So why can’t liberals stand Trump?

 

 

I had a son with cerebral palsy. Mentally, he was fine. Physically, no, he was in a wheelchair, he couldn’t feed himself, get himself a drink, sit up unsupported, and perhaps most important for this post, his speech was slow and often difficult to understand because of the motor difficulties involved in spasticity. He died when he was seventeen in early 2012. 

 

One of the very few positive things about my kid having CP - believe me, there weren’t many - is how nice people were to him. I don’t remember people making fun of his disability more than a couple of times in his lifetime, and the person I remember doing it was a little kid who grew to treat him much better later. As someone who grew up near NYC, I was used to kids making fun of each other. I was kind of shocked in a good way that it didn’t happen to him.

 

I’m glad I never had to explain to him that a candidate for President mocked a reporter for talking kind of like him. I’m really glad I never had to explain to him that the American public had decided to elect this man President. 

 

What bothers me, and others like me, most about Trump is not that he mocked a guy with a disability. What bothers us is that this is typical of his approach. 

 

There are people here who think all sorts of things about liberals. We adore big government and value it for its own sake. We enjoy intruding on lives (the fact that intruding on homosexual lives is really a conservative thing notwithstanding). We love PC. We hate Christians. We think all White straight males belong in Hell in spite of the fact that every last one of us is an atheist. We hate America and think fully armed Iranian soldiers should be able to cross any border at will.  I don’t know, we’re zombies for Soros.  Take your pick. 

 

Actually, liberalism really boils down to two things which are related. We believe in level playing fields and we believe in protecting the vulnerable. 

 

That is basically what everything in our ideology comes from. It may look kind of strange by the time you see it, in some cases I’ll say that’s what things mutate from, but those are our core values. The more people go against those values, the more pissed we get. 

 

We now have a President who believes the vulnerable are losers who aren’t worthy of protection. 

 

We haven’t had a President who believed that so universally in my lifetime if ever. If I were to look at the previous Republican President we had, George W. Bush, whose policies did some terrible things to the country, there were a few things I respected about him even at the time. One was that his cabinet was extremely diverse without a hint of tokenism, really more so than any other President I can think of. Bush is not a hater at all. Another is that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, one of the first things he did was state that he would not tolerate taking this out on American Muslims. 

 

But this isn’t Trump. Trump doesn’t like the vulnerable. He is dead consistent on this. It doesn’t matter what the population is. Proposing a Muslim ban. What does that say top the country about American Muslims? Treatment of women in his personal life, up to and including replacing his wives when they age. Immigrants? Please. Even if they’re illegal, separating little children from their parents and taking them away? Are you serious? Jews? Hate crimes against Jews have skyrocketed since he became President, and a lot of the perpetrators reference him while they do them. Is there an armed guard where you worship? On occasions like holidays when the congregation is crowded, there’s a police officer at mine. 

 

Blacks? He’s suggested at his rallies that attendees beat up Black protestors. He’s working to make sure that police are more immune from consequences if they get brutal with Black suspects. A Black friend of mine tells me that he feels this election has reduced his physical safety. Have you ever been pulled over by a cop for no apparent reason? I don’t know any Black males who drive who haven’t. He has expressed extreme animosity toward the movement trying to fix this.

 

For God’s sake, the man even showed disrespect to American POW’s, basically on the grounds that they were vulnerable. 

 

Who’s the most vulnerable population in the country right now? Transsexuals. He’s currently in the act of going after them. 

 

One of the reasons I love America is because of what the country has done for the vulnerable: taking them in, sheltering them, accepting them, giving them freedom, integrating them, turning them into fiercely loyal Americans who become assets to our country. This presumably includes the ancestors of a lot of people on this site. It includes mine. 

 

I’m not saying we should take in unlimited numbers of immigrants, but we should be more welcoming than this. 

 

Emma Lazarus wrote a famous poem inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty, ending in 

 

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

 

What it doesn’t say is “Keep your fucking losers out of my country!” That’s where we are now.

 

What do you call someone who constantly picks on the vulnerable?

 

A bully.

 

We’re America. We have a history of standing up for people. 

 

And here’s the thing:

 

We don’t understand why you’re OK with this. When you vote to make Americans more vulnerable, particularly when they already are, expect them to take it personally. That’s what the shirt means in Riley Brown’s post. 

 

Comments

Tubularsock Added Nov 29, 2018 - 8:48pm
Koshersalaami, Tubularsock agrees with your thoughts on Trump and those that support him.
 
They really are a frightened lot and are easily directed out of fear of the world they don’t understand.
 
Trump himself is just the low hanging fruit on his family tree with a father with little love for his son and a mother who was afraid that Donnie was an embarrassment.
 
With very little love from his family, well ........... you get a very scared little boy-man.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 29, 2018 - 9:07pm
Well said, KS.  Trumpists also hate vunerable because they get "stuff and considerations," can't have that now, can we?  So hate those least able is the ultimate low hanging fruit, and another very tribal reaction, which is looking down on those not as able as those in the good white people tribe, so it's real easy to laugh and dismiss those with disabilities.  It's like hearing people complain about "handicapped parking."  "Why should 'those people' get the 'good' parking places?"  huh?  That not even a human reaction, but it is a true Trumpist reaction.  A couple of folks I know that are wheelchair bound have mentioned the increase in "Get out of my way, cripple" stuff in stores  and other public places.  Trump gave them permission.  It's okay to be stupid and rude to people with disabilities, Trump is.  Of course Trump dislikes disabled people.  He has to put in all this "accessible" stuff in his properties...costs eating into Donald's profits.
Morgoth Added Nov 29, 2018 - 9:15pm
I agree.
I never felt the way I do towards any President that I do towards Trump.  I looked at Bush as a bit of a clown but not a danger towards the very heart of our Republic.
 
But Trump?  Trump is a spoiled billionaire who is used to getting his way and gets enraged when things don’t break his way.  He passes around conspiracy theories as truth, blatantly lies (yeah, I know, politicians lie but seriously), paints his political opponents as enemies and does the same with the media.  He admires dictators, not in the pragmatic sense of doing business but as people to respect.
 
I thought after President Obama got elected we matured, we were growing as a country.  Turns out it was all just a bandaid, a very thin patch over the ugliness brewing behind the facade.  No, Obama was by no means perfect but at least he was someone worthy of the title “President.”  The person currently sitting in the White House is not.
 
It still boggles the mind how so many got fooled and continue to be fooled that a shallow, philandering, New York billionaire honestly cares about the “forgotten man.”  This is a man who never struggled from paycheck to paycheck and craps on a golden toilet yet he somehow represents those who struggle in this country.
 
TBH I’ve lost all sympathy for those who are suffering from the results of Trump’s presidency, the ones who voted for him. The rural farmer with the crops rotting in the field, the GM worker losing their job due to tariffs, why, if you voted for him, don’t be sad.  This is what you voted for. Own it.  Maybe next time don’t be fooled and vote a little wiser.
 
I don’t really expect the hardcore Trumplings to change.  Hey, I live in a red state.  We suffered through years of mismanagement from a Republican supermajority.  So, what did the voters in my state do?  Why, they marched right to the ballot box and voted in another Republican supermajority.  About a week after that another rural hospital closed due to the screwed up budget.  But, hey.  I say, don’t be sad.  This is what you wanted.
Bill H. Added Nov 29, 2018 - 10:37pm
Trump is all about Trump, and only about Trump.
Trump will continue to demean others simply to feed his own ego. It is a narcissistic requirement to constantly put others below ones self to keep the ego level constantly high. Being that he has virtually no compassion whatsoever, this only worsens the problem.
As Jeffrey stated, it's really sad when those who voted for him based on his word become the victims of his self-greed and lies.
At least it now looks like the real Trump is finally being exposed to the masses for what he is, a deceitful crook who played his country for his own profits and fame.
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 29, 2018 - 10:47pm
Kosher, hear, hear! I am just now reading Doris Goodwin's biography of the Fitzgeralds and the Kennedys and what I have gained in understanding is how strong is the desire to belong. Fred and his son Donald never belonged in Manhattan society, no matter how many buildings got built with the Trump name. Well, Fred was able to handle it, but the slight apparently has gnawed at Donald until he claimed the absolute highest prize he could conceive of - unless it was a Trump Tower Moscow.
 
Mogg - personal anecdotes make the best stories. You sir, are out of line for criticizing this heartfelt post. But that does become your personal style of vindictiveness and pettiness.
ChetDude Added Nov 29, 2018 - 10:54pm
Even most of the republican Establishment loath Trump because of his disgusting persona, constant stream of OBVIOUS lies, lack of "Class" and his "bull in a china shop" pseudo-policies are destroying large swathes of the bi-partisan neoliberal criminal conspiracy that's ruled the economy for the last 40+ years is hastening the end of the USAmerican Empire much faster than Hillary the establishment's status-quo, neoliberal war monger would have...
 
They didn't want him in the first place...
Koshersalaami Added Nov 29, 2018 - 10:56pm
Jeffrey,
I think I can tell you why they voted for him and they would vote for him again in a minute. In a sense they’re right.
 
I don’t like the way they think but I understand it. The extent to which various populations are treated unequally is colossal, and in the sixties in particular resistance to this became prominent. As this accelerated through the seventies, encompassing more and more groups, White straight males felt criticized over more and more things, including their very language. They also saw corrective measures which helped these populations and saw that there were instances where White straight males were put at a competitive disadvantage. 
 
The corrections were never enough to actually fix the problems, but that didn’t stop myths that they overcorrected. That engendered self-righteousness about what was called Reverse Discrimnination, which might have had some validity if those claiming it had ever protested about Actual Discrimination. 
 
But the criticisms of the majority population, primarily White straight males, got more strident than sensible and, as often happens, the critics whose language was excessive were not disowned by the majority population of critics, allowing the non-liberal part of the White straight male population to paint the entire critical population with the behaviors and attitudes of the fringes. This worked a lot like flag burning, which most liberals didn’t like but also didn’t disown, and that bounced later because it fed conservative electoral mobilization. So if you didn’t say “mailperson” you were a sexist. 
 
In addition, some of the discriminated populations fell afoul of religious fundamentalism, particulary when it comes to gender identification and sexual preference. So now these angry guys thought they had God on their side. 
 
They’re frustrated. They don’t like all this assistance going to populations that aren’t them. They don’t like populations they consider deviant to be given civil rights. They don’t like tolerance for illegal immigrants, regardless of whether this tolerance makes any sense. They don’t like that extremists from another religion are killing Americans in America, and they paint the whole religion with that brush. And they don’t like to be made to feel guilty over just being themselves and, as far as they’re concerned, not hurting anyone. 
 
And along comes a guy who says: You’re OK, I think you’re right, and I’m going to back you even once I get into office. No one has ever said that to them before. Not only that, but with the exception of draining the swamp, he does exactly that. He doesn’t reach office and say “I’m backing down about the wall.” He continues to represent the people who elected him, like no one else has, and they love him for it. They love him so much that they will forgive him almost anything because finally, finally, someone has taken the trouble to get them. One of their own is in office and office didn’t change the fact that in most respects (except for the one that’s really important, but that one wasn’t a major promise on his part, just a chant on the part of his followers) he continues to behave as one of their own in the face of overwhelming political pressure at home and abroad. He’s our guy. He keeps the faith. 
ChetDude Added Nov 29, 2018 - 10:59pm
Jeffrey: I think one of the worst things about Trump is how he has made that disgusting war criminal gwbush "look good" by comparison -- as long as one doesn't compare their basic policies and world view - which are nearly the same...
 
Out of his extreme form of insecurity and father envy, gwbush committed the United States to an increase in the mindless destruction of the Forever War that has already cost a million lives and nearly $6 Trillion Dollars so far with NO END IN SIGHT!
 
Goddamn, Trump's got a LONG way to go if he's to reach gwbush's level of global and domestic criminality...
 
(Don't get me wrong, I hope Trump doesn't succeed in trumping gwbush's unprecedented record of infamy.)
TreeParty Added Nov 29, 2018 - 11:10pm
Kosher, Outstanding post; thank you. And Mogg, I agree wholeheartedly with EABC that you are out of line for a most ungracious and mean-spirited comment. When Trump "makes fun of" the most vulnerable among us, you MAGAts think it's funny; but if you or someone you care about is in that position of vulnerability, it is very painful and alienating, as Kosher has spoken to. 
Probably you are like Trump in that you don't have anyone that you care about. Sad..
Within the differently abled community, there is a term TAB - means "temporarily able-bodied." It is not a term of derision; it is a recognition that ALL OF US HAVE BEEN, and, god willing, will be weak and frail. That's just part of the human condition, and people like Trump who scorn their fellow humans who are not "temporarily able-bodied" are SCUM.
Flying Junior Added Nov 30, 2018 - 3:16am
I appreciate your eloquent and articulate article KS.  Well said indeed.  I am not possessed of this level of restraint and lucidity.  I can handle civility.  But it just doesn't fit for me when we are talking about the monster himself.  All bets are off.
 
I tend to see red much more quickly.  I do understand that while there exist on a thousand levels very real and flagrant violations on the part of the nincompoop-in-chief, such that each and every one could be rationally laid out and explained.  And indeed they are so described and catalogued almost every week by far better communicators than me.  But I understand well, on a gut level, the raw and visceral hatred that we truly do feel for that vile excuse for a human being.  I'm not proud of the way I feel about him.  But neither am I ashamed.

Flying Junior Added Nov 30, 2018 - 3:22am
ChetDude,
 
It wasn't really Trump that made us give the Shrub a pass.  Dammit it was all the funny guys who made us laugh.  The SNL guy was good.  Will Ferrell was funny, but he was careful never to portray Bush in a sympathetic light.
 
It was the stoner flick Harold and Kumar Escape Guantanamo Bay that first made me vulnerable to sympathy for the worst president in modern history.  Once he made it clear that he felt the same way about Trump as did the rest of us, we sorta had to take him into the fold.
 
But of course you are so right.



opher goodwin Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:44am
Kosher - that is a very coherent explanation of what is wrong.
We believe in level playing fields and we believe in protecting the vulnerable. 
That sums it up for me. I don't see winners and losers. I see people.
Trump represents everything I stand against. He is loud, brash, encourages violence and division and is elitist.
Hopefully he will soon be gone and the USA will show its compassionate side by electing someone who cares and doesn't feed the fears and lies.
opher goodwin Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:48am
Kosher - BTW - I am terribly sorry to hear about your son. I have friends with a similar child and I know the heartbreak it has caused. As a teacher I came into close contact with the parents of students who had cerebral palsy. It is so difficult and painful and the children themselves were so great and worthy of respect. They had to struggle in the face of such great adversity. The parents would turn their lives upside down to try to make things as good as they could get them.
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:21am
@Koshersalaami - I'm sorry to hear about your son. 
 
I believe that many Transexuals are mentally ill individuals. What's the loving thing to do for someone who is mentally ill? To placate their bizarre desires and cravings? 
 
If someone was madly raving that he's the re-incarnated Napoleon, is the right thing to buy him a 19th century French military uniform and horse and tell him to go forth and conquer? Or maybe sit him down and perhaps over time try to reach him that he's not, in fact, Napoleon? 
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:24am
I guess I'll further add that how can you say that the president is some sort of moral leader when men like Bill Clinton held office who was constantly defended to the end by the Left? 
 
Trump isn't a good human being. He's not a moral man. But I stopped seeing the president as a moral leader 20 years ago with Bill Clinton and the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
 
Today, the president is a means to an end. He's a soldier of sorts who you send in to do a job. A soldier doesn't have to be a good person, he just has to be a good soldier, good at vanquishing the enemy. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:38am
Last comment. The Emma Lazarus poem refers to an era of nearly open immigration to Europeans which ended in 1924. I see liberals over and over bring up the Statue of Liberty...that era ended a century ago. Are they unaware of this? Do they think it's still in effect? Or do they FEEL like it is, even though it's been over a 100 years? 
 
It's oversimplified but in general, from 1924 to 1965 the U.S.A. turned off nearly ALL immigration. (Happened in waves but by the Great Depression, practically ALL immigration had been made illegal--by F.D.R.)
 
Also...America has a history of standing up for people...for the vulnerable? Does it? During the 'Statue of Liberty' immigration period, immigrants who were sick were sent home. Too bad for them.
 
Two world wars waged for years while the U.S. stood at the sidelines and said "we're not getting involved".  Nearly the entire history of the country up to 1945, was spent looking after itself.
Cullen Kehoe Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:57am
Correction, the Immigration Act of 1924 which set low quotas for immigrants by race was 'in force' until 1952 (where it was a amended slightly) and replaced by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 which set up the modern system we have today (lottery system and family-based migration). 
 
Here are some of the elements of liberal icon FDR's policies toward immigrants and the vulnerable: 
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/07/is-it-time-for-progressives-to-stop-venerating-fdr/?utm_term=.55e169899a94
 
"FDR was not willing to spend any significant political capital to help Jewish refugees from Europe."
 
"Roosevelt administration engaged in the largest mass deportation of immigrants in American history, expelling hundreds of thousands — perhaps up to two million — of people of Mexican descent who were residing in the United States. An unknown but significant chunk of these deportees were American citizens, but that nicety didn’t stop the deportations."
 
"FDR refused to support federal anti-lynching legislation, and it wasn’t because he had sudden federalist qualms about asserting federal authority over local matters....FDR’s Republican predecessors all supported federal anti-lynching legislation.... FDR’s apologists...aren’t able to come up with any substantial evidence that FDR personally cared about civil rights for African Americans in general, or about lynching in particular."
 
Maybe some of this Trump phenomenon is 'perception is reality'. If he scowls at a baby, the press reports it. The press reports everything it can to make you think Trump is a bad and evil person. (And by all accounts, he's not Boy Scout. But neither is nearly any national politician.)
Stone-Eater Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:02am
Kosh
 
Very good article, really. It must have been hard to have a kid with such severe disability, frankly, I don't know if I had the strength to support that. I guess I'd fall into a deep depression and despair.
 
But.....this one
 
Actually, liberalism really boils down to two things which are related. We believe in level playing fields and we believe in protecting the vulnerable. 
 
says it all. You really made a good job correcting the image. I'm not a leftie myself (anymore) because I have seen too much in my life to believe in a dream, but my POV is still heavily leaning to that side.
 
No further comment about Trump. That's the job of Americans LOL
George N Romey Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:22am
Compared to other Presidents Trump isn't less or more moral. Do some reading about what other Presidents said and did when the cameras weren't around.  The difference is that Trump carries his on his sleeve, and proud of it.  He is American entertainment, including reality tv, to the core.  He represents this new value where being crude, rude, uneducated, and gross are celebrated.  Just look at today's form of music (everything about the "bitches" and "hoes.").
 
Yet this entertainment, for lack of better words, comes from Hollywood.  The same Hollywood that likes to call out Trump and had no problem exploiting Trump for rating purposes.
 
Finally, the Democratic Party left the working class behind a long time ago.  Their target?  Rich, Ivy League educated elites primarily living in coastal cities.  I hear all kinds of crap from them about how Russia is the boogeyman and Trump's best friend but not one word on the continuing economic divide in this country.  Since your party has no good answers to people frustrated their financial state gets worst and worst they go on tangent about Russia, transexual bathrooms, or the idea there's this massive rape culture on college campuses.  And that's why you will lose again to Trump in 2020.
Stone-Eater Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:24am
George
 
He represents this new value where being crude, rude, uneducated, and gross are celebrated.
 
Another shit we have imported from the US into Europe. Looks like we're the same dumbasses like the Americans. Grr..
Dino Manalis Added Nov 30, 2018 - 8:37am
 Democrats are sour grapes and cannot believe someone as politically imperfect as Trump became president!
wsucram15 Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:06am
Good article, I really enjoyed reading about your son and was disgusted by Trump as a teenager, let alone now watching him on tv as a candidate mocking anyone.
Such a disgusting human being.
Gerrilea Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:17am
Kosher S---  I have great respect for the burden you had to bear with your child and the tragic loss.  I do not have the vocabulary to express my deep sympathy and compassion.  My family has had their share of similar tragedy and I experienced what it does to us all.
 
Blessings.
 
That said, I find your article truly appalling and disingenuous.  You equate your tragedy to our political system and a duly elected POTUS.  One you falsely claim "doesn't care about vulnerable people".
 
Each and every American has become exactly that "vulnerable" because of the "trade policies", foreign intervention and imperialism of our elite political class.
 
Trump is trying to change that, allegedly.  I back his position on tariffs and fighting for truly fair trade deals that do not destroy our ability to feed ourselves and our families.
 
It's gotten so out of wack that 151 million Americans are receiving some kind of "public assistance".  That is unsustainable.
 
Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with all things "Trump".  He didn't create the mess.  I'm actually disgusted with his intervention in Syria, him allowing Monsanto to pollute the environment and kill the bees, the war on drugs once again along with "asset forfeiture" and the absurd tax breaks for the wealthy elite and the corporations they own and run.
 
The biggest problem here, we expect one person to fix what we allowed to be broken. It is IMPOSSIBLE.  We must do it ourselves.
 
George hit the nail on the head, Trump is entertainment.  He's been playing that game his whole life.
 
If we do not demand accountability from the criminal sycophants that have infested our government, it will never change.
 
 
opher goodwin Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:21am
Dino - I'm not American. I am not a Democrat. I do not have an iron in that fire. But I detest the man. He is crass, uncouth and unworthy - a disgusting, greedy selfish human being of the worst kind.
You can't accuse me of having sour grapes.
George N Romey Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:23am
Americans keep expecting the same political system that has bought us a corporate controlled militarized hegemony to correct this problem.  Clearly neither side wants to instead finding side issues to capture public attention.  
wsucram15 Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:24am
I keep saying the same thing..George is right.  No one listens
Steel Breeze Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:58am
media fueled alternate reality......average everyday workin folks in real life,the VAST majority of them,from either 'side',aint nearly so worked up. unless you watch the idiot box,then the whole world's ablaze.....
Tubularsock Added Nov 30, 2018 - 10:59am
Steel Breeze, “the whole world (is) ablaze”. And just because it is not burning on your doorstep doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be awake to it.
 
The information is “out there” and the only way it is altered is by huge numbers of citizens waking up and saying NO!
 
This requires finding out what is the cause and who drives the interest in the “blaze”.
 
And that information is seldom found on the idiot box! The idiot box is the “Cliff-Notes” to stupidity!
Ryan Messano Added Nov 30, 2018 - 11:13am
Very sorry to hear about your son, Salamander, but, I’m sorry, you were fooled by the media. Trump did not mock that disabled reporter. He used the exact same hand gestures before when mocking Cruz and frequently uses them when mocking anyone. The media suckered the average American into thinking Trump was making fun of the disabled. You leftists are naive and gullible and easy to fool though.
Also, you don’t believe in equal playing fields and protecting the vulnerable as a liberal. If you did you’d protect the most vulnerable from being slaughtered in abortion, and you’d stop the racist affirmative action measures which don’t lead to an equal playing field. If you believed in equal playing fields you would support only heterosexual marriage, which is the way it’s been for thousands of years, giving every man and woman the right to marry the opposite sex, instead of special preferences for homosexual depravity. If you believe in protecting the vulnerable, you wouldn’t agree with forcing innocent kids to learn homosexual filth in schools. You and your supporters are badly deceived.
Trump does not believe the vulnerable are losers who don’t deserve protection. He believes in equal opportunity for all, and seeks to protect innocent babies from you liberal murderers. Also, you liberals exploit minority communities and are committing a Holocaust on blacks in abortion clinics. Blacks make up 12% of the nation’s population and 36% of all abortions. Then, you hide how your stupid welfare program took the black father out of the home, leading to massive crime and poverty in the black community. From 1990 to 2008, blacks making up 12% of the population, made up 52% of all those committing homicide. That’s you liberals protecting the vulnerable. Then, your lying media hypes 10 controversial shootings of black males by police every year, and hides the data that shows police actually are more likely to shoot a white man than a black man, that 93% of black deaths are due to other blacks, that a black male is 7-10 times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white man is, that black on white crime is 25 times higher than white on black crime, despite whites making up nearly five times the population of blacks, and that a black man is 16 times more likely to shoot a police officer than to be shot by one.
Obama was easily the worst president in American history, but you and your fellow lazy liberal friends have never read ten biographies of other presidents, so you have nothing to compare him to. So, your media brainwashes you into thinking the latest Republican President is the worst of all time, and the prior Republican President was pretty decent compared to the current one. Lol, they did it to Reagan, and both Bushes, but it always works on you liberals. Your media hid the fact that Billy Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick in 1978, from liberal voters in the 1992 presidential election. They would have hid Monica Lewinsky too, if Matt Drudge didn’t rudely interrupt the media dissembling by blasting the news all over the world. They hid Obama’s homosexuality and crack use, as you silly liberals never learned about Mia Pope, Obama’s high school classmate in Hawaii, who said Barry the Fairy was a queer crack user. They hid Larry Sinclair’s credible account of smoking crack with Barry and having a homosexual relationship with him, and they hid Jerome Corsi’s (Mueller is going after him hard now in revenge), exposure of three homosexual choir member friends of Barry’s all turning up dead right before Barry ran for president. Two had execution style bullet holes in the back of their domes, and nothing was taken from their homes, and the mother of Donald Young accused Obama of murdering her son to hide his relationship with him, but your media ignored that.
You screech about diversity, because 90% of blacks and 65% of Latinos have big government policies and vote Democrat, so you terrorize conservatives by calling them racists for not supporting communist doctrines.
You liberals are badly deluded on Islam, and can’t understand that the Constitution is for all religions, EXCEPT those which wish to subvert the Constitution. 51% of Muslims favor Sharia law in America. Further, Islam is responsible for over 34,000 documented terror attacks since 9/11, has murdered 270 million, conservatively, in its 1,400 year existence, was founded by a bloody prophet, who included 109 commands to kill the infidel in the Quran, and who, at 54, while already married to eight wives, married little Aisha, age 9, his favorite wife, and consummated the marriage with her. Yet, you silly liberals hold this death cult in high esteem.
Trump is a big supporter of Israel and has a son in law and daughter who are Jewish, but liberal logic sez he is definitely an anti Semite. You liberals protect Keith Ellison and Louis Farrakhan, both full blown anti semites.
Trump never said bea
Ryan Messano Added Nov 30, 2018 - 11:15am
 t up black protesters,
more fake news from you lying, race baiting white liberals, who pretend to care about blacks even as your cities have the highest rates of crime and poverty for blacks of anyplace in America.
You and your fellow liberals are rude, hateful, deluded mindless drones, who ignore those who tell the truth, and admire the liberal media who lie to you daily. Pathetic.
Rusty Smith Added Nov 30, 2018 - 11:25am
In a general sense I believe in level playing fields want to see the  vulnerable protected, but I don't want to reward people for not wanting to work, or take hard earned money away from the people who earned it. 
 
I don't believe we can end generational poverty with more generous social assistance programs, I think that just encourages the problem and traps them in generational poverty.  There is no excuse for one generation after another to require social assistance just to live, it's not a genetic problem, it's a cultural problem.
 
I don't believe we can save the world by giving them money, interfering with their politics, or letting all the poor ones move to the US. 
 
Handing out money never works unless it's earned or just temporary help to overcome a specific problem.  In most parts of the third world doing so usually does more to enrich those at the top than actually helps those who really need it.
 
Letting all the poor move here might have been a good idea before all our social assistance programs were created, but today the poor are a huge drain on our economy, and we are badly in debt.  It's irresponsible and ineffective for us to try and solve the problems of other countries by taking in their poor.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:27pm
Thanks for your responses.
 
Cullen,
I am aware of what American policy has been. Though it was before I was born, I had a great aunt make it to Ellis Island, get turned away for an ocular problem, get sent back to Poland, and get murdered in the Holocaust. 
 
When the St. Louis went around the Atlantic looking for a place to take the Jewish European refugees in, no one said yes. This wasn’t just an American issue by a long shot. 
 
As accepting immigrants and especially integrating immigrants goes, the US has for large parts of its history been ahead of the rest of the world with the possible exception of much less populous nations like Canada. And, whether or not we live up to it, it is part of our national ethos. 
 
Gerrilea,
Of course one President can’t fix everything. I don’t expect him to. I’d like to answer your comment about theater.
 
That theater is getting places vandalized, people hurt, and people killed. As Trump became the candidate and became President, hate crimes went way up. We don’t have to theorize as to whether he has anything to do with that because a lot of the perpetrators reference him while in the act. Antisemitism in particular has gone way up. Trump effectively gave the worst bigots the green light and he doesn’t even make token attempts to rein them in, as was shown awfully after Charlottesville when most of the rest of the country was way more inclined to condemn the Nazis than our President was. This, I’m afraid, is a question of personal responsibility in this case. He has changed the climate by himself. I wish he were incapable of it, but he has proven quite capable of it. I don’t think that all of this is bigotry on his part though in many cases I think it is (more toward Mexicans and Muslims than Jews, certainly), but he’s supporting bigots, and those of us who belong to targeted populations are more conscious of those consequences than the general population is. 
Leroy Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:29pm
KS, I am sorry for your lost and your struggles.  It is hard to imagine.
 
"Actually, liberalism really boils down to two things which are related. We believe in level playing fields."
 
Liberals don't have a lock on caring about the most vunerable or a level playing field.  It is safe to say that we all care about people and our nation.  We just have different philosophies on how the I'll of society are solved.
 
IdI say the biggest difference is that liberals seek short-term solutions.  If a man is hungry, give him a fish.  A conservative approach would be to feed him and teach him how to fish.
Bill H. Added Nov 30, 2018 - 2:55pm
 
Leroy - I'm not sure your statement that " liberals seek short-term solutions" is correct. Looking at their traits, I actually find that "Liberals" tend to look long-term, at least in cases like business acumen and appearing to have more patience than "Conservatives". This is based on my observations of past management people that I have worked with during the years.
I always found that the "Conservative" management people were always in a hurry for a quick solution to an issue, with minimal regard for future negative impacts, either financial or operational, such as customer complaints or employee morale issues. On the other hand, I did find that a number of "Liberal" management people were sometimes a bit too concerned with future impacts on employee morale or budget issues. The best managers I worked with were almost unable to be "labeled" as to their politics, and never made it obvious at all. And of course, I never asked.
 
Michael Dolan Added Nov 30, 2018 - 2:57pm
The Trump haters-keep it coming. Trump has done good things for America I know the haters are so out of touch with the truth. You haters actually say that the worst president is Trump. Well once again you haters refuse to out the real worse president EVER,WHO IS IT==                                                                                                                     Barry Obama Jr. Obama had 13 terrorist attacks committed in our states. Obama is an American hater. 
Koshersalaami Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:02pm
Rusty,
I disagree with some of your economic diagnosis. I would say that at this point the wealthy are a drain on our economy as their taxes drop. We have to look to them at this point because that’s where the money is, not just individually but collectively. The poorest 40% of America’s population combined has less wealth than the Walton family. Now we have people trying to eliminate inheritance taxes. That isn’t tenable. And inheritance is not hard earned money for its recipients. 
 
I don’t think we should help other countries by taking in their poor. I do think we should take in immigrants who are essentially fleeing for their lives. 
 
In terms of giving money to people at the bottom of the ladder, what’s important economically is that they spend it. If American businesses have more customers, they can make more money and hire more people, who in turn spend and help businesses. When the wealthy get tax breaks, they don’t have to spend it and, if they don’t, it doesn’t stimulate the economy. Poor people have to spend it quickly; they have no choice. Also keep in mind that as employees are created (by demand), taxpayers are also created, which takes down deficits. 
 
Leroy,
I’m all for the approach of teaching people how to fish, so long as we actually invest in doing exactly that. For example, we know that Head Start works and that it’s comparatively reasonable, yet there’s a lot more resistance to it among conservatives than liberals. One major problem we run into is that schools are primarily funded locally, so poor neighborhoods have poor schools. If we switched to statewide funding we’d come closer to addressing the problem. 
 
 
TreeParty Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:03pm
Michael Dolan,
Your comment is B.S. on stilts. Write your own article about "Why Conservatives Can't Stand Obama" if that is your position. Kosher has written a very incisive article about why liberals can't stand Trump. While there are many reasons why liberals can't stand Trump, chief among them, and of particular personal concern to Kosher, is Trump's lack of concern for the vulnerable (best explained by his noxious narcissism...) He is a disgraceful human being, and a poor president. 
Leroy,
You have it exactly backward; it is the liberal approach to "feed him and teach him how to fish." A conservative would be loathe to give him a fish in the first place if he hadn't "earned it", and would duck responsibility for education as hard as Donald ducks taxes..
Gerrilea Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:03pm
Kosher S--- You seriously blame Trump for Charlottesville?   The "organizer" was an avid Obama Supporter, Jason Kessler.  It was all theater until someone died.
 
Attacks by the "Progressive" Left are in the hundreds.  Trump supporters getting pulled out of their cars and beaten.  BLM goes after white supporters and get mad when they get shot at.
 
We then find out that the Democratic Party created the "violent protests" at Trump rallies to demonize him.
 
The Rise of Antifa and the Violent Left
 
You have Maxine Waters telling her supporters to attack Trump and his aides AND they do it.
 
As for your claims about Trump being antisemitic, can't find a link to any valid sources.  In fact, the attack in Pittsburgh was by an avid "anti-Trumper".
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:32pm
Trump is definitely anti Semitic. Everyone knows he is far harder on Israel than Obama.  He’s so anti Semitic his own daughter is a Jew.  
Koshersalaami Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:36pm
Gerrilea,
I don’t blame Trump for Charlottesville. I blame him for tolerating it more than most Americans did in a very public way. There are a lot of guys out there who use his name while doing crap, like graffiti that says [swastika]rump, showing up in places where it’s obvious it isn’t done by Trump opponents. He never says “that’s not cool, don’t put my name on this.” As he doesn’t condemn it, people think it’s OK to do. 
 
I don’t think Trump is antisemitic. That’s not the problem. The problem is that part of his support comes from bigots and he supports them rather than alienating them. When they think they have White House permission, they get bolder. 
Gerrilea Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:53pm
Kosher S--- So then we have a debate on the "optics" or theater, yet again.
 
Trump was right, in his first statement about Charlottesville. They were peaceful protesters and were attacked by thugs that had no lawful right to be at that same spot, at that same moment.  The police let it happen as well.
 
We'll have to disagree a tad.  Trump is the POTUS, not of JUST of the left, right, gay, white supremacist etc.  He is duty bound, as such, to protect & defend the Constitution of these United States.
 
"While I despise what you say, I'll fight to the death for you to say it."
 
He has since denounced racism and racists but he had no lawful obligation to do so and I'd say he's in violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution.  He picked a side. Our government is to be neutral.
 
 
John Minehan Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:15pm
Rest assured, there are a lot of people on the more conservative side who also find President Trump objectionable for a lot of the same reasons.
 
My condolences on your son.  His life was enriched for having a father who cared and everyone's life is enriched by caring about another person even when you lose them.
 
Best to you and your family.
John Minehan Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:28pm
"Trump did not mock that disabled reporter. He used the exact same hand gestures before when mocking Cruz and frequently uses them when mocking anyone."
 
But considering that the reporter had a disability, that was very thoughtless.  In fact, making that gesture towards Ted Cruz (or anyone else) is not exactly a sign the man is "Mr. Warmth."
Bill H. Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:54pm
Trump has created an atmosphere that says it's virtually OK to be a Nazi or a bigot, while in many ways offering his silent endorsement to "come out of the closet" if you identify with either of these groups. Again, as part of his mission to divide and conquer.
A true patriotic president that really cared about the country would not only condemn either practice, but would actually work to unite our country. 
Ryan Messano Added Nov 30, 2018 - 6:20pm
Bill, get your head examined. Antifa are the Nazis.
opher goodwin Added Nov 30, 2018 - 6:27pm
Bill - yes it is incredible how they turn fact on its head. Black is white. Good is evil. Right is wrong (oh - that one is correct).
Some morons believe that the neo-Nazis white supremacists strutting, heil Hitlering, armed to the teeth, are somehow not fascists, while those that oppose those scum are.
There's no accounting for stupidity or plain evil.
John Minehan Added Nov 30, 2018 - 6:30pm
Well, actually, Antifa are more like the Spartacists and the Neo-Nazis (Billy Roper to the contrary) are more like Der Stahlhelm . . . .
Rusty Smith Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:24pm
 Koshersalaami, your supposition implies the country is better off and most of the people better off if more money is spent by the government than by the rich.  I disagree.
 
When rich people accumulate money they spend it and most very rich people give most of their money away to other people or entities like endowments and charities, that spend it on their behalf.  None of them "horde" their wealth because coffins don't have pockets and money isn't any good if you don't spend it.
 
When rich people spend their money, or give it away, they are always expecting it to do things they want done, whether that be their next Rolls Royce or an art endowment that builds a museum.  In all cases the people who get that money have to work for it and earn it.  They do often give some to family members but most inherited wealth is lost on average in two generations, all given back to the common worker who builds, sells, or services all the things they spend their money on.  One super rich person might keep a few dozen or sometimes even hundreds of people working.
 
On the other hand if we tax the money away from the rich so the government can distribute it they always start by taking a very sizable slice of the pie for their own use.  Then the government does what they do best, grow empires and spend more to get what they want done than any private company would.  They are a very inefficient way to fund almost anything, including charity in the form of subsidies like social assistance programs.
 
With almost all government social assistance, it grows their empire to give out more, and they generally frown on expecting people to earn what they are getting.  
 
I want to live around rich people, that's who spends the money that employs people.  If we tax the heck out of them many will leave, and others will not bother to invest their money, most don't need more income anyway.  Poor people don't hire many employees, rich people and the companies they risk their fortunes to won do.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:43pm
Rusted and a cohort of other rightists get all wound up over rich people not being given enough breaks to make more money and chronically underpay people that really make their wealth, save in situations where it's daddy's money they have gotten, unearned.  Oh yeah, let's give them more....silly workers, if they weren't so lazy and stupid, they'd be rich, of course.
Morgoth Added Nov 30, 2018 - 8:17pm
There’s that trickle down the economics that broke Kansas and Oklahoma.
Koshersalaami Added Nov 30, 2018 - 8:24pm
Rusty,
If a check for $10,000 goes to someone rich, they eat a few meals with it, maybe buy something, figure out where to invest it, which is often now in weird financial instruments. If checks totaling $10,000 go to twenty people, most businesses in the neighborhood do more business. If they’re eating out it’s a lot more meals. If they’re seeing movies, staying in hotels, buying shoes, whatever, there’s a lot more of them. If you’re not in the yacht business or something, you’re better off in most businesses with a lot of people with disposable income. And when your business grows you order more stuff and you might need to hire to keep up with demand. 
 
Aside from which, this isn’t theory, it happened. George W. Bush gave a tax cut to the wealthy, expecting jobs, and he would have gotten them if the reason rich people weren’t investing money in ventures that hire people was that they didn’t have enough capital. But they had enough capital. The reason they weren’t investing is there wasn’t enough consumer demand to make such investments profitable. So we got something called the Jobless Recovery. A tax cut didn’t bring jobs. 
 
Why wasn’t there enough consumer demand? Because average people didn’t have enough disposable income to make such investments profitable. The moral of the story is it makes more sense to prime the pump at the bottom than the top. Money does not trickle down but it does trickle up. 
 
I’m not making an ideological case here, I’m making a business case. When the poorest 40% of the population collectively owns 3/10 of one percent of the country’s wealth, that says that for a lot of businesses, two out of five consumers are functionally AWOL. 
Bill H. Added Nov 30, 2018 - 8:36pm
 
Seems that these days when the rich get richer or get tax breaks, they simply hide their money in offshore accounts, pay their people less, and move their business operations to foreign soil.
Some call it trickle-down. I call it getting pissed on.
Mustafa Kemal Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:07am
Koshersalaami,
he doesnt annoy just liberals. Just today I heard a republican express his contempt for this part the Donald character.   
 
I personally think he has asshole panache.
Or maybe its tool panache. 
 
One of my favorite images is of him tossing those paper towels to the Puerto Ricans.  I truly doubt he is a racist. To be one you would have to have some understanding of what it means to be human.  He has never had to learn to play well with others. 
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 2:48am
Trump is no more a racist than all of Ken's commenters, Gerrilea, Mogg, Rusty et al.
 
He just refuses to see racism even when it is staring him right in the face.  It's pretty fucking frustrating for a normal liberal American.  All lives matter, right?
Jim Stoner Added Dec 1, 2018 - 3:49am
KS--Thank you for your honesty and for sharing background about your tragic loss.  Of course Trump was mocking that reporter about his handicap.
 
There are so many reasons to despise Trump:  he is a liar, he has no ability to show love or empathy, he has no sense of humor, he is a poor speaker who is often incoherent, he was a miserable businessman who cheated others, he has no self-awareness, he has little respect for those who are honest with him, he has no sense of history, he does not listen well, he is intellectually lazy, he is an atrocious people manager, he is an unreformed bully, and he insults people intentionally.   Most honest people of any political persuasion would agree with these critiques, and they may have some others I didn't mention because they are not important to me ("phony Christian", "womanizer", "adulterer", "lousy actor", "poor reader", "disorganized', "ugly") . 
But the things that I really can't stand about him (just for now, I will wear the liberal label) are more about what he does in his as Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief: 
He puts people in the EPA who do not believe in protecting the environment, and in the Interior Dept. who want to exploit protected lands. 
He puts people in the Dept. of Education who do not support public education. 
His idea of trade policy is a tariff war. 
His idea of tax reform is helping out his rich buddies and big corporations. 
He shamelessly mingles his personal business interests with public policy. 
He undermines our institutions (Justice Dept., the courts, the electoral process) when they don't do his will.  
His idea of foreign policy is to withdraw from commitments to help humanity and undercut our allies, while befriending our enemies. 
He exemplifies many of the worst stereotypes other peoples have of Americans. 
Bottom line: He makes me ashamed that we would have him representing us.  
 
I remember when President Obama was criticized for speaking honestly in public in other countries; an "apology tour" it was falsely described.  Once we finally get this numbskull out of office, his successor will have to do a real apology tour, and there will have to be a thorough reversal of everything he has done that can be reversed.   Life is short, and he is wasting our precious time.  
 
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 3:55am
Fuckin' A

John Minehan Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:15am
I just heard George H. W. Bush died.
 
He was the very definition of an "able man:" volunteered for service in WWII, where he was among the youngest Naval Aviators, then Magna cum Laude, Skull & Bones and Varsity Baseball at Yale, then made a fortune in the oil Business in Texas.  Served as a Congressman, GOP National Chairman during Watergate, CIA Director after the Church Committee, Envoy and, then, Ambassador to the PRC. two term Vice President and then President.  Father of a President. 
 
Possibly, the best prepared man for the office of the Presidency.
 
"Into thy hands, O merciful Savior, we commend the soul of thy servant, George, now departed from the body. Acknowledge, we humbly beseech thee, a sheep of thine own fold, a lamb of thine own flock, a sinner of thine own redeeming. Receive him into the arms of thy mercy, into the blessed rest of everlasting peace, and into the glorious company of the saints in light. Amen."  Book of Common Prayer    
Koshersalaami Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:40am
Jim,
You hit the nail on the head.
 
John,
I heard that late last night. I respected the man. He was a true public servant and a true diplomat. He also handled the first Gulf War like it needed to be handled, by coming to the aid of an invaded friend, building a real coalition, drastically minimizing American casualties, and not allowing a shred of mission creep. From a personal standpoint he was a devoted husband and a cool guy, skydiving in his eighties, courteous to a fault. His sons governed two major states and of course the country (not that the latter did us any favors except one - he raised George not to be a hater). He will be missed. 
Koshersalaami Added Dec 1, 2018 - 9:27am
FJ,
Interesting that you said All Lives Matter. That came about because Black Lives Matter was deliberately (I hope deliberately because, if not, we’re looking at pretty serious stupidity) misinterpreted to mean Black Lives Matter More instead of the actual point which is Black Lives Matter Too. The movement exists precisely because All Lives Don’t Matter Equally and it’s mainly Black lives that are getting the short end of the stick. 
 
Not that I support the BLM organization per se, just their main stated point. The organization decided to broaden its scope to include supporting BDS. It’s one thing to support your own ethnic group, it’s quite another to screw mine. 
Liberal1 Added Dec 1, 2018 - 9:37am
"He just refuses to see racism even when it is staring him right in the face. "
 
Flying Junior, don't you think purposely ignoring "active" racism is racist in it's own right?  Just because Trump doesn't have a white hood in his closet doesn't mean his tacit acceptance of racism isn't just as bad as being a card carrying member of the KKK.
Koshersalaami Added Dec 1, 2018 - 10:16am
L1, 
That’s a longer discussion. Racism has gotten more complicated since it mainly went underground. I’d say there are three categories of people who are, let’s say, obstacles to addressing our racial issues in any way with a prayer of yielding anything like functional equality. The first is blatant racists. The second is closet racists. The third is people who don’t admit to themselves that they don’t take equality seriously but would not identify themselves as racist, even to themselves. There are one Hell of a lot of people in the third category, including in all probability the majority of bloggers on this site. They tend not to talk to Black people and not to go out of their way to find out what Black grievances are actually based on, preferring to dismiss them without examining them closely, but they do tend to go out of their way to find out how to refute those grievances. This approach isn’t honest because it starts from the premise that the grievances are inherently invalid based on a pretty cursory examination. They will tell you all about how Black problems are self-induced without really looking at the respects in which they’re not. They will tell you about how the issue is cultural without looking at the White role in developing the dysfunctional aspects of that culture. They will find examples of people who stay on public assistance and assume that most Black poor people would rather be poor and publicly supported than middle class and working based on......nothing. They will think that racism cannot exist without a smoking gun, even though that’s how a lot of it exists now. They will say things like “Al Sharpton shows up in Ferguson, so why doesn’t he concentrate on Black on Black violence?” without bothering to find out that Rev. Sharpton concentrates heavily on Black on Black violence, but that isn’t reported by their sources. They will say “It’s all the fault of dependence” when it’s the fault of a whole lot of things, the advantage to dependence being that the solution is to put fewer resources into fixing the problem - how convenient. They will ask a lot of rhetorical questions about why there’s a problem without being interested in seeking out real answers. What they will not do is really investigate the Black perspective, at least not with a shred of a tendency to consider the possibility that said perspective may contain real validity. They don’t want to know. 
 
Is that the equivalent of KKK? No, because if their moral standards really are as stated, enough of the right information could wake some of them up. But it’s not easy because we’re not dealing with minds that are exactly wide open. 
Mustafa Kemal Added Dec 1, 2018 - 10:31am
"I just heard George H. W. Bush died."
Three generations of Bush were Skull and Bones, one very important component of our deep state.. Moreover, there is clear evidence of the Prescott Bush partner Thyssen in the funding and development of the Nazis.  Thats just the beginning. Then you can move to the United Fruit Company making with world safe for Democracy in south america.
 
Neocons/neoliberals, bring on the  hagiographies!
 
Mustafa
Koshersalaami Added Dec 1, 2018 - 11:13am
I don’t hold George H. W. responsible for Prescott. 
Leroy Added Dec 1, 2018 - 11:46am
"There are so many reasons to despise Trump:  he is a liar, he has no ability to show love or empathy, he has no sense of humor, he is a poor speaker who is often incoherent, he was a miserable businessman who cheated others, he has no self-awareness, he has little respect for those who are honest with him, he has no sense of history, he does not listen well, he is intellectually lazy, he is an atrocious people manager, he is an unreformed bully, and he insults people intentionally."
 
You're right about these things, Jim.  Still, he is orders of magnitude better than his predecessor and his opponent in 2016.
Koshersalaami Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:05pm
I,m not inclined to agree
Jim Stoner Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:39pm
That's what I meant, Leroy (not the part about his predecessor and 2016 opponent, though).  Basically, all that list of Trump's defects was known before he ever ran for President.  With regard to him I was willing to live and let live, and let the buyer beware (I was a longtime NYC resident, so very familiar with him). 
 
My beef with Trump is entirely about his being President of the US, which I still find unacceptable, and I can't imagine how others can accept it.  I cannot square his being head of state with my perception of the US' historic mission, one in which I truly believe. History will not be kind to this period (maybe it's just a semi-colon, hope so). 
 
Contrast him with the late GHW Bush, an honorable and decent man, and worthy of the office.  As President, I would have to say, "Not bad...for a Republican."  I was particularly impressed with his handling of the (first) Gulf War.  He lost, basically, because the (future) Tea Party types deserted him after he raised taxes.  Cardinal sin, trying to balance the budget.  RIP. 
Jim Stoner Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:44pm
I forgot one thing:  His idea of an immigration policy is to build a big, stupid wall.  I suggest a bipartisan agreement (in order to fund the government, at least) to build a 15-20 mile prototype of his wall, put a giant image of his face on it (on both sides), and get Mexican immigrants to help build it (they would do a good job, and it would cost less).  Thousands of years from now, they would look at it, like we do with the Sphinx in Egypt, and wonder:  What were they thinking? 
Morgoth Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:56pm
@Jim Stoner:
LOL, yes.  Thud’s ugly mug will scare people away...on both sides!!!!!
 
Seriously, though, this is where the Democrats put their foot down.  If the government shuts down force Thud to do it.
Mustafa Kemal Added Dec 1, 2018 - 3:46pm
"I don’t hold George H. W. responsible for Prescott. "
I dont either.
 
 But he inherited quite a bit from his father, as did his W.  
 
Check out United Fruit, the activitlies of the CIA during his tenure and the Zapata project. Lots of making world safe for democracy.
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Dec 1, 2018 - 10:11pm
You inherited a lot of nonsense from Google, and that’s making the world safe for democracy, Moosetafa.
 
Ryan
Flying Junior Added Dec 2, 2018 - 12:48am
I think this is the best post to re-post one of Trump's latest tweets.  If any of you can support a president who is this loco I would love to hear your explanation.
 
He is using an insane collage graphic to call for the trials of Obama, Clinton, Holder, Mueller...  You tell me.  You are the faithful.  Is there any doubt this little boy wishes he really could be a dictator and put all of his enemies in prison.  O/T does he really believe that he can subvert the entire federal judiciary system with odious enough appointments.  Take a good look at this one, Trumpies.
 
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ts3w3HeuV7I/W_9_JuQbfvI/AAAAAAAAHQc/048Ct5qitdwvawQaTaJhcYiIdoxHnwUugCLcBGAs/s1600/trump-treason-twitter-retweet.jpg











Ryan Messano Added Dec 2, 2018 - 1:28am
Umm, Obama belongs in prison,  the IRS scandal alone deserves prison.   And I’m a former Obama supporter.  You simply haven’t seriously researched former presidents, which is a shame for your age and how much you talk.  
 
Hillary was the most corrupt presidential nominee ever.  Holders Fast and Furious warrants prison.  And Mueller has no business investigating anything when he did nothing as Hillary sold 20% of our uranium to Russia.  Muellers corrupt investigation is worse than Watergate, since Hillary paid $12 million for the bogus Fusion GPS Dossier and then weaponized our intelligence agencies on the opposing parties presidential nominee!
 
And you stupidly, along with your fellow corrupt and brainwashed liberals, go along with it!
 
Thats why I block you from my posts, you are too old to be so foolish.  You ought to know better.
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 2, 2018 - 3:14am
Trump is being held up for political, legal, and even criminal consequences because he was trying to buy some real estate in Russia leading up the election (when that's what his business was). And once he nearly secured the nomination, he abandoned this project. 
 
Where is the crime??? Some of his people foolishly lied about this to federal investigators. So they've been convicted of crimes. (Manafort got convicted of 'crimes' dating back to 2005.) A Wikileaks release of DNC emails clearly helped Trump but it hasn't been proven how Wikileaks got their hands on this.
 
Meanwhile, you have Trump's campaign was unmasked in their telephone calls (illegally it seems) by the Obama Administration. 
 
You've got the FISA court which authorized actual spying on Trump and his people, which appears to have been obtained illegally or couched in intentionally vague terms to deceive the FISA judge.  
 
It appears that Trump Tower may have in fact been bugged because someone in the intelligence agency told Trump this himself (around the time Trump tweeted about this). 
 
Where are the consequences for those crimes? Those are actual crimes. 
 
Meanwhile you've got Trump's term which has been almost completely undermined by the Russia collusion investigation which was based on rumor based on the illegally spying!!!! They created smoke illegally, then everyone said "where there's smoke there's fire, he must be guilty....yeah, except he's not". 
 
Everyone who is okay with how things have gone for Trump, would it be okay if a politically connected enemy of yours did this to you? These are government bureaucrats abusing power. Does that concern you? 

Shouldn't SOMEONE be behind bars for abusing power? 
John Minehan Added Dec 2, 2018 - 9:36am
"You've got the FISA court which authorized actual spying on Trump and his people, which appears to have been obtained illegally or couched in intentionally vague terms to deceive the FISA judge."
 
What has never made sense to me about this matter is that apparently British GCHQ and Dutch Signals Intelligence ("SIGINT")people have routine SIGINT intercepts of  Russians they covered talking about working with the Trump Campaign in 2015.
 
If it were something inadvertently found by a US intercept operator it would have been a predicate for a FISA warrant in itself.
 
This seems to make no sense.
 
 
 
  
George N Romey Added Dec 2, 2018 - 9:44am
Bush Sr. was a crook and class A liar but a smart one.  His son was a imbecile.  Trump is a saint compared to these two.  
Koshersalaami Added Dec 2, 2018 - 10:12am
No saint would have Trump’s profound irresponsibility when it comes to the workings of the organization he heads. He has decimated the State Department so his expertise resources in international relations are shot. He doesn’t believe he should be held to legal standards like everyone else. He doesn’t really believe in the Constitution. He tweets about imprisoning his political opponents. When he suggested the Muslim ban, who was quoted as saying “That’s UnAmerican”? Dick Cheney. That’s the standard he can’t come close to meeting. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 2, 2018 - 11:46am
George
 
Bush family are neo-aristocrats. In fact the US was like a kingdom in the era of Kennedy and Bush. Didn't work out with Clinton, though LOL
Koshersalaami Added Dec 2, 2018 - 11:54am
Clintons tried it with a woman. Harder.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 2, 2018 - 12:09pm
Imagine when Jeb Bush with his Mexican wife would have won. Not really a "wall" argument there anymore LOL
Bill H. Added Dec 2, 2018 - 10:06pm
 
I don't believe for one minute that Trump ceased any of his business ventures when he was elected. Of course he SAID he did, but most of us know how believable his words are. Here are some examples of what still goes on. This is also interesting
Even if he signed over his businesses to his son or daughter, he still makes decisions that will benefit his businesses as priority.
Koshersalaami Added Dec 2, 2018 - 11:07pm
Oh, absolutely. Ivanka was in a meeting with her father and the Prime Minister of Japan at which point she pitched him about staying at a Trump property. The Trumps don’t separate at all. 
John Howard Added Dec 3, 2018 - 10:45am
Our author writes what, to me, is the essence of his entire essay:
 
"Actually, liberalism really boils down to two things which are related. We believe in level playing fields and we believe in protecting the vulnerable."
 
But he leaves out what, to me is the essence of Liberalism: the use of violence to achieve its goals.
 
Playing fields "leveled" by a coercive ruling elite are not only not level, but they are very much unlevel for having been tilted by power politics.
 
A marketplace where every player is free to trade as he chooses under a regime of strict property rights is the only truly level field. And that is exactly what liberalism wishes to overthrow. Their aims, judging by their actions and advocacies is for a tilted playing field which has been tilted by them. 
 
Where a small class of ruling parasites "regulates" everyone else, you have the opposite of level.  Their intention is not to level the playing field.  It is to level the players by rigging the outcome of the game - using guns, clubs, and prisons as their final argument rather than to leave decisions up to the voluntary choices of free players.
 
A libertarian, constitutional, small, limited, government regime, devoted to the protection of private property rights and individual liberty, is precisely how best to protect the vulnerable from those who would like to rule over or rob them. "Liberalism" aims at overthrowing property rights and liberty by promising to "protect" the vulnerable by robbing the not-so-vulnerable while regulating everyone. This, of course, just makes everyone more vulnerable to the parasites that claim the coercive power to administer such "protection". That is why they are riding around in limousines, making altruistic noises while destroying liberty and property rights (and thus free markets), especially for the most vulnerable, who are not in a position to bribe them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.
 
"Liberalism", like most real evils, is exactly the opposite of what it claims to be. Pretending to care about levelness (equality) and the vulnerable (those with little strength), it seeks to set up a parasitic, very powerful ruling elite very much NOT level with everyone else and very much robbing everyone else of their own strength.  It is the ugliest - and deadliest - philosophical fraud on Earth.  The key to understanding "liberal" rhetoric is to understand that it is always about intentions, never about methods.  It is violent power lust masquerading altruism.
 
 
John Howard Added Dec 3, 2018 - 10:48am
Last line should have said masquerading as altruism.
TreeParty Added Dec 8, 2018 - 11:36pm
John Howard, 
   Your faith in laissez-faire, free market libertarianism is touchingly naïve, and so 18th century.
   The economy has evolved rather far from the early days of capitalism, but the worldview of you libertarians has not evolved much beyond the adolescent infatuation with Randian philosophy.
   The subject of Kosher's article is "why liberals can't stand Trump", and the "essence of his entire essay" is that liberals have human decency and concern for the vulnerable among us, which qualities Trump manifestly lacks. Kosher's personal and heartfelt explanation is spot on, but you evince no sign of his thesis having registered on your consciousness. I note with some disappointment that you did not even mention Trump in your comment, and did not acknowledge Trump's repugnant narcissism or lack of empathy for the vulnerable. 
   I understand that in the libertarian worldview, if every person was like Donald Trump, self-absorbed and rapacious, the world would be pretty ideal. What an ignorant perspective. 
   I would have thought that libertarians would be just as offended by Trump as liberals are since he is a card-carrying member of the "small class of ruling parasites" who doesn't give a damn about the Constitution or "small government". I guess I was wrong about the libertarian view of der Gropenfuhrer. Sad...
   
John Howard Added Dec 9, 2018 - 6:26pm
TreeParty writes:
 
John Howard,
Your faith in laissez-faire, free-market libertarianism is touchingly naïve, and so 18th century.
 
OMG, you mean I am out of fashion?  Shame on me!  I do not have faith in anything and I find it interesting that freedom strikes you as "touchingly naive" and out of fashion. Fundamental morality is not a matter of fashion.
 
The economy has evolved rather far from the early days of capitalism, but the worldview of you libertarians has not evolved much beyond the adolescent infatuation with Randian philosophy.
 
Rand's philosophy strikes me as generally correct. Smearing that as adolescent infatuation merely reveals you as a snide debate cheat. It says nothing about Rand or Libertarian thinking.  I doubt you would do well in an actual debate about Rand's philosophy.  Your talent seems to lie mostly with snide dismissals.
 
The subject of Kosher's article is "why liberals can't stand Trump", and the "essence of his entire essay" is that liberals have human decency and concern for the vulnerable among us, which qualities Trump manifestly lacks. Kosher's personal and heartfelt explanation is spot on, but you evince no sign of his thesis having registered on your consciousness. I note with some disappointment that you did not even mention Trump in your comment, and did not acknowledge Trump's repugnant narcissism or lack of empathy for the vulnerable.
 
Your view of the essence of this essay and my view differ. And I made clear that the difference is that I do not believe that "human decency and concern for the vulnerable among us," are, in fact, best served by violence, but rather by freedom. It is a hallmark of the lefty "worldview" that intentions are everything and methods are best left unmentioned.
 
I understand that in the libertarian worldview, if every person was like Donald Trump, self-absorbed and rapacious, the world would be pretty ideal. What an ignorant perspective.
 
Nonsense. Donald Trump is not a hero of the Libertarians. He is not a defender of freedom and small government and property rights. Using Trump to smear Libertarians is a non-starter.
 
I would have thought that libertarians would be just as offended by Trump as liberals are since he is a card-carrying member of the "small class of ruling parasites" who doesn't give a damn about the Constitution or "small government". I guess I was wrong about the libertarian view of der Gropenfuhrer. Sad...
 
I did not address Trump because I do not think he is important. Your stupid little syllogism that, if I do not join you in dumping on Trump, I must support him, reminds me of "W" Bush telling me if I am not with his mass-murdering war plans, I am an enemy agent.
 
Summarizing: you are clearly very ignorant about Libertarians, especially about the moral foundations at the root of their thinking.
 
Very sad......
Koshersalaami Added Dec 9, 2018 - 8:40pm
“I did it address Trump because I do it think he is important.” That’s a rather odd response to a post about a reaction to Trump. 
 
What makes you think the elite you keep referencing is liberal? Wall Street certainly isn’t. 
 
Violent liberals? Who and how? Are you going to give me this “liberalism is represented by Antifa” crap? They’re pretty new, at least in terms of getting any press, and the idea that they’d affect most conservatives or anyone else is ludicrous. But you might have another party in mind. 
John Howard Added Dec 10, 2018 - 12:16pm
@Koshersalaami
 
Obviously, I addressed your post, though not your whole post.  You wrote a "boils down to" line that I took as a fundamental point and I addressed that.
 
"Liberals" are, in my opinion, those who favor government regulation of the economy and redistribution of "the" wealth, i.e., extorting wealth from some for the benefit of others.  Perhaps I am wrong, but those are not voluntary activities.  Wall Street and the central bank, joined at the hip philosophically, are very much in favor of controlling the economy.  I consider Trump to be a liberal.  I read that he used to vote Democrat. 
 
Am I going to give you crap?  No, boss.  Antifa wear hoods to cover their cowardly faces.  I don't think they are very important.  
John Howard Added Dec 10, 2018 - 12:22pm
Liberals are thieves.  They even stole the name "liberal", which used to refer to those who wanted to be free of parasitic rulers, but now refers to parasites who want free stuff from their rulers. 
Koshersalaami Added Dec 10, 2018 - 12:38pm
Liberals do not consider Trump to be a liberal. He used to vote Democratic. He changed enough to be elected President as a Republican. 
 
Why is it that guys like you worry so much about redistribution downward but not upward? It’s still redistribution. 
 
Like most conservatives, you seem to think that liberals view government as an end. It’s not, it’s a means. If the private sector hadn’t grown by leaps and bounds while real incomes for the middle class haven’t increased since Nixon, we wouldn’t necessarily be looking to government for a fix. How did we get to the point where the poorest 40% of the population collectively has 3/10 of 1% of America’s wealth? Generally speaking, for us to want to get government involved, the private sector has to screw it up first. The government shouldn’t have to tell private industry not to pollute public land, air, or water. The government shouldn’t have to tell private industry to hire on merit rather than race or gender. The government shouldn’t have to tell private industry that they can’t put dangerous compounds into drugs or make false claims about them. The government shoulnd’t have to tell private industry to make cars safe. The government shouldn’t have to tell private industry that labeling what’s in foods, and nutritional value, is a good idea. The government shouldn’t have to tell private industry that they can’t build houses with unsafe electrical systems. 
 
It’s a pain in the ass to tell the private sector this stuff. It’s a pain in the ass to have to regulate it. It’s a pain in the ass to administer it, and it’s a pain in the ass to raise taxes to pay for what should be unnecessary in the first place. If industry paid attention to their responsibilities as citizens instead of inordinate attention to the income of their stockholders, we wouldn’t need this crap. But we do, because too much of private industry, particularly big private industry, is too willing to screw the public for a buck. It’s not universal but it’s widespread enough to need regulating. The problem with it being widespread is the lowest common denominator problem: in any given industry, whoever cuts the greatest corners forces their competitors to follow suit to remain competitive. 
 
That the private sector unregulated has a propensity to be really irresponsible is not on liberals. 
TreeParty Added Dec 10, 2018 - 12:54pm
Good response, Kosher!
TreeParty Added Dec 10, 2018 - 12:55pm
John Howard, The title of Kosher's article is, "So why can't liberals stand Trump?"
Now, pretend you are back in English class in the tenth grade. Your homework is: read Kosher's article and write a short explanation of his thesis. Your comment above would rate a C- minus at best; it is completely off-topic. You may not, even now, understand what Kosher was saying, so deep and rancorous is your prejudice against "liberalism." If it hasn't been made apparent to you, liberals really can't stand Trump, and Koshersalaami has written a decent explanation of part of why that is. If you had any intellectual curiosity about why liberals can't stand Trump, it has been spoken to; did you miss it?
"Donald Trump is not a hero of the Libertarians. He is not a defender of freedom and small government and property rights."
I did not claim that Trump is a "hero of the Libertarians"; I claimed that he is the embodiment of the "successful", self-interested individualist that Libertarian philosophy idealizes (encourages and respects.) Donald Trump is one of the most repellant, repugnant individuals I know of who is not presently in prison. I would be interested for you to explain why libertarians can stand that poor excuse for a human being! 
Please don't waste our time with the chimera of "liberal violence." This whole thread is not about that fantasy; write your own article if you want to expound on that.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 10, 2018 - 1:08pm
I am reading the "Naked Communist" by W. Cleon Skousen, and it wonderfully describes the rotten underpinnings of the liberals thought process on here.  Highly recommend it.  Marx, Engels, and you liberals are clueless about history and human nature, and that is why you are mentally deficient.  
Koshersalaami Added Dec 10, 2018 - 1:10pm
We liberals don’t generally follow the dictates of Marx and Engels. That’s a myth. It would be kind of hard for me to be a Marxist in business, which is where I make my living and where I think I should make my living. For you to assume that we do is why you are mentally deficient. 
John Howard Added Dec 10, 2018 - 2:53pm
Koshersalaami asks,
 
Why is it that guys like you worry so much about redistribution downward but not upward? It’s still redistribution. 
 
Why is it that guys like you keep pretending that you know what I think or worry about, and consistently get it wrong?  I have never defended any kind of redistribution.  Redistribution = stealing. 
Koshersalaami Added Dec 10, 2018 - 5:15pm
Redistribution upward is why redistribution downward is being viewed as more and more necessary. When a single family has more money than the poorest 40% of America’s population, we have a problem. And when people in that position - in this case the Kochs, who don’t collectively have as much money as the Waltons but individually have more - spend a fortune in campaign contributions to get people into office who are most likely to eliminate inheritance taxes, we’re looking at even more redistribution upward. So while guys who work their asses off get taxed at whatever income tax bracket they’re in for their income and the children of billionaires who inherit get taxed at nothing for their income, we’re looking at redistribution. As things stand now, the guys who collect your garbage pays way more taxes on his income than, say, Eric Trump will pay on inherited income if his father predeceases him. What does that encourage? 
 
And, by the way, for our economy we’re looking at dysfunctional redistribution that hurts business. What most businesses need is customers with disposable income. The more customers with disposable income, the more most businesses sell, and the more they sell, the more jobs they create, and the more jobs they create, the more active customers and active taxpayers they create. When our growth is all with a small population at the top, more customers are not getting more disposable income. 
 
What do you as a conservative propose we do about that redistribution? Liberals favor redistribution downward, largely to counter redistribution upward. If economic growth were lifting all boats, downward redistribution wouldn’t be necessary, except maybe for some of the very poor. Given that our solution to upward redistribution is downward redistribution, what’s your solution to upward redistribution? 
 
I don’t hear conservatives talking about upward redistribution much. What I hear is a bunch of guys who are way, way more concerned about the Undeserving Poor than the Undeserving Rich. Maybe you’re an exception. 
 
I do know that conservatives don’t like deficits. If anything could reduce the deficit substantially, it’s taxing the Undeserving Rich. For some reason, conservatives complain a great deal more about the expense of social programs than the expense of undertaxation of the wealthy, particularly on inheritance, where many in Congress, calling it the Death Tax, want to eliminate inheritance taxes altogether. 
 
Again, maybe you’re an exception, but I sure don’t read posts by conservatives saying we should increase inheritance taxes. 

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