NOW LOOK AT THIS SHIT. IS THAT THE FUTURE OF WB ?

NOW LOOK AT THIS SHIT. IS THAT THE FUTURE OF WB ?
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http://writerbeat.com/articles/27657-Does-Barry-the-Fairy-belong-in-jail-

 

Please do follow the string of this article.

 

So much hate.

 

So much ignorance.

 

WriterBeat.

 

This place has become a place of ...... what ? . Ignorant idiots who seem not to have found another refuge on Internet blogs than here apparently ? I'm sorry about that. We have so many GOOD and intelligent authors here who contribute A LOT that other blogs can't. But these good authors are overshadowed by populists extremists lately, be it ones from a political background or a religious one.

 

They leave NO ROOM for our good writers anymore because they attract people with stupid accusations, insults and self-rigtheous blather.

 

Do people like that ? Apparently. Why ? Because THEY get the most thumbs up and reads, as I notice.

 

Please, dear people, do not allow to become WB to a place where dumb populism rules. Internet is a mirror of society. And if it goes on like this in future. there won't be a civil communication left anymore, neither on the net nor ..... in reality.

 

Mirror. Do we WANT to be such a mirror ? ARE we already that far in hate and mistrust ?

 

New users, same subjects, same accusations, same replies. We have to find a way to communicate on the net as we (hopefully) do in reality (as long as we think that exists ;-). And - we have to take the time to figure out how the guy on the other side of the keyboard thinks. I made the mistake to damn the US for everything bad that happens on the planet. And I still stick to that. But it's NOT the PEOPLE but their ecogovernment. Not the regular Joe. Why ? Because the regular Joe just doesn't figure what's going on because he's too occupied to feed his family or plan the future.

 

As in Europe.  

 

So - let's not fight each other but work together - in Europe and the US, in Africa and South America. Humanity is too valuable to be wasted for the profit of some assholes who USE US with false slogans for their private profit - in the name of any 'ism and ideology they use for their own power games.

 

The peasant in Africa wishes a future for his children as you do. Same as the Chinese father and the Peruvian clerk.

 

Try to imagine that. Sorry to appeear as a do-gooder. This will be my last article for a while. I'm happy if you think about it.

 

Greetz from Europe.

 

Comments

Even A Broken Clock Added Dec 4, 2018 - 7:44pm
Stone, I am respectfully declining your invitation to pollute my mind with the mindless ramblings of our resident messianic troll. I have been refusing to read his posts even before he took a (too brief) hiatus from these pages, and I intend to ignore all of his comments.
 
I agree with your statements that we do not want this forum to be turned over exclusively to those like Ryan and Ken who cannot reason adequately in the world, and therefore turn to invective in order to post sputum on these pages. But they will get no reinforcement from me.
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2018 - 7:53pm
Stone - yes - there are a bunch of them spewing bible quotes and mindless garbage they have sucked up from the cesspits of right-wing propaganda sites. They don't engage in intellectual debate because they can't. They don't have an original thought in their heads. Recitation is not debate. It doesn't engage the brain or thought processes. It is a mechanical outpouring of shit.
This bunch support and reinforce their own warped ideology.
Leave them to their Old Testament, white supremacy and fear.
I sometimes find them amusing and often find them sad, hollow ciphers of stereotyped junk.
Indoctrination is a terrible thing to witness.
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2018 - 7:54pm
EABC - amen (secularly) to your statements.
George N Romey Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:01pm
Ryan is a piece of trash.  So is Mika.  Like a violent car wreck they tempt watching (reading).  The good thing is that one day Ryan will probably do something really stupid and end up in jail.  His little white ass will be the sole property of some guy by the name of Bubba.  He'll get gay porn up close and personal.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:03pm
Thank you guys. I know that people who are reasonable are in the majority here....and I hope it will also be the case .... outside the net ....;.)
Spartacus Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:11pm
After reading yet again another article hit piece on the one guy here that would not deserve more than being either ignored or some minor comments . . . I'm thinking Ryan needs to double his efforts.
 
You guys are figgin insane just as much as you claim others are.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:19pm
William
 
This is NOT against ONE guy here. It is what I notice in general.
TreeParty Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:28pm
Even a Broken Clock,
   I count what you wrote as being right, twice! In one day! Good job!
Eater of stones: buh-bye :)..
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:34pm
George
 
Ryan is a piece of trash.  So is Mika.
 
You see THAT'S what I mean. You as well don't seem to understand. 
 
Some people like Ryan's stuff, some people like Mika's stuff. It's not about WHO likes WHO'S stuff. It's about that everybody thinks that HE'S got the wisdom and HE'S right. We ALL think we are right and the others should re-think theyr're POV.
 
But that's HERE in front of the keyboard (I include myself of course). IF WE WERE TOGETHER IN A PUB...
 
I'm dead sure we'd find common points.
 
We're all so sure of ourselvse at home on the net. What's it like in real life ?
 
Real life, so to say. LISTEN and trying to understand. Not prejudice based on slogans and -isms ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:36pm
BTW: I like Mika. I'm sorry for Ryan. But that's - subjective :-;
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:40pm
Tree
 
That's ok. I don't ask for acceptance for my posts.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:44pm
Ryboy
 
Sorry. You're US constitution interna and insults against other writers here have no plece in my threads. I told you to keep out of my stuff.
George N Romey Added Dec 4, 2018 - 8:50pm
SEF both of them are assholes. There are writers here that I might not agree with but they are respectful. So I don’t argue with them. They have their ideas, mine my own. Cool. But assholes assume they are better than everyone and holier than thou. But the’re just assholes.
ChetDude Added Dec 4, 2018 - 10:16pm
Great attempt, Stone Eater.  I admire your optimism and compassion.
 
Maybe the internet also obeys the 2nd law of thermodynamics...it tends toward negative entropy...
 
To paraphrase: "A place to comment devolves into a shouting match between two polar opposite (sounding) factions that refuse to hear ANYTHING that the other 'side' says."...  :-)
Dale Ruff Added Dec 4, 2018 - 11:33pm
Gresham's law says bad money chases out good.  Likewise,  bad  commentary (trolling) chases out the good.   If the editor continues to allow this kind of trashtalk, writerbeat will end up like  Blabberbuzz, where 5 or 6 trolls have chased out everyone else and all that is left is clickbait.    I do not hear two sides shouting at each other: I hear one side  presenting reason, another  presenting bullshit.  What is the difference: a civil tone and evidence.  
I no longer look in at the comments on my several articles since they are the same  idiots  ejaculating on the page.   I just posted an article and I dread seeing the comments, which will be, I guarantee, ugly, personal, and  absurd...for the most part.   
 
Bad behavior chases out good....that is the tragedy of an unmonitored commons.  
Ken Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:53am
EABC - I agree with your statements that we do not want this forum to be turned over exclusively to those like Ryan and Ken who cannot reason adequately in the world, and therefore turn to invective in order to post sputum on these pages. But they will get no reinforcement from me.
 
Interesting how you would take a shot at me and throw me in with Ryan.  It actually shows your lack of deductive reasoning and critical thinking, not mine.
 
I don't need your reinforcement.  I lay out my case in my articles, I use facts to back it up.  If you cannot handle facts that oppose your world view, you are just as well off staying in your safe space.
 
Opher-there are a bunch of them spewing bible quotes and mindless garbage they have sucked up from the cesspits of right-wing propaganda sites. They don't engage in intellectual debate because they can't. They don't have an original thought in their heads. Recitation is not debate.
 
You should read what you have written to yourself multiple times daily.  Simply replace right with left and you describe yourself.  I have yet to see you post anything fundamentally factual.  You are nothing but an ideologue.
 
Your "scientific" articles are anything but.  You continue to say the same talking points over and over even after they have been proven incorrect dozens of times - especially when it comes to the American political spectrum.  But on you go ignoring the fact that you are completely wrong but keep churning the same talking points, just like a good Goebbels assistant.  Edward Bearnaise would be very proud of how thoroughly you work through his propaganda treatise (which is what Goebbels used) to constantly make the same comments over and over, even after they have been proven thoroughly false.  You talk about wanting intellectual debate?  You are a dishonest broker.  You will never accept facts that oppose your world view, because once you start to do that, your entire worldview falls apart as false.
 
Your egotistical self-superiority and complete closed mindedness to the fact that anything different than what you believe to be true is staggering.  You are the very definition of a leftist Elitist - and as far as original thought goes - some of your non political/scientific posts here are entertaining, but when you attempt to delve into reality and fact, you are the one lacking the mental aptitude.
 
Jim Stoner Added Dec 5, 2018 - 3:40am
Stone-Eater,  
I could be wrong, but I don't think the cause is necessarily lost, though it appears the host needs to watch what happens to the discourse that follows, in order to prevent chaos.   Eventually we will all learn our "no-go" areas. 
 
As for me, I love Europe, but I am unquestionably American, which is something different.  I think you give the US credit for way too much influence when you "damn the US for everything bad that happens on the planet".  I will admit that the US has given European nativism a de-stabilizing boost it should not have done.   
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:34am
All
 
Thanks for your replies, they're all valuable for this forum IMHO. What will come ou of it will be seen :-)
 
BTW: Ryan comments deleted. 
FacePalm Added Dec 5, 2018 - 6:34am
Stone-
First, just curious; why do some people abbreviate your handle as "SEF"?  As far as i can tell, there's no "F" in Stone or Eater.
 
As to the subject at hand, the true definition of "discretion" is not only saying the right thing at the right time, but also REFRAINING from saying the demeaning thing at the opportune moment.
 
i think i linked to it in the past, but did you ever read the article called "What Shamu Taught Me About a Happy Marriage"?
 
Briefly, it teaches to ignore bad behavior and to reward/compliment expected behavior as a way to train your husband/wife - or to train any animal larger than Man, like elephants, tigers, lions, or killer whales.  Works IRL, too.
 
When it comes to people who have repeatedly engaged in childish name-calling or baseless/scurrilous/degrading accusations, i just ignore them.  This takes a good deal of self-discipline for it to have it's desired effect, and must be repeated day in and day out without wavering, no matter how tempting it becomes to return reviling for reviling, or insult for insult.  Why let provocateurs rent space in your head, or be angry due to their deliberate poking and denigrations?
 
If you've never read Don Miguel Ruiz's "The Four Agreements," it's a good one to peruse.  One of these agreements - by far the hardest one for me to accept and practice - is "Don't take anything personally."  The author goes on to explain that people who heap up scorn and abuse of you are doing so because of their own crap, not yours, not really.  They're like monkeys in a cage, throwing their own shit at you.  When one recognizes what's happening, there are several choices - back off, run away, put up barriers(or screens) or throw the shit back.  The trouble with throwing shit is that it gets on YOU....then you're stuck with the stench of it, instead of where it should remain, with the one who started the shit.
George N Romey Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:29am
The beauty of free speech is that you aren't forced to listen to some moron's crazy rantings.  Ever notice how Ryan appears for awhile and goes in for another round of abuse based upon his sheer stupidity and ignorance.  Eventually he moves on, likely somewhere else in which he says moronic things and gets treated accordingly.  Ultimately he moves on and eventually back to WB where he thinks he's going to get acceptance.  And the cycle repeats.
 
Again, would you argue with a nutcase living in the New York City subways that goes to the bathroom in his pants?  Same concept here.
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:17am
Face
 
At first my nick was Stone-Eater Friedli afronum. Friedli is my family name and afronum my NGO. But then I decided to shorten. Old timers here know that and that's why :)
 
You see to me WB is a pastime as the net overall is. If I would take all that stuff too seriously I'd have hung myself long ago LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:21am
BTW: Yes, I would argue with that nutcase. Why ? I worked in a mental ward for a while and found some of the most reflected and intelligent people there I know. They simply couldn't cope with our mad world.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:22am
Jim
 
Thanks.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:26am
Mogg
 
Forget it....just let it flow and x the stuff you don't like. That's all. I only x Ryboy because he's a fundamentalist. And to me, any fundamentalist in any subject has left the path to objectivity.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:35am
Sorry that BTW was directed to George whom I appreciate.
 
I just say as always: It doesn't help to complain. Take your future in your own hands and take risks. If you fuck up what the hell you've TRIED. That's what is important. Being afraid means you unconsciously agree with the ones that knight you.
 
There is no more to lose than comfort, and comfort in mind is more important in the long run ;)
George N Romey Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:05am
SEF there are some on WB that others find off the Wall. Think Doug Plumb. Yet he argues his opinions well and is respectful. He’s allowed to have his opinions.
Cliff M. Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:27am
Stone, I agree that this site has become populated with an assortment of rude, ignorant pardon the term "assholes". After reading 2 comments or articles that are belittling or self serving they go on my shit list and no longer get the courtesy of a look.
George N Romey Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:32am
Cliff you have it right. Assholes live for recognition.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:49am
Cliff
 
It just makes me tired. And although I never was one who deleted comments before I've started it. I miss people here that talk about other stuff than elections and republicans, democrats and that never ending Trump - Clinton shit, climate warming....and then come insults.
 
It's just BORING. I mean I quit WB twice and came back, but now .... I'm not sure if we should leave the stage to idiots like Ryan, because they seem to become the majority of the population.
 
I just go back to Africa for my last decade or so and let them fuck each other LOL
George N Romey Added Dec 5, 2018 - 12:03pm
SEF years ago it was the idiots in the neighborhood that involved themselves in idle and frivolous gossip. Social Media is heading that way. You can watch a very good podcast on YouTube or you can listen to the overpaid moronic talking heads on cable news. 
 
Ultimately it’s up to one to find quality content. Assholes and imbeciles are nothing new but now they have a platform.
@ Stone - What are you whining about? To me, WB has gotten tamer and tamer since I first joined it whenever that was. Many of the more toxic ones left, others chilled out, others took different forms, others simply quit, and others simply died. Many of the current crop are just plain stupid, but others show promise. I find it supremely ironic that you and Ryan are the only two people here that gave me something resembling a "welcome" that wasn't laced with extremely profane expressions of hatred when I first made the mistake on coming here, lol.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:03pm
As we say in German guys: I try my best, fuck the rest LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:04pm
George
 
I'd have LOTS of good stuff I could link - but all's in German....
Mustafa Kemal Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:27pm
Stone Eater, good article.
 
 IMO your statement 
" Internet is a mirror of society."
is incorrect .  I have many friends who do not engage in these sorts of activities, and they are definitely part of society. The internet allows a much different form of access and expression.
 
As MEFOBILLS so aptly said, (paraphrasing) the internet allows behavior that the rules of the tavern would not. Many of the individuals here would not survive very long in a tavern environment.
Namely, there is really no "asshole penalty"
 
But alas, we are not in a tavern, although at times i have a pint of Guinness while here.
 
What's the solution? Havent a clue.  But I know what I am doing.
 
I realized some time back that my time on WB was really trashing my reading time. When I looked at how much benefit acrued (to anyone) from my interactions, it became clear to me that I needed to get back to reading. And man, it feels good.  
 
So that led to a solution for me: I made a deal with myself when I returned: I will not interact with anyone unless the possible benefits are comparable to just reading a book.  My last article on the Jooz worked fine for me.  I benefited quite a bit from the commentary.
 
Even got to reminisce about Sandy Koufax.
 
Beans, beans, the musical fruit, LOL.
 
Mustafa
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 5, 2018 - 1:58pm
Mature post. Could do without the colorful language but I'd agree with the sentiments. 
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:07pm
LOl Ken - please note - I don't access any sites. It all comes out of my head - unlike you.
Dino Manalis Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:24pm
 We should welcome all writers, but everyone  ought to be respectful and polite.
John Minehan Added Dec 5, 2018 - 3:05pm
Hey, I think your articles on Africa have great value and will be missed. 
 
Africa is key to how the 21st Century shakes out and Americans in particular need to know more about it.  
Marty Koval Added Dec 5, 2018 - 3:14pm
Our society is declining so fast that there seems to be a new form of depravity and rudeness popping out every week.  The internet has become the safe-space battleground for the plebs to fight amongst one another.  Instead of trying to find solutions to solve our nations and world problems, some writers say, let's forget that. They would rather go back online to insult someone for having a different opinion!
 
Many writers are looking for attention, because that is the easiest way to fire dopamine's in their brain without having to give up anything (and unlike food or drugs, you can’t crash or wreck yourself). It’s no wonder that attention today is the most highly sought currency in our world of Facebook, Tinder, Instagram, WriterBeat and more.
 
We are now in an internet "Witch Hunt Culture", where writers say: Hey, look! Someone has a political, social or religious opinion I don’t like, let’s ruin his life!”
 
FacePalm Added Dec 5, 2018 - 3:14pm
Stone-
At first my nick was Stone-Eater Friedli afronum. Friedli is my family name and afronum my NGO. But then I decided to shorten.
 
Ok.  Thanks for explaining.  Reminded me of an old joke which went like this:
 
A NYC cart vendor was rolling along, calling out his merchandise:
"Tomatoes!  Potatoes!  Carrots!" he cried.
A lady on the third floor stuck her head out the window.
"You got any lettuce?"
"Naw, lady," he replied, then continued, "Tomatoes!  Potatoes!  Carrots!"
The same lady called out, "I want a head of lettuce!"
"I ain't got no lettuce," the vendor shouted, then continued: "Tomatoes!  Potatoes!  Carrots!"
The lady yelled down again:  "I want a head of LETTUCE!"
The vendor said, "Lady, can you spell?"
"Sure," she replied.
"Ok," he answered, "Where's the "T" in 'Tomato?' "
She answered, "Right at the beginning of the word."
He replied, "Ok, good!  Where's the 'P' in 'Potato'?"
"At the beginning," she answered."
"Right!  Now, where's the 'f' in 'lettuce'?"
She thought a second, and said, "There's no 'f' in 'lettuce!' "
"Exactly," the vendor replied, "That's what i've been tryin' to tell ya!"
 
Old timers here know that and that's why :)
 
Ok.  So you have a Non-Governmental Organization?  Interesting.  Have you written any past articles about it?
 
You see to me WB is a pastime as the net overall is. If I would take all that stuff too seriously I'd have hung myself long ago LOL!

Here's a little tip that you may not be aware of when it comes to English(and a lot of English speakers still make this mistake, anyhow).
 
There's a vast difference between being "hung" and being "hanged."  If you're "hung," you are well-endowed with a large penis; if you're "hanged," you're dead.  *grin*
 
Dale Ruff Added Dec 5, 2018 - 3:16pm
I do not think that obvious lies (The 9th Circuit is the most reversed court,  it is a fact that Obama is guilty of crimes, etc) should be tolerated, as lies exist to cover up the truth and are the justification for nearly all gross evil.   I think obvious lies  should be assigned to the shit list...for those interested more in lies than honest opinion.   
 
Nor should hate speech be tolerated.  Tolerance of intolerance is complicity in the destructioni of human rights.   Hate speech is not just speech which offends  us but rather speech  which promotes discrimination, harming of rights, or violence against others based on collective libel, a million times more criminal than the crime of individual libel.
 
Lies and hate speech are not free speech but rather the enemy of free speech, for just as bad money chases out good money,  lies chase out the truth and hate speech chases out tolerance.
 
If the Weimar Republic had kept Hitler in jail instead of releasing him to form the pretext and justification of the world's most horrendous hate crimes  with his hate speech,  50 million innocents would have been spared.  Hate speech and lies lead to the destruction of liberty and human rights, and so they cannot be tolerated.  To tolerate them is to become part of the hatred and the lie.
Neil Lock Added Dec 5, 2018 - 3:51pm
Stone-Eater: I can see your point, but I don't agree.
 
Each of us has something to contribute to WB, and each of us has our own tastes. There will, therefore, be a certain tendency for people on this forum to split into groups, who tend to talk to each other more than to everyone else. But one of the big strengths of WB, for me, is that there are many authors who hold one set of views, but who are nevertheless willing to engage with those who hold quite different views. And, if necessary, to argue their point of view - civilly.
 
I don't feel it necessary to complain about some people overloading WB with articles and comments on particular topics. When I first arrived here, the big topic was "taking the knee" - a subject I found of no interest at all, even though I did live in the USA for a year or so long ago, and rather enjoyed watching American football. I simply ignored articles on that subject, and commented on the threads of those who were writing stuff more interesting to me.
 
On the other side, I know you have taken minor offence at me using "global warming" as an example on a thread about a more general topic. And you're entitled to your view. But I thought (and still think) it was a really good example in that case. And more: right now, it's the most important issue that divides the good people of the world from those that claim a right to rule us. It may even turn out to be the one on which we start to win, at last. So, it can't be wrong to bring that issue up where it is relevant.
 
With regard to the specific example of the individual TBH has (un-)dignified with the title "The Reverend," my attitude is very similar to that of the Broken Clock. Normally, I just switch off what The Reverend says. If disturbed by something egregious from said author, I wait for another of the good people here to take him to task. I'll only come in if no-one else here makes my point, and it's important enough to use some time on.
Mustafa Kemal Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:03pm
Ryan, its quite possible that they are simply ignoring you and your substance free comments.
 
Ta ta, plenty of housework to do!
 
Mustafa
George N Romey Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:06pm
Ryan proves the old adage “it’s better to be thought of as stupid than to open your mouth and prove it.”
Dale Ruff Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:19pm
Ryan, I don't know much about you, except your last post in two sentences has 7 or 8 ad hom insults and no facts or logic of any kind.   And I assure you, when you are dead, you will be forgotten....and I assure that other than this one post, I will forget about  you, as life is too short to spend time  sparring with trolls.
Cliff M. Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:24pm
Stone, Maybe when the nonsense-bullshit comments appear they should get a respectful  answer like, "Good bye" your done polluting this article. Wasn't Mr. Knowitall a character on the Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:43pm
Don't reply to Ryan. I delete his blather and insults anyway.
wsucram15 Added Dec 5, 2018 - 6:18pm
SEF..I am going to tell you now, what I told you in the first iteration of Ryan.  Ignore him, someone else told me that and I began to delete him.   There are literally only a couple of people I will debate with on here anymore.
You or anyone else does not deserve someone elses anger or judgement for your ideology.  Honest rational debate, sure...not some of the stuff on here now.   Some of us have been on here a long time and remain true to the site..stay that way and ignore the rest.
 
While we are trying to figure out how to talk to someone and where they are coming from, remember they dont care enough about you to bother even reading your post. They aren't writers or creators, you know?
 
 
Ken Added Dec 5, 2018 - 6:25pm
I don't access any sites. It all comes out of my head - unlike you.
 
That explains why you are incorrect so often - and even when facts are presented to you showing you are incorrect, you apparently cannot acknowledge them.  Anything to continue your dystopian one world "benevolent" government march. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 5, 2018 - 6:56pm
Regarding one of the comments...hate speech is in the eye of the beholder.
 
And little left-leaning snowflakes today think that anyone who disagrees with them are engaging in 'hate speech'. And they want to make it illegal, push it out of the public sphere, and worse (note that the author of this comment mentions jail...Hitler as well, but in reference to locking him up as a young man for his speech...and concludes leaving Hitler in jail for life for such speech would have been the right action). 

Those kind of sentiments scare me and are the definition of unAmerican if you ask me. 
Leroy Added Dec 5, 2018 - 7:22pm
Why get your panties in a wad over a few authors?  Don't like them?  Don't read their articles.  Don't like their comments?  Learn to tune them out.  If their comments pollute your articles, delete them and move on.  No use upsetting yourself over such little things.  Don't let someone you don't know live rent-free in your brain.  Whatever happened to, "Sticks and stones may break my bones...?"
 
I'm sure that if Ryan were preaching Marxism, you would be singing his praises.  It's all in the point of view.
James Travil Added Dec 5, 2018 - 9:53pm
My advice (regarding Lying Ryan) is to ignore his articles, ignore and delete his posts on your articles. Problem solved. As to others it's a case by case basis. And for the record I do not have a problem with people who have a religious belief (I have one myself), but the psychos like Ryan who are intolerant of all others different from them should themselves not be tolerated. Simple as that. 
Dale Ruff Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:20pm
Cullen, reread my post:  hate speech is not speech I dislike, disagree with or find offensive;  it is rather speech that through collective libel  promotes discrimination,  harming of rights, or violence against others.
 
When Hitler ranted against the Jews, that was hate speech and it led to the Holcaust.  When the radio in Rwanda said the time has come to destroy the cockroaches,  that was a signal to go out and butcher hundreds of thousands.  Hate speech, historically, leads to genocide, including in the US where genocide of native Americans was justified by calling them savages, and the deaths of millions of African brought as slaves was justified on the basis that they had no rights and were sub-human.
 
Explain how individual libel is a crime but collective libel, which harms many more people, is not.
 
Here is a current example of hate speech:  "The Mexicans are not sending their best; they are sending criminals and rapists."
 
Now if you are a landlord, and a "Mexican"  comes to rent an apartment, and you believe Trump's hate speech, you will of course discriminate and not rent to the "Mexican."  When Neo-Nazis marched yelling hate speech  in Charlottesville, Trump said some of them were "fine people," thus condoning hate speech, which actually led to one murder  that day.
 
Hate speech is not subjective; it is speech that promotes  the destruction of the reputation or rights of others.  All hate crimes are preceded and justified by hate speech.  The proper  forum to judge whether speech rises to the level of promoting harming the rights of others is, as with any other crime, the courts.
 
And yes, the world would have been spared tens of millions of deaths if Hitler's hate speech had been banned or he had been locked up for calling for the destruction of the Jews, leftists, and others.  Hitler is the perfect example of why hate speech is the enemy of free speech and human rights.   Tolerance of intolerance  is complicity in the destruction of human dignity and liberty.  That is a historical fact.
 
The question a judge asks (hate speech IS banned in several nations, which have learned the terrible lesson of history):  does this speech rise to the level of inciting, promoting, or justifying discrimination, the harming of rights, or violence against others?
 
 
 
 
FacePalm Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:13am
So, Dale, you stand with the collectivists and tyrants of history, then?
 
But maybe you can help me:  give me a legal definition of "hate speech," especially while considering the First Amendment.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:23am
Funny thing about free speech. Even radical views and opinions are allowed to be opined and expressed. Why censor anyone? If thine enemy chooses to expose his arse, why intervene? 
I cannot improve upon Leroy's comment. 100% true and valid.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:55am
Leroy
 
No. Every kind of fanatism is shit. And I can value a lot of so-called "conservative" points :)
@ Stone - Damn, dude! This behavior is very uncharacteristic of you, but then again, I've noticed that John Minehan, Bill Kamps, and even Stephen Hunter, three of the coolest cucumbers here, have been showing a little more "bite" in their comments lately.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 6, 2018 - 9:32am
Stone I generally agree with you.  I have traveled a lot, and in most places, people are very similar.  In the 1980s I was pretty surprised when I visited the Soviet Union.   These folks were largely cut off from the Western world by their government.  And yet, I got along very well with the average person there, we were very similar in what we liked, and wanted from life.
 
Now there are a few places where things are really different.  China and Saudi come to mind.  Having conversations in these places is very difficult, like the people are from another planet.   We have FAR more in common with people from Russia and Iran, then we have with people from Saudi and China.  Having a business conversation with someone from China is almost impossible to understand what they want.  You never feel like there is a common understanding.   In Saudi, one always feels like no deal is every final, they will always want to renegotiate.  In Russia, its pretty black and white, generally a deal is a deal once made.  Russia has always been one of the easier places to get paid from. 
Ian Thorpe Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:29am
Well said Stoney, what's happened here is a repetition of what has happened on any site where commenting is pushed. Soon as the idiots on both sides find they have an unmoderated platform they take over.
For myself I regard most commenting as a waste of my time, I wrote the article so I've said what I have to say. A bit of banter with other site users is fun, and some people raise interesting points, but why should I bother with people who just want to pull my articles apart.
I (and other writers I know,) get far more reads on sites where there is no commenting or when comments are properly moderated which I think proves that comment threads do not attract more readers.

BTW I hear le petit crapaud Macron fears the gilets jaunes are planning to stage a coup this wekend. I don't think they're ready for that yet but if the second French Revolution does kick off, I told my daughter to head for the Swiss border. Will you be able to point her towards to a cheap hotel near Geneva where she can rest up, and plan her route to the ferry ports at Zeebugge or Rotterdam. Can't do a flight, I bought her a car six months ago - don't want to dump that, I'd only have to buy her another when she got back to Britain.

Vive la revolution LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:36am
Bill
 
I had such strange feelings in Asia, in fact in Thailand and parts of India. It's almost impossible to figure what people think. The fear of losing face overshadows all communication. 
Dave Volek Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:39am
Stone
As someone who is working three other forums trying to promote a book and new way of governing, WB is still by far the best forum for good discussion and having your ideas challenged. Because I don't have a lot of time these days, I'm finding rather easy to bypass those WB contributors whose minds are rather inflexible and too obtuse.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:39am
Ian
 
Will you be able to point her towards to a cheap hotel near Geneva where she can rest up, and plan her route to the ferry ports at Zeebugge or Rotterdam.
 
Sorry, I'm living close to Zurich in the German speaking part and not in the French speaking one. Geneva is 3 hours from here, and frankly, I never liked that town ! If she comes to Zurich - no sweat. I don't have a car to drive down to Geneva, and trains here are darn expensive....
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:42am
BTW: Whether she drives from Zurich or Geneva to Rotterdam makes no difference. Actually from Zurich it would be closer. Zurich - Brussels - Rotterdam. 
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:45am
 
You should have 22 likes from all the RINO's and liberals on here who despise me, Stone.  Something must be seriously wrong with you.  You've only got 8 likes.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:57am
We each have the free will to associate with or ignore whomsoever we please. There is a word in the English language which describes this quite succinctly: discrimination
Dale Ruff Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:25pm
Burghal, history teaches us that ignoring hate speech leads to genocide, in Germany, in Ukraine, in Rwanda, and in the US.  Germans by the millions ignored Hitler's hate speech ( they took the "interior migration) and thus allowed it to culminate in the worst hate crimes/genocide in history.   When we tolerate hate speech, or intolerance, we  become part of it. 
 
We must not tolerate hate speech(speech w
ch promotes harming the rights of others, discrimination and/or violence; collective libel, a crime against not one but millions); we must stand up to it and if we are wise, ban it in public discourse, since it is not free speech but the enemy of free speech, leading as it does to tyranny and mass murder.
 
This is not alarmism or hyperbole; it is the lesson of history.  Repressive tolerance (see the classic essay by Marcuse)  only advances the agenda of intolerance, which is the destruction of human liberty, rights, and dignity.
 
 
 
Autumn Cote Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:34pm
I'm sorry but your most recent article was taken down because it violates the 48-hour rule.  As always, many thanks for your participation with Writer Beat.  Below is a copy of the article:
 
 
A couple of days ago a friend of mine whom I play guitar with from time to time showed up at my doorstep with a bass guitar in his hand. I asked him what that is about, and he said, "Well, do you want that bass ? I was given it from another guy I know, but since I don't know how to play, I thought you could probably use it. Probably just some cheap old crap, but maybe it sounds ok with some new strings on it."
 
Wow.
 
The first thing I noticed was the WEIGHT of it. I'm sure more than 10 pounds, that thing is solid and heavy. Then I checked the brand....Lado. Lado ? What the hell is that ? I google'd for a while and found out that this beauty is a hand-made bass by a Canadian guy called Lado from 1981, sold on ebay for as much as......US$ 2'500. Holy shit !
 
I've been trying to play bass on my electric guitar, but slapping on that isn't the real thing. It's fun to play a blues solo and throw in some slaps on the bass strings now and then (I can't play with the pick, so my fingers are free to do that), but that's not playing bass. So I plugged that gem into my guitar amp and WOW. What a sound. I went on Youtube and chose "Another one bites the dust" by Queen for a start on bass lines. Easy. Then I chose Jaco Pastorius and .... erm ... ok. No way to even follow that guy with my eyes !
 
Then, I looked for "bass for beginners" videos, found some and had absolutely NO chance to even repeat anything properly. I mean I know the fretboard pretty good from guitar, but the way to pick the strings on bass - nope.
 
So for the moment I just choose songs and play along to them. It sounds ok, but I know that the technical limit is reached pretty fast. Maybe I should leave the slap technique out and concentrate on 4/4 hard rock and blues. That's no problem.....but as a person which is rhythm focused, that's no fun....
 
But I tell you - when you need to come down from a hard day's work or are on your nerves - start to play bass. You cool down in no time and it's healthier than a downer or even a drink or a reefer.
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:38pm
Ryan
 
For once I reply because there's no insult in your comment. I'm not into likes but for a good discussion with different people. I never deleted anything from Ken or Lindsay on my threads, although they are about as far from my POV on most things as it can get. In fact, all I say that in future I don't tolerate primitive attacks on other commenters on my threads anymore which are only based on their POV and NOT on their way of communicating.
 
And I don't tolerate anymore when people don't care about the original subject of the article but start to redirect the discussion into stuff that has nothing to do with the article at all.
 
I know that I myself have done that too, and I will try to respect these rules on articles of other writers as well.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:44pm
Dale
 
There is a very fine line between "political correctness" and discrimination. Free speech MUST allow anything as long as there's no direct threat to the person involved. We must be able to write as we speak in daily live. Filtering leads to unithink and unibehave. 1984. Fabian rules for today's generation.
 
The only thing that unnerves me is when I read someone's POV and find out that it can NOT be a real POV because it's a cut'n'paste simplification of mass media slogans. That turns me off straight away.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:51pm
My new article about bass playing was put back to draft although 2 days limit was respected. And the draft is unusable, full or formatting signs. So, sorry, forget about it. I'm pissed off to the max.
 
Be careful on new articles, guys. You can never be sure how "48 hours" are defined....
FacePalm Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:02pm
SE-
i hope you'll forgive me for going off-topic, but i want to recommend my 3 favorite bass songs to Autumn:
"Ramble On"(Led Zep)
"Pinball Wizard"(The Who)
"I'm Your Captain" aka "Closer to Home"(Grand Funk Railroad)
 
Also, you can get the VLC media player as a free dl, and once you go to "view" window at the top toolbar and select "advanced controls," all you'll need to do next is figure out how to dl from youtube to a folder, then you can play back the song you wish to learn as slow as 1/4 speed, and the notes will stay on-pitch; you can also loop any section you may be having trouble with.
 
If i remember, you just got a bass guitar yourself, right SEFa?  If you've never heard those songs before, you might want to check out the bass lines in them and let me know what you think.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:06pm
Face
 
Great :-) I'll check these and get back to you. And thanks for the VLC hint. I already use that program but didn't know all the features.
 
Yep, I just published a bass article, but it has been taken down again although the 2 day limit was respected. Maybe I can restructure it.
FacePalm Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:35pm
SEFa-
You're welcome.  i love to do covers, so that feature has REALLY helped me, especially with some lead runs(though it takes for freakin' ever).
 
i was given a hand-made mandolin a week ago yesterday, and have just about got 2 of my 3 favorite mando songs down: "Losing My Religion"(REM) and "Battle of Evermore"(Led Zep).  Both of those had nice instructional vids with them, but the last, "Going to California"(Led Zep) is going to take some time with the VLC, because it's just a cover, at normal speed.  But with some patience, i'll get it ok.
 
I just checked the time-stamp on this article, and it looks like you'll be able to post your new one in about 6 hours and a few minutes; the time is roughly 1:38 here, and this article went up at 7:57, so a little patience and you'll be ok.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:40pm
Face
 
I'm not in the US and therefore it's difficult to calculate times, but see here:
 

NOW LOOK AT THIS SHIT. IS THAT THE FUTURE OF WB ? 
Dec 4, 2018 - 7:26pm

This one

LEARN TO PLAY BASS. IT COOLS YOU DOWN ! 
Dec 6, 2018 - 12:21pm

The new one
 
In my view these are more than 2 day of difference.
 
Mandolin ? Well, it's got strings too, 4 I think ? So that's easier, although....the thing is so small LOL
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:13pm
Nope. 12:21 PM is just after noon ... not even the end of the lunch hour. 
 
Cool deal with the bass and the mandolin. Zeppelin did some work with the bagpipes too ... pretty amazing ... especially for the times and the genre. 
FacePalm Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:17pm
That's curious.
i just looked at your opening post, and it says it was posted @ 7:57PM on the 4th.
7:57PM on the 5th would be 24 hours;
7:57PM on the 6th(today) would be 48 hours.
 
It is now 2:18PM EDST on the 6th, so in less than 6 hours, it should be fine to post the article about the bass.
 
But now, i finally get it.  It's not that Autumn has the bass - it's YOU!(i missed the part where she wrote that a "copy of your article" is below.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:26pm
Stone, do try to follow the rules.  For Pete's sake!!
 
Stop being stone-headed about things!!
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:40pm
Dale - who is this mythical "we"?  Who gets to decide what is or isn't hate speech? I respectfully disagree. The entire premise is bull shit. Speech is just that: speech. Can speech have a hateful tone? Well sure, but this is again entirely subjective.  It seems to me that you arrive from the school of thought that some speech is hateful and that it is the province of government or law to intervene. That is censorship. Say what you like. Talk is cheap
Autumn Cote Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:46pm
To be in compliance with the rules the soonest you can submit an article is on 12/6 at 7:26pm.  You submitted an article 7 hours too soon.  If you’re at all confused about the time, simply write a comment and compare that time to the time of your last article submission. 
FacePalm Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:51pm
SEFa-
This mandolin(and most of them) has 8 strings in pairs.
A guitar is tuned E A D G B E, as you know; the mandolin is tuned G D A E, (a pair of G's, a pair of D's, a pair of A's, etc.) or the reverse of the 4 thickest strings on the guitar - so all the chords are weird and different.  It's been a fun challenge to learn, though. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:13pm
Autumn
 
OK. I'll wait 3 days from now on. This is too complicated from Europe - or Africa, depending ;-)
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:14pm
Yes, math is quite complicated for liberals, that's quite true, Stone.  We completely agree on that.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:16pm
BTW: Ok, now I get it......12:21 pm means 12:21 h while 7:26 pm means 19:26 h. I hate that fucking AM and PM stuff LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:18pm
Face
 
Oh....that tuning would be a problem finding the regular bluez or jazz scales LOL
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:23pm
Stone: And I don't tolerate anymore when people don't care about the original subject of the article but start to redirect the discussion into stuff that has nothing to do with the article at all.
 
Your sycophant followers on here don't reference it, but your entire post is exactly this.  You read my article, didn't address a single one of the hundreds of facts presented, and dismissed it as hate.  Then you go on about me being off topic.
 
Total hypocrisy.  But you can't see it.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:36pm
Ryan
 
This is not about you, don't overestimate yourself. What I don't like about you is as follows:
 
1. You repeat over and over the same points that apparently preoccupate your life: Porn, homosexuality, religion and "liberals". Tiring.
 
2. As soon as someone has an opposite POV, you start labeling and finally insulting.
 
3. You haven't written so far ONE article that we all could enjoy and positively react to. You're a most bitter person that doesn't seem to enjoy life.
 
But you're not the only one. It's not everything about you. But you're by far the most narrow-minded person here IMHO.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:38pm
BTW: I said I don't like off-topics and will try to limit that on my and other articles.
 
But if a friend here throws in something POSITIVE should I delete that ? No, of course not ! I see this place as a sort of virtual family. And an off-subject comment might lead to a new article. Inspiration, if you know what I mean.
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:38pm
SEF,
As Ellen would say in character as Dory, "just keep swimming"
Let swamp thing be swamp thing and you be Torg
Cheers,
~The Bug~
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:48pm
Hey Buggie
 
Nice to see you here :-) I'll check back with Warg and Torg and will inform you about the outcoming LOL
Ian Thorpe Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:56pm
Dale, there is no such thing as 'hate speech.' It is a stupid, virtue signalling term made up by self righteous liberals.
Saying something like, "All ____________ must be killed," (Insert according to your prejudices: straight while males / gays / Muslims /blacks / liberals / fat people / people with ginger hair / Trump supporters) is and always was a crime in the liberal democracies, inciting violence.
Saying Mohammed was a paedophile is not hate speech though he wasn't, it's simply a case of applying modern values to a man who lived 1500 years ago in a society that had very different values to our.
Saying Mohammed was a bloodthirsty, woman - hating warmonger is not hate speech, we know from his writings it is truth. Some would describe it as hate speech however, because they fear the truth.
For the record, this site is dedicated to promoting free speech. You obviously oppose free speech, I will trust you to ask yourself the obvious question.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:02pm
All
 
Good job everybody, although I had to delete one comment of Ryan which fell into the old habits.....and I would like to thank Face for his off-topic comments about music. Why ?
 
Because music is a POSITIVE thing :-)
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:05pm
Agree with Ian, even though he's contemptuously dismissive of me.  Pretty normal for today's conservative libertine male.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:05pm
One more Ryan comment deleted. Sorry, pal, you're too stubborn to learn.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:10pm
Stone: Ryan
 
This is not about you, don't overestimate yourself. What I don't like about you is as follows:
 
Oh, but it is.  Simply look at whose article you referenced in your post.
 
1. You repeat over and over the same points that apparently preoccupate your life: Porn, homosexuality, religion and "liberals". Tiring.
 
They are the main threats right now, and they weren't threats 80 years ago.  So there's that.  Everything works in cycles, and when you know the rules, you know what consequences follow from what choices.  You don't study history and so you get frustrated at my warnings.  In 100 years, when you'll be dead, my words will be quite true.  You don't have that long to live though.  
 
2. As soon as someone has an opposite POV, you start labeling and finally insulting.
 
Yes, Open rebuke is better than secret love. There are reasons why people oppose my views, and we will explore those if need be.  
 
3. You haven't written so far ONE article that we all could enjoy and positively react to. You're a most bitter person that doesn't seem to enjoy life.
 
I've written many.  But love and joy is based on truth.  You want love and joy, but you are allergic to the truth that make them possible.  Truth makes life always enjoyable, even if I'm in a Concentration Camp.  Victor Frankl's book on the topic is amazingly inspiring, and so is Corrie Ten Boom's 'The Hiding Place'.  Both learned to be happy in Concentration Camps.  You liberals are unhappy at criticism.  You'd flip the hell out in a concentration camp.  Makes me laugh uproariously at the thought of some of you pansies trying to get used to your surrounding.  I'm almost crying over here thinking about it.  A lot of you liberals would be shot in the first 3 days of your stay in the Concentration Camp.  Jeff Michka wouldn't last 3 hours.  
 
But you're not the only one. It's not everything about you. But you're by far the most narrow-minded person here IMHO.
 
Thank you for that compliment, I do appreciate it.  My mind is not wide open, like a gutter, to catch all kinds of trash.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:12pm
Ian
 
Problem is that we're reacting to Zeitgeist and we forget that there was a time BEFORE when another Zeitgeist was valid, as you say. What is value today might not have been before and might not be valid in the future too.
 
There are different factors that define Zeitgeist for an era. Political systems, general wealth and health of the population. There are so-called "universal values" (who the hell even created that "universal" in it ?) which are generally respected when people are well off and educated.
 
If not, the animal comes back....when we live in a time of (provoked?) fear amygdala comes back in full force. Evolution is too slow to eradicate that.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:15pm
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:21pm
Ryan
 
A last warning: Stop it. No one on that planet has the capacity to define what "truth" is. You have your personal views, which means, it is YOUR "truth". Who defined "truth" ? People did. And people judge according to Zeitgeist again. Flat earth was "true" until Kepler came along. When "god" is your truth that's ok, but don't try to force your "truth" on others, because that's the same thing that you otherwise damn:
 
Fanatism.
 
IS people have their "truth" as well. There is no difference. You know what intolerance is ? When you accuse other people of intolerance, YOU'RE intolerant.....
 
Period. Bye, Ryan.
FacePalm Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:45pm
SEFa-
OK. I'll wait 3 days from now on. This is too complicated from Europe - or Africa, depending ;-)  
 
That will work.
However, if you ever get to the point where you feel you "can't wait," just figure out how many hours separate Switzerland from the E. coast of America.  i was once stationed in Wales, and if i remember right, that meant i was 5 hours ahead of the time on the east coast, because the sun rose on me, first.  i suspect that there may be 2 hours additional for you, so since your last article(this one) posted @ 7:57PM EDST, and assuming you're 7 hours ahead of us, that would make the time to post your article 0257 hours, or almost 3AM.  Also, any time after 3AM your time would work.
 
Now, if you're as lazy as myself, this should also help.  It's a time-zone calculator for spots between Switzerland and anywhere else on the planet.
ChetDude Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:55pm
Ryan: Fact challenged as usual.  But I'm glad you post here to expose your utterly bankrupt, mean-spirited, empty, counter-productive and bigoted "point of view".  They serve as a useful deterrent and inoculation against infecting otherwise decent human beings with your pathology.
 
Hitler was imprisoned for Insurrection, not "free speech".  He led a coup against a duly elected government.  What's amazing is that they let him out of jail at all.  Well, not too amazing since he had the support of a few rather well connected capitalists and Oligarchs.
 
Stone Eater:  Aloha!  My bass collection includes:
 
A Fender 5 String Jazz -- American made with active pickups
 
A Kala UBass (WOW!)
 
A 4 string fretless that started out life as an Ibanez: Warmoth Blank Ebony neck/fingerboard, Shaller tuners, EMG and Bartollini pickups and Bad Ass Bridge...all installed by my friend John Jordan.
 
A 5 string A5 Bass ULTRA Natural SG Fretless with flat wound strings.
 
And my pride and joy: a 6 string fretless, solid rosewood body with rosewood through neck, Ebony fingerboard with Heart of Abalone inlays and custom wound Bartollini pickups (passive!) that was custom made from scratch by John Jordan...and positively SINGS!  And weighs a ton!
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:13pm
Face
 
Cool, thanks :)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:15pm
Hey Chet
 
....give me lessons. A true connaisseur. Hope to see you on my bass article once I'm allowed to post it again LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:18pm
BTW: To be able to play fretless is the ultimate. I've tried it once on a fretless guitar.....it worked only halfway...after 40 years of playing. But I was never very fast being one who learnt all instruments autodidactic. But I have rhythm and feeling for music in my blood so that makes partly up for it.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:40pm
Well, gee Ryan, glad you know what I can take or can't.  How long were you in the culture wars concentration camp before they forced you to marry Vinny?  Then after Vinny consummated the marriage with you how long was it before they forced you to have an abortion?  Just curious.  New set of Turds due before Xmas?  I'll talk music with just about anyone, but draw the line on talking music with Faced or Mogg Turd.  Why?  As you note music is a joy, why would I want Cpl. and Capt'n Bring Down to share my joy.  Best wishes on using that bass, btw, SEFa.
ChetDude Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:47pm
Stone-Eater: After about 20 years of playing fretted basses, I started with the Ibanez that had fret markings and inlays where the "frets should be".  After a while, I found that my fingers already knew their way around the neck pretty well so after just a brief 4 or 5 years of playing the original was able to replace that neck with the blank Ebony one.
 
When I bought the 6-string, I MADE SURE that it had the visual aids installed -- inlays for frets and fret markers.
 
Interestingly, there are bass lines and figures that I can play on the blank fingerboards that the fret lines seem to inhibit on the other basses!
 
I like how this thread has evolved into our discussion about things of existential importance!
ChetDude Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:52pm
PS: A great resource for bass players is Scott's Bass Lessons.  He's VERY generous and has posted miles of excellent free videos on youtube.
https://scottsbasslessons.com/
Stone-Eater Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:53pm
Chet
 
Let me get back on this later. Good night and thanks for being here everybody :-)
ChetDude Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:53pm
PPS: A 4 string fretless bass is a WHOLE LOT easier to control than a fretless guitar.  Even after over 60 years of playing guitar, I wouldn't attempt to control a fretless one... :-)
Jeff Michka Added Dec 6, 2018 - 6:28pm
Gotta agree with Chet.  There are some remarable player's rEsources on YouTube.  It help the BDay Bash band rehearse.  the "How do you lead" questions got asked a lot less.  Practicing became more productive. The vast majority of music I 've played is cover.  It gets nice when it's easy.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 9:14pm
BTW, does anyone on WB ever read what Michka says anymore?  Just curious.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 6, 2018 - 9:32pm
 
To all the sane people on WB, does it make sense that you allow Michka with this filthy imagination and language, to post, but you delete comments that may bite but aren't obscene?  Can someone please explain this moral logic to me, because unless I become an expert in moral and mental gymnastics, it will never make sense to me.  This is why Democrats do so well in elections.  To hell with logic and reason, simply let the most corrupt and evil ones speak out and support them.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 6, 2018 - 9:33pm
Does Vinny still cum in your mouth, Lyin Ryan?  I really don't care if you read what I write or don't.  I try and avoid getting too deep in your bullshit, and what you need to do is cultivate losers like ol Geeho R, the man the elites don't want.  Geeho talks big that he doesn't read anything I write, but knows about everything I say.  How much did losing that election cost you out of your own pocket?  Frankly, defeated like you were, I'd rethink all the nonsense and "morals" you peddle here.  Musta been all those illegals voting against you, huh?  What a total running dog you are, Messianic.  You delete because that's all the power you have anywhere.  Kinda gets pointless canceling people's insurance policies, eh?  I'd love you if you recorded that fem voice of yours "rebuking" me.  Anyone would just look at your limp wrists.  And if you do, be sure to wear that nifty lil hat that make you look sillier than your bald pate does.  Shouldn't have spent so much time setting your hair on fire....LOL
Mustafa Kemal Added Dec 6, 2018 - 9:43pm
Ryan
"BTW, does anyone on WB ever read what Michka says anymore? "
 
I do
 
Mustafa
 
ChetDude Added Dec 7, 2018 - 12:05am
The major bug at WB is the Ryan Messano Turing Test...
 
It's a true waste of bandwidth...
Stone-Eater Added Dec 7, 2018 - 3:23am
Chet
 
You got that right. Although I told him to fuck off of this thread he keeps on writing and insulting other writers. 
Ward Tipton Added Dec 7, 2018 - 3:25am
"I do not hear two sides shouting at each other: I hear one side  presenting reason, another  presenting bullshit.  What is the difference: a civil tone and evidence.  
I no longer look in at the comments on my several articles since they are the same  idiots  ejaculating on the page. "
 
Yup, self evident. 
Gawd, this is hilarious! LOOOOOOL!
Stone-Eater Added Dec 7, 2018 - 7:57am
Yes it is. What Ryan does not understand is that he has an eerie fanatical way in his writings (I'm not saying that he doesn't justify what he thinks), and I've gotten allergic about his "leftist" bullshit in ANY article he comments on, even if it has nada to do with politics. He has a mental problem.
 
Jeff is a reflected guy who likes to provoke and then simply smiles about the reactions he gets. A guy who likes to travel and likes Italy is a guy who knows what the good life is. Italians are cool. And whenever one says they're indisciplined, chaotic and lazy - might be. But that makes them AUTHENTIC. Humans. Love hard, hate hard, emotions pure. But always ready to say: Ok, pal, take it easy. Life is a joke, not a preparation for a heart attack.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 7, 2018 - 10:13am
Michka is a harmless curmudgeon, whereas the Rev is a prime example why some of the most successful species on the planet eat their young. Sadly, spawned from a Petri dish as he was ,this rule did not apply
Stone-Eater Added Dec 7, 2018 - 10:22am
TBH
 
Ich mag einfach keine engstirnigen Fanatiker. Deshalb habe ich entschieden, dass ich hier einen Riegel schiebe. Irgendwo ist eine Grenze erreicht, und ich lasse mir nicht dauernd mein Zeug durch hirnlose Trolls kaputtmachen. Vor allem sollen sie sich auf mich beziehen, wenn schon, und nicht andere Kommentatoren in einen Kleinkrieg verwickeln !
 
Wo sind wir denn hier LOL
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 7, 2018 - 11:03am
Die Gedanke sind immer frei
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 7, 2018 - 11:39am
Where the hell is bitchin Mich today anyhow? Need him to verify something. I have a strong suspicion that Shark boy mock turd is in fact the mysterious Vinny....
Stone-Eater Added Dec 7, 2018 - 12:10pm
Hm.....no, I don't think so. Mika was here long before and Ryan tries to create a less homolike avatar. One that corresponds to his postings.
 
Sorry Ryan (c)Stone-Eater. Trademark.
 
No insult. Whatever - complaints may be deposed at the Human Rights Council, Belgium. Earth. Keyword: Inappropriate fixation on self-imagined imagination of non-acceptance by the environment and unfocused reactions thereon.
George N Romey Added Dec 7, 2018 - 1:45pm
Both Mika and Ryan are assholes. Ryan is on the lunatic side.  Mika likes to pat himself on the back that he told those horrible writers at WB a thing or two when in fact he just showed what an asshole he is.  Both are pieces of nothing.  As I said before they are both bookends on separate sides.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 7, 2018 - 2:21pm
George
 
That's your impression. But although I agree with your POV in general, you often come across as someone who thinks he's being disadvantaged in life, and you complain about it.
 
Hey man you're as old as me, and when you're afraid of the future I say: At a certain age one can be happy to have reached that age. And being 60 gives me more power than before because I know: I don't have 30 or more years left. And I notice that people appreciate my advice because I know life - not only in my country but in many other places.. And then I feel useful. The worst thing in life is feeling not useful, obsolete. But it's up to the person to do something against that.
 
Be positive !
 
The difference between Ryan and Mika is: Mika has life experience, Ryan has not. Mika might have a language that doesn't suit everybody, but it's authentic. Ryan, to me, is a guy who has read a lot, been influenced a lot, but doesn't have the capability to figure out if the POV he distributes is really HIS. He doesn't know himself.
Maybe a trip around the world would help.
wsucram15 Added Dec 8, 2018 - 1:48am
SEF..accurate assessment.  I like Jeff. He gives people a hard time and you have to say something once in a while, but he is intelligent from life.
As opposed to Ryan who aside from that Allstate venture.. what ever happened to getting married and running for political office Ryan? Im sure I can find out.  But its so much easier just asking you.
In this clip, substitute "Messano" in the appropriate places, lol:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdIID_TGwhM
Stone-Eater Added Dec 8, 2018 - 3:48am
"Hello, Mrs. Danvers ! Did you meet Frau Blucher ?" LOL
I think that both Mr. Messano and Mr. Michka are fucking hilarious in their unique ways, and have as much right to be here as anyone else. The one I want back the most is Marylin French, but a close equivalent of her would do, lol.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 8, 2018 - 4:11am
Politically Incorrect Trigger Warning Alert! 
 
(Lest anyone be offended and emotionally scarred from this observation
 
Fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics ... even if you win, you are appear retarded. Though granted, I have much more sympathy for the people actually participating in the special olympics ... and they do tend to be much more well mannered than the average members of society it seems. 
Hmmm...I like what Field Marshal Rommel said - "Don't fight battles when there is nothing to be gained by winning them."
George N Romey Added Dec 8, 2018 - 8:00am
After nearly 60 years on this Earth I can tell when someone is an asshole. Mika can take comfort in the fact the world is full of assholes. Since I have no use for assholes I have no use for Mika or Ryan.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 8, 2018 - 8:38am
you are appear retarded
 
No wonder.
 
(Joke, beware...;-)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 8, 2018 - 8:42am
George
 
Try to have more fun. Take life EASIER. That's all what I can say. I already invited you to Senegal for a break. I guarantee you there you won't think about either of them anymore LOL
George N Romey Added Dec 8, 2018 - 9:51am
SEF I actually do have fun.  I use WB as an outlet for brain exercising. The assholes on this site just make it more interesting and give me confidence in the person I am.  In other words I'm not an asshole. I mean really where else would you find some dumb ass claiming women shouldn't vote or writing letters to his local school board claiming they encourage students to view porn.  
Stone-Eater Added Dec 8, 2018 - 10:56am
LOL
 
There are a lot of narrow-minded and brainwashed idiots around, George. If it weren't so tragic I'd make more fun out of it !
George N Romey Added Dec 8, 2018 - 2:39pm
Why people make comments in Ryan’s moronic articles is beyond me. Really, would they go up to some bum admitting a strong odor of urine and attempt a rational conversation.
Don Added Dec 8, 2018 - 3:54pm
Flying Junior
Stone Eater
Jeff Mitchka
Tubularsock
Opher Goodwin
My muse just suddenly abandoned me. So, I had to take a hiatus. You may not believe this, but I honestly missed you guys. Anyway, I am back for at least for a little while. 
Don
FacePalm Added Dec 9, 2018 - 6:22am
The thing is, words are seeds.
If we choose to use our words to denigrate, smear, deprecate, diminish, scorn, heap contempt upon, or otherwise show how "others" are despised, those seeds will grow and bear a quite bitter harvest for the sower.
 
Be careful what seeds you sow.  Have a care how you speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your own words will you be condemned, in the end.  In the meantime, the spewer of vitriol is the one who is truly most burned by it.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 9, 2018 - 10:30am
Don
 
Nice, thanks :) Women....they come and go ;)