What is Racism?

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Racism is a term that has been used by the left, almost exclusively, to shut down any discussion about anything that disagrees with their agenda.

 

It absolutely astounds me that so many don't seem to have a concept of what racism really is, or they simply refuse to accept it.

 

the basic definition -

 

racism

[rey-siz-uh m]
 
noun
  1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
  2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
  3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

 

There are too many here, and in life in general that simply believe only those in power and/or caucasians are the only possible racists.

 

ANYONE can be a racist.  It simply depends on how you look at different races versus your own.

 

Whoever has the "power" may be racist, but that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't can't be as well.

 

The absolute term of "reverse racism" implies that only caucasians can be racist, and anyone not caucasian can't be, so if they are bigots they are "reverse racists".  This is ludicrous, but  a wonderful talking point for the left.

 

Anyone who sees life through the prism of race (virtually anyone on the left, and almost no one on the right), is by definition a racist.

 

There are some here who I continuously point out as racist, some of the most racist folks I have ever actually discussed topics with, in fact.  But hey, black folks can't be racist, right?

 

Racism isn't a power thing, it is a state of mind.  Too many see everything through the prism of race and ignore the greater context of life.

 

Many who say "I may be a bigot, but I cannot be racist", don't get it.  racism has NO racial, cultural, or power boundaries.

Comments

Flying Junior Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:10am
Nice article Ken,
 
Every word you say is true within some context.  But from La Jolla to Johannisberg, racism is generally held to be a contempt by white people for the darker races, be they Mestizo, Mulatto, Negro, Arabic, Semitic, Indian, East European or even Asian.
 
Most of the racism we see at home is a general distrust for the black or brown man exhibited by both the populace and the gendarmes.  There is also the racism of segregation which has been particularly persistent.  Racism against Jews is intractable and possibly permanent.  I know that most American, European and Russian Jews are just as white as WASPs and Teutons, but the palpable hatred still falls under the general category of racism.
 
There is a grain of truth in your argument.  There are definitely schisms, fear and outright hatred between many races.  Even here in the U.S. there have been historical instances of racial tensions between non-whites.
 
But of course, the idea of reverse racism or racism against white people is entirely an intellectual construct.  While black people and other persecuted races may very well hold a strong resentment of white people, that cannot correctly be construed as racism.  The idea that white people are denied opportunities due to affirmative action policies is simply laughable.
 
You know what white privilege is.  You feel it every time you apply for a job; every time you walk through a neighborhood or down the street; every time you drive your car in the city or on the freeway.  It's our birthright.  What we don't understand is what it is to be outside of that zone of comfort and safety.






Flying Junior Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:22am
And of course, racism is exhibited in the form of scapegoating populations for taking away jobs.

Ken Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:44am
The entire reason for me posting this FJ - it is simply racist to believe that the caucasian is the racist....just a grain of truth to my argument?
 
"A strong resentment of white people cannot be construed as racism"
 
 
Huh?  what else is it?
 
I don't believe in "white privilege".  I don't believe in social justice.  I believe in equal justice.  People can do as well as they are willing and able to do they just need an equal platform to start from, that is what the USA provides.
opher goodwin Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:54am
Ken - what you say is true. Any race can be racist. But racism without power is ineffective. Racism with power is highly destructive.
The power for the last few hundred years has resided with white males. They are the ones who have exerted their racism and sexism throughout the world - colonising, evangelising and applying prejudice, stereotyping, mocking and bullying - often accompanied by draconian laws and violence - slavery, lynchings and apartheid/segregation.
Things are changing and they are beginning to feel the backlash. Their superiority has been questioned and found wanting.
The boot is on the other foot. The fear of the white males is palpable. Just listen to old Lyndsay fearfully ranting.
Equality would be nice. Time to change and build a fairer world. I doubt that will eradicate racism but it would sure soothe its sting.
JC Teecher Added Nov 30, 2018 - 6:02am
I agree.  The left has issues of inner racism which is not readily observed because they use the "word" racism to smokescreen their own racist guilt.  When the leftist elite jump on the race card band wagon, they are usually just hurling personal insults at those they cannot win an argument with .....with facts and truth.
 
That is the way is is with liberals.  When you present them with facts; especially biblical ones, they become confused and defensive and reach down and pull up a handful of personal insults out of their bags of dung speech, and hurl away.
I have been called a racist for stating the facts about voting statistics....especially when I say that during the 2016 potus election, 96% of African American women voted for Hellery, an unbelievably; over 80% of those claimed to be Christians, with over half saying they attend a church weekly.  Yea for good measure the liberals, and atheists, call me a racist for pointing this out as well as throwing out the old misogynist card as well.  What idiots!
Flying Junior Added Nov 30, 2018 - 6:10am
JC,
 
Such projection.  I am happy that you are satisfied with your daily walk.  Sounds to me like you have it in pretty bad for black American females.
 
So no Christian in their right mind could vote for Hellery?
 
C-Ya
 
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Stone-Eater Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:36am
Ken
 
One has to be very careful with the word "racism". There is a very fine line, often not visible, hidden, jokingly meant when it's not.....
 
There is "racism" everywhere. But then: The people from Basel, Switzerland, mock about people of Zurich, Switzerland, because they speak different dialects. People from the US South mock people from Maine. Malians mock people from Senegal. Africans mock Whites in Africa. White Europeans mock the Chinese.
 
And so on.
 
This starts in villages and ends in countries, races and color. But PC made it a BIG DEAL when it's mostly NOT. A lot of "racism" is not racism, but not knowing how to handle and understand and accept different cultures. Insecurity, fear, ignorance. Or simply joking ! But PC succeeded that it has become forbidden to joke about it. I, for myself, don't give a shit. A negro is a negro, and a bleachhead is a bleachhead. So what ? The guy in front of me will know that I joke. Because he knows that I accept him as he is.
 
REAL racists are, all over the world, just a minority. These are unsecure, ill-educated people who never made it further than their front yard.
Steel Breeze Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:35am
i approach all folk the same way.....warily......until they've proven i dont have to...
Ward Tipton Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:46am
The issue of Racism, like the issue of Left vs Right ... is demonstrably different depending on who you ask. For the left, Nazi is to the right because in their vision, both the left and the right are totalitarian, there is no room for a libertarian or open society. Likewise with racism, they will define it completely differently, never mind the facts. They believe that racism must be institutional by nature, because it is what allows for the oppression of minorities, not just some dumb-arse displaying his prejudice through ignorant bias. 
Women are Inferior Added Nov 30, 2018 - 9:54am
Racism, racism, racism...Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!
FacePalm Added Nov 30, 2018 - 10:53am
Ken-
i've always thought racism was easy to define: a negative prejudice against anyone because of their skin color.
 
MLK's "I have a Dream" speech was clear, in that he called for a society that judged others NOT because of the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
 
i honestly believe that the current fad of claiming all whites are racist is just ChiCom divide'n'conquer crap, a psyop they've engineered to sow division along race lines - and most of MSM have bought into it and are disseminating it...while hypocritically blaming Trump for "dividing the nation."  This is why CNN and MSNBC are losing ratings like a sieve.  They're liars and hypocrites, and TRANSPARENTLY so. 
 
The vast majority of Americans see right through this crap, which is why they're tuning out; if everything and everyone is racist, nothing and no one is.
 
When an obvious and determined racist and anti-semite like Farrakhan (and Duke) KEEP their leftist platforms, while conservatives and flag-waving nationalists are thrown off, one should ask themselves: "Why is this so?"
 
To me, the answer is clear; they're the ones who are REALLY behind "dividing the country," in their hopes to see it crash and burn, in order for the NWO/OWG to take over and create the prison-planet of their wet-dreams.
Rusty Smith Added Nov 30, 2018 - 11:13am
Ken Forgive Flying Jr, he sees Racism everywhere he looks, even when it has nothing to do with the issues being discussed.  I think he blames overt Racism for lots of the things he thinks are wrong, and assuming that's true in many cases where there is no evidence of Racism but he'd rather not admit other factors might be at play.
 
Sometimes he seems to be a good example of what Facepalm just said, claiming all whites are racist.
Gerrilea Added Nov 30, 2018 - 11:20am
Ken--- Great article and insights.
 
Flying J--- You are really funny when you say this:
 
"...racism is exhibited in the form of scapegoating populations for taking away jobs..."
 
The "left" scapegoats the "right" all day long, for anything and everything.
 
Sadly, when you say that I'm "racist" because I want lawful immigration (with quota's) that will protect my ability to make money, you miss the whole point of how and why Trump got elected.
 
Bill H. Added Nov 30, 2018 - 11:37am
 
Racism is simply a way for people to reinforce their wanted feelings of superiority. The more inferior people really believe they are, the more likely they will be racist to try and bolster their self image.
People with strong narcissistic and paranoid personality traits are especially prone to being racist, since they are unable to admit to any personal faults, and are especially likely to demonize others. It is also common among those who have obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD).
Gerrilea Added Nov 30, 2018 - 12:46pm
Bill H--- I'm sorry you were doing fine until you equated it with a fictitious "mental" disorder.
 
The problem is that the majority have been conditioned to "label" and compartmentalize everything and everyone.  It, as Ken pointed out, controls and ends the public discourse.
 
Most of the replies I've read of yours here on this site does exactly that..."demonize others", does this mean you have some mental problems that we should be aware of?
Bill H. Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:02pm
I simply stated that racism is common among those with the described afflictions. Of course, it is also prevalent among certain peer groups as a commodity to "fit in". I witnessed this quite a bit while in High School.
What to you was the "fictitious mental disorder"?
Ken Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:38pm
i honestly believe that the current fad of claiming all whites are racist is just ChiCom divide'n'conquer crap, a psyop they've engineered to sow division along race lines - and most of MSM have bought into it and are disseminating it...while hypocritically blaming Trump for "dividing the nation." 
 
I don't think you have to go all the way to conspiracy theories to see what causes it.  The term racism is used everywhere by the left to shut down argument and take the moral high ground.  I don't believe most of them are Chinese.
 
They always lose on the facts, so they ultimately resort to shutting down the argument.  You are a "denier", you are a "racist", you are a "homophobe", you are a "mysoginist" - depending on what argument it is they are losing.
 
And they don't hesitate to combine terms together.
 
When everyone is a racist, no one is a racist.
 
It is also laughable that "white males are running in fear" for the reasons also mentioned.  in fact over 25% of all lynchings in the south were white people.  It is a myth that it was exclusively blacks who were lynched. 
 
Those on the left who DO persecute white males should ask themselves "What have they actually done?"  There has been no institutionalized racism in America in over half a century.  Virtually no one alive today participated in it, so why are they suddenly at fault?  On top of that, pre-Obama, America seldom even thought about race.  Suddenly everyone was a racist.  Obama wouldn't have ever been elected if America was as racist as the left claims.  He COULDN'T have been.
 
He could have been a transformational president for the ages.  Truly showing we were a post-racial society.  Instead he turned the clock back half a century and divided and divided and divided all for political power.
Ken Added Nov 30, 2018 - 1:40pm
Bill - I challenge you to show any facts that prove that racism is "common among those afflictions".  Or any causality between one and the other
Bill H. Added Nov 30, 2018 - 2:59pm
 
If I was to provide a web link, you would simply write it off as a " Radical Liberal Left Wing" source, so I won't take your bait.
Simply do some web searches yourself maybe using the word Racist and the afflictions I mentioned above.
FacePalm Added Nov 30, 2018 - 2:59pm
Ken-
You may be unaware of the degree to which ChiComs have infested colleges in this country; who do you think TEACHES this racist nonsense?  The goal of the ChiComs is to dominate the world itself; they know that the chances of destroying the United States militarily is nigh-impossible, which is why they're resorting to a "Cultural Revolution, American Style."  All this tearing down of statues and despising of our history had to have an origin-point.  Think about it.
 
They're not entirely to blame, either; those pushing for the NWO/OWG are allied with them, for they know that America is the greatest obstacle to accomplishing their deviant desires.
Flying Junior Added Nov 30, 2018 - 4:47pm
Again, great discussion Ken.  Thank you G and Mogg for weighing in.  I read every word.

Doug Plumb Added Nov 30, 2018 - 5:58pm
It could be that, in the aggregate, as the doctors say, Chinese are smarter and Blacks are dumber than Whites. It doesn't matter though, it doesn't apply to the person sitting across from you and the docs don't know everything, in fact, ask one about nutrition or doc life span and see for yourself. I have trouble with the notion that a single number can describe intelligence, but I need two numbers to specify a paper clip.
Racism, in and of itself is stupid. Whites didn't build the West, it grew out of a common law tradition, not white skin.
Racism was created as a means of dividing and conquering the masses and its sad that an otherwise legitimate movement alt-Right, is corrupted by it. Its worse when Christians buy into it, its completely anti Christian and anti common law.
Rusty Smith Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:06pm
I've hired and managed a lot of people and know better than to make assumptions based on race, since it truly has nothing to do with job performance.  Good and bad employee can be found in all racial groups and the better my staff performs, the better I look.
 
I have at times been accused of discrimination, by qualifying minorities, but can assure you if they were the best tool I could hire to make me look good, I'd have done it.
 
It's too bad that some folks see racism in every action involving white people, that leads to a lot of frivolous lawsuits.
 
For those who believe whites are inherently racists, is the reverse true when they live in places like some African countries where they are the minority?  Then are the Black people inherently racists?
Ken Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:19pm
If I was to provide a web link, you would simply write it off as a " Radical Liberal Left Wing" source, so I won't take your bait.
 
To interpret - "I have no proof, so just take my word for it". 
 
If you believe I will write off the link as a left wing source, than find one I won't.  I do that with my links, find left wing sources as well as right wing sources so that they can't just be written off except by those who refuse to believe anything.  If the only place you can find such a statement is something that will be written off as a "Radical left wing source" - well then, the point you are making probably is nothing more than a talking point and not actually a fact.
 
I know you have trouble with critical thinking.  It is a shame you were taught what to think and not how to think when you were younger.
Ken Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:23pm
You may be unaware of the degree to which ChiComs have infested colleges in this country; who do you think TEACHES this racist nonsense?  The goal of the ChiComs is to dominate the world itself; they know that the chances of destroying the United States militarily is nigh-impossible
 
I am quite aware.  I also am aware that the chances are not as bleak as you think.  The evisceration of our military by Obama has actually made it a toss up as to whether we would win a non-nuclear war with Russia and/or China.
 
My point was simply that road doesn't need to be traveled here.  While a lot is being taught, my point was not how it is being taught, but rather by how it is being used as a political weapon by the left.
Doug Plumb Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:23pm
Orientals are extremely racist and there are tensions, racial ones between N. Koreans and Japanese and Chinese. Many Orientals have told me this. Orientals and Jews are the most racist, as many Orientals have told me wrt Orientals of their racism at home. Many Jews have told me they are Gods chosen. I've seen white racists on u-tube, but only ever actually knew of one. He hated blacks and Jews.
Doug Plumb Added Nov 30, 2018 - 7:24pm
re "I don't think you have to go all the way to conspiracy theories to see what causes it.  "
 
Conspiracies are a fact of life and much of politics is shaped by conspiracy. Don't believe me, read Aristotle.
John Minehan Added Nov 30, 2018 - 8:22pm
Ken,
 
You mentioned  your girlfriend is Black.
 
Have you ever been in a store or a restaurant with her and felt you were getting more attention/scrutiny from store employees or things of that nature?
 
I can remember going to lunch with colleagues from the Army in Texas (some of whom were Black) and not feeling that but going to lunch some years later with colleagues from law school (some of whom were Black) in upstate NY and feeling like people were watching.  (Could be the difference between Army Officers in an Army town and grad students in a college town, but I don't know.)
 
I also was the Executive Officer of the Company at FT Huachuca where the CPTs in the Advanced/Career Course were assigned.  I had a merchant uptown complain about a CPT and I asked to see him.  New CPTs in OAC tend to be arrogant, they just survived being LTs and think they are the next Patton (or, in Intel, probably Oscar Koch).  So, I figured that was the case.  The guy came in.  He was new and had a name that did not standout in my memory, but I remembered him when I saw him and he was a very professional guy.  He also turned out to be Black.  I got his side.  Talked to the EO office about complaints about the merchant (they were legion) and asked the CPT to file one as well. 
 
Context matters.  That merchant probably didn't usually have any power, but he had it over a Black Army CPT in that moment or tried to.  The guy I work with (who attended an Ivy League College) has said that Asian Students there, especially from the PRC, were sometimes abusive to white kids.
 
Envy probably played a role in both events.  A white guy running a restaurant in southern Arizona probably envied the Black Army CPT.  The student from the PRC probably resented the white kids, who on average are probably less capable and hardworking and who may be seen as entitled "legacies."
 
Human beings are flawed creatures and a little empthy goes a long way.    
Bill H. Added Nov 30, 2018 - 8:54pm
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:27am
Doug - Orientals are extremely racist and there are tensions, racial ones between N. Koreans and Japanese and Chinese. Many Orientals have told me this. Orientals and Jews are the most racist, as many Orientals have told me wrt Orientals of their racism at home. Many Jews have told me they are Gods chosen.
 
 
That is all kind of silly.  anecdotal, not empirical.  The bible actually says that jews are "God's chosen" people, but I have known many Jews, and have never seen them be racist, other than they wish to make sure they marry for the most part within the faith.  There are so few Jewish people in the world today because of thousands of years of hate, can you blame them for trying to not want to become extinct?
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:29am
Have you ever been in a store or a restaurant with her and felt you were getting more attention/scrutiny from store employees or things of that nature?
 
Actually, the only time I ever felt uncomfortable was when I went into a primarily black bar with her - at her request - and got a lot of inquisitive looks.  I never felt uncomfortable at any other time with her in public.  She wanted me to "feel" the minority experience
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:41am
Bill - you prove my point completely. You have a single source that you repeat.  Can you not find anything that corroborates your thesis?
 
You are pushing a single viewpoint from a single publication, that is the best you've got? - and yes, psychology today is not really "science", there is a lot of interpretations as to what psychological things mean, left or right.  Psychology isn't even a medical qualification, psychiatry is.
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:41am
Mogg - it was pulled from dictionary.com
FacePalm Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:43am
Doug Plumb-
One needn't go QUITE so far back:
 
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
-- Benjamin Disraeli(1804-1881) First Prime Minister of England
Source: his novel 'Coningsby, the New Generation', 1844
 
"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans."
- British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876
 
"It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any outcropping of what is now called 'a conspiracy theory of history.' For a search for 'conspiracies,' as misguided as the results often are, means a search for motives, and an attribution of individual responsibility for the historical misdeeds of ruling elites. If, however, any tyranny or venality, or aggressive war imposed by the State was brought about not by particular State rulers but by mysterious and arcane 'social forces,' or by the imperfect state of the world -- or if, in some way, everyone was guilty -- then there is no point in anyone's becoming indignant or rising up against such misdeeds. Furthermore, a discrediting of 'conspiracy theories' will make the subjects more likely to believe the 'general welfare' reasons that are invariably put forth by the modern State for engaging in aggressive actions."
-- Murray N. Rothbard(1926-1995) Dean of the Austrian School of Economics
Source: For a New Liberty (New York: Macmillan, 1973), p. 6
 
i have lots more, but i'll desist.  The bottom line is that you're absolutely right.
The very phrase "conspiracy nut" entered the American lexicon as a CIA psyop, a way to disparage all those who refused to buy gov't lies about JFK's assassination.  It gave an excuse not to think for those who didn't want to think anyway.  It's much easier to laugh, mock, and deride than it is to think, you see?
FacePalm Added Dec 1, 2018 - 12:47am
en-
My point was simply that road doesn't need to be traveled here. 
To me, all relevant information is ... well, relevant.
 
While a lot is being taught, my point was not how it is being taught, but rather by how it is being used as a political weapon by the left.
My point was that the left didn't come with this strategy on it's own.  i strongly suspect think tanks and psych profiles played a large part in not only the manipulation of curricula, but also the minds of those being "taught"(more akin to "programming," however).
 
All the typical questions in an article should be addressed, IMO: who, what, when, where, why, and how are not only important for understanding, but also for devising counter-strategies, should one desire to do so.  For me, it's not quite enough to just outline the problem and concentrate on that side alone - it's also good to speculate and/or come up with an actual plan to refute or reject the ancient and still as effective as it ever was tactic of "divide and conquer."  Best i can tell, few people enjoy being manipulated, and on some occasions, may actually appreciate learning just how that was done.
 
Of course, one may likely also run into what Sam Clemens noted long ago, as well:
 
"It is easier to persuade someone to believe a lie than to convince them they have been lied to."
 
Paradigm-shattering info runs into the problem of cognitive dissonance, but slow persuasion has a much greater possibility of breaking through resistance to discover Truth.
 
As Alvin Toffler noted:
 
"The illiterates of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
- Alvin Toffler
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:04am
FP - your quotes are useful, but they would be better offered if you made your point and then used them to enforce it - not just using the thoughts of others in your responses.
 
Your original thoughts rather than quoting others all the time would be better.  Use them to support you, don't use them to drive the argument.
Bill H. Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:05am
I'll just leave you with your comfort compatriots.
I'm one more who will depart your sandbox.
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:14am
got it Bill, you have a single source that doesn't even truly prove your hypothesis, and you can't come up with a single corroboration. so you shuffle off elsewhere.
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 2:32am
racism can NEVER e benign.  USA has been the greatest example of multicultural population in history.
 
The problem is that the word "racism" is being used as a political javelin by the left.  It is becoming meaningless because it is being used to stop any argument against them.
 
The true definition of racism, most don't even know, that is why I posted this.  So many on the left just assume that anyone they disagree with is racist.  We hear it shouted over and over
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 2:41am
Many thanks to the various contributors, especially Ken.  I am still going to conclude with my prepared response.
 
Hello All,
 
I just wanted to check back in.  I felt bad top-commenting on Ken’s discussion.  I’m sure it was not what he hoped to see.  However, I feel I did represent the more liberal viewpoint at the least adequately.  We really don’t need a universal dictionary definition of racism to talk about racism in the U.S.  I do not wish to argue point-by-point who is right and who is wrong.  I have learned much in the last two years about those who are cut from a different cloth.  We do not share the same socio-political DNA.  We will never see eye to eye on certain issues.
 
My parents were raised in Oklahoma and Texas.  But in the 1930s that only meant that their parents were Roosevelt democrats.  My grandparents instilled in them a sympathy for the plight of the black man in the United States as well as a liberality to serve them equally well in any discussion about civil rights and tolerance.  By 1950 when they were young adults a liberal attitude towards civil rights came naturally.  They lived through the entire civil rights movement as teenagers and adults.  By the time I was ten, supposedly it was all accomplished.
 
So if you can allow me a pertinent digression.  It has been queried, “Why do liberals hate Donald Trump so viscerally?”  If I can speak just for myself…  I think this may apply to hundreds of thousands of liberals if not millions…  Certainly millions of black people:  The very day that I decided that I truly hated Donald Trump and could no longer find any forgiveness in my heart for him was the first press interview after the horrific events in Charlottesville the weekend of August 11th-12th, 2017.
 
Trump’s lukewarm at best mild consternation at the actions of the well-armed and violent Unite the Right coalition of White Supremacist, American Nazis and Violent Anti-Semites drove us mad.  Other republican good guys such as Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah saw this disgusting rally for what it was.
 
Liberals such as myself and our friends amongst the republican party simply cannot abide by this ignorant denial of racism.  We don’t understand it.  We never will.
 
But I have learned enough from various posters on the WB that it is more of a political stance than an actual embracing of racism.  I know that none of you present here would ever consider yourselves to be racists in any way.  (Lindsay, go away.)  But I still can’t understand your insistence on denying the very real problem of racism in the United States today.
 
That gives me some insight as to where Trump was coming from with his inadequate response to Charlottesville.  Of course I will never forgive him.  And he will never be my president.  But it gives me some understanding of just how he could have come to such vile and meaningless conclusions.

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Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 2:44am
BTW  Mogg,
 
What the fuck happened to your profile last night?  What was that weird article with all periods?  It looked to me like you were disappearing faster than Bilbo Baggins.  I was actually a little bit sad to see you go.  I thought you had deleted your account or something.
 
Software glitch?
FacePalm Added Dec 1, 2018 - 2:54am
Ken-
FP - your quotes are useful, but they would be better offered if you made your point and then used them to enforce it - not just using the thoughts of others in your responses.
 
i prefer "buttress" to "enforce."  That's what gov't agents do. 
Sorry you don't care for my style of using the opinions of others to support my own; get used to it.  i'm not about to change it to please you.  Tried that already by spelling out OTOH, IOW, IMO, and IIRC already in accommodation of your request, and it didn't do squat to satisfy you, so if you don't like it, tough.  No one's making you read the comments i make.
 
Your original thoughts rather than quoting others all the time would be better.  Use them to support you, don't use them to drive the argument.
 
See above.  i'm not accepting this as "constructive criticism" because you deliberately used your time NOT to respond to the actual POINTS raised, but just to diverge into this useless and unprofitable tangent.
Jim Stoner Added Dec 1, 2018 - 3:05am
Ken, 
I think you make a valid point that the word "racist" is used too broadly.  Better, more accurate descriptions of the behaviors often called that would be insensitive, lack of empathy, insecurity, mistrust. 
Unfortunately, I have seen too many examples of people being denigrated or treated unjustly, explicitly due to their ethnicity.  That is "racism", and it must be condemned unequivocally.  I have not always had the courage to do that, something I regret. 
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 3:29am
I think what is going on in America today, outside of the crazies who idolize Hitler and long to send black people back to Africa and who knows what they wish to do with Jews, could boil down to just one murder.
 
What did any of you personally think of the Trayvon Martin murder?
 
Your feelings on this issue can easily explain your position on Black Lives Matter.





Ward Tipton Added Dec 1, 2018 - 7:45am
Back to definitions when again, the words have been twisted by a great many who now use an entirely new definition. Never mind the historical precedent, never mind the reality. Control the language and you control the game. Democracy is good. Racism is systemic control and oppression, not believing that one's race is superior over others. The left and the right are both totalitarian in their mind so there can be no room for a libertarian view ... and the list continues to grow. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:14am
Racism is treating people differently solely according to the color of their skin. Affirmative action is racism. It presumes that the beneficiary can only advance with special consideration granted for their skin color. Also when someone is a colossal asshole and they are spared criticism because of the shield of their race? That too is racism
Eric Reports Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:42pm
The racism card is pulled by the left to win the argument.  "You can't be right because you are a racist."  Except it doesn't matter whether the other guy is a racist or not. 
FacePalm Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:49pm
TBH-
You're getting close to defining "identity politics," too, which is inherently divisive, and intentionally so. 
 
Divide and conquer is just as valid a strategy as it ever was, from the first battle of tribe against tribe.
 
It is rather the antithesis of "E Plurbus Unum."  Those who prefer to keep agitation and conflict going always accentuate differences.  Don't want them thinking in terms of "unity" or brotherhood or togetherness, "they" might become "too dangerous."
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:59pm
This article was totally racist. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 1, 2018 - 1:59pm
hahah
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 1, 2018 - 2:36pm
WWG1WGA, eh FacePalm? :)
John Minehan Added Dec 1, 2018 - 4:20pm
"What did any of you personally think of the Trayvon Martin murder?"
 
I think you could have convicted Zimmermann on Murder II/Manslaughter, but virtually guaranteed he would be acquitted by trying for Murder I.
 
I'm not admitted in Florida, but I'm told that Manslaughter is how "excessive force used in self-defense, resulting in a death" is usually tried.
 
Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch guy, his job was to "observe and report," not "confront people while armed."
  
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 4:31pm
So was my test correct?  Does that mean that you have some sympathy for the Black Lives Matter movement?

The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 1, 2018 - 5:06pm
my sympathies lie with all peoples who are shit on by the law, regardless of their skin color. That is because I am not a racist. By my definition of the term the people behind BLM or any other "our peeps only" group is a racist. They are dividers because as long as they keep us divided they can just go right on railroading citizens at will. You are a stooge for still not accepting that the entire affair in Charlottesville was a set up. Not the fact that one of the kooks went postal and ran their car into a crowd. I mean the entire confrontation. You choose to accept and foment the false narrative following the event which, IMHO, makes you just as bad
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 6:19pm
I accept your condemnation with pleasure.

The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 1, 2018 - 6:34pm
Well at least you own it
FacePalm Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:09pm
TBH-
WWG1WGA.
 
No clue, so i websearched it.  W.here W.e G.o O.ne W.e G.o A.ll, eh?  Clever; you not only made your point succinctly, but i intuit also made oblique reference to my comment about desisting from the use of acronyms at Ken's request.
 
But in reality, there is rarely unanimity of opinion, as you're surely aware.  My dear ol' departed dad would often say "It's much easier to organize people AGAINST something than FOR something," but given enough persuasiveness - and agreed-upon definitions - even the latter is capable of being accomplished.
 
Flying J-
The Trayvon Martin case - while i don't wish to derail the thread - was about the right to self-defense, no matter how much media spin was used to make it about "racism" - i daresay that the effectiveness of media propaganda can be seen in the idea that most people today believe George Zimmerman to be white.
 
This'll be the THIRD time i've tried to make this post; somehow, i keep hitting the wrong key and going back to the WB homepage, thus losing everything; my original reply contained a link to an article written by a black man which told the story - and the timeline - quite well.
 
Best i recall, the short story went: Zimmerman had observed Martin acting strangely; when the latter ran off after a period of time, he chased after him, but only to locate the intersection so he could make an accurate location report to police.  Martin had apparently gone home, as phone records from the call with his gf confirmed, later.  When Zimmerman left the street intersection, headed for his car, Martin appeared, standing between Z and his car, said something along the lines of "What's your problem, man?", then attacked, knocking Zimmerman to the ground, and (according to an eyewitness) "began to beat him like an MMA fighter."  Martin then noticed Zimmerman's firearm, and tried to take it, whereupon Zimmerman - trapped as he was beneath his assailant - wrestled the gun away and fired a single shot, striking Martin in the chest.
 
Zimmerman was acquitted by a jury, who saw the facts clearly, and didn't allow media hype and spin to affect their judgment(for just ONE example, Martin was often portrayed as much younger, 13 or so, when his ACTUAL age was 17 at the time).  Zimmerman was never sued, as far as i can tell; the HOA which'd hired him was sued, and they settled for an amount estimated to be nxs of a million.
 
Zimmerman is Hispanic.  This situation was NEVER about racism in any way.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:21pm
Oh Yeah, and Michael Brown in Ferguson.....he proved to be a real boy scout too, didn't he? Where they bussed in the rent a mob. Don't gag on your bib FJ.....it's not some nut job ERW conspiracy. There are volumes of video and audio evidence and even the police reports of those few that were arrested and booked ( a matter of public record ) were shown to not even be from Ferguson or anywhere near. Never let a good tragedy go to waste. Open your eyes, man! These people are ghouls!
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:49pm

i prefer "buttress" to "enforce."  That's what gov't agents do. 
Sorry you don't care for my style of using the opinions of others to support my own
 
Buttress is probably a better description, and I was just pointing out you didn't really ever say what your own were other than through the words of others.  Was only suggesting more clarity.  I didn't dispute anything because I didn't disagree, I was simply stating I would like to here more of your original thoughts buttressed by the quotes of others.  I think it would make for cleaner reading is all.
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 8:56pm
FJ - Treyvon was killed by an hispanic. I am not sure what the relevance is.  And no I don't support Black Lies Matters at all.  The entire movement was started based on a lie, has been funded by George Soros Open Society and other of his groups and is nothing but anarchist/black supremacist movement.  If they really thought black lives mattered, why aren't they protesting the south side of chicago or other areas?  Why aren't they educating the communities on the 95% of black murder victims that are black on black based?
 
Burg - absolutely right.  Affirmative action had value at one time, it does not today.  Today it is simply the "soft bigotry of low expectations".  I can't find the statistic now, but I saw a few months ago that well over 90% of black law students that graduate graduate in the bottom quartile of their classes.
 
Eric - You absolutely nailed it .
 
FP - identity politics is all the democrats have because they can't sell their ideology.  It is change the demographics and pit groups against each other.  It is a very destructive attack on the very freedom and individual liberty we were founded upon.
Women are Inferior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 9:19pm
I cannot improve upon or augment TBH's comments in any way, shape, or form!
Ken Added Dec 1, 2018 - 9:37pm
MT - I believe the failure to posts are because someone else has posted something while you were idle, but I do the same thing.
 
Along the same line as your advice, when you post links, click the chain link at the top of the chat box next to the bold/italic/underline and that will embed the link and make it clickable
Ryan Messano Added Dec 1, 2018 - 10:46pm
Great article, and the usual nonsense from the lefties, accompanied by penetrating analysis from conservatives. 
 
The most racist organization in America is the Congressional Black Caucus, in my opinion.  They shriek racism the loudest, yet exhibit racism the most.  Think about it, if whites formed a group and only allowed whites in, that would be pretty racist, wouldn’t it, but isn’t that exactly what the CBC and various other minority organizations do?
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2018 - 11:30pm
The proposed litmus test was whether or not a person believed that the Martin killing was justified.  Then they might have had less sympathy for the BLM movement and more sympathy for the Unite the Right.  Or vice versa.
 
But pretty much everybody here with one notable exception has bought into the FOX News version.  I have never seen it myself.  That's the last place I would go to for news.  But I have talked to the guys that buy into the narrative that the White Supremacists were just expressing their first amendment rights while the wicked Antifa and BLM counter protestors plotted violence against them.  The full version is, of course, that the Charlottesville Police Department was complicit and deliberately herded the innocent Nazis and KKK into dangerous areas of the city where they were ambushed by counter protestors.  That's the cuckoo clock narrative.
 
I'm not going to change anybody's mind.  That's not what I am about.  But I will do a post on Charlottesville early next year.  Thanks for listening.
Ken Added Dec 2, 2018 - 12:16am
FJ -
 
a) what is the fox news version?
b) what is incorrect about the fox news version?
c) what version is the correct version if the fox news version isn't?
 
I am so glad you know ALL the facts about what happened in Charlottesville.  I am amazed that out in San Diego, you were witness to exactly what happened, saw all the evidence of who was involved and what was said and what happened.  I don't know why you don't receive superhero status and become the bastion of law in the US for your insight into this incident that you were right in the middle of and have intimate knowledge of exactly what happened!
 
I look forward to your insights early next year because of your intimate knowledge of the incident that you saw on apparently every liberal news network - since you reject anything fox news said.
 
It should be incredibly enlightening to us!
 
(and Autumn, if you had different fonts in posting, this entire post would use the sarcasm font)
 
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2018 - 9:30am
Ken - The whole definition of what 'Race' is comes into question. That is the problem in the deep South and South Africa when they tried their policies of segregation and apartheid. It is not possible to put people into races.
I would extend the definition of racism or replace it with another word. Any hate, prejudice or intolerance displayed by one group of people to another should be covered by that term.
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2018 - 9:58am
Ken..I have a question. How many races of human do we have? Do we determine this by genetics and lineage, biology, cultures, geography and traits from that.  Do we go to human race as one thing and then go to subspecies?  Im taking these questions right from a national institute of health.gov study on the topic
Being careful about how race is labeled is important, because it is NOT a label. We are all the same.
Also what is white is Brazil, is considered black in US.  So how do we categorize these species of people? By US standards or World standards?  Strait from the study.
Racism is a WORD..its a terrible word. It has nothing to do with PEOPLE except the ones who hate or fear other people for their differences.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 2, 2018 - 10:41am
Jeanne
 
Bravo, as we say :-)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 2, 2018 - 10:43am
BTW: That's exactly what I experienced. In Africa, my daughter is considered white, and in Switzerland she's considered....well....mixed. We don't call mixed people black or white but....mixed.
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2018 - 11:16am
SEF..back atcha
Jeff Michka Added Dec 2, 2018 - 2:13pm
Well, this one got WB rightists that love the taste of racism, and the power to impose "white superiority" at gun point (Trevon Martin)"Get outta this white area, nigger." to surface.  Do rightists like being called racists, probably not, and the easy solution for them  is to quit being racists.  But folks like Kenny, and his buddy, Lindsay have gone on and on about how colored folk are "mentally inferior."  Perhaps to prove they aren't racist pigs, they'll tell us again. 
Doug Plumb Added Dec 2, 2018 - 5:02pm
re "By my definition of the term the people behind BLM or any other "our peeps only" group is a racist. They are dividers because as long as they keep us divided they can just go right on railroading citizens at will. "
 
I cant figure out why this isn't obvious to everyone.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 2, 2018 - 6:19pm
You don't "speak for America," Mogg the Turd, you speak for Mogg the Turd.   You may be an American, Mogg the Turd, but you aren't "America" and have nothing to do with my America or others I know.  I don't know for sure you are a racist pig, but I suspect you are.  Those inferior colored people and all...better go off and check your "articles," you need to delete some more, I suspect.
Ken Added Dec 3, 2018 - 2:32am
Ken..I have a question. How many races of human do we have? Do we determine this by genetics and lineage, biology, cultures, geography and traits from that.  Do we go to human race as one thing and then go to subspecies?  Im taking these questions right from a national institute of health.gov study on the topic
Being careful about how race is labeled is important, because it is NOT a label. We are all the same.
 
Apparently nowadays, it is simply a person's melanin content.  And according to democrats, everyone with a particular melanin content MUST think the same way.  They don't believe in individuality, and break everyone into groups.

Also what is white is Brazil, is considered black in US.  So how do we categorize these species of people? By US standards or World standards?  Strait from the study.
Racism is a WORD..its a terrible word. It has nothing to do with PEOPLE except the ones who hate or fear other people for their differences.
 
I would argue that racism USED TO BE a terrible word. Thanks to politics, it has been watered down so much, that it has become meaningless.
Ken Added Dec 3, 2018 - 2:35am
Well, this one got WB rightists that love the taste of racism, and the power to impose "white superiority" at gun point (Trevon Martin)
 
Yo moron, not all rightists/conservatives are white, and Trevon was killed by a hispanic in Zimmerman.
Ken Added Dec 3, 2018 - 2:39am
But folks like Kenny, and his buddy, Lindsay have gone on and on about how colored folk are "mentally inferior." 
 
Show me a single instance where I have EVER said anyone was mentally inferior?  just one?  You can't because I have NEVER said that.  This is the reason why I delete most of the crap you post on my threads.  You simply lie and never show proof - in the few occasions where you aren't completely crude and condescending.  If you continue lying without backup corroboration, I will extend my ban on your posts on my threads to also include any argument you make without posting any empirical evidence to back up what you say.
Sunshine Kid Added Dec 3, 2018 - 7:59am
Ken, some very good points in your article.  Also, your answer to Flying Junior was right on point.  There is no such thing as "white privilege".  If there were, white people wouldn't lose jobs to others with far less credentials, nor be excluded from venues that are only open to certain races/multi-sexists, etc.  In fact, where is ONE venue that is strictly held for the whites?  It can't be bakeries, restaurants, clubs, businesses, schools nor government positions.

JC Teecher, I hope to cover that in my next article about hate speech.

Gerrilea - NAILED IT!

John Minehan, I know exactly what you are saying.  When I was in Alabama with my wife, my parents told me that I was being looked at askance and asked me how I felt about it.  I told them that if they don't like it, get their own spouses.  Mine's not up for grabs.

Mogg Tsur, you could try https://www.thefreedictionary.com/racism - it goes into pretty extensive variations, and has other dictionaries/thesaurus, etc. tied in.

TBH, that was perfect, when you said "my sympathies lie with all peoples who are shit on by the law, regardless of their skin color."  Most racists are those who fail to include all races, but focus on only one or two at a time.

FacePalm, you might try using the no slang dictionary:  https://www.noslang.com

Ryan Messano, you are so correct!

wsucram15 - perfect.  Racism is a word, and a very misued one at that.

Jeff Michka, did you miss the point that Zimmerman was NOT white, but Hispanic?  By the way, calling people profane names is hate speech, and you evidently like to be hateful.
Dino Manalis Added Dec 3, 2018 - 8:31am
 Stop the racism, we're all human beings!
Sunshine Kid Added Dec 3, 2018 - 9:55am
Dino, I agree!
Ken Added Dec 3, 2018 - 4:05pm
It is interesting that the common theme of those on the left that have responded here keep veering to  "the dictionary definition is not enough".
 
Funny how the left constantly has to change the definitions of words to suit their ideological needs.  This is known as "moving the goalposts".  This is how they define words as "triggers" or a word or a phrase suddenly is "off limits" because it no longer means what you think it means.
 
By controlling the language (thereby eliminating free speech), they control the narrative and you cannot say anything that doesn't conform with their point of view without being ostracized for your hateful rhetoric.
Ken Added Dec 3, 2018 - 4:08pm
Sunshine - yes, much of what Micshka says is hateful and obscene, and why sometimes I remove his more vapid comments from my threads.  However, as far as public discourse goes and the government, that is the very speech that must be most protected.
 
In America, one doesn't have the right to not be offended.  It isn't speech that you agree with that needs to be protected, it is that which you most vehemently disagree with that must.
Frosty Wooldridge Added Dec 3, 2018 - 10:19pm
Racism is simply the biological manifestation of one tribe of humans not wanting to mix with another tribe. It's as old as humanity and it will never change.  Races don't like one another.  It's that simple and that eternal.
 
Ken Added Dec 4, 2018 - 2:24am
Frosty - the fact that we are even being divided into "Tribes" is a leftist idea.  America is founded on the individual.  Can Man rule himself?  The answer is emphatically yes.  We don't need sovereigns or emperors to make our decisions for us.  We don't need elitists and academia to say "we know better" - when most of them don't.  Putting us in "tribes" is sad.  Especially when we are all about the individual.  We may relate to one person or group of people more than to others, but all of this "tribal" talk is more leftist grouping people into class collectives.
Sunshine Kid Added Dec 4, 2018 - 10:27am
Ken, perfectly stated.  But it certainly doesn't hurt to point out the most abusive offenders in order to get them to see the error of their efforts to join in with honest debate, does it?

Frosty Wooldridge, I will disagree.  As a child, I was not aware of racism; it was taught to me by others.  But I learned to throw off what I was taught, and I, a Caucasian, am now married to a beautiful, kind and loving "non-white".  I do not state her race, because as far as I am concerned, that part of her is totally unimportant.  Likewise, she never uses my race in any conversation, simply because my race is not who I am.  I have gone to school with mixed races; I have worked side by side with many races, and the only ones I did not like were the ones who were hateful and showed it, and that did not matter what race they were.  And you can see that plainly on threads like this one:  Some debate honestly; others debate by pure emotion, and that is usually anger and hatred that is shown.

However, that said, I have no problem with segregation for certain things, such as culture, art and where hatred between races cannot reasonably be controlled.  But I am likewise against force integration, where one race gets a job or position without regard to his or her ability to perform.  If you lower the bar far enough, you will be at the bottom of the sewer, right?

Well said, Ken!