just one big whopping lie put out by the alt-media.  And I'll be a monkey's uncle if people don't believe it.  Hook, line and sinker.
 
BTW, what were the Unite the Right guys really protesting?  The wanton destruction of the wonderful heritage of the South?  Not by a mile.  They were protesting the right of Jews and African-Americans to live in the United States.  Plain as the nose on your face.
goldminor Added Nov 12, 2018 - 3:08am
@ Mogg Tsur ...you state "... There is no continuity between Hitler and present day nazis in America....". Then we are in agreement. I must not have been clear enough and should/could have reworded my comment, but you go on to make my point for me although stated more completely. Thanks. I am in agreement with the context of your comment.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:45am
I think present day Nazis would dispute that assessment. There’s a reason they call themselves that and wear swastikas. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:48am
By the way, Riley, to answer the question in your title:
Depends if they advocate extermination or slavery. 
Bill Kamps Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:58am
What if these guys with all of their paraphernalia descended on North Texas University and then spilled into downtown Denton?  Would you plead with your fellow Texans to just let them exercise their free speech?
 
These folks get permits for their assemblies and demonstrations, and they are confined to specific areas which the police monitor.  Just like the Thanksgiving Day  Parade, cant wander off course and go anywhere it pleases, these people cant either.   They dont descend on communities and spill over into other parts of the city.  If you ever got a permit for assembly you would know how it works so please dont show how little you know about how this process works. 
 
As for your answer.  YES if they got a permit to demonstrate in my area of Texas, I would say they should go for it, Tiki torches and all.  I would not attend, and I would discourage others to avoid attending.  Ignoring them robs them of an audience and they then are just talking to themselves. 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 12, 2018 - 7:19am
Jeffrey, Atheist King here on WB: Those big ugly statues that you get all weepy about were mostly put up in the early 20th century.  They were put up as memorials to racism and an idealized caricature of a South that never existed.  Heritage?  Hardly.
 

Who the hell are you to impose YOUR ATHEIST values on Southerners?  Who put you in charge of the South?
 
See, When Christians say take out the homosexual magazines from the Public Library, the resident Library director, Atheist, wags his finger in the face of the Christian and says, "YOU CAN'T IMPOSE YOUR VALUES on us"!
 
But then turn around, and Jeffrey, Atheist, And because of his atheism adopts Jewish values and Jewish ethics says, "Big ugly statutues, memorials to racism".  Oh, our veterans are Caricatures?
 
Atheists HAVE NO PROBLEM Enforcing THEIR VALUES! 
 
Ohh, Anglo-Saxon, you left the Catholic Church and adopted Judaized christianity, then you adopted Israelitism, you adopted Masonry and Rosicrusianism that is both Jewish and Oriental---Atheists, Marxists and Liberals are wiping you off the face of the earth!
 
The Rileys, the Cullens, the others, Saps to their ruling infidels!
Morgoth Added Nov 12, 2018 - 8:12am
@Cullen Kehoe:
”People peacefully protesting the taking down of a General Lee statue were no threat to anyone. I completely disagreed with the press trying to cast Antifa as the good guys and the protesters as the bad.”
 
Apparently you don’t understand who and what these “peaceful protesters” were, Cullen.  These weren’t a bunch of star struck Southerners all weepy about a bunch of statues.  This was a collection of far right extremists who espouse violence and revolution.  Many of them were armed.

“It's terrible that someone got killed and many more beaten (by both sides). But why did Antifa have to bus into there to fight the protesters?”
 
I agree.  But these “peaceful protesters” also attacked non-Antifa.
 
I’d say most of the counterprotesters were not Antifa but normal people disgusted by the Extremists.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 12, 2018 - 8:57am
At some point I suppose I should stop answering Lindsay, I guess for the same reason people advocate ignoring Nazi marches. It’s not like he has a chance in Hell of gaining any traction. Still, I’m curious about something:
 
What exactly is Christian about Confederate statues? 
 
What exactly is Christian about treason for the sake of maintaining extreme oppression? Because that’s exactly what the Confederacy was. 
 
Are you claiming that the War Between the States was a war between Northern atheists and God-fearing Southerners? Have you read too much into how the Bible was used to support slavery? If this is what you think, you should take a closer look at how fundamentalist the Abolitionist movement was. Take a closer look at John Brown. Read all the words of the most popular Union song, the Battle Hymn of the Republic, and then tell me exactly how atheist you think it is. 
 
Here, I’ll help you. Verse 3:
 
In the beauty of the lilies
Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom
That transfigures you and me;
As He died to make men holy,
Let us die to make men free;
While God is marching on.
 
Glory Glory Hallelujah
 
Morgoth Added Nov 12, 2018 - 8:58am
@Lindsay Wheeler:
”Who the hell are you to impose YOUR ATHEIST values on Southerners?  Who put you in charge of the South?”
 
Who the fuck are you to impose your racist, hyper-religious views on normal people?
Newsflash, “Southerner.”  The impetus to take those ridiculous statues down came from locals.
 
 
“Jeffrey, Atheist,”
 
Hey, rather be an atheist than a hyper-religious, racist, antisemitic fear monger. In other words....you.
 
“And because of his atheism adopts Jewish values and Jewish ethics”
 
Yeah, I don’t know what those are but thanks for confirming what we all know about you.
 
“says, "Big ugly statutues, memorials to racism".  Oh, our veterans are Caricatures?”
 
No and don’t twist my words, antisemite.  I said those statues are caricatures of a South that never existed.
 
 I could care less about the rest of what you babbled on about.
FacePalm Added Nov 12, 2018 - 9:59am
Koshersalaami-
The real reason for the War Between the States was because the federal government was using collected tariff monies(the way gov't was not only fully funded, but overflowing Treasury) was being used to subsidize Northern industries, thus creating an unjust imbalance;
 
The Southern legislators were well-aware of this injustice, and since at least one of them(Virginia) had placed a caveat on their ratification of the Constitution, decided to leave.  This was never a "civil war;" in a true civil war, the government is intended to be replaced.  The South just wanted to be let alone.
 
Less than 2% of southerners owned any slaves at all, and in Louisiana, several who owned the most were black, themselves.
 
Curiously, the Southern legislators were unable to explain the basic unfairness of the way federal treasury monies were being re-distributed and why it was a danger to the South, so THEY are the ones who whipped up a war-fervor by claiming that the northerners wanted to make black people the equals of whites, which played right into the zeitgeist of that era.
 
Of course, that's how it eventually worked out, anyway:
 
“We have stricken the shackles from four million human beings and brought all laborers to a common level, not so much by the elevation of the former slaves as by practically reducing the whole working population, white and black, to a condition of serfdom. While boasting of our noble deeds, we are careful to conceal the ugly fact that by our iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery.”
 ~Horace Greely(author of "Go West, Young Man"), in 1872
 
But IAW the OP, Nazis were white supremacists who claimed that the "Aryans" were superior to all other races(completely disproven at the Olympics by Jesse Owens, btw).  Today, white supremacists do exactly the same, claiming that whites are superior to every other race, but especially the blacks and the Jews, whom they preach hatred of, instead of simply demonstrating their alleged superiority.  IMO, true superiority does not depend on the ability to physically dominate another, but to live better.
 
i see that as Nazism, whether those practicing this abhorrent form of division are backed by gov't agents in large numbers or not.  Theirs is simply a weakened, dumbed-down, ignorant version which is near-universally despised, leading one to the conclusion that most must be masochistic.  Some people thrive on other people hating them, like the Westboro Baptist Church members, and claim(falsely) that this very hatred of their abhorrent beliefs is exactly why they are "right," and their perception of the situation is that they're "being persecuted for their beliefs," thus also satisfying the "martyr complex" they've worked themselves into a fever about.
 
Nevertheless, the Constitution prevents sworn gov't officialdom from abrogating their right to free speech.  This does not mean that people can't speak freely BACK to them, but as Jefferson noted "The purpose of government is to restrain men from injuring one another," so a barrier must be put in place between the opposing sides, and any criminal activity on EITHER side greeted promptly with nightsticks, arrests, and prosecutions...as they're only sworn to protect the right of people to PEACEABLY assemble.  As soon as the first bag of urine is thrown(or anything else, for that matter, like pepper spray), they've left the path of peace, and need to suffer immediate consequences...at the very least, to teach 'em a damn lesson.
Stone-Eater Added Nov 12, 2018 - 9:59am
Wow. Cool. I really start to like those inner-American battles. We don't have that here LOL
Stone-Eater Added Nov 12, 2018 - 10:02am
Lindsay
 
Shave off that beard. It weighs too heavy on you :-)
TexasLynn Added Nov 12, 2018 - 10:29am
Koshersalaami >> If you can think of another likely interpretation, I’d like to hear it.
 
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be defending here.  The neo-Nazis are dirt-bags; their intentions are sinister.  Haven't I said as much?  I don't think I've been pretending otherwise in my comments.
 
If being dirt-bags with bad intentions were enough warrant suspension of the 1st Amendment rights, then Michka and Troll Hunter (and others) wouldn't be posting here.  As conducive to intelligent discussion as that might be, who would take that step?  Obviously not Autumn…
 
But being sinister dirt-bags does not rob them of their rights; else we have just implemented "thought crime".  Actions are what matter here... the law is what matters.  Knowledge of intentions warrant close observation and scrutiny, but that is as far as it goes until that legal line is crossed.
 
The citizens of the town have a right to defend themselves... but not take the law into their own hands.  Antifa has a right to counter-protest... but not initiate violence.  All involved have an obligation to follow the law, and law enforcement has an obligation to enforce the law.
 
My only point is that when it comes to the neo-Nazi's and Antifa... both sides are evil and sinister.
 
Also, one was insignificant until elevated by the left for other sinister purposes (to smear all the right).  The other is a major player in the current culture and direction of the Democratic Party.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 12, 2018 - 10:36am
I think you overestimate Antifa’s impact. 
 
“Antifa has a right to counter-protest...but not initiate violence.”
 
That’s essentially what I said at the beginning of the comment you’re answering. 
TexasLynn Added Nov 12, 2018 - 10:46am
KS >> I think you overestimate Antifa’s impact. 
 
Fair enough... the left is definitely overestimating the significance of the neo-Nazis.  BUT, they are doing it intentionally and with purpose.; to paint/smear the whole with a broad racist brush.  Some might call that... sinister.
Morgoth Added Nov 12, 2018 - 10:53am
@TexasLynn:
”The other is a major player in the current culture and direction of the Democratic Party.”
 
Your biases are showing.
The Antifa are extremists and hardly major players.  If you are saying progressives are gaining ground then I agree.  “Progressive” doesn’t equal violence, any more than “conservative” equals Nazi.
 
Morgoth Added Nov 12, 2018 - 10:55am
@TexasLynn:
Am I supposed to take the cartoon seriously?
Stone-Eater Added Nov 12, 2018 - 11:14am
What a lot of people don't seem to understand: Neoliberals are Nazis in different clothes.
TexasLynn Added Nov 12, 2018 - 11:50am
JK >> Am I supposed to take the cartoon seriously?
 
Take it however you like... While it doesn't apply to Charlottesville... the media and the left use what happened in Charlottesville to depict the right in that manner. 
 
The tea party was the perfect example of this slander.  The left you have you believe that there is no difference between the Tea Party and the neo-Nazis.
 
One need look no further than this forum (and the MSM) to see that it works.  If your not liberal... you're the work kind of racist.  I stand by my assertion that this is the propaganda of the left; if not also what they believe.
TexasLynn Added Nov 12, 2018 - 11:52am
SE >> What a lot of people don't seem to understand: Neoliberals are Nazis in different clothes.
 
This sentiment is correct.  Lindsay is more correct in that they are Marxist; but their methods and results are the same.  
Stone-Eater Added Nov 12, 2018 - 12:03pm
Tex
 
Problem is that Marxists fought exactly against that.....Neoliberalism, which is an exaggerated and perverted form of capitalism and borders on Neofeudalism. But at the time of Marx the definition of Neoliberalism didn't exist.
TexasLynn Added Nov 12, 2018 - 12:14pm
SE >> Problem is that Marxists fought exactly against that..... Neoliberalism
 
I can see that.  I'm specifically thinking about the Marxist/Communists and Fascist/Socialists fighting over control of Germany before WWII.  The reason they were fighting is because they were both vying for control of the same heats and minds.
Riley Brown Added Nov 12, 2018 - 12:22pm
Kosherslaami, what difference does it make if the people you dislike say ugly stuff like they would like to see you exterminated, or enslaved, if they have ABSOLUTELY no ability to make it happen and when they say things like that they remind 99.9% of the rest of the country what jerks they are?
 
Those are words and you would be proud to break the law and beat their faces into the sidewalk, because they say stupid things that you know they are powerless to make happen.
 
Do you realize when you and others do things like that you become their best recruitment tool by making their otherwise obscure protest rally into national news where it just might attract other misfits who'd otherwise not even be aware of their existence?
 
Those groups are quickly losing their ability to recruit via the internet, and if you ignore their rally's and they don't make it on the news they have no way of recruiting people who don't see their events in person.
Morgoth Added Nov 12, 2018 - 12:33pm
@TexasLynn:
 
”Take it however you like... While it doesn't apply to Charlottesville... the media and the left use what happened in Charlottesville to depict the right in that manner.”
 
You mean like the right uses the Antifa to depict all liberals as the same?  As you seem to do yourself?
 
“The tea party was the perfect example of this slander.  The left you have you believe that there is no difference between the Tea Party and the neo-Nazis.”
 
I’m sure it feels that way to you with your biases.  It’s very similar to how the right portrays all the left as Antifa.  
 
“One need look no further than this forum (and the MSM) to see that it works.  If your not liberal... you're the work kind of racist.  I stand by my assertion that this is the propaganda of the left; if not also what they believe.”
 
Of course.  It’s similar to your need to believe that Nazis are left-wing.
TexasLynn Added Nov 12, 2018 - 1:46pm
JK >> I’m sure it feels that way to you with your biases.  It’s very similar to how the right portrays all the left as Antifa.
 
For the record... the whole of the left is not Antifa.  And the whole of the left isn't even the likes of Maxine Waters and Luis Farrakhan.  The whole of the Democratic Party isn't dyed in the wool socialists.
 
But the left (as a whole) allows these evils to drive their direction and agenda.  Some on the left (like those who harass conservatives in public and at home) imitate those evils.  More importantly, the left doesn't denounce them either and instead often "can't help but wonder what is all the fuss about?"
 
JK >> Of course.  It’s similar to your need to believe that Nazis are left-wing.
 
Nazis (the literal National Socialist German Workers' Party of Germany in the last century) were socialists.  Admittedly, there is another step further left; you can get more leftist (meaning Communist) than that... but it ain't easy.
 
Are the neo-Nazis of today left wing?  No.  There not socialists... just racists (which is also evil).  But they are also numerically insignificant; and wouldn't even make a blip on the social conscience... if not for the leftist overreacting to them (for the given purpose of propaganda).
 
Let me admit an error here.  Antifa isn't fascist.  Their violence and tactics only imitate that of the historical Nazis (thus my erroneously applied label).  They are in fact... violent Marxists; which is just as bad, just as evil.
opher goodwin Added Nov 12, 2018 - 3:09pm
Riley - somebody did not get killed because thousands of people drove to Charlottesville to oppose fascism; someone got killed because a twisted little fuck drove his car into a crowd of people like the cowardly terrorist thug he was! Premeditated murder!
By your premise all the concert goers at the Bataclan were the cause of the terrorist attack in Paris. If they hadn't have gone to the concert the terrorists wouldn't have murdered them.
Morgoth Added Nov 12, 2018 - 3:37pm
@TexasLynn:
“For the record... the whole of the left is not Antifa.  And the whole of the left isn't even the likes of Maxine Waters and Luis Farrakhan.  The whole of the Democratic Party isn't dyed in the wool socialists.”
 
Good.  We now have that settled.
 
“But the left (as a whole) allows these evils to drive their direction and agenda.”
 
Oops, yer slipping.
 
The problem is you think we are all the same.  We are not, just like those on the right.  I’m liberal but I never say I want unadulterated Socialism or Communism.  I’m not going to say there aren’t liberals who don’t want that but I think those are very fringe.  I think we want balance. I look at what I want and I see that matches pretty well with the whole.
 
“Some on the left (like those who harass conservatives in public and at home) imitate those evils.”
 
The key word is “some.”  A minority, like those dipshits who walk around screeching “Jew will not replace us.”
 
“More importantly, the left doesn't denounce them either and instead often "can't help but wonder what is all the fuss about?"
 
I didn’t bother to look and see if anyone denounced the Carlson incident.  But I see denouncements of things like Gifford’s stupidity.
 
 
“Nazis (the literal National Socialist German Workers' Party of Germany in the last century)
 
Does this mean there are actual cobblers in peach cobbler?
;)
 
“were socialists.”
 
Except they didn’t act that way when they came to power.  Hitler ejected the actual Socialists from the leadership of the party in 1932.  The remainder died in the Night of the Long Knives.  The only real “Socialist” left was Joseph Goebbels and he never persuaded Hitler to adopt Socialist policies.  Capitalism cruised right along with nary an issue.  This only changed due to the war and even then there was never actual “Socialism” in Nazi Germany.
 
Flying Junior Added Nov 12, 2018 - 4:44pm
Bill Kamps,
 
Are you telling me they had a permit to invade the University of Charlottesville?  Gee, I guess I really am ignorant.
 
Little wonder their gathering was declared an illegal assembly before noon on Saturday.

Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2018 - 5:26pm
TraitorLynn, the resident neocinfederate, applauads Lindsay like a trained seal over that rightists rileup word, Marxist, but yet neither rightist whizbang can tell you what is Marxist, per usual. It, Marxist this and that then, ol Lindsay whizbang talks about how leftists are doin someting "Maoist," but, of course does say what or how something or other is Maoist.  Did TraitorLynn and Lindsay rightist virtue signal enough?  I doubt it will stop.  Remember, TraitorLynn, Lindsay is a catholic, if he has his way, Pope Frank will be telling you what to say, pray and act.  LOL
Riley Brown Added Nov 12, 2018 - 5:42pm
Opher, there is no comparison between people who go to a concert without any intention to become involved in violence and people who go someplace so they can fight it out with people they don't like.
 
When  you go somewhere hoping to beat up people you don't like, you have to know that the people you hope to beat up might not be the only ones hurt.  No now who goes to a concert brings that kind of baggage with them.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:17pm
TexasLynn,
You are right about one thing, and that’s when you talked about how “the left doesn’t denounce them either.” This has been the left’s biggest mistake for decades. Whatever we don’t denounce gets attributed to us, even if most of us wouldn’t do it and don’t approve of it. That’s why flag burning is still an issue trotted out every once in a while. 
 
Riley,
I don’t have a need for Nazis to have their faces busted in. I have a need for anyone watching them to understand that what they do is not acceptable. The President implied that it was with his “good people on both sides” bullshit, undoing a lot of the protestors’ work. The country was mostly against the Nazis but then they were defended by the voice that counts most, particularly where law enforcement is concerned. 
 
And then some guy by the name of Robert Bowers concluded that it was acceptable. He didn’t protest, or maybe he did, but if he did that’s not the important thing he did. The important thing he did was walk into a synagogue in Squirrel Hill, PA and kill eleven people while shouting “All Jews must die!”
 
You may not see them as related. But it’s like what they found in New York City. When they sandblasted and painted over graffiti, crime dropped. It’s based on the principle that people are more likely to litter if there’s already litter on the ground. 
 
We know they’re related, because when Trump became the Republican nominee for President, the hate crime rate basically skyrocketed. At the time, there was no other obvious cause, and a lot of the perpetrators referenced Trump. 
 
I understand that it’s free speech. So is counter-protesting. And regardless of what anyone says here, whatever Antifa or anyone else anti-Nazi did in Charlottesville doesn’t hold a candle to murdering a woman with a car. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:48pm
Riley - the vast majority of those people went along to non-violently oppose fascism. They did not go along to beat people up!
When you have Nazi thugs marching on the streets you need decent people opposing them. Those Nazi thugs were armed to the teeth looking for trouble. Non-violent protest is required.
'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.'
opher goodwin Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:49pm
Kosher - yes - the guy at the top set the tone!
George N Romey Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:56pm
Give me a fucking break. Nazis marching the streets. Yes there’s millions of them parading down every city street.The people dumber than the Nazis themselves are the morons that think there’re a huge threat. Trump is right to simply ignore them. I guess he should come out and denounce people into sexual bondage.
 
Name 5 well known Nazis.
Riley Brown Added Nov 12, 2018 - 6:58pm
koshersalaami, you see a threat from US based white supremacists and I only see idiots who can't do any more than look foolish in meaningless rally's.
 
As for any group including the white supremacists having the right to do things like carry guns in public, are you suggesting anyone who does should be arrested, or only the people you don't like?
 
If its only the people you don't like please explain how your expect the police to differentiate, if the bad people don't do anything illegal?
Riley Brown Added Nov 12, 2018 - 7:05pm
Opher, I am not ashamed of the people who went there to protest nonviolently, I respect their convictions, and hope their efforts accomplish their goals, even if I suspect they may actually provide the white supremacists with what they want.
 
The people who staged nonviolent protests may have cause a lot more news coverage than otherwise might have existed, which white supremacist groups need to help them recruit more losers but they didn't inspire any violence.
 
The few that went there to fight upped the ante and share responsibility for the damage inflicted by the fighting.  I understand they felt compelled by the evil they saw, but since that evil was nonviolent, I don't think vigilantism style justice was justified or needed.
 
 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 12, 2018 - 7:08pm
When have I suggested that they be arrested? 
 
Yeah, George, guys like that are harmless. Except in Pittsburgh. I guess Robert Bowers is famous now. I don’t know if he’s technically a Nazi. 
George N Romey Added Nov 12, 2018 - 7:11pm
Yet everyday drunk drivers kill people. So where are the protests?Why hasn’t Trump come out and denounce drunk drivers? Seems to me drunk drivers are a hell out of lot more dangerous.
Riley Brown Added Nov 12, 2018 - 7:17pm
Koshersalaami, in Charlottesville there were white supremacist scum and I also think there were good people who have no desire to associate with or support them, who wanted to protest the removal of their historical statues.  Most of them were non-violent.   I won't lump all of them together, they are not the same.
 
I for one am sad that so many historical statues were removed, I've been there and in other parts of the country where there were important Civil War fights, and those statues helped me understand that part of our history.  I don't believe anyone benefits when we rip out all the evidence of your past that we are ashamed of, I think doing so is a disservice to future generations.  Every one of those statues was a living reminder of what happened that had the power to make children and future generations ask what it stood for and learn about the history that inspired the statue.  What they get told might not be what the statue's creators hoped they would learn, but it's sure a lot better than forgetting that part of history ever happened because there are no living reminders.
 
Even Gettysburg has lost a lot of the living reminders of what happened there and I am sad to see that happen.  It is much easier to understand the turn of events when you can see real things that havn't changed much since the battles were fought.
 
I also went to Arlington and that was one of the most moving things I've ever done.  Are we going to destroy that too, or perhaps just destroy the parts that aren't PC to remember?  Altering THINGS doesn't change history, and our future generations should know as much as possible about our history so they can understand how we got where we are today.
goldminor Added Nov 12, 2018 - 8:18pm
@ koshersalaami ...haven't heard much more about Bowers background as of yet. The first info out suggests that he was a loner according to his neighbors. He was a Trump hater. Who knows who else this guy hated. Obviously a tragic situation with the loss of life. I am glad that he ended up dead.
 
I have many Jewish relations although I was raised Catholic, my father's religion. Everyone needs to remain more alert as the times have changed, and that is not Trump's fault. It is ridculous to blame every bad thing that happens in the world on this one man. I look at it as a form of mass hysteria such as has been documented in the past.
goldminor Added Nov 12, 2018 - 8:21pm
Besides the drunk drivers killing people there are on average 12 blacks killed every day in the nation, a massacre every day of the year. Such is the world in which we live. Note how the media avoids that topic for the most part with the exception of the more brutal weekends where the body count is higher than normal along with the count of those wounded.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 12, 2018 - 9:04pm
Well, the only thing is to kick back and watch America sink into a Brown Cesspool. The Rileys, the Cullens, the TexasLynns can't stand up for their own people!
 
I guess the only thing I have left is schadenfreude. As the Prots, the Atheists, the Jews destroyed Christendom, I get to observe, first row seats, the Protestant Novus Ordo sink into oblivion. So sad. 
 
Can't wait for La Raza to take over America. 
Flying Junior Added Nov 12, 2018 - 9:45pm
Not a threat?  Did you really fucking say that?

Flying Junior Added Nov 12, 2018 - 9:46pm
Hey Lindsay!  Save some hatred for the ladies.  :-)
Morgoth Added Nov 13, 2018 - 1:03am
@Lindsay Wheeler:
 
Sounds great!!!!  What’s the timetable???
FacePalm Added Nov 13, 2018 - 4:06am
Lindsay is under the mistaken impression that there is any other race than human.
It is his obvious hatred of all who are not white Roman Catholics which will be his undoing, unless he repents, and right quick, too.
George N Romey Added Nov 13, 2018 - 8:07am
If the media reported on the excessively black on black violence they couldn't pin it on Trump or their supposedly millions of KKK members.
TexasLynn Added Nov 13, 2018 - 9:35am
Sorry to have let you down Lindsay...  From my perspective I'm just following the lead of my Lord who did not stand for "just" His own people; but rather extended His grace to me and mine.
 
He gave us (Gentiles) Paul, to let us know He is the God for all mankind.  I can't help but think that we are to consider every man a potential brother in Christ.
 
Galatians 3:28 (KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
America is indeed following the world straight to (figurative) hell... but it has everything to do with embracing worldly principles than the pigmentation of skin.  Last I checked, there are a few "white" worldly people out there.  My goal is to proclaim Christ to all; because I think that is what He wants me to do.
Riley Brown Added Nov 13, 2018 - 10:03am
Lindsay, how do you stand up for "your people" in a forum focusing on white supremacists and Nazi's?
 
Do you look the other way when white supremacists spew hate or do you march with them to show your solidarity?
Riley Brown Added Nov 13, 2018 - 10:11am
FacePalm, make no mistake, even thought I don't agree with lots of what Lindsay says, I do understand and respect people who want to protect their culture and way of life. 
 
In some parts of Canada that means requiring all signage to prominently be in their preferred language,  with other languages much smaller.  In some parts of Europe you can't even give your child a name that isn't traditional for that country. 
 
They don't want immigrants to change their culture and I understand side with them.  If you or I don't want to live that way we can stay home or move somewhere else where the rules are more to our liking but we have no right to move in and then change their culture.
 
I see no similarity between those types of nationalism and the white supremacists who call other people mud races and advocate uprooting peoples based on race so they can get rid of them.
opher goodwin Added Nov 13, 2018 - 11:13am
Riley - there are always a few nutcases who sully the waters. They get a bad name for everyone. But I contend most of us who despise Nazis are non-violent.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 13, 2018 - 11:30am
Riley, "who call other people mud races"
 
What do you say who want to turn the Whites into a Mud Race?  What then Riley?
 
Real Vince James reports on his  Red Elephants YouTube channel titled “Media Mourns Anthony Bourdain Dies at 61 in Apparent Suicide | Here Are Some of The Things He Said” shows a snippet of an interview between Bourdain and  another guy  who said “kind of utopia…the whole world will mix up with each other…there will be no white people anymore…only Cappuccino colored people.
 
Bourdain, who is Jewish,  replies “That is the Only Solution, turning all people …into a Singapore model. Hopelessly intertwined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21wEADMn-zI   Min. 3:32. Published on Jun 8, 2018.  Retrieved 06/10/2018
 
There you Go, Riley---The Plan. What is synonymous with "Mud"?  Come on Riley, is it not: Cappuccino colored people.
 
Here it is another plan: 
 
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/
 
What is this "Utopia"?  It is Jewish Ideology. 
 
So, Pope Riley, who is trained in Ethics, History, the Science of Culture, who knows the History of Communism and the Kabbala in Europe, What say you?  What do you have to say about People who are planning to turn the Whites into Cappucino colored people?
 
Do you have as much scorn for them?  No you don't! That is why you are Traitor to your people. 
 
Is Anthony Bourdain punished by CNN for his genocidal views?  No! They gave him a glowing memorial and produced more of his shows!!!!!  He is celebrated, remembered and feted!  
 
Come on, Pope Riley, please give us your Pronouncement! We await breathlessly for your solemn declaration of.....weaselness. 
 
The ONLY Solution!!!!!  The ONLY Solution was planned in the Renaissance. It's alright for the Jews to have a Final Solution for us Europeans!  I'm glad to know what side you are on, Riley. 
Riley Brown Added Nov 13, 2018 - 12:01pm
Lindsay, this is America and you don't need white supremacists to keep you safe from things like interbreeding, no one is forcing you to date or have sex with all those folks you dislike.
 
They also can't force you to eat their favorite foods, or stop you from eating the foods you like, and you are free to socialize as much as you want with the people you like, no one will force you to be friends with those you dislike.  You don't have to invite any of them to your parties.  They also can't tell you how to dress, where to shop or where to play, but I admit if you are revolted by them, you may wish to avoid going to their clubs.  That too is your right, you live in America.
 
Oh that goes for the Jews too, you are allowed to boycott them all you wish.  You can get a list of Jewish surnames and refuse to do any business with them, there are plenty of non-Jewish businesses.
 
I do think it's fair in return that if you and you buddies were to all show up at a restaurant I owned sporting Nazi tattoos and attire, you'd understand and respect me if I refused to serve you and your friends in my restaurant.  See... I'm just as bad as you, just with a different focus.
Riley Brown Added Nov 13, 2018 - 12:06pm
Opher I think most people are non-violent most of the time, even the white supremacists who do hold many rally's where all they do is make fools of themselves and then go home.
 
I try hard to look at the big picture and have concluded that when ignored, white supremacists do far less harm and there is less benefit to them, than when people who mean well confront them violently and then they get in the news.  To the white supremacists, that's a win and I want them to leave as discouraged as possible, not leave happy because they made national news.
Morgoth Added Nov 13, 2018 - 1:00pm
I’m really disappointed that Lindsay can’t seem to give us a timetable.  I was kinda looking forward to it.  
opher goodwin Added Nov 13, 2018 - 2:18pm
Riley - I think you are right. The violent opposition play into their hands.
But the neo-Nazi white supremacists are capable of huge harm and need countering.
opher goodwin Added Nov 13, 2018 - 2:20pm
Lindsay - roll on the mud people!! I'm all for it!! Hybrid vigour! The end of racism!!
Riley Brown Added Nov 13, 2018 - 2:54pm
Opher, I always temper my response to the threat. 
 
If a kid threatens me with a cap gun I might plead for mercy, if he has a sling shot I'd ask him not to aim it in my direction, but wouldn't dream of decking him if he's not already tried shooting it at me.  On the other hand if he has a real gun pointed at me I'd try to put him on the ground if he convinced me he was serious.  People with reputations for following though with violence need to be taken much more seriously and responded to much more sternly than those who are all talk and no action.
 
The vast majority of contemporary white supremacists in the US are disgusting scum with big mouths, but rarely resort to violence.  Sometimes they are joined by violent idiots who do resort to violence, but that's more the exception than the rule.  They are not supported by any large groups of people or any government group, so for today they are irritating but harmless.  A lot of bark but no bite.
 
Things could change and go back to the way it was in the past, like when the KKK had police protection and encouragement, and violence was not just ignored it was commonplace.  Thank God we've changed.
 
But for now, as long as the current crop of Nazi wannabees is all talk and no action, I think we're better off ignoring them, like you might a tough talking kid whose never hurt anyone but has a big knife.
John Minehan Added Nov 13, 2018 - 3:00pm
Less the "Singapore model' than the Brazilian model.  It has worked quite well there.
George N Romey Added Nov 13, 2018 - 3:04pm
Riley too many people like Opher think anyone that watches Fox News must be a Nazi and wants to kill nonwhites.  They are far less a threat than many other things.  You can't legislate intelligence and most opinions unless you want a police state.  
 
A much bigger problem is black on black crime.  Everyday there are murders in mostly black inner cities.  Where's the cry from media on stopping the carnage?  Of has media just written off the poor?  Answer, yes because the brutal truth is that the privileged elite care very little for anyone economically disadvantaged.
 
I guess Trump could speak up everyday about the genocide going on within our inner cities.  But wait, he'd be called a racist by those same people that really don't give a damn about how die a day, including the elderly and children.
Riley Brown Added Nov 13, 2018 - 4:24pm
George I think you're right, Democrats have been berating Trump over everything he says almost without thinking. 
 
It's true the black on black crime in many inner-cities is the greatest threat to young black men, dwarfing by comparison the threat they face from people of other races and the police. 
 
I tend to discount all the most popular excuses, racism, and poverty because the racism, generational poverty and crime in the black neighborhoods is not unique and does not hold other cultures like the Vietnamese back, they usually escape in a generation.  Too many of the people in poor black neighborhoods embrace the Gangster Culture, and all the bad things that go with it including the violence that kills so many of them.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2018 - 6:13pm
Yeah, that's it, Riley.  Vietnamese aren't gunned down by cops because they dare to be out in public in broad daylight, so they MUST be criminals, and obviously wanting tp victimize "good white people," so shoot 'em dead.  It doesn't matter if it's hundreds or a few.  The cops continue to be called by good white people upset blacks are in their communities or neighborhoods, the "BBQing while Black" lady, or "How dare you sell water on a street where I  live," lady, or the recent "You people don't belong here lady, the law responding to these calls like they were a bank robbery.  Or my favorite, black people, wanting to use public services like the police, get shot and killed "because she went crazy." The cops body cams switched off, of course.  We have those cop's word for it, they're both white, so they must be telling the truth.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 13, 2018 - 8:10pm
Riley writes: "Lindsay, this is America and you don't need white supremacists to keep you safe from things like interbreeding,..."
 
BUT RILEY YOU NEED THE ANGLO-SAXON AND THE GERMAN AMERICAN TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY RUNNING!!!!
 
I've been around the world Riley! Where have you been?
 
All these people that you are bringing Riley Come from countries---that CAN'T RUN SH*T!  Been to Mexico?  Been to Africa? Been to Southeast Asia?  
 
You expect Riley that all these Africans, Pakis, Hispanics, Burmese to run a First World Country?  What America has Magic Dirt?  The Magic Dirt here will turn these people into Law abiders?  To run a city without corruption?  Look at Detroit---Black Run---Cess Pool. Baltimore, Black Run---Cess Pool. 
 
What planet do you live on, Riley?  I know Cloud Cuckoo-Land!
 
And I notice Riley--that YOU didn't mention any condemnation for the Anthony Bourdains, the Koshersalaamis of this world! Still Condemning me!!!!!
 
Ohh yea, Then our President of Cloud Cuckoo-Land Riley tells us pontifically that "no one is forcing you". 
 
Like how they sent Federal Troops in the 1950s to put the Boot-Heel on the Southerners AND DEMANDED that they desegregate!  Oh yea, there is NO Forcing going around!
 
And then the US Gov. had a plan to destroy the remaining ethnic enclaves in America of the Italians and Irish, all Catholic communities You can read it here: Roman Catholic Prof. E. Michael Jones, The Slaughter of Cities, Urban Renewal and Ethnic Cleansing
 
Ohh, there is "NO Forcing" going around is there!!!!!
 
Obama and his Housing Department purposely moved Section 8 housing into White suburban areas. 
 
Oh, yea, Pope Riley, there is none of this "Forcing" going around!
 
Instead of calling you Pope Riley, my new name for you is Hypocrite/Traitor-in-Chief Riley. When one looks up the definition of Hypocrite, it reads: Riley. 
Morgoth Added Nov 13, 2018 - 8:21pm
Lindsay, damnit, I need a timetable on this browning of America thing.  I figure it’s something to look forward to.
 
Hey, Lindsay, do you think to speed things up a tad the Communists in Congress can pass a law decreeing that everyone has to marry outside of their “race?”  That way we can get thing over with in a generation.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 13, 2018 - 10:22pm
Ever look at a Road construction crew?  How about builders?  Who is working on the sewer line?  Who are the techs repairing the machines in the factories?  
 
Whites, Whites, Whites. You think your Third Worlders are going to keep up the infrastructure of this complicated system called America?
 
How many Jews do you see on Construction sites?  How many Burmese working on the sewer lines. Or better yet, How many Asians get their hands dirty?
 
Commonsense have we, Riley?  You expect that the Black that can't even recycle his plastics to make the trains run on time?  How many Blacks in the engineering departments of the Bridge companies in America?  A ton, I know!
 
Who keeps this country running? Riley, you expect your brown and black hordes to keep the infrastructure up-to-date and live in clean cities? Yea, every Black is a just a rocket scientist just waiting to happen!  NASA has a ton of them!
 
I know, this thread is a comedy routine!  Must be because the propositions in here have no basis in reality!
 
Land Cucko-koo. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 13, 2018 - 10:56pm
Riley,
You don’t have to wear a swastika, carry a torch, chant “Jews will not replace us” or drive a car into a protestor to demonstrate to keep your statues. 
 
George,
You know why I blame Trump? Because when he became the Republican nominee, hate crimes started escalating. And a lot of those guilty reference him specifically. He could disown that phenomenon, but he doesn’t. He said “good people on both sides” and the FBI reports that antisemitic hate crimes increased 37% in the past year. 
Stone-Eater Added Nov 14, 2018 - 7:23am
Lindsay
 
you expect your brown and black hordes to keep the infrastructure up-to-date and live in clean cities? Yea, every Black is a just a rocket scientist just waiting to happen! 
 
You're such a fucking racist why don't you come over to Europe ? We lack people like you. There ain't not enuff punching balls around LOL
Lindsay Wheeler Added Nov 14, 2018 - 7:58am
Too bad the FBI don't report the Hate of the Jews for Europeans!  Only their gaslighting, their propagation of their ideology of race-mixing. 
 
I believe that protesters were beating on his car!  He was in fear of his life and hit the gas pedal!  Why hasn't it come to court yet?  Why the delay?  It's been two years now. Yea, AntiFa can attack people with impunity!  Antifa is the gestapo of the Jews.  Who do you think organized, orchestrated and led the SDS in the 60s?   Antifa-SDS-Weathermen---all violent Jewish organizations to beat any reactionary too stupid to stand up to their genocidal ways!
 
The Jews have their Stormtroopers, it is called the minorities and the "oppressed" all in one great hate campaign to destroy Whites. European Atheists, European liberals, the minorities and the raging bull-dykes called Feminazis!  All organized to beat down and destroy WASP America and the Christian religion!  
 
At the heart of this all is the Jew. 
 
See what stopped Jewish aggression and subversion were the Catholic Kings of Christendom. So the Jews organized a movement to rile up the stupid goyim cattle called the poor--and told them "Get rid of Kings"--and so they did. 
 
The Europeans were cheated, fooled, and bamboozled to get rid of their Catholic kings.   Now, look at the mess we are in. The last five hundred years has been one big con game. 
 
Now, the White poor and their future is going to disappear in a horde of Brown and Black. Stupid kids----The Future is for the Jews. 
George N Romey Added Nov 14, 2018 - 8:06am
Trump was the darling of AIPAC earlier this year.  Trump being from NYC real estate has successfully dealt with Jews all his life.  When did Trump say something antisemitic?   He's more pro Israel than Bernie Sanders, an actual Jew.
 
As I said most of the "hate" today is black on black. It happens everyday.  People, often innocent, children, elderly are murdered by predators.  Or how about small town white America being eaten alive by opioides. But the media ignores it.  Again, why?  Because ultimately the elites have never cared about poor people.  The politicians just like to use them for votes every 4 years.  
Koshersalaami Added Nov 14, 2018 - 10:27am
Trump is not an antisemite to my knowledge. Trump is not targeting Jews. He’s pandering to his base at the expense of Jews. That’s different. 
 
Don’t confuse support for Israel, at least in terms of policy, with support for Jews. They are very different. The most ardent support for Israeli policy does not come from the American Jewish community, most of whom don’t like the current government, it comes from the Christian Right for a variety of reasons that do not involve support for Jews per se. Support for Israeli existence is a different issue, an issue in which support for Israel and for Jews is way closer. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 14, 2018 - 10:29am
Sort of like confusing support for Lindsay with support for truth.....uh, no, sorry, those are considerably farther apart
Riley Brown Added Nov 14, 2018 - 11:13am
Lindsay, where you see imminent threats from our government forcing you to integrate I still see a country where you can choose to have nothing to do with anyone you choose to stay away from, including minorities and Jews.  I don't see that right going away anytime soon.
 
Yes our government has forced immigration, and I often think they go too far.  I think it's a two way street and if own a business and don't want to do business with me I not only support your right to do that, but would prefer to give my business to someone else who likes me.  Any club that doesn't want me doesn't deserve my money or patronage. 
 
I generally avoid trying to apply stereotypes from other countries because there are too many cultural differences that I often think overwhelm other factors such as intelligence and skin color.  What people do in other countries can teach me valuable lessons, but isn't' always applicable here.
 
Yes I do see how some cultures in the US, like generational poor blacks, tend to embrace cultures I don't approve of, but they are not alone, I see white people in Appalachia who seem to be content to be just as poor.  There are also lots of white and black people in this country who are very affluent and well educated.
 
Around where I live most construction has become dominated by Hispanic workers, mostly low paid and not well trained.  There are still lots of white Electricians and AC mechanics, but it' getting hard to get a job on a construction site if you don't speak Spanish fluently.  I do know several Jews who are Electricians and AC mechanics. 
 
As for who keeps this country running, well I think it takes all levels of people, from the President down to the Janitor and gardener and everyone in-between.  I don't know about you but when I go to work I want the bathrooms clean, so I value the people who do that just a much as I value the people who designed the building so it doesn't fall down in an earthquake.  You may want to get rid of the bottom half, but I don't.  People who don't aspire to get good educations are perfectly well suited for lots of jobs I'd rather not do.  How about you?
George N Romey Added Nov 14, 2018 - 11:40am
This goes to this nonsense that income inequality is solvable by a college degree, usually pushed by Democrats.  We've got too many college grads as it is.
 
Technology is and will continue to take away low skilled jobs. For example, already cleaning machinery is replacing human effort.  Therefore more Americans competing are competing for those lower end jobs, including recent immigrants and the uneducated.  Naturally the white uneducated blame the black uneducated for taking away their jobs and vice versa.
 
When people's lives are going well there's a far less tendency to want to hate others.  No surprise you don't see well to do Nazis, other than a few at the top that exploit their misguided followers for personal profit.  David Duke being a perfect example.
 
Ultimately this is an economic problem.  Trump his bluster and often clueless posture aside realizes the best answer to hate is a good job.  Moreover, what do we want in this country.  To arrest and jail people that say "naughty" words?
Koshersalaami Added Nov 14, 2018 - 6:15pm
Depends on the degree
Riley Brown Added Nov 15, 2018 - 1:59pm
George, in Calif we turned thousands of Felons lose, and they were convicted of very real crimes.  I can't imagine we would backfill with people who have potty mouths.
Jim Stoner Added Nov 15, 2018 - 2:26pm
I agree with the point several have made that white supremacists are Nazi wannabes.  That means they are not significant now, but they must be watched, and countered, assiduously.  Hitler was a wannabe for a long time before he got anywhere close to power (the depression being the key inflection point for him). 
My advice to Antifa-type groups is to make sure they get permission for a  (non-violent) counter-demonstration every time.  Separate, and separated. 
 
I lived a long time in the South, though I would not say I am "of it".  Robert E Lee is the touchstone of the controversy about statues, because he was a mix of some greatness and some awfulness, and because he was so prominent.   I suggest that local governments be entrusted with those decisions.
 
We can not/will not tear down every statue of a slaveholder, but we should be thoughtful about the characteristics we wish to memorialize for our descendants (check out Nietzsche's "Use and Abuse of History" essay for some guidance).   
 
The one that really bothered me was Jefferson Davis Dr. in Crystal City, VA.  That one really needs to be re-named; it goes right by the Pentagon, for shit's sake.   He is the poster boy for US traitors, and he wasn't even from Virginia (which would at least have provided some rationale for honorifics/horrorifics). 
Bill Added Nov 28, 2018 - 4:04pm
White supremacy is nonsense.  Asians and Indians are kicking our butts.
 
Comic relief aside, the whole notion of "racial superiority" is arrogant nonsense.  Even assuming for a moment that your "race" has some attribute you believe is to some degree better than another "race," populations are a bell curve.  In other words, the curve only shifts a point or two, and if you are in the top half of your "superior group" it might only boost you to the top 51% of the "inferior group" - and 49% of them are still "better" than you are.
 
Too, genetic science is a pretty well charted phenomenon.  Suppose the "Venusians" decide they are at a disadvantage to the "Martians" and are committed to putting the shoe on the other foot.  They start a simple incentive program paying "inferiors" in the group NOT to have kids and "superiors" in the group to HAVE kids.  In only two generations you would see the curve shift about one standard deviation - they (the Venusians) would now not only chart as superior to the Martians, but their Bell Curve would be tighter (less variation).  But more to the point, if you select on a single GOOD characteristic you may be unintentionally reinforcing a BAD characteristic.
 
Here comes Kahn Noonien Sing...
Morgoth Added Nov 28, 2018 - 4:11pm
Well said, Bill.
 
See, you and I can agree on some things.
 
;)