Islamic conquest can not be reversed

Falestinian 'leaders' do not give a damn about the SandLeeches and anyone who does is a demented fool. Humanitarian concerns are for humans, not leeches. Their estate is hair pie with cherries in the sky when they die, not in this world. You fools might learn that if you read Surah At-Taubah.


Get a clue!!! They do what they do 'cuzza what they believe. They are destined for Paradise if they do and Hell fire if they don't so they do and will continuing doing Jihad until someone wises up and exterminates them.


If the SandLeeches would make peace today, the Jihad would resume tomorrow because they are a small fraction of the Ummah. It's Islam, Stupid!!! All Islam, all sects, all denominations; all Muslims wheresoever dispersed over the face of the earth because Allah commands conquest.


Open a Koran and read 13.41 Allah gradually gives the land to Muslims through conquests and "there is none to put back his judgment". Meaning Islamic conquest can not be reversed, Allah guaranteed it. But Israel reversed it: living blasphemy. Only a damned fool believes he can concoct a scheme that will make Muslims accept the existence of Israel!!!


"Drive them out from where they drove you out." Israel did not drive them out, Muslims did, to clear the way for genocide. But, to them, it is Allah's divine ordinance and they want the orgy not the fire. You are doomed to failure and defeat because you do not know your enemy.


Troll Hunter Added Nov 27, 2018 - 8:49am
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 27, 2018 - 8:53am
Spain through off Islam in 1493 after some 8 centuries of Sharia rule. 
FacePalm Added Nov 27, 2018 - 10:13am
So did southern Europe up into Hungary, where they were defeated and driven out around the time of the Crusades. 
But if i don't miss my guess, this poster is Jewish, and wants to alert the West as to the danger the Islamist's pose.
Personally, based on the massive increase in crimes in Europe involving all sorts of assault/murder, i'd venture to say that it's obvious - but he may be a recent Autumn recruit.
i'd say he's a little late to the party on that score; Salman Rushdie beat him to it with the "Satanic Verses," and "Tommy Robinson"(not his real name) wrote a book outlining the passages muslims use to justify incredible cruelty to and abuse of anyone NOT in islam maybe a year or so ago...not that many of them are not equally cruel to their own...or even those who don't believe the "right" way.
Of course, to write about this topic almost anywhere else on the net is labeled 'Islamophobia,' which personally, i think to be a prudent course of action.  Many have warned and are warning us to this day.  Maybe the OP was tired of getting banned for his message elsewhere.
Anyone who's seen this video knows that despite the claim that only maybe 10% are radicalized, 10% of 1.8 billion is a sizable number...and it does not take a majority to prevail, but a tireless minority keen to wage war.  Best i recall, it was only 2-5% of Americans who defeated the British(with French help) during the Revolution.  Same with Bolsheviks, or Nazis, for that matter. 
Dave Volek Added Nov 27, 2018 - 12:26pm
Margeret Mead suggested that it takes only 2% of a population to effect some kind of social change, for the good or the bad.
I have gotten to know more than a few Muslims. Most are reasonable people; some are not. The unreasonable may indeed be 10%. But they also need to be organized and united and effective to effect the change they desire. The radical Muslims don't seem to have these traits.
It's sort of like trying to win a football game without ever going to practices and developing skills to play the game. All the zeal and enthusiasm and belief that you will win is no match for a well prepared team.
Liberal1 Added Nov 27, 2018 - 12:42pm
"But if i don't miss my guess, this poster is Jewish, and wants to alert the West as to the danger the Islamist's pose."
FacePalm, agreed, I smell a rat too.  I don't know about the Jewish part, but Israel does have an extensive, well trained (and paid) social media presence solely to spread blanket hatred against Muslims.
For me, the "give away" is the blanket condemnation and the use of terms like "SandLeeches" and, especially "Falestinian" which is a term I've heard IDF members use in referring to Palestinians.   
I know certain Muslim groups can be murderous, crazed bastards (and our government's covert funding of terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda really pisses me off), but you don't condemn billions of people for what a few of them have done.
I'm also sure that the bible contains some pretty damn blood thirsty passages, which means the Torah does as well, so slamming people for what is contained in the Koran is pretty hypocritical.
FacePalm Added Nov 27, 2018 - 2:41pm
You might enjoy the linked video in my previous post; ever hear of Brigitte Gabriel?  She lays a verbal smackdown on a muslim in the audience that is EPIC, with the oft-repeated phrase "the peaceful majority were irrelevant."
But take a little math into consideration: 10% of 1.8 billion is 180 million murderous, crazed bastards.  If you presume only 2%, that would drop the number to 36 million(though most intel agencies put that number at 15-20% of the 1.8 billion figure).  If you believe the gov't fairytale, it only took roughly about 19, armed with boxcutters, to kill many thousands of Americans.  36 million murderous, crazed bastards is not a minor problem, and minimizing it is extreme dumbassery, maybe a terminal case of it.
While it's true that effective war propaganda's first purpose is to demonize and de-humanize "the enemy," one can certainly prepare for the worst without necessarily indulging in hatred.  If you've ever had shots fired at you and you fired back, you're probably aware that being dispassionate improves your aim...
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 27, 2018 - 3:02pm
"Margeret Mead suggested that it takes only 2% of a population to effect some kind of social change, for the good or the bad."
Margaret Mead only talked to two persons to write her phony book in the South Pacific territory of American Samoa as she was prompted what to write what she  by  her mentor. Read Intellectuals by Johnson. Good info on Count Tolstoy and Marx as well. 
" Best i recall, it was only 2-5% of Americans who defeated the British(with French help) during the Revolution. "
With the current UK leadership I suspect it would only take half that number of Americans; sans the French who have not had a military victor since Austerlitz in 1805. 
Dajjal Added Nov 27, 2018 - 7:33pm
Troll Hunter, the post was lifted  with permission , from a Disqus comment thread on a Jewish site,.  The topic related to president Trump's "Deal Of The Century".
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 27, 2018 - 7:40pm
Margaret Mead was a hack who printed outright lies about Samoa.
All the Pacific Islanders are the same basic people (Tahiti, Hawaiians, even Maori of NZ) and were the most male-dominated, tribal people you could ever find. Young women were not sexually promiscuous, nor did they have a period of sexual awakening to discover themselves prior to marriage. 
A New Zealand sociologist in the 1980's claims he found in Samoa some of the young girls who talked to Mead back in the 1920's or 30's. They said, as old women, that Mead wanted them to talk about what boys they had 'been' with and eventually they just told her what she wanted to hear. 
Mead, allegedly, had an affair with one of the men of the Samoan tribe she was studying. I'm pretty sure a serious sociologist wouldn't be getting up to that. That would skew the very thing you're trying to study. 
That's something a hack would do who already had pre-determined what her conclusion was going to be. And who was just biding her time until she could leave. 
Dajjal Added Nov 27, 2018 - 7:47pm
You missed the mark, Face Palm. I am a backslid Methodist.  began learning about Islam in a Netscape message board in July of 'o1. I try to pay it forward by familiarizing others with primary sources.   I do not remember when I began contributing to blogs or began my own.
Islamophobia implies irrational fear. One who learns the doctrines & practices of Islam by reading the Koran, sahih ahadith, sira and jurisprudence is not an Islamophobe.  I want to help stamp out Islmophobia!
Check this out:
Dajjal Added Nov 27, 2018 - 8:00pm
Dave Volek: I recdommend Citizen Warrior's "Terrifying  Brilliance Of Islam"
Moe was illiterate, but not stupid. He deduced the hopes & fears of Bedouins and made them the basis of recruiting for his Arab mafia which he cleverly disguised as a religion. He convinced them they could go to war and Paradise or to the fire.   Their belief makes peace impossible.
Offensive violence is fard al-kifaya: communal obligation. When enough have joined the battle, the rest are excused. When infidels retaliate and occupy Muslim land, the fard converts to fard ayn: individually binding like salat and zakat.
"The Quranic Concept Of War" is a Pakistani strategy manual, only available as pdf. Google it and read pages 59 & 60. Destroy their Iman or be defeated!
Dajjal Added Nov 27, 2018 - 8:12pm
Liberal 1: I am not a paid shill. I am not a shill. I tell it as it is as a labor of love for life & liberty.   No sane entity would pay for my low quality rants.
I condemn Islam because it is a system of predation; an Arab Mafia disguised as a religion.  I condemn Muslims  'cuz they participate in and perpetuate  Islam.  See:
for the documented details.
Palestine is an attempt by Rome to erase Jewish history, renaming their territory after Philistine invaders. Palestine was never a national entity with a distinct  ethnicity, culture, language and government.
Prior to 1974, Palestine meant Israel and Palestinian meant jew.  Arabvic lacks P, Arab speakers can not pronounce the word! Falestinian is accurate; what they say and what it is: fallacious!
"SandLeeches" was coined because the ancient and original sobriquet is an insult to the American black criminal class since the SLs disguised a bomb as a pregnancy.
FacePalm Added Nov 27, 2018 - 11:07pm
I want to help stamp out Islmophobia!
By killing them all?
But thanks for taking the time to explain that the article you posted was lifted from a Jewish website, which would perhaps excuse my assumptions; seems i may have been correct, at least about the original source, if not you, personally.
i'm glad you didn't take offense.
But to reiterate, i think its quite prudent to consider that any and all muslims could snap at a moments notice and kill you for violating one of islam's precepts...even if you are quite unaware of it.
IMO, probably the only way to even BEGIN to turn the ideology of islam around is via Christ, whom islam acknowledges, even if muslims refuse to obey Him.  If the lesson can be taught that those who practice islam will reap EXACTLY and PRECISELY as they've sown, as Christ promises, perhaps we'll see a reduction in the violence and oppression.  Nothing like being hoist by your own petard to motivate one to do a serious re-think of their previous position, from my observation.
Troll Hunter Added Nov 27, 2018 - 11:56pm
I gold mine Face Palm's posts for even more horrific fairy tales that I use to scare kids to stay in school.
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 12:03am
No, FacePalm, I do not advocate killing Islamophobes! I advocate educating them so that their resistance to Islam will be fact based. I want each Islam resister to be able to cite and paraphrase the smoking gun ayat & ahadith.
I did not post the article, it was posted by Autumn Cote. My comment was the original source.
I do not advocate vigilantism. I advocate making our government do it's duty to protect us. There is no use in handing Muslims another victim card!
Hedaya is the manual of Hanafi fiqh. In the second volume, on pages 154...157, there is a discussion of letters of protection granted to infidels to pass through Dar al-Islam.  Such letters are only valid if issued by an adult male Muslim who is unencumbered and entitled to attack. It is plainly stated that every Muslim must be an object of terror to infidels on account of his liability of attacking.
There is no reliable way to sort the MINOs from the Believers and any MINO could get Iman and turn splodydope without warning.
Isa is the Islamic perversion of Jesus: fully human, not God's son, only a slave, not crucified, dead nor resurrected; to return and lead Muslims in the final genocide. Good Catholics may want to turn away at this point. Moe claimed to be "paternal half brothers of all the prophets"( including J.C.) and Allah married him to Mary, Mother of Jesus, in Jannah. Got that? He is Christ's half brother and step father.  Details & documentation are found in "The Defamation Of Jesus Christ".
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 12:22am
Troll Hunter, there is some logic in his comments. Primitive tribesmen tend to have intense faith  and act on it.  Removing Islam from them would leave a void to fill. Christianity is the best replacement.
But the Koran demonizes Jews & Christians. To the extent of their knowledge of it, Muslims are resistant.  You might as well try to convert a Bishop to Satanism.
Arabic culture is shame/honor based.  it is necessary to make Muslims ashamed of their affiliation with Allah & Moe. Some Muslims apostatize after reading Sahih Bukhari and learning  the stories of Aishs, Umm Qirfa & Asma bint Marwan. 
Publication of "Fitna"  and "Innocence Of Muslims" PO'd Muslims, but their conceptual content is true. I blogged both videos with detailed analysis.
A full length feature docudrama based on sira and dubbed into Arabic, Farsi & Urdu would go a long way to start the revolution. A supplemental series of videos based on hadith would nearly complete the task.
FacePalm Added Nov 28, 2018 - 7:38am
the French who have not had a military victor since Austerlitz in 1805
Well, the old joke used to be "Why do they have an Arch of Triumph?  They've never USED it," but Napoleon had a number of victories subsequent to 1805, and the French military had little trouble conquering virtually unarmed Africans, either, in the 20th century.
Nice to know that TH considers my comments to be gold.
You might as well try to convert a Bishop to Satanism.
Unfortunately, quite a few have, especially under the current pope, who is apparently refusing to investigate not only priests involved with pedophilia(an obvious criminal activity), but the multiple bodies found on Vatican grounds which are suspected to have been victims of satanic rites.
i'm aware of at least 2 youtube vids which describe NDE's muslims have had, who, upon awakening from their experiences, immediately sought baptism as Christians, despite the qu'ranic dictates that any who leave islam are to be murdered.  Must've been a quite convincing experience, to risk being murdered for leaving islam, right?
People like that would likely be excellent witnesses to help turn the tide.  The barbarism that is evident in far too many muslims needs to be stopped, preferably by persuasion, but by force when need be.
i'd suggest that the place and people to start with would be the imams who teach the barbarism.
I do not advocate killing Islamophobes!
Never said you DID.  What you DID say(unless you were quoting verbatim from the originator) is this:
"They are destined for Paradise if they do and Hell fire if they don't so they do and will continuing doing Jihad until someone wises up and exterminates them."
You can see, perhaps, how i might come to the conclusion that you want to murder muslims, right?
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2018 - 9:05am
This topic keeps showing its head on WB.  So I will start with a question to you Dajjal that I have asked Christians when discussing Islam.  Mohammad says Islam is part of the book as are Christians and Jews.  So in may reading of the book I can not find one person that is designated as a profit and at the same time is a major government leader.  This is of course is the situation with Mohammad.  Islam's promise land in the planet while Jews is a small patch of land that happens to be where the present day Israel is.   Not one of the kings or other government officials once the promise land was established, stopped being nomads, is also a profit at the same time and their are many.   The conclusion from this is that Mohammad because he was a government leader and lead an army to conqueror territory to at to the promise land is not a profit, can not be both. 
Dajjal please do not give me waving of hands.  I am looking for names of people and the time period and position they held and the dates and word that they presented that was from got.  FACTS.   If Mohammad is alone in being the only person claimed to both a leader of armies and the government and also speaking for God then say so.   And if possible give the reason Islam give why God has made this singular exception.  Jesus is the only singular event for Christians.  Jews do not have a singular event.  
I am aware of "Taqiyya (also spelled taqiya or taqiyyah) is lying to
advance Islam and/or to prevent harm to Muslims (taqiyya literally means "prevention"). Muslims justify taqiyya from the Quran, other Islamic texts and the example set by Muhammad . . . "The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers.
Whoever does this is exiled from Allah. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution." - Quran 3:28"  We know that Muhammad made a treaty with a Jewish town that was well defended, and then broke that treaty when they lowered there defenses and conquered the town. Ref:
I am a disbeliever so I require sufficient facts with citations so that your not applying 'Taqiyya.'   
Are you going to be the first t respond?  
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2018 - 9:20am
The stone walls around the Vatican City is the result of Muslims attacking Italy for centuries and actually holding portions of the boot for long periods of time.   This is what Wikipedia says about what happened to the Muslims when they lost Spain.  
Islam was a widespread religion in what is now Spain and Portugal for nine centuries, beginning with the Umayyad conquest of Hispania and ending (at least overtly) with its prohibition by the modern Spanish state in the mid-16th century and the expulsion of the Moriscos in the early 17th century. Although a significant proportion of Moriscos returned to Spain or avoided expulsion through various means, and the decree never affected the country's large enslaved Muslim population, the indigenous practice of Islam had faded into obscurity by the 19th century.[1]
Nevertheless, throughout modern history there has always been a constant presence of Muslims in Spain, many of which were former slaves (known as 'moros cortados') freed in the early 18th century. . . . 
As of 2016, Spain officially had 1,919,141 Muslims out of a total population of 46,438,422, or slightly above 4%, of the total population. Out of these, 1,115,124, or 58.7%, were immigrants without Spanish citizenship. Spain's Muslim community includes 804,017 Spanish citizens (42% of total) and 753,425 Moroccan citizens (39.2% of the Muslim community and over 67.5% of Muslim foreigners). Other smaller communities include Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Algerians, Senegalese and Nigerians. As for Muslims with Spanish citizenship, in 2016 these included 277,409 naturalized citizens (mainly from Morocco), 430,990 descendants of naturalized citizens, 64,334 Ceuta/Melilla Muslims (naturalized by decree in the early 80s) and 23,624 were Spaniards of Catholic Christian background who had converted to Islam for marriage or out of personal religious conviction.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2018 - 9:43am
My final question to you Dajjal which I have asked of other Muslims on WB is the status of the call to reform in 2015. <<In a speech on New Year’s day, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi called for a “religious revolution” in Islam that would displace violent jihad from the center of Muslim discourse.
“Is it possible that 1.6 billion people (Muslims worldwide) should want to kill the rest of the world’s population—that is, 7 billion people—so that they themselves may live?” he asked. “Impossible.”

Speaking to an audience of religious scholars celebrating the birth of Islam’s prophet, Mohammed, he called on the religious establishment to lead the fight for moderation in the Muslim world. “You imams
(prayer leaders) are responsible before Allah. The entire world—I say it again, the entire world—is waiting for your next move because this umma (a word that can refer either to the Egyptian nation or the entire Muslim world) is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.”
He was speaking in Al-Azhar University in Cairo, widely regarded as the leading world center for Islamic learning.

“The corpus of texts and ideas that we have made sacred over the years, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. You cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You must step outside yourselves and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.” >>
Is there any effort on his call? 
Spain, Italy and the Baltic nations are the exceptions to your opening article <<13.41 Allah gradually gives the land to Muslims through conquests and "there is none to put back his judgment". Meaning Islamic conquest can not be reversed, Allah guaranteed it.>>   It is clear from Wikipedia that Muslims were driven out of Spain and I am sure the other countries.  So your statement is not  an absolute.  YOU CREATED THE QUESTION I HAVE ASKED AND THE ONE <<Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi called for>>
Are you giving us a 'Taqiyya' answer?  Curious minds want to know! 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 28, 2018 - 10:43am
I have read, in the past, that 'Taqiyya' , meaning hiding the truth, is but a complex military or religious  mechanism designed to confuse the infidels. 
This impacts on the phony notion of diplomacy where mere words are used by both sides to deflect or invite other actions not  currently in play. Recall: "We will have peace in our time."
The message in the Quran is quite clear: Take lands and peoples with the blessing of Allah however long it takes. The speech by Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi may be based on geopolitical and military considerations and is probably not meant to change the direction of the commands in the scriptures. And, who is the audience for this? Egyptians? Iran? US?
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2018 - 1:34pm
Pres. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi was addressing the audience for that message, JFK Democrat.   Islam was a dominant power in the world from ~800 to the industrial revolution started in earnest ~ 1750.  They used those that conquered to conquer the next piece of land.  To prove you converted to Islam your men were made solders in the next campaign and if they didn't them died on the spot.  Very effective.  
When the age of muscle power and wind was yielding to the mechanical power of combustion and science with the help of combustion made more quantity and newer materials Islamic nations were no match.  That is the simple truth.   Adam Smith was just the spokes person writing down what everyone knew that the land barons were no longer making the critical decision, merchants were.  For Islam the religious leaders, land barons, and military leaders retained control of the critical decisions.  They formed the upper class.   In Europe that upper class lost control to the merchant class that know shared power.    What JFK Democrat, Pres Abdel Fattah al-Sisi is pointing out that the dogma that worked so well for centuries doesn't anymore and to continue not seeing that it doesn't work will only get everyone killed.   The audience he was speaking to are the keepers of the dogma of Islam.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:41pm
Thomas Sutrina
"Pres. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi was addressing the audience for that message, JFK Democrat. "
"What JFK Democrat, Pres Abdel Fattah al-Sisi is pointing out that the dogma that worked so well for centuries doesn't anymore and to continue not seeing that it doesn't work will only get everyone killed.   
The audience he was speaking to are the keepers of the dogma of Islam. "
This must mean the conservative Islamists like the leaders of Iran. 
This gets us back to the local political arena. We could review that specific history of Iran with the Shaw and all that and the overthrow, aided by Jimmy Carter, the revolutionary aftermath and the current status. Where can we find a period where the revolutionary dogma failed the leaders of Iran?
In Islamic empire terms or even narrow, local  religious settings, I cannot see Iran as having failed in any way offering the stipulation that economic levels, inflation and poverty are not priorities in Islam. The rich and poor are treated equally. 
What Iran needs to continue to succeed is another Useful Idiot like Peanut Jimmy  or George W. Bush and Barack Obama who can blunder away opposing forces that threaten the current Islamic force. Iran was invited into Iraq to 'help out' as soon as US forces quit the field. They are still there due to the schism in Islam. Obama dutifully paid his due to Islam with a plane load of Swiss Francs. What Iran does not need is a major problem like Donald J. Trump. 
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 7:31pm
Face Palm: this is the quote I was working off
"I want to help stamp out Islmophobia!
By killing them all?"
Jihad is military. Exterminating the enemy in an existential war is a military function: performed by government armies, not civilians.
While one believing Muslim remains, he will breed or recruit more and eventually resume the jihad.
I have seen some of those videos. I have seen a report of North African Imams mourning over mass conversions.
I have read of two Imams who apostatized & became preachers of the Gospel.  Every church should be praying for Muslim epiphanies and the governments of Dar al-Harb need to create departments of ideological warfare.
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:05pm
Thomas Sutrina:  Moe being a singularity does not constitute proof or disproof of his claims.
Who led the Jews through the Red Sea while pursued by Pharaoh?  Who led them into battle in the conquest of Canaan?  They had Prophets back then, not Kings. 
But all the biblical Prophets had one common attribute which Moe does not have: they were  Hebrews.  Moe falsely claimed apostolic succession by asserting that the same deity dictated the Torah, Injil & Koran. But Jewish & Christian scriptures were  inspired, not dictated.  The Koran claims to confirm what came before but actually contradicts it.
Prophets received revelations through dreams and visions. were they hallucinating? We have no way of knowing. Believe them or not. 
Moe claimed to have "clear dreams that always came true", hear the voice of Jibril, which nobody else heard and to receive inspiration through the sound of a bell ringing in his head.
That was before the invention of Morse Code; how did he have a clue as to meaning from a bell?  He said that "the bell is the musical instrument of Satan" and that angels would not go with a company among whom there is a bell.  He said that with every bell there is a devil.
That ain't all! Moe also said he had "an attachment of devils".  Documentation is in two pdf files:
The issue of situational scripture is crucial!!! Numerous ahadith  describe how certain verses were "revealed". visit and enter these terms in the full search tab: "I feel that" and "was revealed".
Moe's favorite child bride finked on him in Bukhari 6.60.311 when she said his Lord always hastened to fulfill his  desires. 
The descriptions in other hadith, some in Bukhari  vol. 1, Book 1, make it  obvious that he suffered from grand mal epilepsy. 
Allah supposedly commanded a pen to write 51,000 years before the creation and put the Koran under angelic protection. But Moe allowed a scribe to make edits and "Allah put some truth on Umar's tongue".  That last quote may not be accurate and it is deep in Sunan Ibn Majih, if memory serves. It might be easier to find in Jamih Tirmidhi. It relates to the revelation of 33.59.  You can see the truth about the verse of hijab in a recent post at .
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:12pm
Thomas Sutrina I believe that Robert Spencer's new book about the History Of Jihad From Muhammad... contains information about the conquest of Spain and Muslim cruelty to conquered Christians.
Muslims are currently reconquering Europe through Hijrah "emigration".  Ghadafi warned of it already, now it is happening.
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:24pm
Thomas Sutrina: Not being Muslim, I do not engage in  al-Taqiyya, Kitman or other forms of Islamic deception.
I have no proof and no evidence to substantiat it, but  believe that President El-Sisi is either insane or spewing al-taqiyya.  His statement to the Sheiksh of Al-azhar would, if sincere, constitute his death warrant under Reliance Of The Traveller o8.0...7.
Islam is perfected for you as stated in 5.3. How do you improve on perfection? Allah says "None can change his words" & "no change let there be".  Moe cursed anyone who would "change Islam after me" as "far, far from mercy", meaning in the fire.
Yes, I openly declare it! Dr. M.J. Jasser, Raheel Raza & Tarek Fata etc. etal are either suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance or spewing al-Taqiyya!!!
For the documented details:
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:36pm

Thomas Sutrina: You have correctly derived the Islamic method from 4.89 & Sahih Muslim 19.4294. I liken it to vampirism.
I can't source this, but there was an imprisoned Egyptian dissenter arguing for delay of Jihad until the Muslims were ready, meaning nuclear ascension as per  8.60 in Hilali/Khan and the Ma'ariful Qur'an.  He tried to make it look like a reform proposal. The name that comes to mind is al-Fadl.
Dajjal Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:49pm
rycK the JFK Democrat" Isdlam is not concerned with the welfare of the Ummah. It's only concern is with the caliph, the descendants of the profit and the subordinate rulers.
The fools offering   proximate solutions to the insoluble problem of Falestinians overlook that fatal fact.  Make the Ummah prosperous and happy and you enable them to better equip themselves for Jihad. 
Anyone having humanitarian concern for "Gazans" is an accursed fool. Worrying over their "humanitarian crisis" is a fool's errand.
At , in the full search tab, enter "spend". Concentrate on the hadith and Tafsir Ibn Kathir hits.
See also:
FacePalm Added Nov 29, 2018 - 9:32am
Face Palm: this is the quote I was working off
I want to help stamp out Islmophobia!
By killing them all?"
My point was that if there are no practitioners of Islam left, there's nothing left to be afraid of - right?
Jihad is military.

8 forms of Jihad.
Apparently, all have the same goal - to conquer the world for Allah.  Not going to happen, especially if/when the provisions of the McClaren-Walter Act of 1952 are applied and enforced.
But i have a proposal for a plan to limit the threat in America:
Any and every Muslim who immigrates here is required to take an Oath of fealty to the Constitution.
If any of these subsequently teach, promote, or worse, attempt to enforce Shar'ia(since Shar'ia is intended to REPLACE all law everywhere), they're oath-breakers, felony perjurers, and should be prosecuted for this felony, then, upon conviction, my preference would be that they're imprisoned at hard labor until they can afford their ticket to any country ALREADY practicing Shar'ia, with the generous proviso that any of their friends or fellow-muslims can contribute to a fund set aside expressly for the purpose of deporting them.
Why should American taxpayers be compelled to fund the deportation of convicts?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 29, 2018 - 10:11am
"Apparently, all have the same goal - to conquer the world for Allah.  "
That is what the Koran states with no time limits so it is an ongoing process.
"If any of these subsequently teach, promote, or worse, attempt to enforce Shar'ia(since Shar'ia is intended to REPLACE all law everywhere), they're oath-breakers, felony perjurers, and should be prosecuted for this felony, then, upon conviction, my preference would be that they're imprisoned at hard labor until they can afford their ticket to any country ALREADY practicing Shar'ia, with the generous proviso that any of their friends or fellow-muslims can contribute to a fund set aside expressly for the purpose of deporting them."
We used to have the Alien and Sedition Acts but this was thought too severe and was dumped. 
The Brits, or the ragged remnants of the British Empire, tolerate Imams standing on street corners calling for Death to England while living on welfare. The mayor of London is Muslim and he apparently tolerates this conduct in what is now called Londinium. 
We are too generous and tolerant in my not so humble view and should place severe restrictions on voting and conduct of immigrants giving them a 10 year probation time and requiring location information being submitted monthly. Illegal aliens should never vote and for one violent crime they should be deported without judicial review. 
If you have ever been in South Central LA, almost anywhere in Oakland, E. Brooklyn, 8 Mile in Chicago, S.Bronx, Baltimore City you can realize that the 'citizens' there do not have what we might want to see as American Values. These places are toilets. I was in sales for years and visited most of these rat-holes and they are not safe. 
When a large segment of the population avoids the expected conduct then we approach a civil war situation. This forces ghettos and enclosed communities to compete and possibly interact in violence and competition. 
Now, such a war or a collapse of our economy is desired by the far left as they think they can pull off a French Revolution scenario and get rid of most of us. They apparently believe that 90% taxes, or higher, are appropriate as their 'government' can settle problems like poverty, racism and crime. 
To deconstruct an empire all you need only to do is take out a brick at a time for a long time and the left have no urgent time-pressure clocks running. They have the patience of reptiles. They import poverty to stuff ballot boxes so California is the world model for leftist takeover of states or nations. 
Trouble ahead. 
FacePalm Added Nov 29, 2018 - 4:35pm
It's called "replacement migration," in certain circles.
i like Trump, and especially how he's handling the border issue as well as the illegals currently infesting our country.
Give him some time, and i expect he'll address the situation adequately.
Reagan tried a one-time amnesty; that just encouraged a helluva lot more of 'em to come.  But it's also part of a UN, ergo globalist strategy, to overload social systems, put a drain on medical/school/road benefits(and etc.) so as to bring on the 'death of a thousand cuts.'  The globalists want their NWO/OWG SO badly, they'll do literally ANYthing to make it happen.
Their normal strategy has always been to create a situation or circumstance of despair, so they can emerge as rulers of us all, like they did with the original Great Depression.  But even THAT amount of control did not satisfy their lust for it; the next step is to implement the "china model" world-wide, if they can; already, Google is helping Venezuela to set up a Chinese-style national surveillance facial-recognition and "social credit score" system there, too.  For now, it's working in China; the surveillance is so total that only a spontaneous uprising involving the destruction of not only the cameras, but the data centers which hold the negative social credit scores stands a chance of overcoming it.  i'd strongly suspect that the locations of these data centers are not only a well-guarded State secret, but that they're heavily fortified, to boot.
We who see the consequences in the principle can avoid the consequences by taking steps against the principle, NOW.
If we do not, it won't be long before we're chipped like pets, like the chattel on the tax farms they want us to we'd be prevented from traveling, or lose jobs and no one will hire, or without being chipped, be excluded from obtaining goods at every store hooked into the Beast system, and slowly starve.  Everyone else will be afraid to help us, lest their "social scores" also be reduced, you see?
I strongly believe that Trump is perfectly aware of their plans, which is why he's been adamant about proclaiming himself AGAINST the globalists.  God bless him, and God bless America, the REAL one, the spirit of 1776 and resistance to all forms of tyranny.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 29, 2018 - 7:04pm
Dajjal [Nov 28, 2018 - 8:05pm], Moses or Moe is not the subject. A Jews were fortold that a Jew would come to get them out of bondage before Moses appeared. He is a profit, and I am not disputing the existence of profits. Moses was never considered a king and died before they stopped being nomads. No land was conquered or claimed. Moses was a de facto leader so long as he was accepted. That is why I do not consider him a singularity but he could be consider one just as easily.
The conquering of the promise land did occur with war and soldiers and leaders. None to my knowledge created an prophetic statements while leading an army. And all surrendered leadership after the military conflict.  Moses to my knowledge has no prophetic statement during the time pursued by the Pharaoh. They were on the other side of the Red Sea before the ten commandments were produced.
The chosen people ended with the ~550BC banishment to Babylon, the promise of a land ended.  Christianity and Islam and everyone could now be part of God's chosen. You make no great point in the 700's.  Since Christianity already allowed anyone starting ~650 years before.
The book shared by Jews, Christians, and Muslims define a history that contains prophets and their words. No discussion needed to define them as revelation of a dream, visions, and even hallucinations. I am not questioning Mohammad's visions and his words before he became a leader of warriors that defended his life that killed other humans or threatened them.
I am not claiming 'Islam-is-Demonic' and 'Allah-is-Not-God' I am questioning that prophetic words can come from a government leader that has the power of life and death at the same time.  As I said I can not find any other prophet that possessed these two powers at the same instance. And I will accept that a singularity can exist but Moses and Jesus coming were foretold. Moses is a likely singularity and Jesus is a singularity.
This is great theater but who can provide what was written 51,000 yrs before creation? Leaders have claimed to be Gods or to be inspired by God since man gathered together to form societies. Mohammad fits the characteristic of history, having an army, which every one of the leaders had, no exceptions. He is just the most successful to have an empire.
You have not presented any independent prophecy of his coming and what he would accomplish. That he would lead an actual army as part of that prophesy and also be a profit at the same time.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 29, 2018 - 7:09pm
I do not think that President El-Sisi  has anything to worry about.  No on put out a fatwa saying he should be killed.   To call on religious leader to examine a problem that is obvious in not forsaking the religion.
Dajjal Added Nov 29, 2018 - 8:18pm
Face palm: in theory, the threat would end with the death or apostasy of the last believer. In reality, it is possible that new converts could get Iman and resume the Jihad.
Muslims get Jihad credit for: dying in battle or on the journey, whether by enemy hands or disease, killing infidels, wounds incurred, participation, financing a Mujahid, supporting his family, praying for victory smf  propaganda.  There is partial credit for wanting to go if they can't afford it , are  disabled or lack parental permission.
No Muslim's oath can be trusted because of al-taqiyya.
Make life so uncomfortable for them that they'll self-deport.
Dajjal Added Nov 29, 2018 - 9:34pm
Thomas Sutrina, Koran, hadith & sira contain ample evidence  to prove that Allah and God are polar opposites, not the same entity. Moe prayed to the"Lord of the Devils and all into error they throw"|.  He prayed for prey and to the "Lord of the Devils".  He claimed to receive revelations through "Satan's musical instrument".
In "Benefits Of Iron", Ibn Kathir quotes a hadith in which Moe says he got his living by his spear. That hadith has been expurgated from all but one of the English hadith translations.
Moe's dual role as Prophet & ruler is natural 'cuz  Allah alone has the right to decide,, thus a monopoly on legislation & rule, which he delegated to Moe.
Follow the $$! 8.1, 41 & 67 fit hand in glove with Sahih Bukhari vol. 4, pg. 108 "What is said about spears"  Moe got his living by war plunder.
The ostensible objective of Jihad is stated in Hedaya 2.144: establishing and spreading Islam. The real objective is exposed on pages 145 & 214: spoils & slaves!
Moses was a liberator, freeing his tribe from Egyptian captivity and guiding them to the promised land.  Moe fabricated a false religion as a beard for barbarian rapine.
Craig Winn called it "2The Profitable Prophet Plan" in "Prophet Of Doom".
To see Moe fully exposed as a brigand, read his letters collected by Waquidi. This url will open to the page containing the letter to Ayl;a, the most explicit.
FacePalm Added Nov 30, 2018 - 2:23am
There is a feature here you may not be aware of.
In the task bar above a reply window, there's a symbol to the R of the U which resembles links in a chain.
If you pick a word from your last post, say "Tabaqat," you can highlight it, click on the "chain" icon, paste the URL in the proper slot, then OK it, and presto, a link.
This makes it easier for people to follow your sources and get informed.
i don't have much intention of arguing with Muslims, and thus getting bogged down in detail; i offer them Christ and His words, and they can choose to accept or reject.  For me, being well-informed enough to refute them via their own text is a "straining at gnats and swallowing camels" approach.  But hey...we all have different skills and talents, and i wish you well in the use of yours.  If you've attempted argumentation with muslim scholars before, i suspect that they may have gotten so mad as to issue a "fatwa" on you by now.
In my experience, nothing pisses off ANYone more than pointing out either their hypocrisy or their flaws.  i just received a quotation recently that is on-point:
"Toward no crimes have men shown themselves so cold-bloodedly cruel as in punishing differences of opinion."
-- James Russell Lowell(1819-1891) American author and diplomatist
Source: Literary Essays
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 30, 2018 - 11:03am
"i don't have much intention of arguing with Muslims, and thus getting bogged down in detail; i offer them Christ and His words, and they can choose to accept or reject."
They respected Christian words and doctrines and accepted Jesus as the 6th prophet but thought the process too lofty and simplified the religious duties. 
Plus they added 72 virgins with palaces for each for jihadists who gave their lives in the interests of Islam. That is a bunch more than Methodists offer. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 30, 2018 - 3:18pm
I did get off the subject by questioning the proof that Mohammad is a profit.  That is critical to win without killing more people.
So let us look at the world.  The poor nations are getting oil money  for economic help and education. Both grow the Muslim religion.
The socialist is America and Europe are using Islam to break the remaining foot hold of Christianity.  Socialism is itself a religion with human gods.  Socialism is a failed economic system as we see around the world. Thus they need the low expectation immigrant and the low labor cost that goes with it.  Islam creates chaos as we see because the society rules are different.  Muslims sees themselves as a superior group of humans so are less likely to alter their society rules, chaos will result as we see in Europe.
We can never defeat Islam when the government is a fifth column.
So long as dogma from the age of agriculture rules Islam they will stay a weak economic power that can only steal technology from others.  Just as ISIS did.
Islam using the convert or die approach grew from the 750's to the industrial age took root in the Christian world.  And then they started to loose territory.  Converted population plus their own population was not enough to defeat technology.  Technology always in the long run wins. 
 Remove the fifth column and sliding back of Islam will continue if government focuses on eliminating the false belief that Muslims are superior to all other humans and thus serve at the pleasure of Islam.    Teach our Christian,  Jewish, socialist, and atheist children this clearly stated founding and sustaining principle of Islam and the rate of decline will be directly proportional to those that understand the true nature of Islam. 
For me the true nature of Islam is that Mohammad the conquering leader give up being a profit.  One or the other but not both.  That is the message not often looked for in the shared books of Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
Dajjal Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:53pm
Face Palm, I drifted away from direct confrontation with Muslims after  being executed at FB for the nth time.  I only get into a few who latch onto one of my comments new.
My fatwa came in relation to the now defunct F*** Islam FB group when I was an admin. That was probably ten years ago and I'm still alive.  Yeah, I  know of a fellow who was murdered  as a result of a Paltalk contact.
At 72 I do not adjust quickly to new stuff. I use Kompozer for blogging and Disqus automatically handles urls. I have not used a bbs editor since  the visual basic forum in '01.
Dajjal Added Nov 30, 2018 - 6:07pm
Ryck, the 72# is bogus. Some Imams preach it, but by digging deep in the hadith we learn more.  Each Shahid gets a maximum of two Houris, specially created beings that grow new hymens and  up to 70 Jewish or Christian women "taken from the fire".  Much of that detail is in the Description Of Paradise in vol. 4 of Jamih Tirmidhi.  Some of it is scattered in the Koran. memory serveth not but I think the  from the fire detail comes from Sunan Ibn Majah. 
The "grapes mistranslation"  trope is bogus. See the descriptions in Surahs  2 & 78.  Grapes do not have those body parts & functions.
About the deal: Allah's rewards; Moe made them post mortem.  The Muslim may get spoils in this world, but the houris, mansions, etc. are delivered after he is dead and resurrected.  The Muslim will never know he was conned.  The promises are fantastic; too good to be true but the Arabs were too dull to figure it out.
Dajjal Added Nov 30, 2018 - 6:29pm
Thomas Sutra: That last comment goes over the top. The analysis is too deep for most mere mortals. What field is your doctorate in? History? Political Science??
It became clear to me that you have too much figured out.  Those certs on your wall are a give away. Not 'nuff resolution to red them, but something is up.
Concerning Moe's prophethood: it's false. He was not a prophet and did not receive divine revelations. He misrepresented hallucinations and fabrications.
I can not cite chapter and verse but in the Koran Allah says that Moe is not a madman.,  In that surah, Moe was replying to critics who suggested he was a lunatic or mad poet.  Waquidi shines some light on that in the details of the Cave Of Hira incident. Moe heard strange sounds, saw strange sights   and feared he was going mad. Bukhari 6.60.311 gilds the lily!  He put words in the idol's mouth to sanctify his sexual predilictions!
Recall the scene in "Innocence Of Muslims" When Moe converses with a donkey?  In Ash-Shifa, there are stories about conversations with rocks and trees. Another about a wolf converting to Islam.
Doug Plumb Added Dec 1, 2018 - 9:01am
@Thomas re "We can never defeat Islam when the government is a fifth column."
So why are our governments a fifth column? Who would want to do this, why ? Who has the political power ?
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:16pm
Doug P., ask the Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkelprime minister of Sweden Stefan Lofven, prime minister of France Emmanuel Macron, and prime minister of Belgium charles Michel.    Others are following in their foot steps including the DIMMs in America.
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:30pm
I asked you, Dajjal, and I have asked anyone that brings up Islam to present in the common book shared by the three religions and I will include any book prior to 700 that tells of the coming of a 'prophet/King' or names a 'prophet/King'  I can not find it and I read the whole Bible new and old testament.  
No one to date has not presented anything. 
History of civilization has had hundreds or thousands of 'God/Kings' or what ever their title or 'God inspired/Kings' or even as Communism/Socialism does say there is no God but a human can have infallibility so should be the 'king.'  So it is logical to place Mohammad as a member of this list  The options are few to almost none existent. 
Again I offer anyone the opportunity to present another prophet/King or a series of prophecies that one is coming to safe man since they all say to save man or destroy man.  Without that the logical conclusion is: <<For me the true nature of Islam is that Mohammad the conquering leader give up being a profit.  One or the other but not both.  That is the message not often looked for in the shared books of Jews, Christians, and Muslims.>>  
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:36pm
Please do not play games and say that Mohammad is not a prophet.  Many of the thing he as done and said are taken as from God.
  Prophet definition

A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.

A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.

A predictor; a soothsayer.

Doug Plumb Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:46pm
re "Doug P., ask the Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkelprime minister of Sweden Stefan Lofven, prime minister of France Emmanuel Macron, and prime minister of Belgium charles Michel.    Others are following in their foot steps including the DIMMs in America."
I don't have to ask them. Their masters volunteer the information. You are telling me to ask a donkey a question. A donkey cannot speak.
Here it is admitted.
How is it that you think that Donald Trump or Angela Merkel or any of the others have any power ?
Doug Plumb Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:04pm
Thomas, you are familiar with Plato's Cave, no doubt, have you considered how it is appropriate for today or do you read this in a more abstract sense?  Its certainly true in that abstract sense, but true as well in the politic of today.
Men do fear truth more than anything.
Dajjal Added Dec 1, 2018 - 7:54pm
@Thomas Sutra I do not subscribe to the "3 Abrahamic Religions' trope, the "common ground" trope or the "shared scriptures" trope.
Moe was not a member of the set of Jewish Prophets 'cuz he was not a Jew.  His issuance of situational scripture also rules him out.
I admit that I do not depend on prophecy.  I do not believe that it is safe to base criticism of Islam on biblical prophecy or lack thereof.
A congruent pattern formed by Koran, sunnah & shari'ah shows that Moe was a Profiteer, not a Prophet.
Several years passed since I read this so I do not recall the details, . Download it, it's only 38 pages" "The Profitable Prophet Plan". I agree with Craig Winn's analysis.
My analysis is outlined in "What's Wrong With Islam & Muslims?" Everything is documented but the links to Reliance have been broken  'cuz the publisher zealously defends their copyright.
When Khadija croaked, Moe was out of work., He needed  an income stream and he needed to make it permanent to support his widows, surviving children and successors. QV 8.1, 8.41 & 8.67 resulted., Those are quoted and linked in the file. The three Iyar  are enough, but there is reinforcement in hadith. I quote and link to the most vital of them.
"The Book Of Khumus"  contains  88  evil anecdotes. Read it and curse Islam!  When finished reading that, turn to page 44 and read "The Book Of Jihad" , not to be confused with  the Execrable recruiting tool written by Ibn Nuhass. Fair warning: Do not open Nuhass' "Book Of Jihad" without first putting away all fire, spill and choke hazards. Put wives, children, pets and delicate objects in a safe room.
Dajjal Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:21pm
@Thomas Sutra  There are 40 generally accepted hadith qudsi. This book claims 110 sacred hadith  supposed to have divine origin and the same authority as the koran.
But the Koran is bogus!!!  It has no divine origin! It's sources are Moe's imagination  and stories plagiarized from Jewish & Christian writings.
Read how the Koran was revealed.  Clear dreams that always came true? A voice only Moe heard? A bell ringing in his head?  Written before the creation yet revealed concerning his companions?! Edited by a scribe!
Moe's claim of divine inspiration are obviously false,. Allah is not God!  Allah & Jehovah are polar opposites!  Moe's wife exposed his situational scripture.

4:82. Do they not then consider the Qur'ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.
Wikiislam nails them down!!!

Dajjal Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:34pm
@ Doug Plumb 
Obamination, who presided for 8 years, is a Muslim and salted the pentagon, intelligence agencies and bureaucracy with Muslims. Some of them are still in office along with many who are sympathetic with them.
Most European leaders are Socialists. Europe bought in the the Malthusian Doctrine & hedonism, so they quit reproducing in adequate numbers. Their work force is aging out with too few workers to support the welfare state.  They imported Muslims to pull the gravy train. Most of the recent imports are riders, not pullers.
There is a long established tradition of accepting Islam as a religion, which it is not. Islam is an Arab Mafia disguised as a religion.  Jefferson refused to exclude it from the Virginia Statute of Religious Liberty. which serves as a model for the first amendment.
Any governor who admitted the true nature of Islam would be hounded out of office as a "racist", "bigot" & "Islamophobe". 
If the population was aware of the fatal facts, there would be a great clamor for a new Crusade to make a final end of Islam.  Nobody has the political will to undertake that necessary mission so they ignore objective factual reality and condemn all who reveal it. 
Kristen Foley Added Dec 2, 2018 - 12:10pm
Seeing that you believe ALL Muslims will never stop trying to conquest, what is the rest of the world’s alternative to the problem?  Just what is it you suggest be done about the problem?
PS - I capitalized ALL because in emphasizing that word, I believe it will lead you to the correct answer.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 2, 2018 - 3:05pm
Kristen Foley
The Koran implies "ALL" be converted to Islam or they are barred from Heaven. The infidel is to be killed in only some instances. In the invasion of the Balkans and surrounding areas people were give a choice: convert or die. 
"A form of forced conversion became institutionalized during the Ottoman Empire in the practice of devşirme, a human levy in which Christian boys were seized and collected from their families (usually in the Balkans), enslaved, converted to Islam, and then trained as elite military unit within the Ottoman army or for high-ranking service to the sultan.[62] From the mid to late 14th, through early 18th centuries, the devşirmejanissary system enslaved an estimated 500,000 to one million non–Muslim adolescent males.[63] These boys would attain a great education and high social standing after their training and conversion.[64]"--
What can be done? War or controls. What else?
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 2, 2018 - 6:01pm
Dajjal, I really do not like for you to try to use Taqiyya on me.  You see in only took one search and in the first page were many sources. The connection the writings in the Old Testament and I may have gotten the name wrong to Muslims that pick and choose some as do Christianity and each sect. 
This is from Wikipeidia.  
"(Arabic: إسماعيل‎, Ismā‘īl) is the figure known in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam as Abraham's (Ibrahim) son, born to Hagar (Hajar). In Islam, Ishmael is regarded as a prophet (nabi) and an ancestor to Muhammad. He also became associated with Mecca and the construction of the Kaaba. Stories of Ishmael are not only found in Jewish and Christian texts, such as the Bible and rabbinic Midrash, but also Islamic sources. These sources include the Quran, Quranic commentary (tafsir), hadith, historiographic collections like that of Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, and Isra'iliyat (Islamic texts about Biblical or ancient Israelite figures that originate from Jewish or Christian sources)."   
I really do not care about you professing ignorance the connection is clear.  The question remains.  Find prophets that were also at the exact same time also government leaders with the power of law and force while producing a prophetic statement.  I can not find one.   Or present at string of prophetic statement for-telling the arrival of a such an individual. 
Prophecies for-telling Jesus imply that he is a King so the people implied that he would be a ruler with the power law with force.   But Jesus also didn't combine the two.  You can use the for-telling of Jesus and say that Jesus was not the one.  Moe is (Mohammad to me) could be the one, but then I require specific prophecy that says both he speaks for God and is a king with the power of the law and capacity to apply force including death by the word of the King.    I am just trying to reduce your wiggle room because you ignoring the challenge of proof.  
Dajjal Added Dec 2, 2018 - 8:31pm
@Kristen Foley:
Either Islam becomes extinct or civilization does.
Muslims believe that their salvation is dependent on participation in global conquest called Jihad.

The promise of eternal orgy and threat of eternal torment are powerful motivators for primitive cultures that tend to invest heavily in superstition.  While they believe, Jihad will continue.
The governments of Darf al-Harb need  departments of ideological war to make Muslims ashamed of association  with Allah & Moe. That is the key to  induction of mass apostasy, which is the key to victory.
Dajjal Added Dec 2, 2018 - 8:49pm
@Thomas  Sutrina
I do not know of any prophecy biblical or otherwise foretelling of  one combining spirtual and temporal power as Prophet & King. But the Bible has verses prophesying the coming of false prophets and liars.  Moe fits that pattern.
Moe's first wife had a cousin who was a Gnostic Monk, literate in the scriptures. When he died, Moe's revelations ceased and he became suicidal.
Moe's identity as a false prophet is confirmed by:
1. the means of inspiration
2.  allowing scribes to edit revelations
3.  allowing Umar to reveal a verse
4.  situational scripture
5.  internal contradiction /Naskh within the Koran.
Dave Volek Added Dec 3, 2018 - 9:04pm
Ryck & Cullen
I have to admit that I have read some material that does not put Margaret Meade in a good light. The fact that you need to point it out to me is a sign that there might be more truth to this story than I originally thought.
But I still like the Meade quote. A small group of united people can indeed move the world. I just don't see the 10% of radical Muslims doing this; they are far from united.
Sorry for not participating more on this discussion. I don't have a lot of time, and I'm having a hard time understanding your exact position on this topic. I could read deeper, but time and energy are not there.
Dajjal Added Dec 3, 2018 - 9:49pm
@Dasve Volek
Leon Uris popularized an old Arab Proverb: Me against my brother... us against a Jew. Thew Arab will fight his brother, gang up on their father, fight their cousin and the whole gang will unite against a Jew.,
Their divisions are mainly power rivalry. Islam is all about the wealth to be gained by conquests.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 4, 2018 - 10:21am
"I have to admit that I have read some material that does not put Margaret Meade in a good light. The fact that you need to point it out to me is a sign that there might be more truth to this story than I originally thought."
Read Intellectuals by Johnson. Has re stuff on Marx, Tolstoy  and Shelly .
"But I still like the Meade quote. A small group of united people can indeed move the world. I just don't see the 10% of radical Muslims doing this; they are far from united."
The Romans and Mongols did. 
Dave Volek Added Dec 4, 2018 - 3:42pm
The Romans and Mongols were united. That is why they dominated in their day.
Just think, Israel sits right in the middle of its greatest enemies. They are outnumbered 100 to 1. But they keep winning the wars! While we might admire the strength of the Israeli army, the other side has very little unity. But lots of the Israeli side.
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 4, 2018 - 6:12pm
Dajjal your going to get a lot of blow back on this, "But the Bible has verses prophesying the coming of false prophets and liars.  Moe fits that pattern."  This is an opinion that can not easily addressed.  I can say that one has to look and the motives: gains, and risks that existed at the time.  The reason I believe that you will get a lot of push back is because these were citizens that made no financial gains.  Often the government at the time were the defined as doing wrong so the risks were often big.  Thus the vast majority of the prophecies would by these measurements would have no reason to be false in their mind and heart.  
The problem with any 'prophet' that is a government official is that almost always there would be a perceivable gain and very little risk.  Risk would have to come from outside the government and from an opponent.   The is just a practical reason to question the vast majority of the Islam writing that are God influenced.  The writers were part of the establishment and would have little risk and likely gains.    
If a person risks life, limb, and those of his family, friends and village for what he is willing to put in the record that the belief level will be very high that is to his mind from GOD.   With no risk then one is open to a question.
Dajjal Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:12am
@Thomas Sutra
Moe did not receive divine revelation, he faked it. But his rants threatened the local economy and those who felt the threat wanted to be rid of him. They tried to shut him up. He had protection from his grandfather and uncle, but when they died, he was exposed.  He fled to Yathrib, leaving ft a buddy in his bed as a decoy. The decoy was lucky to escape with his life when the mob came for Moe.
Moe was shutting down pagan hajj. Many Mekkans depended on the hajj trade for their income. 9.29 with its provision for jizya was supposed to make up for lost rent & board revenue.
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 5, 2018 - 7:33am
Dajjal, I knew that story with a little less detail.
Dajjal Added Dec 5, 2018 - 7:01pm
@Thomas Sutrina
The whole epic is a horror story, beginning with the incident in the cave. It could be the foundation of a good graphic novel.