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I’m pro choice but I’m against abortion and that might sound weird and I am - thank you - no, but really. Abortion is a terrible thing and it always is when you take a life. However if a girl properly aborts a child, she can have another one. That might seem unfair, but that is only if you live in Disney Land, a fairy tale land that does not exist. We live in an imperfect world and things are not always perfect. When I was a teenager, young girls were so afraid of anyone finding out that they were pregnant that they would attempt to abort their child with a coat hanger or something else. Usually hurting themselves badly so that they could not have children or sometimes they would bleed to death and this is really the reason abortion was made legal. Because, we don’t live in a perfect world, so sometimes a safe abortion is better than a young girl dying.

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Autumn Cote Added Nov 27, 2018 - 12:13pm
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Ryan Messano Added Nov 27, 2018 - 12:34pm
We did just fine without abortion before Roe.
Spartacus Added Nov 27, 2018 - 12:45pm
Good post MPP.
Ideology, enforced on the masses, is like threading everyone's needle with one blind seamstress.
 
For far too many people, they cannot live in a society where their neighbor may have differing ideologies than themselves.  This may be a natural motivation for humans but only work in closed, small societies.  For massive, mixed societies, like we have today, politically enforced ideologies do not serve society well.
 
That said, abortion is one issue that must have wide ideological bracketing to allow for situations which arise through uncommon circumstances. 
Like you, I see the arguments on both sides.  Both sides have valid arguments -- although they both define the extreme opposite positions.  The reality is that the abortion issue cannot be defined by either extreme and must lie somewhere in-between.
 
There is no alternate good choice when a mother resents her pregnancy.  In those cases, unwanted pregnancies, most often, manifest directly into societies unwanted adults. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 27, 2018 - 12:47pm
MPP - I feel similar to you. Abortion should never be a form of contraception but I think few people would ever enter into it lightly. It is the woman who should have the choice.
Bill H. Added Nov 27, 2018 - 1:03pm
 
MPP- I totally agree.
People need to focus on safe sex and contraception. Abortion should be a last resort.
Neil Lock Added Nov 27, 2018 - 1:03pm
To me, the abortion question boils down to one thing: At what point does a fetus become a human being, and so acquire the right to life? If you answer "on conception," that is one view. If you answer "at birth" - my own point of view - that is another. If you take the Roe v. Wade position, on ability to survive outside the womb, that's a typical political compromise that satisfies neither side.
 
So in this matter, I agree with Opher and "the left." Those who disagree can, of course, take comfort in the idea that pro-choice people will eventually abort so many of their children that they will be outbred by the "pro-lifers," and their species will be extinguished.
 
(-: Wry smile.
Ryan Messano Added Nov 27, 2018 - 1:09pm
No sex outside of marriage, and only wise and unselfish people getting married.
 
Problem solved.
Neil Lock Added Nov 27, 2018 - 1:51pm
Ryan: No sex outside of marriage, and only wise and unselfish people getting married.
 
Who decides who is "wise" and "unselfish," Ryan? You? And who would enforce your prescriptions? Would you have the Sex Police poking into everyone's bedrooms, and arresting those they deem to be "selfish" or "unwise?"
Ryan Messano Added Nov 27, 2018 - 4:02pm
You had potential Mogg, but, unfortunately, are susceptible to liberal and RINO groupthink.
 
A little pressure and you wilt.
 
Please read a book on the Angel of Death, Margaret Sanger.
 
Meekness does not mean staying silent in the face of evil, and murdering babies is evil.
 
Neil, anyone with a conscience, and a knowledge of the Bible can decide who is wise.   Due to apathy and your ahistoricity, you lack insight.
 
Seventy years ago abortion and contraception were illegal, and our crime rate was a fraction what it is today.  Sex was for marriage and children alone.  Pervert this idea, and you destroy nations.  That is how Balak destroyed the Jews without an army.
Morgoth Added Nov 27, 2018 - 5:45pm
I feel the same way.  Abortion is terrible but as I am not a woman I think the choice is best left to the person who deals with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy, the woman.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Nov 27, 2018 - 7:06pm
Women generally have as many children in marriage as their husbands desire.  Selfish husbands want few, and generally haven’t got a backbone opposing abortion, to avoid being hypocrites.
Morgoth Added Nov 27, 2018 - 7:12pm
At one point in my life I didn’t want any children.  We have two and I can’t imagine life without them.
opher goodwin Added Nov 27, 2018 - 7:23pm
Mogg - I am well aware of the definition of contraception but some people do use abortion as if it was a contraceptive. That is what I am against. People should be responsible. Abortion should never be taken lightly IMV.
Morgoth Added Nov 27, 2018 - 8:24pm
Agreed.  This is why things like Planned Parenthood is so important.
James Travil Added Nov 27, 2018 - 9:03pm
Ah but the Christian fanatics don't believe that even married couples should be able to PLAN their families. It's just unlimited pregnancy, and to hell with the kids the parents can't afford to properly take care of. Just goes to show the evil, irresponsibly, and callousness of certain Christians (fanatics). 
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 28, 2018 - 12:14am
I'm against abortion but I think, in 21st century America, that the way to get abortion stat's as low as possible is to leave Roe v. Wade in place. 
 
There is a militant pro-abortion wing of society whose arguments are like honey to the ears of millions of young women. It turns the fairer sex into ugly creatures who I'd rather endure pain than have to listen to speak. (Me, me me.)
 
(I think 3rd and 4th wave feminism poisons the mind of young women as well. Think about how utterly foolish shows like Handmaid's Tale is, yet many young women are scared into thinking this is what many conservatives want. Was this what life was like in the religious U.S.A. of the 1960's? Wasn't that the "Golden Age of Cinema" for instance? So if conservatives naturally want to return to a more simple time, like the 1960's, is that anything like the Handmaid's Tale? Of course not. )
 
Abortion in nearly every Latin American country is illegal and yet they have higher abortion statistics than the U.S.A. 
 
The way to get abortion stat's as low as possible is to convince women not to get them. You'll more easily do this, in 21st century America, by leaving the procedure legal. Tax dollars should not go toward funding them. And late term abortions (anything after 20 weeks) are fair game to be outlawed in my opinion. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 1:06am
Spartacus - good comment - thanks - yes, both sides have a valid argument.  It is wrong when a law is made to put one point of view over the other.  For the side who believes abortion is wrong no matter what, provide assistance to the mothers to raise their children rather than laws and punishment.  Morality is not the governments job, that's the job of the church and if they can't convince society of its sins without laws and punishment than maybe they have it wrong. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 1:07am
Autumn Cote - sorry Autumn - I will try to post on other peoples articles more often before I post again. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 1:13am
opher goodwin - agreed.  The woman should have the choice.  She has to carry that child for 9 months and it changes her whole body for the rest of her life and it is not always her choice to become pregnant as the man is stronger and will force himself on her or trick her into believing that he loves her and will always be around and then skip town.  Abortion is wrong but so is rape and trickery.  If it is okay to murder someone for murdering someone, then how can be illegal to abort an unwanted child that was not conceived out of love? 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 1:19am
Bill H. - Should be the last resort - to ensure that - I think there should be a cost - no free abortions and while there should be no law against it, tax payers should not have to pay for it.  The father should be tracked down and forced to pay for half of it. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 1:34am
Jeffrey Kelly - Agreed, if it should be illegal - let women make it illegal and if they want it to be legal, let it be legal - their choice.  
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 1:38am
Cullen Kehoe "I'm against abortion but I think, in 21st century America, that the way to get abortion stat's as low as possible is to leave Roe v. Wade in place. ... The way to get abortion stat's as low as possible is to convince women not to get them. You'll more easily do this, in 21st century America, by leaving the procedure legal. Tax dollars should not go toward funding them. And late term abortions (anything after 20 weeks) are fair game to be outlawed in my opinion. "  I Agree
James Travil Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:04am
Only problem is that Christian fundy fanatics DO want to transform the United States into The Handmaid's Tale Cullen. You should know, you're probably one of them. 
Stone-Eater Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:25am
Shep
 
Fully agree.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:32am
Thanks - Stone-Eater
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:39am
James Travil - how ironic, you who follow Satan and believe there is no God. You put one of your statues outside our capital to keep the christians from doing it - such hypocrites you are. 
James Travil Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:47am
MPP I think you are confusing The Satanic Temple members with us Church of Satan people. Big difference. Maybe do your research next time before inserting foot into mouth. 
James Travil Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:49am
"People who raise Christianity as somehow central to the issue of abortion to the greater extent seem to think all Christians are alike and therefore all Christians have the same opinion of abortion. This is just more evidence of the gross bigotry of these people."
Much like the people who seem to think that all Satanists are alike, or all non-fundies of any religion are alike... 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 2:52am
Mogg Tsur - Abortion has been practiced long ago, using special herbs and stuff to cause an abortion.  An art that has been lost to capitalism.  Jesus or none of the apostles spoke against it though it did happen in their time.  It was apart of normal life.  A child would not be born if it could not or would not be taken care of, that would have been considered morally wrong and according to Jewish tradition, a soul did not enter a child until after birth.  I remember before I was born, I don't remember being born.  While abortion I think is wrong, there are much more worse things in this world that need our attention.  If this world was made better than maybe women would not be afraid to have children born in it. 
Flying Junior Added Nov 28, 2018 - 3:15am
So we all agree.  Abortion is a last resort.  Adoption is a beautiful thing.  That said, it goes without saying that contraception and sex education are very good things.  Even the morning after pill does not qualify as a medical abortion in my eyes.  So the key is planning pregnancies and producing less unwanted pregnancies.  Not everyone is satisfied being a safe sex pervert like Bill Clinton.
 
Hence the name, Planned Parenthood.  Don't get your hackles up conservative cohorts.
 
What I don't get is the clarion call from the right to introduce stringent and draconian legislation that does everything from make if more difficult if not impossible for a young woman to receive services or even legislate outright bans on many abortions.
 
Isn't this an abuse of legislative power?
 
What's worse than the feeble yet sometimes effective efforts of the old man republican politicians from Texas to Florida is, of course, the true believer crazies who have seen so many full-color posters of aborted fetuses that they are willing to bomb or murder doctors and clinics.  I'll never forget the first time I saw these crazy fucks holding a protest.  They murder in the name of preserving life.
 
Let the women decide what needs to be done.





Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 3:20am
Mogg Tsur - I call myself a Male Rights Activist - but I must confess that I'm not a very good one.  I love the woman and find myself often defending them.  This is no exception - I think men need to step up and take more responsibility.  To many children are bing raised without fathers and too many fathers are living it up while their children are poor.  To often we blame women for getting pregnant and don't stop to think - just who got her pregnant?  Some irresponsible horny bastard.  We lay all this at the feet of women and take very little responsibility ourself 
Flying Junior Added Nov 28, 2018 - 3:22am
Male rights activist?  That's like defending white people from racism.

Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 3:29am
Flying Junior Like your previous comment, however your last comment - defend white people from racism - What?  Prejudice is prejudice, it comes in all colors, white included, unless of course, you are a racist. Either explain, defend or say no more - I think you stuck your foot in that one.  
Flying Junior Added Nov 28, 2018 - 3:46am
Male rights just sounds like so much belly-aching that might be found on a divorce forum.  The classic parody was found on the original-cast of Saturday Night Live, a little segment about a TV show named Women's Problems hosted by Garrett Morris.  A bunch of guys including Dan Akroyd sat around complaining about the women in their lives to choruses of, Damn straight! and the like.  But if that is your identity, I guess I should perhaps take a second look.  Maybe I'm full of shit.  From all that I know, men have been holding most of the cards since about the beginning of time.  It is only in the last century that women have begun to have a level playing field.
 
I'm sorry, it just sounds like a joke to me.  I guess I better go.
 
Peace,
 
FJ



opher goodwin Added Nov 28, 2018 - 4:42am
Abortion is the lesser of two evils. Until someone has been in the shoes of a desperate pregnant woman I do not believe they are in a position to judge. 
Every baby should be a wanted baby. Every baby should be a planned baby. Every baby should be a loved baby.
Overpopulation is the biggest threat to nature and man's future.
Contraception is the intelligent way to limit our numbers so that we are not destroying nature and wrecking the world. 
In reality things go wrong. Abortion is that safety net for desperate women when things go wrong.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 28, 2018 - 7:40am
Flying Junior - I suppose another article should be made on the subject, but you will rarely find a homeless female veteran, but you'll find a lot of male homeless veterans and all that belly aching is causing male suicides all over the world - so maybe we should do something about it rather than criticize it. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:01am
MPP/FJ - it is all about power in my opinion. Can a person who has the power be a victim of racism or sexism? 
I guess they could find themselves in situations where their power is absent and they are abused but in general the world is organised for white males. 
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:18am
MPP..safety is the issue and safety is NOT a decision to be made by random men about womens health rights, unless the woman involved includes that man.  This isnt just popping out some baby and raising it or giving it away...its a tad more complicated than that.
 
This is a complicated issue you and I have debated many times and I too have my reservations, for personal reasons, about late term abortion. However, I do feel that sex is going to occur, and birth control should be given. Also in some cases, early abortion should be legal when done under advice of a doctor.
 
Dino Manalis Added Nov 28, 2018 - 8:51am
 Aborting life is immoral, but it's a personal decision and nobody else's business!
opher goodwin Added Nov 28, 2018 - 10:01am
Dino - I'm not sure that morality comes into it - it seems more ethics to me.
Jim Stoner Added Nov 28, 2018 - 12:20pm
I have (mostly) learned to stay out of this one, but  two comments: 1) availability of the "morning-after pill" should help in coming years to reduce legal medical abortions; 2) I resist others imposing their morality through government and law, except where necessary for public safety. 
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2018 - 6:05pm
Jim by public safety do you mean victims of abuse and/or rape?  How about medical abortions for the safety of the mother in medical circumstances?
Qasim Raza Added Nov 29, 2018 - 12:39am
A proper marriage format or law is the only solution to solve this issue...
Flying Junior Added Nov 29, 2018 - 12:50am
Of course I care about veteran's suicides.  It's doubly a shame because it was all so unnecessary.  It didn't do Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Yemen much good either.  A wide swathe of death, destruction and madness.
 
I felt a little bit bad for the Thousand Oaks shooter.  I know those Southern California Honky-Tonk line dancing places.  They are some of the happiest places for people to be on Earth.  But he couldn't feel that happiness.

Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:02am
Flying Junior - "I felt a little bit bad for the Thousand Oaks shooter.  I know those Southern California Honky-Tonk line dancing places.  They are some of the happiest places for people to be on Earth.  But he couldn't feel that happiness."  Ya - it is sad, nothing more I can add to that. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:17am
Qasim - "A proper marriage format or law is the only solution to solve this issue..."   All laws do is create criminals.  You had one problem "abortion"  Make it illegal and you'll have two problems, abortion and criminals - you solved nothing.  You just get to be self righteous and judge people.  Makes you feel better but things just got worse not better.  You'll spend more time policing laws then you would if you paid for abortions.  Then you get back girls dying trying to give them self an abortion - just bad, but we feel good and righteous - something is wrong with us - no wonder Jesus had to die, who by the way, if you read the gospels, he gave those self righteous people hell. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:19am
I agree with you Jim
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:20am
Dino - I agree with you
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:45am
wsucram15 - yes - this is a complicated matter that should not involve blanket laws.  Each circumstance has its own best choice.  Choices that should not be decided by any party not involved.  
 
As a society, if we want fewer abortions, we need to make a better society - anti abortion people (take note). 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:49am
opher goodwin - true, currently the white male is the ruling class (appearance only).  Some will argue that women are really in charge and that I'm sure could be debated for miles and miles.  But this was not always true.  In ancient times the black race actually ruled.  
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:55am
opher - "Every baby should be a wanted baby. Every baby should be a planned baby. Every baby should be a loved baby."  YES
Qasim Raza Added Nov 29, 2018 - 4:28am
Minister...
 
The world has become an uncontrolled jungle. It is very difficult to educate people about peace, nuclear nonproliferation, elimination of weapons,rape and education about sexual arousal... 
opher goodwin Added Nov 29, 2018 - 11:46am
MPP - women certainly have learnt how to influence but a glance at the power structure shows they are far from achieving parity and still excluded from much.
In order to abuse I think you need power. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Nov 29, 2018 - 1:39pm
Good post MPP. Pretty well echoes my thoughts on this. Prohibitions never work to curtail the targeted behaviors/substance and in the end do more harm.
TexasLynn Added Nov 29, 2018 - 3:26pm
A lot of you guys say that abortion shouldn't be used for contraception and seem comfortable with that stance as long as nothing is ever done towards those ends. (other than "education")
 
What other reasons are there for having an abortion? Rape, incest, life of the mother... what else?
 
What percentage of abortions are for the purpose of contraception today? I would guess well over 90%.
 
"It shouldn't be used for contraception" sounds like semantics to ease the consciences of those who really just support it on demand.
ChetDude Added Nov 29, 2018 - 3:59pm
To the majority of USAmericans not entirely deluded by sky-god myths, Abortion is a medical procedure just like an appendectomy or removing a cyst.
 
And a large plurality of USAmericans are fine with Abortion for birth control.  So why can't you be tolerant of OUR beliefs?
 
The problem is not Abortion, it's the politicization of Abortion for partisan political reasons...it's what happens when church pollutes the mechanisms of the State.
 
PS: Abortion was completely legal and widely practiced and obviously fine with the "Founding Fathers" - gee, I wonder why "conservatives" have such a big problem with it? 
 
The laws against it were political theater following the Civil War -- DuckDuckGo "Comstockery" for the complete sordid story.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 29, 2018 - 5:58pm
Well, the rightists have told "us" how it should be, and stupid ass Lyin Ryan Messano actually sez how things were "just fine before Roe." Really?  I suppose Ryan may be young enough never to have experienced seeing an "empty seat" that was once occupied by a young woman that died as a result of a botched illegal abortion.  And no, there weren't all these "saved babies" taking the dead woman's place.  The demands abortion be outlawed and politicizing of sex seems to be the right's answer, like making everything a political issue. Rightists care less about babies (the excuse), but also want contraception outlawed to make sure "those People" can't even have sex (the reason).  More hurt, hurt, hurt, that "Other" tribe!!
ChetDude Added Nov 29, 2018 - 10:46pm
Jeff: Right, Ryan didn't go back far enough into history.  100 years before Rowe, Abortion was very Legal and a non-issue - as was birth control...
 
Mogg: Yep, the Duopoly's Kabuki and the corporate media are mainly designed to divide and conquer for their masters in the Oligarchy...
 
 
 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:28am
Mogg Tsur - Exactly - I thought it was sickening - People voted for Bush because he was against abortion while others voted for Obama because he was pro-choice.  Really, they both bombed the fuckn world and nobody gives a shit about that.  We go as far as the abortion issue and stop right there as if it is the litmus test.  Main stream media plays this on and people just go right along with it.  The first question - what is your stance on the abortion issue and everybody decides right then and their.  The abortion issue has become the dumbing down of America for sure.  
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:39am
opher goodwin - if what you say is true - why are more men committing suicide, getting killed at work, homeless and have shorter life spans compared to women.  I don't think we have it better.  If I was born a woman, I could find a man to support me, but if I'm a man, I'm going to have to support myself, stand on my own two feet, no one will do it for me.  If the ship is sinking - save the women and children, let the men drown.  If there is a war, send the men to die, etc. Its okay to bomb a city if no women and children are killed, but if women and children are killed, its a war crime.  Women are protected and taken care of, men are not.  You have been taught to believe that it is supposed to be that way and fail to see the disparity.  I personally don't have a problem with that myself.  I object when woman claim that they are not treated special and expect an even bigger piece of the pie. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:57am
Jeff - " I suppose Ryan may be young enough never to have experienced seeing an "empty seat" that was once occupied by a young woman that died as a result of a botched illegal abortion.  And no, there weren't all these "saved babies" taking the dead woman's place.  "  Ryan knows everything, just ask him, he'll tell you - I stopped talking to him a long time ago, just a waste of breath. 
Ken Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:29am
This is a very simple argument that the left would like to use as a movement against women.
 
Women (and men) have a choice.  They choose to engage in an act that may or may not create a life.  They can choose not to engage in that act.  Once they have made that choice, they have taken their right of choice to now requiring them to consider the ramifications of their actions if they have procreated a life.
 
The choice was made.  They chose to engage in an act that the outcome could be a new life.
 
They don't have the right to murder that life simply because that is inconvenient to their lifestyle.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:35am
Ken - All that sounds good but in reality the world just isn't THAT GOOD.  If the world was that good, we wouldn't be having this conversation and abortion clinics would be out of business. 
Ward Tipton Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:24am
It's all about "My body my choice!" ... ummm ... unless it is homeopathic medicine ... that chit be illegal ... but hey, killing an unwanted kid? No problem. My body my choice. 
 
I can see allowing abortion to a degree, as it was before Roe V. Wade when the mother could legally get an abortion for medical reasons. These days, the last statistics I looked at indicated less than one percent of all abortions were the result of medical concerns. If someone is getting an abortion just so they don't have to stop at seven eleven to get a pack of condoms, I have no sympathy. 
ChetDude Added Nov 30, 2018 - 10:47pm
Ken: Nothing REAL gives you the right to call an undifferentiated set of stem cells a "person" (and most abortions get rid of exactly that).  Therefore, it's not "murder"...
Ward Tipton Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:27am
But if we discover a fossilized single cell in an asteroid or meteor! That is proof positive of life existing elsewhere! 
 
Clumps of living cells ... meh ... not so much. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:46am
Ward Tipton - Making judgments - never been in those shoes and never will be.  When a woman kills herself trying to abort her baby I doubt it was because she forgot to pick up condoms. I think men should be made more responsible and if they were, they may not be so quick to judge.  
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:51am
Ward - I hope you are Vegan - killing those living cells to feed your own belly - disgusting, just disgusting.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 1, 2018 - 7:55am
Neither have I, as I made sure early on that ... if I greyhound bus could pull out on time, so could I. Statistically however, less than one percent of all current abortions are due to medical concerns of the mother. The rest are matters of convenience. 
 
A mother can choose to have an abortion and the father has no say in the matter. The State rewards the mother for exonerating the father of any and all matters of paternity, though still holds him to be financially accountable. A mother is virtually always given preference in matters of custody. Perhaps if the state rewarded the nuclear family with as much vigor as they seek to destroy it now, it would be a different story. Perhaps if the fathers were given more rights, there would be more responsibility inherent in the relationships. 
 
Personally, I am very proud of the fact that I serve vegetarians quite well. Cows are after all, vegetarians ... and I serve them up in a great variety of tasty menus. 
Jeff Michka Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:07pm
Ol Ward is into "jerk it out" as a means of "contraception" which, I  suspect ol Ward objects to as well.  All is couched in "nuclear families."  If we don't love Russia enough, all we'll have is "nuclear families", right?
Ward Tipton Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:54am
Are you still jumping up and down on mommy's bed waving that same old broken toothpick ... still deluded into believing it is actually a rapier wit Jeff Michka? 
 
 

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