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Twenty years ago, in the summer of 1997, I visited London as a tourist. It must be admitted that from the very first minutes of acquaintance with this country it produced the impression of a very different world - not how England had been imagined for fifteen years spent studying its language, literature, and culture first in school, and then in two institutes. From the Soviet and post-Soviet far away, UK seemed to be such an illustration to the Dickens` books - a country frozen in self-contemplation, constantly rethinking its history, following which English became the main and only universally recognized international language. However, having taught the whole world to speak their own language, the English were not in a hurry to adopt from the world rules almost universally acting in it. That's why the first cultural shock for a tourist coming from Moscow was the fact that the bus that transported the group from Heathrow Airport to London suddenly went on the left side of the road.

 

This test was not for the faint-hearted since on the first kilometers it seemed that the luxury bus that had gone "against all rules" would now crash if not into an oncoming car, then into some bump. Surprisingly, the movement on the left side did not lead then to any accidents and troubles, and soon a group of Russian tourists with curiosity examined the houses and subway stations which were crawling outside the windows. All this architecture was so different from the usual Moscow building that it almost seemed as if it was nothing more than a theatrical scenery, and soon, when they finally run out, a "real world" will open around with the usual huge houses and wide streets. However, this expectation was not to come true, and soon the tourists, having gone to their hotels, have been already filling in the arrival cards on the couches at the reception desks.

 

The next, even more, powerful than the left-hand traffic, a shock, was the first walk along central London street. The plane came there in the middle of the day, and so the working afternoon was at its height, when white clerks sat in their offices, immersed in computers and documents. That's why there was a strong feeling that the plane was off course and instead of London brought everyone to some kind of Arab or Asian country. All the streets were filled with people of absolutely non-European origin and not even in European dress. A few passers-by, wrapped in something like white sheets, proudly carried the real turbans on their heads. As well as it is necessary to Indians, they were silent and looked somewhere ahead, and most likely not on street, but somewhere to meditative eternity. Nearby, groups of noisy, low men, reminiscent of Pakistanis or Afghans, scurried about. They roughly discussed something, and it can not be said that their speech was like English. Arabs, Indians, Asians, often dressed in their national dress and speaking their native languages - that's who made up the majority of passers-by in the Paddington station area at the very beginning of July 1997. At the same time, there were so many of them on the streets that even the white-faced passers-by appeared in the crowd almost like tourists, just as decided to visit this mysterious eastern country.

 

The very next day, this observation was reinforced by a young Arab who was distributing some flyers on the same patch. Trying to take from him one, I called the unbelievable surprise of the guy. It turned out that they were written in Arabic script, that is, they were originally intended only for Arabs, which, it is likely, he expected to meet on the street in large numbers. "You read?" - he asked me with a bewildered grimace, obviously not an Arab, and showed that the yellow leaflet was covered with mysterious wavy-curly letters. Naturally, I could not read them and refused to take the flyer. Only in the evening after the working shift in the central streets appeared "white", as they would be called in America, unexpectedly turned out to be in London a separate ethnic group, and yet not the fact that the most numerous one. Wearing business suits, they were hurrying with their suitcases in their hands on the subway, to the shops, home or somewhere else - that is, they were clearly distinguished by their vanity and disunity from the not in a hurry at all Hindus and the Pakistanis who spoke loudly in large groups.

 

Already at that time, a feeling arose that it were visitors from far-away southern countries who were dark-skinned passers-by in exotic outfits who made up the majority in this country, for some reason considered European and soaked with European culture. It turned out that in the large Garfunkel`s Restaurant on the corner near Paddington at the checkout near the scales where it was necessary to set up a plate with dishes gathered together on a buffet, an Asian woman stood, for some reason conditionally nicknamed by me as "Vietnamese", although she could be a Chinese woman, and a Korean, and a Mongolian, and the daughter of any other Asian country. Alive, mobile, greedy and at the same time cheerful, she never missed the opportunity to poke fun at the client, she did not resemble the cold and unsociable Englishwomen.

 

"You took everything!", she exclaimed with surprise and discontent, when on the second day of staying in this strange city I, having already studied the way of service in her restaurant, filled the plate with herring, salads, meat, crabs, and potatoes. In response to my objection that everything was done according to the rules of this restaurant, the little "Vietnamese" laughed and, remembering my visit the previous day, asked "Large Sprunklist?" - referring to the bank of fizzy drink, by color and taste reminiscent of Fanta. It was I who chose it on the previous visit, not finding in the list of the proposed beverages one or almost none of the names familiar to the European.

 

"Vietnamese" fed tasty, but a little expensive, stripping for dinner from eight to ten pounds, so I did not go to her restaurant anymore, but looked in a small cozy place nearby, just as suggested to the guest himself to fill the plate with the dishes of the buffet to your taste and then pay for the whole portion. Here above all, a swarthy middle-aged Indian man reigned, who, despite a serious and even gloomy look, took for a full plate of meat and some completely unfamiliar dishes just over two pounds. His food was cheap, tasty, but ruthlessly spicy, and only sitting down at the table I found out that the red pepper was generously sprinkled over meatballs, cutlets, and something like potatoes, and in general over everything I collected there in large quantities. After sitting in his small dining room for about two hours and eating everything, I involuntarily plunged in his silent society into a state resembling meditation, clearly felt in the cramped atmosphere of the hall, with almost total absence of other visitors, and now the world outside the windows seemed not to be some cheerful Vietnamese Holiday, but stream of Indian life focused on something. Thanking him for a delicious dinner and going out "to London," for a long time I felt like a yogi sitting on a lotus and staring at one point.

 

That is why a long time ago this country, in the center of the capital of which it was possible to visit first one Asian world, and then another one next to it, had had already little in common with Europe. Not surprisingly, in mid-March 2017, almost twenty years after that trip, the upper house of the British Parliament authorized the Prime Minister to begin withdrawing from the European Union. The bill was approved almost with a threefold preponderance of votes - 274 against 118. The Lords did not introduce amendments rejected by the House of Commons. The government opposed the amendments, and the chance of obtaining their approval was negligible. By and large, Great Britain was not in Europe, as it had been living for too long in its isolated island cultural and historical environment.

 

The fact that in London hotel they ask in the morning what kind of breakfast to serve - British or Continental - best of all referendums and bureaucratic decisions suggests that England has never felt like part of the "continent," that is, Europe, and preferred to live in its own way. It is unlikely that in its streets there will be fewer dark-skinned visitors - it has been colonizing the rest of the world for too long and let immigrants from all over the world come to British territory, so it is hard to believe that one of the reasons for parting with the EU is fatigue from labor and other migrants. England leaves the EU because it is foreign to it, and it is alien to it, so it is difficult physically, culturally and mentally to this geographically isolated state with strong island thinking to share political and economic space with EU.

 

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Comments

Webmaster Added Dec 5, 2018 - 8:41am
Here you can read the discussion of this article on Brexit subreddit
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:09am
Good one, but....
 
The UK has an inferiority complex due to the loss of its 'empire'. Quitting the EU is good (I'm Swiss LOL), but then ? The dependence on the US is given to the "special relationship" as long as Dump tweets in your favor.
 
If not what then ? The UK has to be very careful which side it chooses. The future, economically (resources) lies in Russia and Africa. Now, does the UK wants to be a part of Europe, a vasall to the US or an independent country ?
 
You choose...
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:13am
BTW: The EU is as obsolete as is NATO. They are no more than geostrategic control organisations for the profit of the US and its partner regimes in Western Europe.
 
Period.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:18am
BTW2.....little common with 'Europe' ? LOL. Where do you think the Vikings, Anglons and Saxons came from ? What about 1066 Normandy ? Check the Bayeux Tapestry. The UK has a fascinating history, but all came from....mainland "Europe"...
Webmaster Added Dec 5, 2018 - 10:54am
"Now, does the UK wants to be a part of Europe, a vasall to the US or an independent country ?"
Surely it wants to be an independent country. Yesterday there was a session of Parliament where Boris Johnson delivered a long persuasive speech which seemed to make great influence even on Remainers. It seems he told about borders control and the fact that international trade will not stop in any scenario of the deal or no deal. So even in the environment of pro-Remain further development he managed to find arguments which make me think that Brexit is not a danger for their economy but a fresh impulse which will give the UK an idea of how to produce more inside than to import from the EU.
"They are no more than geostrategic control organisations"
I even met such a point of view that the European Union is the fourth Reich, and Merkel became its Supreme Chancellor. Only this time Germany won Europe without firing a shot, simply spreading its economic influence. The fact they are going to have their own EU army shows that EU is tired of control by US and NATO. Surely they will promote this alternative army further on so to make US military influence in Europe weaker. Macron already seems to have supported the idea of creating such a new army.
"The UK has a fascinating history, but all came from....mainland "Europe""
Sure, but they have got the strong island thinking which changes anybody coming to live there from the mainland. In fact UK is not Europe but islands situated close to it. So when the convention of the continental section collided with geographic reality, then reality turned out to be stronger in the ratio 52-48 of votes of the Brexit referendum.
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:11am
Web - an interesting article. I lived in London for a number of years and my youngest son does now. I love its vibrancy and cosmopolitan culture. It hums and buzzes. You can sample anything from all parts of the world.
In terms of Brexit - it is a huge mistake. We need to get more involved with Europe. The elite Brits are an arrogant bunch of racists who think themselves superior. They are a pain in the arse - along with their old-boy networks, Masons and clubs. A lot different to most Brits.
I think leaving the EU will leave us a lot poorer and inward looking. It stinks.
Webmaster Added Dec 5, 2018 - 11:47am
Opher, thanks for the feedback, London is really a great place for tourists but:
1. In 1997 it was very expensive to stay there even for a week. All prices were 1,5 and probably more times higher than in Moscow which I considered to be the capital of luxury, waste and big easy money. It means that cash flow going through London was even more powerful than through Moscow which that time attracted huge crowds of migrants as appeared to be the only place for salvation from unemployment and poverty in all the former USSR.
2. Sorry for truth, streets were full of garbage even in the center. I remember Bond Street with cellophane garbage bags along the sidewalk. Picadilly Circus was surrounded by cigarette butts and  dirt was almost not cleaned.
3. The level of street crime went off the scale; once, two Latinos with huge knives chased me and two tourists in the evening on the way from Hyde Park and shouted something. We pretended to be deaf, for some reason they did not kill us, but passed by and hurried towards Paddington. It was in the light twilight about 18 hours. In Moscow, it was then possible to walk in the middle of the night, for example, at 24 o'clock and there were no any danger for life.
What about "In terms of Brexit - it is a huge mistake." - surely any separation from big market will be a shock to the economy. On Brexit subreddit a year ago I told them what happened soon after USSR collapsed: unemployment spread everywhere among former republics and many people had to urgently withdraw from the places and go in search of work to the big cities, mainly to Moscow, so as not to perish from poverty. Somebody answered me there "Do not even compare those situations!" Well, I also met the point of view that the cause of Brexit is that Britons want to rule themselves but not to have the power over them in Brussels. So probably there is a powerful psychological motive to exit EU but the same time wide debate is going almost only around the economic consequences of Brexit.
Neil Lock Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:32pm
Webmaster: A fine article. I think that you, as a visitor who obviously takes note of what he sees, probably understand English people (of whatever birthplace or racial origin) better than the English elites do. But you should have gone out into the countryside, and visited some country pubs!
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2018 - 2:38pm
Web - yes you are right about the garbage - it's bad. But I think it's getting better. And yes - it is incredibly expensive. They particularly fleece tourists. You have to know where to go and it's still expensive. As Neil said - you should get out in the countryside and a real pub to find the real England. It's cheaper and different - in some ways better in other ways not.
In terms of violence - I've never experienced any - and I visit often and walk about a lot. Maybe I know the areas to avoid?
Webmaster Added Dec 5, 2018 - 4:59pm
Neil, Opher, thank you so much indeed for the most unusual piece of advice, LOL, surely pubs in your countryside must be wonderful. I had a little experience of such a kind there in London probably not far away from Marble Arch as entered there a very little pub which appeared to be overcrowded by men! This was not all the shock as they were not as gloomy as night, and did not look for a reason to fight, but were cheerful and what was especially surprising - they spoke loudly, and all at once! This is what a civilized approach to drinking is like - no one beats anyone and no one complains about life, but they spend time with pleasure, albeit in a very close pub! But the prices there certainly shocked me, when I saw the cost of a pint and a quart of beer, I realized that this money would be enough for a whole day of good food at McDonalds. But there, a little further on Oxford Street, I bought on sale for only 50 pounds an excellent leather jacket, which I still wear, so that pleasant memories have been preserved without a pub :)))
 
"They particularly fleece tourists." - you are right, for example you have there a train to Windsor from Paddington railway station close to which we lived in hotels and the train ticket cost just 18 pounds. But we went there by bus although were told it was really hard to rent one as nearly all the tourist buses were busy because of Wimbledon Tournament. Well, so each of us paid 40 pounds for the bus tour to Windsor and back although we could go there and back to London by train for 36 pounds and walk a little from Windsor station to the Castle.
 
Opher, surely, after 18.00 avoid the London Street which goes from Hyde Park to Niki Hotel and some deserted streets which you can see at the pictures I made there. Those are ones on the page of target="_blank">my site: first is right under the bus "Sightseeing Tour of London" with 6-floor white building near the crossroads with traffic light and black cab with yellow license plate. The second one is an empty street with a woman, you can see her back there, she goes away along a white sculptural fence standing along a light brown house.

From the bus, we were also shown the Thames Embankment, where Jack the Ripper was walking some time ago, but it made such an eerie impression that the tourists asked the driver to quicker go further on, and I didn’t take a picture of it, and certainly did not go there.
Even A Broken Clock Added Dec 5, 2018 - 5:30pm
Webmaster, welcome to WB. I missed your first post but will look it up. What is your current place of residence? Thanks.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:47am
London is actually, by legal definitions, a City State and one of the primary financial capitols of the world. 
Webmaster Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:37am

Even A Broken Clock, thanks, nice to meet you and WB, many thanks to Autumn for the invitation to come here, I live in the former USSR, here is my first post, you can also find me as Webmaster in Disqus on Mad Mad World channel. If you are interested in exposing the true nature of Soviet communism, then you can read my article target="_blank">Inconceivable law of the mind.
If you are interested in the reverse side of communism and socialism, you can also watch, how after the collapse of the USSR, Soviet communist leaders were hiding the huge amounts of gold they had stolen from the country, forcing their party`s treasurers to commit suicides, in the movie Gold of the Party from the point 54:40.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 2:51am
As a poster on Disqus whereby my article is currently awaiting being unblocked ... though I do apologize for posting on an unrelated thread there. 
Webmaster Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:19am
Ward Tipton, explore Brexit subreddit, I have met there wide-educated moderator StrixTechnica, he knows really a lot about world policy and economy, here is one of our debates with him (I am DrivingideaRu there), many new participants have come there recently, so it becomes more and more interesting to read it.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:29am
I would be happy for the moment if you would just unblock the comments on the America the Legal (But not Lawful) PLEASE! 
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:31am
One thing I have revealed here, is that my legal fiction ceased to exist in 2012. I have not existed as a legal person since then. I use many different names at present, until such a time as I can rebuild a new legal fiction and get back into the rabbit hole. (You would have to read some of my articles here to understand LOL) but I will be checking it out and posting there perhaps ... long as my chit ain't getting censored LOL
Webmaster Added Dec 6, 2018 - 3:35am
Ward Tipton, to be honest, I still do not understand how I can help you, as on Disqus, I can only moderate my site, but other channels have their own moderators, so just tell what you want to the one that controls your channel.
Webmaster Added Dec 6, 2018 - 4:35am
Ward Tipton, I agree with the fact that "London is actually... one of the primary financial capitols of the world.", as the high prices on everything in London tell that the cash flow going through this city is huge. But now because of Brexit new world financial capitals appear - Frankfurt and Paris, moreover Hong Kong is going to become one.  So competition for global financial services is growing and the flow of money through London may fall, which will cause lower prices there. The same time prices in these 3 cities will start to grow even on the bus ticket.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 5:41am
London will remain one as surely as the Vatican and DC. Hong Kong works directly under the London people ... notice the top three at HSBC in their "Private Banking" and "Off Ledger Transactions" are the Brits? Based in HSBC London? 
 
Various others, such as Deutschbank work in cooperation with the US ... it is a global system, the city may collapse around them, but the banksters will remain. 
 
RE Disqus ... I believe I did post that in your channel no? 
Webmaster Added Dec 6, 2018 - 6:37am
"RE Disqus ... I believe I did post that in your channel no? " - now I`m too busy to read every article on Disqus where I am being invited so I do not know whether you published your article there. I checked my own Admin panel on Disqus and it told me "Nice work! You`ve moderated all Pending comments." So you did not post anything at my channel.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 7:22am
Just now got an email. It was a channel that you post on frequently. However, I think I may have a way to rectify it. Again, apologies ... thought Mad Mad World was your channel. 
Webmaster Added Dec 6, 2018 - 8:01am
You are welcome, by the way follow Mad Mad World as its STFB and WhyNot moderators use to find nice topics to discuss and I used some of them for my articles. I also watch there Greg Hunter and his WatchDog channel when have time enough, and now Dave Janda started his own videochannel too, but now I have to think a little bit of money earning as Soviet communists deceived everyone and did not build communism neither by the 1980, nor by the 1990, and in 1991 they were overthrown, as a result capitalism won, so now it is necessary to pay for all the joys of life with money, LOL-LOL. By the way on the 9th of December there will be an important discussion in London about Brexit, you can follow its live updates on Guardian newspaper.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 10:56am
I hope to be getting internet this week. Finally got electric back after almost two years. Try earning a living when you do not exist. Talk about a long strange trip LOL Once I have solid connections, I will be spending a great deal more time online. 
Ian Thorpe Added Dec 6, 2018 - 11:47am
Stone, we're not all obsessed with 'the special relationship,' I had a very good response on a UK news site when I wrote suggesting we should go for hard Brexit (no Brussels imposed laws or rules,) and then as the EU is FUBAR we should declare our support for the Russo - Chinese move to dump the $US as reserve currency and offer EU members the chance to join the British commonwealth (free trade without the federal European superstate bollocks.)
I rate that a great plan. Even the French will be invited so long as they issue a statement admitting that at Crecy, Poitiers, Azincourt and Waterloo the good guys won, and that British cheese is better than French cheese.
Ward Tipton Added Dec 6, 2018 - 12:42pm
Ahhhhh, and bangers and beer are great too ... but the Bourdeaux region and Burgundy ... nobody can match their wines! 
Sunshine Kid Added Dec 6, 2018 - 1:04pm
I was in England in the early 1960s.  What is described in this article is more like what I experienced in the mid 1980s - in Egypt.  I was there for 90 days on military assignment, and definitely would have no plans to return to that country, ever.
 
In 1963, I often rode the train from High Wycomb into London or Watford.  The ride was comfortable, cheap, and the locals were very friendly.  I think I remember one person that scowled at me.  Must have been a bad day for that person.
 
I often went swimming in Burnham Beeches.  Those days were pleasant, and I remember them with fondness.  I have a good friend here who is 80 years old, and he swears he will never go back to England due to the social shift from traditional English values.  He is so "English" that he hates to be called a "Brit".
Webmaster Added Dec 7, 2018 - 6:42am
I agree with the fact that train is cheap there. Only after a trip I learned that we could go to Windsor by train right from Paddington station and save money on renting a bus. Locals are really very friendly and moreover have got nerves of steel. When I tried to explore London outside Westminster and traveled by metro to some remote quarter so that had to start looking for a way back, a young man in a business suit and with a briefcase waiting for the metro train helped me. He patiently explained me how to return to the city centre although he saw that I understood him with great difficulty and therefore I asked him again the same question several times. At last he started explaining something like "First the underground train goes over the ground and then it dives into the tunnel and goes further on under the ground". And the second similar situation was once in the evening when I went from Paddington to Picadilly Circus by underground and for some reason was not sure that I have chosen the right way. So I asked some man in the wagon to check my route by underground map, he took it and asked for advice for some other man. As a result it seemed to me that 3 or 4 passengers consulted together on this question and soon the first man gave me the map back telling "Yes, you are going the right way".
opher goodwin Added Dec 7, 2018 - 9:32am
Web - I think in any city in the world it is best to avoid the dark side-streets and estates. But there's plenty of safe, crowded, well-lit and good places to go at night.
Webmaster Added Dec 7, 2018 - 12:13pm
Sure, Picadilly was a great place of interest, crowds of tourists walked along this street, they were from different countries of Europe, everywhere were posters of the musical "Les Miserables", someone from our group boasted he had seen some musical in the local theatre, but the cheapest ticket cost 18 pounds so "not this time" I thought. I have noticed money are spent in London very quickly so my 500 USD for a week were a "poor tourist level". Most members from the group took there 1500 USD for a week so they tried beer in the pubs, tried cab services, visited Tussauds, London Dungeon, lived in 3+ stars hotel, went to Stratford, Greenwich, Stonehenge, bought a lot of clothes. Some woman even managed to cure teeth there. You can have a great time in London, but you have to take there as much money with you as possible.
Thomas Napers Added Dec 8, 2018 - 3:28am
Nice writing.
 
As it relates to your last paragraph, you could say pretty much the same thing about every country in Europe.  In other words, every country on the continent can claim they lived their own way and are different physically, culturally and mentally from the rest of Europe.  The fact you have a relatively small body of water separating you from the rest of Europe is a trait shared by several countries in the EU. 
 
So let’s call a spade a spade, leaving the EU is your way of saying “fuck you” to the rest of Europe.  That’s the honest truth and it’s truth that resonates all over the globe.  In other words, America has said the same with the election of Donald Trump and other nationalist leaders are on the rise. 
 
At the end of the day, it’s critically important for global peace and prosperity that we all get along and find some common ground.  The EU is one of those institutions that attempts to do that.  The fact of the matter is that whether you’re in the EU or out of the EU, you’re still a part of Europe and you will still find a way to travel and trade with the rest of Europe.  The EU simply looked for ways for this to be done orderly.  If the institution overstepped its role, then I suppose you were justified in telling it to fuck off.  I honestly don't know, I just know that last paragraph was a load of crap.  
Webmaster Added Dec 8, 2018 - 9:52am
Thomas Napers, surely every country is different, moreover there are some differences inside the countries making them divide from within like Czechoslovakia did. It`s really great to call a spade a spade so probably you did not pay attention to the fact that I wrote a travel review from the point of view of the Soviet and post-Soviet citizen. So by definition I was not (and am not) a UK citizen but I am a novice political journalist who had some tourist experience of spending time in London in 1997. So I do not leave the EU as I am not its member-country citizen and look at Brexit like an outside observer. I have been exploring Brexit subreddit for some time and learned that there were many reasons why vote Leave won. The discussion on this topic is still going on there, but the summary can already be done:
1. Halt uncontrolled migration.
2. Take back control over borders.
2. Brits want to rule themselves but not to have their government in Brussels.
I witnessed rapid collapse of the USSR, it was the quickest and the "hardest" (using Hard Brexit analogy) version of neighbour republics` divorce on Earth and it was carried out by ruling communists despite the vote for integrity of the USSR given at referendum by 70% of citizens. That divorce happened probably during some weeks and in more general form during some months. Well, there were many promises of better life but the unemployment and poverty came very soon after separation. That performance is still on stage but "better life" appeared to be the end complete of production, science and education in those republics which were getting these joys of life from the centre of the former big country.
I agree a lot with your third paragraph, but:
1. EU has its own bureaucracy, which is criticized by europeans for the slow adoption of some important economic decisions, for example in the banking sector`s regulation.
2. Pay attention to the fact that free movement, customs union and single market given by EU are closely connected with EU membership. So to get this bonuses country must be EU member.
3. Any country can trade with Europe not being EU member, moreover tourists can come there if they are given visas. For example, to get UK visa in 1997, I had 2 interviews in British Mission in Moscow, the 1st one lasted 10 minutes and the second was 40 minutes long with many questions. But as a result the visa was given.
4. UK has left-hand traffic, its hotels offer breakfast which is British or Continental and it was UK who set a referendum on Brexit and voted "out". So the last paragraph of my article is based on facts of reality.
Thomas Napers Added Dec 9, 2018 - 5:40am
Whether or not you’re a UK citizen makes no difference to my reply or my core point.  My core point is that the UK has as much cause to exit the EU as every other country currently in it.  For example, the three reasons you stated the UK should desire to leave the EU (migration, border control, governance) are common concerns of all countries in the EU.  The fact you keep bringing up the fact the Brits don’t like continental breakfast, is only helping to make my point. 
 
Regarding, my third paragraph, if the EU overstepped its rule, any unhappy country should leave.  If I were among the leadership at the EU, outside of doing everything in my power to make every country in it happy, those that decide to leave should face stiff penalties. You can be sure that if the UK leaves without penalties, the rest of the EU will have far less importance.  It’s kind of the same thing that happened with the Euro.  If the UK had participated, it would have been a much stronger currency.  
Sunshine Kid Added Dec 9, 2018 - 6:41am
Thomas Napers, in other words, you'd hold the EU together at the point of a gun if you cannot make them happy enough to stay?  I say "point of a gun" because you did state that for them to leave would be tantamount to issuing penalties if the participants want to leave.  In other words "don't leave without permission, or I'll make life miserable for you."
Webmaster Added Dec 9, 2018 - 7:13am
Thomas Napers, in summer of 2017 the divorce bill was actively discussed by EU and UK, and it quickly grew from 20 billion to 60 billion (USD or GBP - I do not remember). And if I remember it right way, the long discussion between Davis and Barnier was held in the form of a standoff around what concessions both divorcing parties must make. For some time I did not follow Brexit events and recently opened that some of the EU leaders, may be Tusk, told that neither of the sides negotiating Brexit should be (or was) defeated. Thus, for about a year, the philosophy of political discussion changed from an obvious bargaining to looking for the best possible compromise, that is why now speaking of stiff penalties does not mean starting from real politics, but building theories.
Johnny Fever Added Dec 10, 2018 - 8:27am
I think votes directing what politicians should do while in office are ridiculous.  If you don’t like what your favored politician is doing, vote for ones that campaign on the principles you support.  Brexit was bound to pass because the structure of the exit was never a part of the vote.  So in theory leaving seems plausible and better than the status quo but in practice there are details that the voters were never informed of.  I don’t think the politicians understood the details and logistical problems of exiting the EU.  They still don’t, that’s why nobody is happy with how it’s being implemented.
 
As for the concept Britain is “isolated.”  Perhaps during the days of Vikings the Island was isolated.  Thanks to boats, planes, phones, the internet and the Chunnel, Britain is no longer isolated. 
Webmaster Added Dec 10, 2018 - 4:38pm
"I don’t think the politicians understood the details and logistical problems of exiting the EU." - really the truth, they were sure that Brexit will be smooth and nice, with UK putting its demands on the table and EU just accepting them. In Brexit subreddit there is a joke about the weak negotiating team from UK.
"They still don’t, that’s why nobody is happy with how it’s being implemented." - moreover, today it has become clear, that the structure of the Brexit has all chances to become "cliff edge" or "no deal" like it recently was renamed. There is a huge discussion now on this topic in Guardian,there are already 26303 comments now, and it seems that they will be more than 30 thousand, although usually the number is just more than 2 thousand.
"Thanks to boats, planes, phones, the internet and the Chunnel, Britain is no longer isolated. " - it`s really a great thing, but the island thinking is probably still present there as it was not France or Portugal for example to start exit, but UK.