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It's not often that we Texans (or anybody for that matter) can say, “good for the French” for throwing a hissy fit.  And throwing a hissy fit they are. 

 

So, why?  Why the protests?

 

Some would have you believe that the cost of energy/petrol is the reason (but that would be misdirection).  The price of oil is low ($50-$60 dollars a barrel) ... as is natural gas and other major sources of energy.  So, no... that's not the problem.

 

The problem is the artificial cost of energy.  The artificial cost of energy brought on my leftist government addressing two "problems";  1) climate change and 2) revenue generation.  President Emmanuel Macron simply decided to implement a carbon tax to simultaneously address those two purposes.  

 

 

What Macron didn't count on was the sheeple to react the way they did.  And why would he, overall France has always swallowed massive abuse in the name of leftist dogma (unions, work ethic, climate change, big government…)

 

Though the protests have expanded, the back breaking straw that instigated all of this was the cost of gasoline.  Gasoline in France (and most of Europe) is about $6.00 a gallon (in US terms).  In comparison, in the US, gas is about $2.50 a gallon.  Understand that approximately 75% of that cost (in France) is... taxes, vs 20% in the US.  What does this mean?  It means (as with all leftist pipe dreams), the guy to bear the brunt/expense of globalism and climate change is by design, the working man... the non-urban.  Call them, if you will, Les Déplorables. 

 

One would think such government abuse of its citizens is evident to all; but make no mistake about it this is by design... and global.  When UN climate chief Patricia Espinosa says, "We require deep transformations of our economies and societies", THIS is what she means; this and much, much more.

 

For Americans, we should also understand that progressive, environmental politicians here see the US as on the "wrong side of history" on this issue; not France, not Europe.  The problem isn't Macron; it isn’t punitive carbon taxes; it isn’t the smug, condescending environmental elites; it isn’t that France (and Europe, and others) are overbearing, abusive and contemptuous of a large portion of its citizenry.  No, the problem is that the US is not following suit.  To their eternal frustration, they know that US citizens wouldn't put up with this crap, and any attempt would further erode their climate change cause.

 

But, back to the original point. 

 

I say, “Good for the French people”!  Good for them for waking up and noticing their chains.  Now if they can just summon the common sense and inclination to shed them; along with the socialist current that has, for way too long, flowed through European society. 

 

Can we hope "Frexit" isn't out of the question?  There's nothing like a climate change inspired boot on your neck to inspire such courage and momentum.

Comments

TexasLynn Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:18pm
I will note it is unfortunate that many within the "gilets jaunes" (yellow vests) movement have mirrored the fascist tactics of AntiFa (as in masked, violent and destructive), but at least their protests are grounded in legitimate grievance.
TexasLynn Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:19pm
One might ask, why don't these French just implement more solar panels and windmills.  Why don't they just switch to electric vehicles?  All, I've heard for years now is how much more efficient this green technology is and how it's going to, not just supplement, but replace all that evil fossil fuel.
 
Of course, the answer is... green efficiency (like most leftist arguments) has the squishy foundation of bullshit.  That foundation is why this movement depends on government fiat rather than market forces.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:20pm
Good for them, indeed, completely agree, Lynn.  Man Made climate change is a gigantic hoax by the elite to enslave the masses.  We are constantly told we aren't smart enough to understand it, yet it's a total myth.  Like the Emperor's New Cloths, the French have had enough, and are saying, 'But he hasn't any cloths on'!!!
Leroy Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:47pm
Excellent article, Lynn.  Let's hope that it spreads into the rest of Europe.  The heads of state have had a bad time of it lately.  Macron seems to be on the way out.  Merkel has one foot out the door.  The elites are on the run.  I wouldn't count them out, but they are backing up at the moment.  I understand that the French will have a six-month reprieve.  We'll see if it magically disappears.  The masses won't forget.  They'll just be better prepared next time.  
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:48pm
Too late.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:49pm
....but: Our luxury lifestyle was and is provided by their poverty. So.....
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 4, 2018 - 10:09pm
One might ask, 
 
....why don't DUHmericans have the balls the French have?
 
Firemen, ambulance drivers and eve police support the protests and protesters. 
 
Guaranteed to never be seen in the land of the formerly free.
 
TexasLynn Added Dec 4, 2018 - 11:27pm
Ryan >> Man Made climate change is a gigantic hoax by the elite to enslave the masses.
 
I do question the "settled" science.  This movement moved well beyond objective science and into politics, money, and even pagan religion a long time ago.  The reason they can't make any headway (beyond the faithful and elites) is that the duplicity is so obvious.
 
Ryan >> We are constantly told we aren't smart enough to understand it...
 
Just part of the attempt to demean the opposition.  It's a standard propaganda ploy when you don't have the facts or the science to back you up.  You're "stupid", you're a "denier", you believe in a "flat earth".  When an "educated" man resorts to this crap, he has already lost the debate.
 
Ryan >> Like the Emperor's New Cloths, the French have had enough, and are saying, 'But he hasn't any cloths on'!!!
 
We'll see.  Right now, they are just pissed that they are paying for the clothes he doesn't have on.  We'll see if they can admit the clothes don't even exist.
 
Good comment, thanks...
TexasLynn Added Dec 4, 2018 - 11:27pm
Leroy >> Let's hope that it spreads into the rest of Europe.
 
Let's hope.  First, I'd like to see a little more bullshit called in France itself.  Right now, they're pissed that the bulk of the pain falls on them.  That's totally different from realizing the reason for the pain is ulterior motives.  And still another step to say... enough of this crap.
 
Leroy >> The heads of state have had a bad time of it lately. 
 
Amen.  I always love to see Karma bite the behind of those so deserving.  She chews on mine often enough.
 
Leroy >> Macron seems to be on the way out.  Merkel has one foot out the door.  The elites are on the run.  I wouldn't count them out, but they are backing up at the moment.
 
Backing up just shows they're smart when they have overplayed their hand.  What you really want is for them to be stupid enough to keep going, like the left here the US did, resulting in our current Commander in Chief, and seem intent on repeating… :)
 
Unfortunately, there's a dozen more (like Macron and Merkel) where they came from just waiting in the wings.
 
Leroy >> I understand that the French will have a six-month reprieve.  We'll see if it magically disappears.
 
That’s my understanding too.  Macron is saying "nice doggy" while he feels around for a rock.  We'll see.  The dogs would be smart to rip him a new one while they have a chance. :)
 
Leroy >> The masses won't forget.  They'll just be better prepared next time.
 
"Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the songs of angry men?
It is the music of the people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!"
-- Lyrics from "Do You Hear the People Sing?", Les Misérables
TexasLynn Added Dec 4, 2018 - 11:28pm
Stone >> Too late..... but: Our luxury lifestyle was and is provided by their poverty. So.....
 
I'm not quite following you Stone.  Are you saying the cause of the common citizen (France and elsewhere) is hopeless?  I tend to agree that the odds are against us; but I've always been a sucker for underdogs and lost causes.
TexasLynn Added Dec 4, 2018 - 11:28pm
Jeffrey G >> One might ask, ....why don't DUHmericans have the balls the French have?
 
One might indeed.  I can't argue that we (Americans) have been dulled to the corruption and graft (the likes of Solyndra, pay to play, bailouts, the Clinton Foundation, picking winners and losers).  There is no excuse.  BUT I do submit that as for as the government theft and abuse; we're not quite as far along as the French (even as bad as things are).
 
Tax gas/petrol up to $6.00 a gallon and I would be you'd see something.
 
Jeffrey G >> Firemen, ambulance drivers and eve[n] police support the protests and protesters.
 
I am curious as to how you come to that conclusion.  That was an honest/sincere inquiry.
 
There seems to be a bit too much tear gas, and a few too many water cannons for me to come to that conclusion.  I note in a lot of pictures I see of the protesters, they come prepared with goggles and gas masks.  They know what's coming.
 
Jeffrey G >> Guaranteed to never be seen in the land of the formerly free.
 
I understand you have animus towards "DUHmerica".  OK.  I won't claim we're perfect (far from it), but we are freer than most; and we've done a hell of a lot more good... than bad.  WWII alone tips those scales well into the positive; not that I would diminish the worlds dept to England in that regard.
 
Do we still have the character and fortitude of the "greatest generation"?  Probably not.  But if we don't, nobody does.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:33am
I am curious as to how you come to that conclusion. That was an honest/sincere inquiry.
 
What? You mean to tell me you're not getting the whole story in the land of the formerly free? 
 
I'm shocked, shocked I say! 
 
The president of the police union said in an interview that they are on the side of the protesters. There's video of the cops removing their riot helmets and refusing to engage the protesters. Photos of ambulances blocking roundabouts, Firemen just standing and watching. 
 
Protesters in France chanting "We want Trump". 
 
Globalism is being rejected by thinking people everywhere. 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:42am
but we are freer than most
 
I live in under a military coup and martial law and I guarandamntee you I'm several magnitudes freezer than you are. 
 
 
and we've done a hell of a lot more good... than bad.
 
Wrong. But keep telling yourself that if it floats your boat. 
 
 
WWII alone tips those scales well into the positive
 
As my bosses always said "but what have you done for me lately?"
 
 
Look, despite calling for DUHmerica to be broken up and Texas succession, you feel compelled to cheerlead DUHmerican exceptionalism. 
 
I get it. 
 
So here we go!
 
All together now!
 
Rah rah rah sis boom bah go team go we're number one USA USA USA BLAH Blah blah. 
Ken Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:01am
Interesting how media are all reporting the gas tax riots, but not pointing out that the entire tax was put in by Macron as a ploy against Global Warming, huh?  Can't stop that narrative of the left!
FacePalm Added Dec 5, 2018 - 6:57am
Nothing wrong with hoping, Tex.  And what my main hope is that the protesters succeed to the point where the Arch of Triumph can actually be USED. 
 
Macron is a Rothschild puppet, and this puppet has been trained to obey the unelected bureaucrats of the EU, not be loyal in any sense to France.
 
A recent report i saw says that Macron's "approval rating" is 23% and dropping, the lowest of any leader of any country in Europe since such ratings were kept - and he fully deserves it.
 
Do you recall him saying that nationalism is NOT patriotism?
 
He's a good-looking idiot, a sycophant and toadie for the NWO, and THAT is what i hope the French are beginning to realize, as well as their mistake in not going full-bore for Marine Le Pen.
 
Just curious; anyone know if the French Constitution has anything similar to either impeachment or a vote of no confidence to get rid of unworthy/corrupt/traitorous officials?
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 5, 2018 - 7:50am
Emperor Nero once declared, "Let us tax and tax again. Let us see to it that no one owns anything!" 
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:31am
Hockey stick temperature rise is the prediction of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).  The temperature is decreasing on average from A.D. 1,000 to about 1915, and then starts a sharp rise, Hockey Stick.  I and others have pointed out warmings and coolings.  To that they said, “Evidence does not support the existence of globally synchronous periods of cooling or warming associated with the ‘Little Ice Age’ and ‘Medieval Warm Period’.”  The width of tree rings is the principal data used.
 
Settling Ice Land, Green Land and Vikings fishing off he North American Continent occurred during the 'Medieval Warming', however; tree rings said it was tiny or non-existent.  Today the 'Little Ice Age' is associated with three volcano eruptions close together, two have been identified the thirds location is still not known but ice core data indicates its existence.  
 
The creditably of the Hockey Stick as expected is being questioned, the accuracy of tree rings that also reflect more then temperature.  "Jan Esper of Johannes Gutenberg University, in Germany, and colleagues from Germany, Switzerland, Finland, and Scotland, used X rays to measure changes in the cell-wall density of trees in Northern Finland over the past 2,000 years. The analysis examined both “living and subfossil pine (Pinus sylvestris) trees from 14 lakes and 3 lakeshore sites.” 
 
Tree ring measurements "found a, “divergence,” starting in 1960, between a decline in Northern Hemisphere temperatures, as reconstructed from tree ring data, and the increase in Northern Hemisphere temperatures, as measured by thermometers and other heat sensing instruments."  The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) egnored the 'divergence,' to product their goal, global warming, Hockey Stick.
 
Johannes Gutenberg Univ. Jan Esper said, "Their reconstruction “shows a succession of warm and cold episodes including peak warmth during Roman and Medieval times alternating with severe cool conditions centered in the fourth and fourteenth centuries.” The warmest 30-year period was A.D. 21-50, which was 1.05°C warmer than the mean temperature for 1951-1980 and ~0.5°C warmer than the region’s maximum 20th century warmth, which occurred during 1921-1950.  The reconstruction also “reveals a long-term cooling trend of -0.31°C per 1,000 years (±0:03°C) over the 138 B.C.-A.D. 1900 period . . .” This trend is not reflected in tree ring width data from “the same temperature-sensitive trees.” Thus, reliance on such data (as in the hockey stick reconstruction) “probably causes an underestimation of historic temperatures.”  Ref: http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/07/26/is-todays-climate-warmer-than-the-medieval-and-roman-warm-periods/
 
  
George N Romey Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:33am
When the cops lie down their guns and join the people the .01% and their political shrills start feeling the heat.  Of course they just need to "Obama" the protesters like the US did with the OWS movement.
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:38am
This is another crack in the 'Hockey Stick.'  Ref: http://notrickszone.com/2014/10/30/more-glacier-studies-confirm-roman-and-medieval-warm-periods-were-just-as-warm-as-today/
 
In the Quaternary Science Reviews appeared a paper authored by a team led by Anaëlle Simonneau of the French University Orléans, which reconstructed the glacier movements in the French Alps over the last thousands of years. Here the scientists documented several glacier melt phases, which unsurprisingly included the Roman and Medieval warm periods. What follows is an excerpt from the abstract:

"Holocene palaeoenvironmental evolution and glacial fluctuations at high-altitude in the western French Alps are reconstructed based on a multiproxy approach within Lake Blanc Huez (2550 m a.s.l.) drainage basin.  […] periods of reduced glacial activities dated from the Early Bronze Age (ca 3870–3770 cal BP), the Iron Age (ca 2220–2150 cal BP), the Roman period (ca AD115–330) and the Medieval Warm Period (ca AD760–1160).”
Dino Manalis Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:44am
 Nobody likes paying high taxes for anything!
Leroy Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:58am
"The problem is the artificial cost of energy.  The artificial cost of energy brought on my leftist government addressing two "problems";  1) climate change and 2) revenue generation."
 
It was originally rammed down the throats of the little The guy to combat fossil fuel use.  I read today where Macron is threating cuts in other programs.  He wants to force the people to choose between the UN agenda and welfare.  It's a false choice.  I hope the French say, "Screw it!  We don't need the welfare state anymore."  You were right on.  The real intent is revenue generation.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:04am
Tex
 
Yep. That's what I mean. I mean we all have a comparable good life. I don't say that WE are directly responsible for the misery of the 3rd world. But it's up to US billions of consumers if we want to give them back what they deserve.
 
Whether they are black, yellow or any color, and any religion. They are humans like us....
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:08am
Dino
 
No taxes, no infrastructure. If you can get the Privates to put common good before individual profit, tell me your agenda...
Leroy Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:15am
Stoney, had we left them alone, they would be living in abject poverty.  Maybe they don't enjoy the standard of living that we do, but, they are better off than they were.  Poverty around the world has plummeted.  We don't owe them anything.  If they want to hop on board, they are welcomed anytime.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:45am
Yes it is laughable when I hear Europeans blaming the high price of gasoline on the oil companies.  Most people, even in the US, dont realize how much of that price is tax. 
Mustafa Kemal Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:28am
This is not about gas. Evidently, the French are waking up the fact that they have been lied to, for a long time and their elites are destroying them.
 
Alain Soral, Mirion Sigaut have opened their eyes.
This is not Antifa
 
It will be interesting to see when US wakes up.
 
Mustafa
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:29am
Leroy
 
What is poverty ?
 
1. When you have a piece of land and a mud house but you don't pay rent or tax because you OWN it to 100%, you live partly off it and as a surplus you work in town now and then and sell your agrarian surplus or
 
2. You live in a rented apartment or house on mortgages you have to pay on time and buy all your needs in the supermarket ?
 
At first sight you see pics of the first and think this is poverty. No dishwasher. No washing machine. No WIFI.
 
And laughing people and children.
 
Poverty ?
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:36am
BTW: I think there is mental poverty in our societies. I learned in my 25 years in Africa: Not what you have or had will be remembered but what you WERE.
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:01am
Tex - you are of course wrong on a number of issues.
Firstly - Macron is a Centralist not a Leftist. He formed a new party that tried to appeal to both sides of the divide - now both sides despise him. His policies are far from socialist.
Secondly - alternative energy now provides 50% of the UK energy needs and growing because it has become cheap and efficient.
Thirdly - violence is never justifiable (just because you hypocritically now agree with the cause).
Liberal1 Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:02am
I am no fan of the Surrender Monkeys, but I agree that they are on the right track.
 
There are few things I hate more than "social management by tax".  Repressive taxation on things like alcohol, cigarettes and now gasoline, solely to make people not use them, is pretty unAmerican, IMO.   I don't agree with the right or the Libertards much, but I do on things like trying to control people's choices via oppressive taxation.
Leroy Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:07am
Well, Stoney, I guess that they are living better than us and don't need our money.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:11am
Good comments all, thank you…
 
Jeffry G >> What? You mean to tell me you're not getting the whole story in the land of the formerly free?  I'm shocked, shocked I say!...
 
Granted, I depend on news sources (like everybody else), but I try to get my information from a variety of sources.
 
While there are those public servants in support, there are also those who toe the line.  Like I said, I see way too much tear gas and water cannons to agree completely with that statement.
 
If one cop takes off his helmet in support while another lights me up, how "supported" am I.  When all cops stop (due to support and pressure from peers), then I'll agree.
 
I've heard that during Tiananmen Square the local cops and military wouldn't act against the students.  So, the government brought in guys from a neighboring state (probably handing them a load of bull in transit).  We saw the end result of that.  I'm sure all the dead and imprisoned appreciated all that local support.
 
Jeffry G >> Globalism is being rejected by thinking people everywhere.
 
That is my hope and it seems to be yours so... common ground.
 
I've always been the skeptic, though.  The process needs to proceed a little further before I declare this a life/world changing success.
 
There still the picky issue of shedding the chains of the welfare state.
 
Jeffry G >> I live in under a military coup and martial law and I guarandamntee you I'm several magnitudes freezer than you are.
 
And I hope they let you keep it.
 
Jeffry G >> As my bosses always said "but what have you done for me lately?"
 
Yeah... I see what you mean.  Generations of not speaking German or Japanese just doesn't cut in anymore.
 
But, as I implied in my response... even I doubt we still have the character of the "greatest generation".
 
Jeffry G >> Look, despite calling for DUHmerica to be broken up and Texas succession...
 
Now you're just parroting Jeff Michka. Not a good place to be in my opinion.
 
As anyone who has read my post on that subject would know; I support the succession of any state that wants to leave the Union.  I believe there needs to be a break from the coasts because they are destroying the founding principles of the Republic.  Succession is a means to preserve what makes America the greatest nation on Earth.
 
Jeffry G >> ...you feel compelled to cheerlead DUHmerican exceptionalism.
 
Because we ARE exceptional.  Capitalism (much of it through the United States) has produced more freedom and prosperity across the globe than any other system in history.
 
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:11am
Ken >> Interesting how media are all reporting the gas tax riots, but not pointing out that the entire tax was put in by Macron as a ploy against Global Warming, huh?  Can't stop that narrative of the left!
 
Exactly... there is a campaign of disinformation from the leftist media (which makes up 90+ percent of all news).  Much of the problem is in what they choose NOT to report, choose NOT to even mention.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:11am
FacePalm >> Macron is a Rothschild puppet, and this puppet has been trained to obey the unelected bureaucrats of the EU, not be loyal in any sense to France.
 
That is the problem with a lot of what (globalist) push on us... one world government.  The "rulers" are no longer beholden to the people, but to the system.  It's a path to tyranny.
 
FacePalm >> Do you recall him saying that nationalism is NOT patriotism?
 
Yes... because national pride and loyalty are antithetical to the NWO agenda.
 
FacePalm >> He's a good-looking idiot, a sycophant and toadie for the NWO...
 
As was Obama.  Not necessarily an idiot (as in book smarts), but at least lacking in all common sense.
 
We've got another one on the horizon... BETO.  He has the main characteristic that Obama and Marcon have… he’s pretty.
 
FacePalm >> ...and THAT is what i hope the French are beginning to realize, as well as their mistake in not going full-bore for Marine Le Pen.
 
We need the whole world to realize what's going on.  All it takes is one match... one fire.  If that’s France, good for them.
 
FacePalm >> Just curious; anyone know if the French Constitution has anything similar to either impeachment or a vote of no confidence to get rid of unworthy/corrupt/traitorous officials?
 
Hmmmm... good question.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:11am
Thomas, Thanks for the information and links... you realize though that the "science" is "settled" so why are you bringing all this up?  To save the leftist some typing... You're "stupid", you're a "denier", you believe in a "flat earth"...
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:12am
George R >> When the cops lie down their guns and join the people the .01% and their political shrills start feeling the heat.
 
True dat.
 
George R >> Of course they just need to "Obama" the protesters like the US did with the OWS movement.
 
Meh... not sure what Obama did to the OWS.  As far as I can tell OWS is alive and well... they were anarchist.  Now they go by Antifa.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:12am
Dino >> Nobody likes paying high taxes for anything!
 
True Dino... but imagine paying high taxes for "nothing"; for a "sham"; for "smoke and mirrors"... wouldn't that be even worse.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:12am
Leroy >> It was originally rammed down the throats of the little guy to combat fossil fuel use. 
 
Right... exactly what the left would like to do over here.  Those who do not toe the green line need to be punished.  That’s us.  That’s the working Joe.  Les Deplorables…
 
Leroy >> I read today where Macron is threating cuts in other programs... I hope the French say, "Screw it!  We don't need the welfare state anymore."
 
As long as such a welfare state exists, freedom and real prosperity is not possible.
 
Leroy >> You were right on.  The real intent is revenue generation.
 
It always is.  It was Thomas Pain (I think) who pointed out 200+ years ago that the British government and monarchy was abusive and tyrannical BECAUSE they were flush with cash from taxes.  He surmised if you limited government and starved them for excess money they could not be so overbearing.  What was true then, is true now.  Limited government is key to freedom and prosperity.
 
The French, the world, even the US needs to relearn that.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:12am
Stone >> No taxes, no infrastructure.
 
Again the problem isn't taxes... it's taxes above and beyond the basic functions of government.  We anti-tax people aren't against ALL taxes.  Just excessive taxes (like 75% of the total cost of petrol)... AND against taxes for bullshit agendas (global warming).
 
Stone >> If you can get the Privates to put common good before individual profit, tell me your agenda...
 
You don't even have to do that.  Just make sure there is a level/fair playing field and prevent abuse/monopoly.  The rest will work itself out.
 
Stone >> Yep. That's what I mean.
 
Glad I caught the gist.  And we agree that chances of change in that regard are slim.  But they always have been.  This is nothing new in human history.
 
Stone >> I mean we all have a comparable good life.
 
We do.  And I would like to maintain that for my posterity.  It's getting harder and harder.  The fact that the French are showing some signs of wanting that and are willing to fight for it is also good.  So, I hope...
 
Stone >> I don't say that WE are directly responsible for the misery of the 3rd world.
 
It goes both ways in my opinion.  We (the West and the US) have caused some problems out there, but we've also done some good.  I personally think our good outweighs our bad.
 
Stone >> But it's up to US billions of consumers if we want to give them back what they deserve.
 
See, I think we are caught in a Catch 22 here.  What are we supposed to do?  How are we going to "give them back what they deserve".  Many of the 3rd world nations are run by... 1% (generally socialist) dictators who have stolen the wealth of the nations/people; and will continue to steal anything and everything we "give back".
 
I just don't see the logic or benefit in doing that.  If we're really going to help... we have to remove those tyrants from power otherwise, NOTHING we do will really help.  And there is the Catch 22.
 
Stone >> Whether they are black, yellow or any color, and any religion. They are humans like us....
 
Amen.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:12am
Leroy >> Stoney, had we left them alone, they would be living in abject poverty. Maybe they don't enjoy the standard of living that we do, but, they are better off than they were.  Poverty around the world has plummeted.
 
Right on the money, Leroy.  We've helped more than we've hurt. 
 
Leroy >>   We don't owe them anything.  If they want to hop on board, they are welcomed anytime.
 
While we don't owe a debt, we should help those who want to help themselves.  Step one would be to remove the thieves and socialist (redundant) from power.  We (the US) can't do that; but we can encourage people to help themselves.
 
If you want to be successful, emulate the successful.  That goes for nations too.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:13am
Bill K >> Yes it is laughable when I hear Europeans blaming the high price of gasoline on the oil companies.  Most people, even in the US, dont realize how much of that price is tax.
 
Yes... it's part of the propaganda and campaign of misinformation.  Its laughable, but it also works to a large extent.
 
And it goes beyond that.  How many times have you heard about subsides for oil companies (in response to the massive subsidies for green energy)?  It's all made up and the "logic" used is that the left doesn't get to tax the oil companies as much as they would like... so the difference between what they pay and what the left wants... is a subsidy.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:27am
It is heartening to see that even the French are beginning to pull their heads out of their asses. It is no coincidence that the words feckless and french both begin with the letter F :)
George N Romey Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:34am
Well look at the ginned up “energy crisis” of 1974. That along with Watergate was the beginning of the end. Politicians do lie, and boldly we came to understand.
Leroy Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:37am
"Secondly - alternative energy now provides 50% of the UK energy needs and growing because it has become cheap and efficient."
 
That is a false statement.  Depending on your source, alternative energies MAY have peaked at 50% at a certain hour on a certain day, but it does not regularly supply 50%.  Alternatively, many sources included nuclear to achieve 50%.  Most people don't consider nuclear as a renewable.  I believe it should be; nevertheless, including nuclear gives a false impression.  It is somewhere in the 11 to 19% range without the nuclear option, and some of that comes from the overall reduction in the use of electricity.  I can only speculate that it is caused by higher energy rates. 
 
In short, I call BS.  
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:39am
Tex
 
Many of the 3rd world nations are run by... 1% (generally socialist) dictators who have stolen the wealth of the nations/people; and will continue to steal anything and everything we "give back".
 
The problem is that WE (the West) either let them get into power or influenced the situation to get them into power in full knowing that they will play our capitalist game, profit from it personally and secure geostrategic issues (Ukraine as latest example).
 
The ones who really wanted to be independent of the US/Global rule were heads of state that were killed or ousted, like Sankara, Saddam. Gadhafi, Nkrumah etc. Why ? Simply because they did not wanted to bow to Western hegemony.
 
It was never about religion or system of governance. It was about resources, People were TOLD bullshit. Ask criminals like Cheney of Halliburton or people like Kissinger or Brzezinski who officially admitted that the US has to rule THE PLANET.
 
WTF is this ? How can one nation of 300 million immigrants have the nerve to declare that they have the right to rule the whole planet of 8 billions without even asking them if they agree but bomb them if they're not in line ???
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 5, 2018 - 12:05pm
alternative energies MAY have peaked at 50% at a certain hour on a certain day, but it does not regularly supply 50%.
 
Excellent point, Leroy, and 100% accurate. There is no major energy supplier operating in North America or Europe today who can say that the energy supplied to a market during variable peaks is constantly in the same percentage from it's entire array of power sources. Major investor owned electric companies who are also power producers will utilize every source available to them at any given time, all driven by demand. The percentage in each category varies on a daily basis and will also hinge upon any state regulatory variable
 
and  for most all providers in this category their portfolio reflects what I have said is the sensible approach to all sources of energy: all of the above. This includes substantial investment in wind, solar and other marquee "green" energy sources. These are largely the result of subsidy from the federal DOE, directly or indirectly. Were these alternative sources fully viable and efficient to meet the demand they would have found their way into the power generation field without the federal assistance. In either case they currently represent an accurate percentage of power portfolios in correlation to their level of cost effectiveness
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 12:47pm
Allow me to clarify. It is my understanding that - UK renewable energy percentage 2018. There's good news for UK renewable energy percentage in 2018! Earlier this year, we reported how wind power generated 14 gigawatts of electricity for the first time, making up nearly 37% of the UK's energy needs.
With nuclear energy that is over 50% over the year.
On a particular day renewable were over 50% and with nuclear provided over 72% of our energy needs.
The prices of renewables are plummeting and the efficiency is improving greatly.
Steel Breeze Added Dec 5, 2018 - 12:47pm
it increasingly appears to me that the 'common' working man,worldwide, is finally tired of getting fucked over.......if so, its about fucking time...
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 12:56pm
Steel - I think we're all a bit pissed off about being fucked over by the elite group who are running things. But it is also apparent that many of the people who are most fucked off by it will defend to the death the capitalist system that creates the problem, have no objection to that elite receiving obscene salaries and bonuses, and object to them being taxed. 
There's an oxymoron in there - or is it just ironic.
I would suggest that if people aren't willing to deal with the situation then maybe they should not moan?
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:08pm
TBH >> It is heartening to see that even the French are beginning to pull their heads out of their asses. It is no coincidence that the words feckless and french both begin with the letter F :)
 
I can only imagine the fun we could have at the expense of the Frogs.  But I live by the creed to give credit when it is due... so here it is.
 
In the spirit of your comment, I was going to go to a Halloween costume party as a Democrat, but my head wouldn't fit up my ass... :P
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:09pm
Mustafa >> This is not about gas.
 
Yes... though I didn't expand on that enough... I did note "Though the protests have expanded, the back breaking straw that instigated all of this was the cost of gasoline."
 
I simply state that the price of gas was the catalyst... the beginning.
 
This had to expand if it was ever going to mean anything.
 
Mustafa >> Evidently, the French are waking up the fact that they have been lied to, for a long time and their elites are destroying them.
 
Hopefully.  I'm reserving judgment for the time being; but it's a step in the right direction.
 
Mustafa >> Alain Soral, Mirion Sigaut have opened their eyes. This is not Antifa
 
No... it is not.  My point was that unfortunately there were some Antifa tactics.  Rocks, masks, fire and destruction.  The cause of Green Vest is right and valid, that of AntiFa is not.
 
Mustafa >> It will be interesting to see when US wakes up.
 
Some of us are "woke" (to steal a phrase); others never will be.  It's all a matter of percentage... just like the American Revolution 200+ years ago.
 
Thanks for the comments.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:09pm
Stone >> I think there is mental poverty in our societies.
 
Yes... but how is that different from 10, 50, 100, 1000 years ago?  You're just describing the human condition.
 
Stone >> I learned in my 25 years in Africa: Not what you have or had will be remembered but what you WERE.
 
"All you touch, and all you see, is all your life will ever be...." -- Pink Floyd
 
James 4:13 Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.” 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. All such boasting is evil. 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.
 
Not everyday do you see a man reflect upon the wisdom of Pink Floyd and the Bible? :)
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:09pm
Opher >> Tex - you are of course wrong on a number of issues.
 
One of us is.
 
Opher >> Firstly - Macron is a Centralist not a Leftist. He formed a new party that tried to appeal to both sides of the divide - now both sides despise him. His policies are far from socialist.
 
By Opher standards, I'm sure that's true.  The man pushes high taxes for the multipurpose of raising revenue AND as a carbon tax on fossil fuel (to curb global warming).
 
THAT Opher is a leftist by any other name.
 
Opher >> Secondly - alternative energy now provides 50% of the UK energy needs and growing because it has become cheap and efficient.
 
Uh-huh... Leroy (and TBH) refutes this perfectly, so I'll defer to them.
 
Leroy >> In short, I call BS. (on efficiency and percentage of green energy).
 
Thank you (Leroy and TBH) for effectively refuting Opher; not that it will do much good on that side of the ideological spectrum.  For Opher, this is about Kool-Aid, not accuracy.
 
The scary thing is the left passes this wind, declare it smells like roses... AND... believes it with their heart and soul.  I can only imagine the mental gymnastics Opher goes through on a daily basis to hold together his belief system.
 
Opher >> The prices of renewables are plummeting and the efficiency is improving greatly.
 
If that were true, Opher, France (and everybody else) would be racing to renewables and all these protests wouldn't be happening.  If it were true, renewables wouldn't be completely dependent on subsidies to survive.  It's smoke and mirrors (just like your talking points).
 
Opher >> Thirdly - violence is never justifiable (just because you hypocritically now agree with the cause).
 
Opher... I thought you were a teacher.  Practice a little reading comprehension.
 
I stated that I do agree with their cause... BUT...
 
"I will note it is unfortunate that many within the "gilets jaunes" (yellow vests) movement have mirrored the fascist tactics of AntiFa..."
 
Unfortunate kinda implies the act is NOT right or justifiable.  Good causes (like this) should never emulate evil (like Antifa).
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:09pm
L1 >> I am no fan of the Surrender Monkeys, but I agree that they are on the right track.
 
Yeah... exactly... thus "It's not often that we Texans (or anybody for that matter) can say, "good for the French"...
 
L1 >> There are few things I hate more than "social management by tax".  Repressive taxation on things like alcohol, cigarettes and now gasoline, solely to make people not use them, is pretty unAmerican, IMO.
 
Glad to see some common ground.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:09pm
Stone >> The problem is that WE (the West) either let them get into power or influenced the situation to get them into power...
 
The US is not pure in this regard (along with others), but I think you exaggerate our volume and influence in this regard.  You also seem to exaggerate the benevolence of deposed dictators. "Simply because they did not wanted to bow to Western hegemony."
 
As far "letting" someone get into power, what do you suggest?  How should we stop that?  Rig the election against these "socialist"?  Just take 'em out?  How forgiving would you and the world be of such action?  I'm back to the Catch 22 scenario we find ourselves in.  We shouldn’t “let” it happen but we’re dammed if we do and dammed if we don’t.
 
Stone >> Ask criminals like Cheney of Halliburton or people like Kissinger or Brzezinski who officially admitted that the US has to rule THE PLANET.
 
Uh-hum... I know I'm going to regret this... but do you have an exact reference to them "admitting" the "US has to rule THE PLANET".  Maybe an interview, a secret memo/email (stating exactly that), or maybe it was in a corporate newletter?
 
Even if true (but I do call bullshit) ... Cheney and Kissinger (especially over time) does not the US make.
 
Stone >> How can one nation of 300 million immigrants have the nerve to declare that they have the right to rule the whole planet...
 
Yeah... I hated it when the Senate ratified that... our bad.  <eyes rolling>
Steel Breeze Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:24pm
nice reference from Floyd......my main source for the "meaning of life".....lol..
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:06pm
Opher >> Allow me to clarify.
 
LMAO... OK guys, keep you eye on the shell that has the ball under it.
 
Opher >> Earlier this year, we reported how wind power generated 14 gigawatts of electricity for the first time, making up nearly 37% of the UK's energy needs.
 
Was that just a peak on a particular day, consistent generation over a week, a month?  What does the stat really mean?
 
Opher >> With nuclear energy that is over 50% over the year.
 
Wow, one minute the ball is under a “particular day” now we’re talking about “over the year”.
 
Except that nuclear energy isn't "renewable energy" by antibody's standards.  You guys will adopt it to pad your stats but overall the left hates it almost as much as fossil fuels.
 
With the left's hatred of dams, you shouldn't even be allowed to claim hydroelectric.
 
Opher >> On a particular day renewable were over 50% and with nuclear provided over 72% of our energy needs.
 
This makes no sense.  Are you saying one day out of 365 this was achieved?  What are we supposed to do the other 364 days?
 
Opher >> The prices of renewables are plummeting and the efficiency is improving greatly.
 
Just another utopian fantasy (a shell game) of the left with no substance behind it.  And you know it, otherwise you would support the elimination of all green energy subsidies.
 
If that were true the free market would be driving this, not government mandates and subsides… like the ones the French are currently rebelling against.  For you, Opher, it Kool-Aid and numbers on paper… for them it’s money out of their pockets and a reduction in their standard of living.
 
I know who's side I'm on...
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:32pm
Tex - I am not in favour of nuclear but at least it is not pouring CO2 into the atmosphere.
What is quite clear is that renewables are the future. They are cheap and not polluting. They have become extremely affordable and signal the death of polluting old industry.
You are supporting dinosaur, polluting industry - one must have to ask why?
Your response is disingenuous. On every day of the year renewables make up a very good proportion of our energy use and it is growing year by year and getting cheaper and cheaper and much more efficient.
What on earth is wrong with a cheap production of energy that is less polluting? 
I am in favour of subsidies to enable a new industry to get off the ground. We are fast approaching the time when we don't need subsidies. Look at the prices and evidence.
Neil Lock Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:48pm
Lynn: Really good article. It's a pity the protesters have been using tactics like blocking roads, that have the side effect of harming ordinary people as well as their targets, but I guess they had to do it.
 
Mustafa: Yes, people are waking up. Too slowly as yet, but they are waking up.
 
Leroy: You missed out the intermittency factor on the renewables issue. If the wind don't blow, the power don't flow. If the sun don't shine, ain't no solar on the line.
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:53pm
Neil - if the tide don't flow the electricity don't either. If the core isn't hot the geothermal doesn't heat the water.
Perhaps renewables won't ever do a hundred percent but even if they only do 75% that'll make a big difference. And they certainly, despite their intermittency will achieve 75% and quite soon.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:08pm
Opher, inadvertently you hit the nail on the head in asking, "What on earth is wrong with a cheap production of energy that is less polluting?"
 
To answer that, I ask you "What on earth is wrong with unicorns?"  No... really... what is wrong with them (unicorns)?
 
It's not a trick question.  The problem with unicorns is... they don't exist.
 
I might want them to exist.  I might hope that someday they do, but I don't support throwing a lot of public money towards that effort.
 
The problem with cheap production of energy that is less polluting is... wait for it... it (like the unicorn) doesn't exist.  Green energy exists... so the key concept missing is "cheap"; as in competitive without subsidies and mandates.
 
Thinking of cheap green energy as a unicorn, the real problem occurs when people do believe in them, insist that others believe in them, and insist that society subsidize and sacrifice for them.
 
What are the French protesting?  Those dam unicorns costing them an arm and a leg.  I don't blame them.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:09pm
Neil >> It's a pity the protesters have been using tactics like blocking roads, that have the side effect of harming ordinary people as well as their targets, but I guess they had to do it.
 
I would disagree (that they had to).  I think such tactics not only show a lack of character but are also self-defeating of one's cause.  I may be sympathetic, but screw me just for the hell of it and see which side I lean.
 
Neil >> Mustafa Yes, people are waking up. Too slowly as yet, but they are waking up.
 
We'll see.
 
Neil >> Leroy: You missed out the intermittency factor on the renewables issue. If the wind don't blow, the power don't flow. If the sun don't shine, ain't no solar on the line.
 
I'm for ALL sources of energy being on line.  AS LONG AS the guys producing it are the ones risking the capital behind it.  If you can put up a wind farm or solar panels and sell your electricity in the open market and be competitive with fossil fuel sources... all power to you (pardon the pun).  That has NEVER been the case with green energy; and without the subsidies (even today) the industry would die on the vine.
 
Opher knows that; all the green guys do.  We're fast approaching when the industry will be able to compete on it's own.  We'll still be fast approaching that point a decade from now; like we were a decade ago.
 
You look at Solyndra that cost taxpayers half a billion (that’s with a B) dollars.  Do you think those Obama buddies lost any of their own capital in that debacle?  Nope.  They took tax payer money, bet it on a green scheme, paid themselves huge ass salaries and when it all fell apart... cried... all the way to the bank.
 
A lot of SOBs should have gone to jail over that, instead we (the taxpayers) just enriched a bunch of Democratic donors for life.  Enough already!
 
Leroy Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:32pm
"The prices of renewables are plummeting and the efficiency is improving greatly."
 
With China dumping solar cells and stealing German's wind power technology, the price has indeed come down--but not labor.  If the cells and turbines were free, it wouldn't help that much.
TexasLynn Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:35pm
"French President Emmanuel Macron has scrapped a fuel tax rise amid fears of new violence, after weeks of nationwide protests and the worst rioting in Paris in decades." -- ABC News (12/5/18)
 
Wait a minute, I thought the global warming clock was ticking.  Do we have time for this?  If France can't hold it's ground... who can?  THE HUMANIIIITYYYY!!!!!
Jeff Michka Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:15pm
Typical crap article, TraitorLynn.  Oil companies going to help fund your civil war?  More rightist justifications without substance.  Keep that cowboy hat and cowboy boots, TraitorLynn.  At least the French have the courage to stand up to people like you.  Now so your dog and phony show is complete, make sure you call me a troll, pinhead.  You only care about TraitorLynn, and other neofascistists that go on like you.  Question, Mr. & Mrs. Traitor, will you just kindly ask private sector companies to give you their resources and assets for your United State of America, or "New Germany?"  Or will you just steal them?
Bill H. Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:24pm
Opher - I will say that if we don't at least make more moves to only resort to burning petroleum when "the wind don't blow, the sun don't shine, the tides don't move, and the core of the Earth cools down", we are idiots.
The real issue is to un-politicize alternative energy. At this point, even mentioning the words "Green", "solar power", "renewable energy", and "Prius" sends chills down the spine of most Republicans, due to their party's reliance on campaign funding from Big Oil, and the so-called "Science" that they read on their "news" sites.
Big Oil will fight to the end to preserve and increase their profit levels and bottom line for their stockholders. And for now, their smear campaign against other energy sources has worked, and their party is in power.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:06am
Macron caves on petrol tax. Guesses Globalization isn't for everyone after threatened with Article 24. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:22am
La Pen will be the next leader of France. 
Flying Junior Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:25am
Enjoyed all of the hysteria from the Writer Beat right-wing cabal.
 
Did anybody even look up what the proposed tax was?
 
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/04/macron-u-turn-on-eco-tax-rise-gives-green-lobby-fuel-for-thought
 
It was four Euro cents per litre.  That would be less than sixteen cents a gallon.  Congratulations on the successful right-wing infiltration of France.  I would say a bunch of crazies that take to the streets to protest something like that have a much bigger objective in mind than just opposing any new carbon taxes.  This is a pitched battle.
 
There was a republican-led effort to repeal the latest gas tax in California.  I guess I don't really understand freedom because I voted it down.  Now the damn car tax!  Why didn't that son-of-a-bitch DeMaio lead a grass roots effort to kill that?  I guess it wasn't politically expedient.
 
Lynn,
 
Just couldn't resist the comparison to Antifa, eh?  Just when was the last time that you heard about any violence from Antifa?
 
Sixteen cents a gallon.  Government overreach in its purest form.







Flying Junior Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:25am
You should jump in on Ken's thread.  I posted a competent rebuttal to his assertion that there was no collusion, but even if there was it wouldn't have been illegal.
TexasLynn Added Dec 6, 2018 - 8:38am
FJ >> You should jump in on Ken's thread.
 
Thanks for the invitation.  That's Ken's thread and not relevant to this one that I know of.  If I find the time, I'll take a look.
 
Personally?  I think there is plenty of evidence for collusion... but as usual... Hillary gets another pass. :)
TexasLynn Added Dec 6, 2018 - 8:40am
FJ >> It was four Euro cents per litre.  That would be less than sixteen cents a gallon.
 
Thus, the assertion that the tax was the "back breaking straw that instigated all of this".  Thus, the information that this (small) increase would have just been heaped on top of a tax that makes up 75% of the cost of petrol.  Thus, the implication that the movement has moved to grievances well beyond just this tax.
 
To borrow an apt analogy... one does not boil a frog by throwing him in a pot of hot water (he'll notice and jump out).  No, you place him in a pot of warm water then slowly turn up the heat (say about four Euro cents at a time).  Macron and his ilk have been doing this for decades.  Well that last turn of the knob?  The frogs noticed.  Good for them... now let's see if they're smart enough to jump out of the liberal/socialist pot.
 
And no, it doesn't surprise me that leftist here in the US see this as much ado about nothing.
 
FJ >> Just couldn't resist the comparison to Antifa, eh?
 
So, are you saying they've changed their ways?  LMAO... You wannna bet?
TexasLynn Added Dec 6, 2018 - 8:40am
Bill H >> And for now, their [the oil industry's] smear campaign against other energy sources has worked, and their party is in power.
 
Yeah, that half a billion stolen and flushed by Solyndra was ingenious in that effort.  Those dam oil companies were diabolical when they orchestrated that.
Leroy Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:00am
"The real issue is to un-politicize alternative energy."
 
On that we agree.  How to accomplish?  Remove ALL subsidies, even on oil.  Each source wins or loses on its own merit.  How about that?
 
"At this point, even mentioning the words "Green", "solar power", "renewable energy", and "Prius" sends chills down the spine of most Republicans, due to their party's reliance on campaign funding from Big Oil, and the so-called "Science" that they read on their "news" sites."
 
I'm not Republican but I have been forced to vote that way for decades.  I considered buying a Prius in the early days.  It was relatively expensive.  I figured the car would be worthless in ten years.  The dealer told me they would replace the entire battery pack if anything failed in ten years.  I didn't believe him and I didn't buy.  They were willing to deal back in the day.  With all the subsidies in place, I have seriously considered putting solar on the old homestead.  I'm just afraid it would become a liability much like a swimming pool.  Sooner or later either it or the roof has to be replaced.  By the time I paid someone to remove the old and install a new one, I figure I would lose money.  I doubt that I can double-dip.  If I planned to sell the house in a few years, it might make sense (cents) to me.
 
"Big Oil will fight to the end to preserve and increase their profit levels and bottom line for their stockholders. And for now, their smear campaign against other energy sources has worked, and their party is in power."
 
Nice play on words.  My guess is that they will join the party when it becomes profitable.  So far, it is only profitable with subsidies.  Germany claims to have the first wind project without subsidies.  Of course, the government provides for it in other ways by closing down fossil fuel and nuclear plants and setting minimum prices--a subsidy by another name.
Leroy Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:02am
"The frogs noticed."
 
Oh, Lynn!   You know it is not PC to call the French frogs.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:25am
How bout we just call them assholes?
TexasLynn Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:36pm
Leroy >> Oh, Lynn!   You know it is not PC...
 
Yeah... 'cause you know I'm all about not offending the sensitive. :)
 
But you gotta admit, the boiling a frog analogy in this context was appropriate AND humorous.
 
TBH >> How bout we just call them assholes?
 
But that's my term for all Europeans (some more than others)...  we must differentiate. :)
 
Notice the :) my European friends... notice the :)...
Dave Volek Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:41pm
Lynn
I think you and others are missing the point of the recent French protests. I would say many of them don't drive very much  or don't even have a car. The increase of gasoline prices really would not affect them that much. The gasoline increase is only a catalyst for something much deeper. 
 
This is a lower middle class/working poor protest, who cannot see themselves ever getting ahead in this society despite their honest and hard work they put into their country. They don't see their children rising much higher.
 
In the past 20 years, auto manufacturers from western Europe have been moving their plants to eastern Europe where the infrastructure for business is quite good and wages for trainable workers is much lower. A lot of good-paying jobs for high school diplomas have disappeared in France.
 
USA has a similar frustration festering. For now, they have put their hopes in Mr. Trump. But we should not be surprised for more intense protests in the future.
 
Remember FDR was not created in a vacuum. He appealed to the working man from 1930--and he delivered on his promises to the working man.
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:43pm
.....and we are still paying for Lord FDR's mistakes today. Thanks!
TexasLynn Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:26pm
Dave V >> I think you and others are missing the point of the recent French protests. I would say many of them don't drive very much...
 
Well, who can understand the French?  As I stated in the post and comments, these protest have expanded well beyond the initial catalyst.  So I think we're in agreement.  I may not have fleshed that point out well enough.
 
There is/was a car and petrol component, though; otherwise why all the green vests?  The onerous and abusive taxes on petrol is, I'm sure, a microcosm of the overall boot on the faces of the working class.
 
Dave V >> This is a lower middle class/working poor protest, who cannot see themselves ever getting ahead in this society despite their honest and hard work they put into their country. They don't see their children rising much higher.
 
Agreed.  But why now?  What has changed in France over the last few months or year that sparked these protests?  Why do they realize their dire straits now and not a year ago, five years ago, or a decade ago?
 
I propose that there has been growing resentment that finally bubbled over.  The cause could have been any number of things, but it happened to be yet another petrol tax.  But does this sould familiar at all?  Have we seen this happen somewhere else in recent history?  I way yes... we have.
 
Dave V >> USA has a similar frustration festering.
 
Festering?  What exactly would we call the election of Trump?  Me?  I say it was a middle finger to the globalist elites (like Obama and Hillary and the GOP and the rest of the powers that be).  2020 may double down on that.
 
Dave V >> In the past 20 years, auto manufacturers from western Europe have been moving their plants to eastern Europe where the infrastructure for business is quite good and wages for trainable workers is much lower. A lot of good-paying jobs for high school diplomas have disappeared in France.
 
Again... we're seeing this everywhere.  It's just the cost of globalism.  The solution?  Stop globalism.  Return to self-determination of those within a common culture.  Allow each nation to promote and protect their interests and cooperate with each other as need be… not be dictated as to how the world’s powerful elites want things.
 
But for that to happen in Europe... the European Union must cease to exist.  For that to happen in the United States?
 
Dave V >> For now, they have put their hopes in Mr. Trump. But we should not be surprised for more intense protests in the future.
 
Good... as long as they do it the right (as in not Anitifa) way.
 
Dave V >> Remember FDR was not created in a vacuum. He appealed to the working man from 1930--and he delivered on his promises to the working man.
 
And enslaved future generations to the debt and social programs that would ensue.  (Which TBH eludes to.)
Flying Junior Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:53pm
Actually it was pretty funny.

TexasLynn Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:39pm
FJ >> Actually it was pretty funny.
 
:) ... thank you...
 
When discussing the French... it's really hard not to go off on humorous and insulting tangents.
 
One of my genealogical ancestors was a scoundrel by the name of "LeBleu"... much to the shame of family.  But maybe that buys me a little license...
Leroy Added Dec 6, 2018 - 8:54pm
"How bout we just call them assholes?"
 
I used to live chez les Français.  I prefer to call them a pain in the ass.
Dave Volek Added Dec 7, 2018 - 3:23pm
Lynn
 
I don't think you and others just don't get it.
 
There is a whole whack of people in western countries who feel they cannot progress in life. It really does not matter whether this class has been beset by truly systemic forces deliberately throwing obstacles in their way, not really knowing how to navigate in a changing economy, or just plain lazy and looking for ways to stick it to the rich.
 
Western democracy has a few extra social relief valves to mitigate this social pressure, but it has limits. When the lower classes feel oppressed, they will rise up. No lecturing about the constitution or conservative ideology will placate this movement. No lecturing about how they have flush toilets and cellphones has made their life better will cause them to think differently. And there will be opportunists to use this frustration to build their base of power.
 
When this demographic reaches a certain size and frustration---and feels it has nothing to live for, that's when violent protests happen. History has lots of examples: Western Europe in 1848, Russia in 1905 and 1916, Poland in the 1980s, USA and Canada in the early 1930s, Cuba in 1959, Czechoslovakia in 1989, Venezuela in 1998. None of these social changes--like the election of FDR and his mandate to effect change--came out of a vacuum. The masses felt unrepresented by their governments. It doesn't matter if, in your opinion, these social changes caused more harm than good. The masses at that time wanted change! And they somehow forced it. 
 
For the time being, many of the frustrated in USA have democratically put their faith in Mr. Trump. I don't see Mr. Trump as an FDR who can deliver what they want in either a liberal or a conservative way. This demographic may stick with Mr. Trump to the end (when his mandate is up in 2024), but they won't be better off economically speaking. The frustration has been simmering, but it is far from doused.
 
Or they could start peeling away soon. Who knows? If so, they are not likely to go the Democrats. This social force will probably head for the streets.
 
USA is sitting on a social powderkeg!
 
 
Leroy Added Dec 7, 2018 - 4:05pm
Dave, when it comes to the US, you have it wrong.  It is not the poor and the oppress that are uprising and causing all the violence.  It is the well-educated, liberal elites, sometimes even wealthy ones, that are pushing us towards civil war.  It is the very same ones who identify with the 0.1%.  They don't represent those on the lower end of the scale; they want to control them.
Dave Volek Added Dec 7, 2018 - 5:24pm
Like I said Leroy, there will be those who will use the societal frustration to build a political base. You may very well be right.
 
In my ideal world, we should be dealing with this frustration before we get the powderkeg lit. Or maybe in your ideal world, another FDR assumes control--and who also can truly bypass democratic processes. 
Tamara Wilhite Added Dec 7, 2018 - 6:17pm

TexasLynn  The riots are not just gas tax riots. There has been a gradual systemic oppression of drivers and vehicle usage, banning private cars and trucks in many areas, raising fees.
 
Aside from that, the government doesn't give a flip about drivers coming going to and from the UK getting assaulted by Muslim migrants seeking a ride. Imagine the government suppressing the news of trucks being hit with wooden beams and swarmed with Muslim and African migrants, and if they try to flee the mob and hit someone, the driver faces criminal charges.
 

Muslim Migrants Attack Truckers, Drivers in Calais, France
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLDrncg_UAU

Tamara Wilhite Added Dec 7, 2018 - 6:17pm
'It hasn't stopped!' Lorry drivers are ATTACKED by Calais migrants EVERY DAY, haulage boss
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/902205/Calais-jungle-France-migrant-crisis-news-latest-UK-EU
Tamara Wilhite Added Dec 7, 2018 - 6:18pm
Truck drivers still being attacked on daily basis in Calais, say RHA
https://www.truckanddriver.co.uk/latest-stories/truck-drivers-still-attacked-daily-basis-calais-say-rha/
Tamara Wilhite Added Dec 7, 2018 - 6:18pm
The French government's response is "shut up bigots" and upping their taxes.
The EU governments are siding with the invaders over their own people.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 7, 2018 - 10:56pm
The EU governments are siding with the invaders over their own people.
 
So is your's. 
 
Leroy Added Dec 8, 2018 - 10:25am
"So is your's."
 
Good point, Captain!
TexasLynn Added Dec 8, 2018 - 10:40am
All... thanks for the comments, sorry for my short absence.  Gotta pay those bills.
 
Leroy >> When it comes to the US...
 
Leroy is right in the difference we're seeing between Europe and the US.  Here there are two groups uprising and causing violence.  Both are in the service (or at least do the bidding) of the elite whether they know it or not.  Neither has as a cause anything representing those on the lower end of the economic scale.
 
First is the group Leroy described; generally well-educated, well off, liberal elites.  Their cause is simply liberal tribalism.  They give lip service to the disparity in our economic scale, but in the next breath push all the globalist agenda that is the next step in solidifying that system.
 
Second is the urban black community.  Their cause is racism that (at least systemically) doesn't exist.  They are the tools of the elites who have used them for generations.
TexasLynn Added Dec 8, 2018 - 10:40am
Dave >> Like I said Leroy, there will be those who will use the societal frustration to build a political base.
 
True... but sometimes the frustration is justified because the ills that afflict them are real.  Sometimes the people and the base need to be riled so that meaningful action can be taken to address these ills.  In those instances, that's NOT a bad thing.
 
What is bad/wrong is when the societal frustration is manufactured.  The left claims things like immigration, border security, and voter fraud are manufactured/exaggerated.  We conservatives say that systemic racism (by law enforcement, and Neo-Nazi), and climate change are manufactured/exaggerated.  I obviously have my own opinions on who is right and who is disingenuous.
TexasLynn Added Dec 8, 2018 - 10:41am
Tamara W >> The riots are not just gas tax riots.
 
Yes.  I know I concentrated on the gas tax... because that was the catalyst.  But this is about a lot more now.  And that's good.  I didn't address the whole, because of space and time.  The specific example of the scope of the gas tax can be used as an example of the overall problem; which is what I tried to do.
 
One overall goal of the left (worldwide) is the phase out the use of individual vehicles.  This is just one of many steps to move us in that direction.
 
The elite left also intends to diminish the power/influence of the working poor (whom they despise and have no interest in helping) by importing a new (more pliable) working poor.  In Europe, they are importing Muslims; in the US, they are importing Central and South American socialists.  THIS is all by design to solidify power.
 
Part of that process is to demean and demonize those who oppose this (for whatever reason), as racist.  They side with the invaders over their own people because they consider their own people "deplorable".  Every now and then, one of them verbalizes this opinion.
 
Jeffrey G >> So is your's. (siding with invaders)
 
As Leroy observed... Good point.
 
GOP for cheap labor and Democrats for easy votes.  Can that be reversed?  We'll see.  I may have my differences with Trump; but he does recognize this fact and wants to do something about it.  THUS... the opposition from all sides and the cries of "racism".
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 8, 2018 - 11:48am
It is interesting that the French  took so long tolerating high taxes of all sorts. The so-called  extra 'benefits' of socialism are paid for by national debt--running at 230% of External debt to GDP. 
 
The US is also in trouble with 96 %. Netherlands are 525%.
 
It should be clear that these debt levels  cannot be sustained. 
 
The only thing the left has is TAX and SPEND.
Dave Volek Added Dec 8, 2018 - 2:06pm
Ryck
 
The left also has funny money, where a central bank can print extra money without having a crash in the currency. I'm not sure how this all works, but it seems to be holding together for the past few decades. Bill Kamp has a better understanding. 
 
While I agree with many left-leaning directions, I also believe we can only afford so many of them. We have gone too far. Someday the Ponzi scheme will fall apart.
 
Last week, I had an interesting discussion with a work colleague. He believe the government should pay for an instructor to lead an aqua-size class in the evenings (there is one such class in the day, but he can't go). His reason: it will help people become more physically fit, which leads to lower health care costs. Since we have public health care in Canada, that evening class would save the taxpayer money.  I wanted to say "Get your ass into the pool and do similar things you would do in an aqua-size class."
 
TexasLynn Added Dec 8, 2018 - 3:00pm
rycK the JFK Democrat >> The only thing the left has is TAX and SPEND.
 
And if we're honest... the only thing the GOP has is BORROW and SPEND.
 
We never address the spend part of the equation.  And we’re talking about cutting by 20-30% before we even begin to address the problem.
 
Dave V >> He believe the government should pay for an instructor to lead an aqua-size class in the evenings
 
Not that I want to butt into my northern neighbors business (who are we Americans to cast that stone)... but the government shouldn't be paying for the day class either.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 9, 2018 - 12:57am
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 9, 2018 - 4:58pm
TexasLynn
 
"And if we're honest... the only thing the GOP has is BORROW and SPEND."
 
The Rs  would have to borrow less IF  we could dump: EPA, DoT, DEd, HHS, kick out 13 million illegal aliens, HUD, half the welfare payments and more leftist programs. Trump would slash those and more.
 
I do think SS and ObamaCare have stuck us in the gut and are as easily to shake off as malaria or tertiary syphilis. I do not think we can bring the deficit to zero  using any means even if the Dems voted our way.
 
Half our population is entranced by the notion of socialism even if  they do not understand the end result of such a government. Those who want a different system  seem to willingly to  follow Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez  or Bernie Sanders. The  takers are never satisfied.
 
I tend to think that  more than half our nation wants to follow the EU down the steep side of the financial latrines. Look for riots as in France here in the next decade. Some still adore Castro. Our debt is now intractable. 
 
Capitalism in its most efficient  mode cannot provide a high standard of living for more than 80% of our population. There is not enough wealth to spread around. So, they borrow and spend and promise good things that cannot be had. 
Leroy Added Dec 9, 2018 - 9:17pm
The Russians did it!  The Russians did it!
 
Where have we heard that before?
Leroy Added Dec 9, 2018 - 9:19pm
In other news, the EU sends in tanks to quell the protests.  That's scary.  All hell's about to break loose in France.  Macron will be out on his derriere in a week.
ChetDude Added Dec 10, 2018 - 6:21pm
We (me and the majority of actual Climate Scientists - the people who are educated and know) disagree with your uninformed opinion that "AGW is a hoax".
 
"French President Emmanuel Macron's business-friendly government unveiled its first annual budget Wednesday, fending off criticism that its tax cuts favour the very wealthiest."
 
I noticed that no mention was made of the fact that the Centrist Capitalist Macron (bush/Trump-like) proposed rather large tax cuts for the rich FIRST and then raised gasoline taxes on the Working Class to help pay for them. 
 
Same as how the bat-crap crazy right-wing Lege in Arizona cut taxes on the rich and then cut support for higher education in that state to cover it.
 
At least the Europeans KNOW that they're in a Class War, most of our clueless fellow USAmericans are ignorant of that fact.  And the wrong class is winning.
 
(Unlike the corporate-funded democans and republicrats, we on the Anti-War, Anti-Capitalist "FAR LEFT" know how to cut spending and improve people's Quality of Life...)
ChetDude Added Dec 10, 2018 - 6:28pm
 

rycK the JFK Democrat: You are slightly correct that the corporate media's versions of Sanders and AOC have only incomplete answers as they are portrayed as still somewhat capitalist (or at least don't directly attack capitalism) nor do they talk about the underlying systemic disease of dominator hierarchies that utilizes it to increase inequality of opportunity and inequality in distribution of the fruits of OUR labor as well as are actively destroying our only Home Planet as a friendly environment for large air breathers.
 
They would be a small step in the right direction though...
ChetDude Added Dec 10, 2018 - 6:29pm
That execrable war criminal Dick Cheney was correct about ONE THING though, "Deficits don't matter!"
 
Check out MMT -- that's how we shall finance the revolution...
Jim Stoner Added Dec 11, 2018 - 2:26pm
This thread was a little too much of an echo chamber.
As an American (of the US variety), I am a fan of the French, who have been our ally in every war since before we were a nation.   We have saved their butts, and they ours.   Oh, and thanks for the Louisiana Purchase!
 
Although Macron was the candidate who could defeat the LePen neo-(fill in the blank) movement, his own candidacy was a symptom of a total deterioration in French confidence in all their major parties.   Of course expectations were due to be disappointed (he's like Obama in that regard).    I enjoy his taunting Trump and all, but that's not going to get it done domestically.   In terms of fuel prices, France has the problem that all non-producer nations have:  the more their citizens consume, the weaker the country will be.  They may have overdone it (the tax). 
 
I am totally--totally!--in favor of higher gas taxes in the US.  The idea should be to maintain stable prices at a cost that reflects the total cost to society of use of non-renewables for transportation.  I'd guess it's about $4 a gallon--the tax should go up or down inversely with producer prices and the total pump cost should have a cost of living adjustment (if inflation takes hold again).  Things like fracking and tar sands have huge costs to our environment--no free lunch.  Some of that money should go to restoring our rail systems, freight and light rail for passengers.   
 
Yet another crazy idea; A huge infrastructure project that would show some thought for the future would be to build rail lines in the middle of the interstates to transport vehicles, which can be done much more efficiently that way.   You get off the train, and drive off in your car. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 11, 2018 - 3:03pm
"I am totally--totally!--in favor of higher gas taxes in the US.  The idea should be to maintain stable prices at a cost that reflects the total cost to society of use of non-renewables for transportation. "
 
Why not let market forces decide prices?? If solar panels are price competitively then people will buy them. Right now, they are very expensive. 
 
Who said fossil fuels are non-renewables? We find linear hydrocarbons devoid of nitrogen, potassium , iodine and other such atoms that are routinely found in plants and animals buried some  5 miles below solid rock. Who sorted out the atoms and then pumped them down there?
Jim Stoner Added Dec 12, 2018 - 12:30am
Why not have a policy to promote renewable energy sources?  Think about the world you want to leave to your descendants, instead of how to add a few cents to Exxon's dividend. 
As for your last question, I don't know: Who? 
If I read your last paragraph right, you are saying there are hydrocarbons five miles deep in rock.  I've read there's lots of iron in the earth's mantle, too, but that's not useful, either.  
 
 

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