China is now quite capable of economic war

China is now quite capable of economic war
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Trump's war with China is not about trade but to destroy China's power. But Trump is the latest President to take up this issue. It began in 2000 when the four major Auditing firms in China were American and back then they saw what China is going to become.

 

America would have stopped China's growth had it not been for 9/11 and then again the 2008 depression. But that gave China, who was aware of America's plans to take her down, to develop alternative banks, organizations and invest heavily in the One Belt One Road Eurasian transport infrastructure. China also became a major gold purchaser partly to switch to a gold backed currency and partly to have sufficient gold reserves to buffer China when she starts selling our bonds.

 

China has also created the Petro Yuan. In total China is now quite capable of this economic war. It is still going to hurt her as well as America but now China has alternatives that she did not have in 2000. Beginning in 2017 China is shifting a good deal of maritime trade to her railways. Unlike the oceans, China is the sole owner of the railways that now traverse old silk roads and new pathways across the Eurasian region.

 

They do not hug the coastline of continents going from harbor to harbor, Instead these railways cut across the land, going directly to cities across Asia and Europe and will go into Africa. That kind of hard wiring has never been done before.

 

Along with China's railways are China's harbor connections. She intends to dominate transport and significantly cut the cost. Along with these railways are Russia's gas and oil pipelines that feed China, Europe and Asia.

 

China is investing in alternative markets to bypass the American market and also to bypass the American dollar.

Comments

Ryan Messano Added Dec 14, 2018 - 2:34pm
 
China is a dangerous foe.  I'm reading 'The Naked Communist', and the maddening thing is America had a chance to destroy Mao and the communists if they would have just backed Chiang Kaishek and the Nationalists.  But, we were infiltrated by communist Democrats, and we still are, and they stopped American military assistance, thus allowing a brutal tyrant to take over.  Communism is evil, and if we don't take China seriously, we will pay a very heavy price. 
George N Romey Added Dec 14, 2018 - 2:40pm
What Trump is attempting to do is either encourage manufacturers to bring factories back home and for China to open its markets so that we have a market for exports.  The issue Trump misses is that new modern factories are and even more so will employ far fewer people.  The day of the 2,000 man facility are going away.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 14, 2018 - 3:35pm
Michael
 
All this will happen except when the US feels cornered for the first time (the Russians know about that in between) by the exterior and decides to start bombing. I trust they woiuld. Losing an empire is not what empires want.
 
Greetings from Europe - maybe once more the battlefield between rival powers.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 14, 2018 - 3:43pm
China has a phony two-tier currency that is not traded on Forex and has massive internal debt and now the tariffs are slowing their economy. This is not a rosy scenario. China's mercantilism is crumbling and she must play fair in the world commerce stream or others will eat her lunch. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 14, 2018 - 4:08pm
Ok. But China has a diverse economy, they deliver quality stuff in between, they have a large work force and low wages. They don't have internal problems except with Tibet or the Uigurs where they admittedly simply "integrated" another people into China. 
 
But what does the US export except weapons ? Cars ? Not anymore. Quality machines ? Nope. Food ? Maybe corn or so, no idea. WHAT the US has is a monopoly on the Internet and many brillant IT people. But IT doesn't provide your daily bread. That needs a farmer and a baker. And most of the gadgets and cheap textiles etc. come from - China.
 
Don't accuse the Chinese. Smack the CEO of Wal Mart for example. They are responsible for such situations by importing anything from diapers to fridges cheaper. Because an American worker is more expensive. Happens all around the world, also here in Europe.
 
It's called neoliberalism, no ? Free market, laissez-faire capitalism. So when you accuse others to copy your ideology and then complain you got a 2 on the back.
John Minehan Added Dec 14, 2018 - 6:43pm
OBOR does not work economically. 
 
However, since it gives the generations born during the years of the one-child-policy (which are very gender imbalanced) an outlet it serves an important purpose for the PRC.
 
It is something like what the Ming Dynasty did in allowing a lot of the population of coastal China  (who tended to oppose the Ming Dynasty) to move out into the 1st and 2d Island Chains as a relief valve for people who would have fed instability.   
Leroy Added Dec 14, 2018 - 7:07pm
China doesn't have a real currency.  Don't believe me?  Try converting your dollars to RMB.  You get a much better deal in China than outside of China.  I would like to see China back the RBM with gold.  It would be a hoot.  China could no longer be a currency manipulator.  It would never survive.
 
The Belt and Road initiative is China's version of making China great again.  Sounds good, but it is fraught with unworkable implementations.
 
China's biggest problem that it hasn't overcome is that it is a nation of close enough.  We live in a precision world.  You say that there are many fine products coming out of China and that it true.  Buy the same thing in China and it's crap.  If the West pulled out of China, China would collapse.
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 14, 2018 - 7:07pm
Ryan Messano: I am new here. Guess this is the method to reply. I just wrote an article about the Cold War and how the book "Naked Communist" fitted into that war. It was a war in which both sides lost. We lost due to attacks on our culture and traditions, through methods tried and tested in the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism which also finds a reference in that book, out of which came the 45 Communist Goals to destroy America. From #16 on down has been accomplished a while ago.
George Rooney: He cannot bring those jobs back when the cost to make them is too much. That was the reason for outsourcing. We also lack the labor force to simply switch. So far the "battle' has been based on tariffs which ironically impact the American consumer. We the consumer are on the front lines of this 'war", not the soldier. Our pocketbook is the weapon. In addition, Trump is waging 2  wars. One is with China and another is a currency war using the dollar as a weapon in financial sanctions. That alone is causing all kinds of problems. Xi Jinping has repeatedly asked for talks and Trump turned him down. Trade disputes between trading partners can only be solved through talks. Trump is in full attack mode. 
Mogg Tsar The reason I see this as a war is mainly because Trump turned down China's leader on any talks and now has included all of China's exports to be slapped with tariffs. Months ago China has decided to treat this as a full-scale war against her and Trump has done nothing to dissuade that opinion. 
Stone Eater: When Corporate America decided to outsource our entire manufacturing base including a good deal of our service industry they took the jobs from middle-class workers who were earning say 50 thousand dollars per year and gave them to Chinese workers who did the same job for say 15 thousand dollars per year. The savings were transferred to the shareholders of these companies creating the greatest shift of wealth from the Middle Class to the upper 1% of America. that wealth gap is rapidly widening. Corporate America did that, not China. It began in the 90's when the Soviet Empire collapsed.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Dec 14, 2018 - 7:11pm
 
Be nice, Mogg, or Stone will pick up his toys, run to Momma, and leave WB:).
Ryan Messano Added Dec 14, 2018 - 7:15pm
Welcome to WB, Michael B #2:), you are much more polite and refined than Michael B #1:).  Very profound remark.  However, Michael B. #1 has courage, and that's the virtue that makes the rest possible.
 
Ryan Messano: I am new here. Guess this is the method to reply. I just wrote an article about the Cold War and how the book "Naked Communist" fitted into that war. It was a war in which both sides lost. We lost due to attacks on our culture and traditions, through methods tried and tested in the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism which also finds a reference in that book, out of which came the 45 Communist Goals to destroy America. From #16 on down has been accomplished a while ago.
 
Quite true.  Among those goals in 1963 were to legalize porn, homosexuality, and drugs, and we have dozens on WB who will argue that these should be legal, becuz….'muh First Amendment', 'muh Freedoms', 'muh liberties', and the biggest one....to avoid 'muh Police State'.  LOL. 
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 14, 2018 - 8:10pm
It is interesting that Porn was used as a weapon against Palestine and now is being used on Iran.  There is an excellent article on the birth and spread of the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism". It is titled.
"The Birth of Cultural Marxism: How the Frankfurt School changed America" (Zero Hedge fund). Worth the 3 or 4 minutes of reading time.
Also
"Is Cultural Marxism America's new Mainline Ideology" (Zero Hedge Fund). 
If you read them please let me know what you think about them, especially George Lukacs and his concept of "cultural terrorism"
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 14, 2018 - 8:13pm
Ryan: I didn't see any difference between Michael B 1 and 2. I thought I am the same. 
Ken Added Dec 14, 2018 - 8:51pm
Trump's war with China is not about trade but to destroy China's power.
 
totally agree. That is why when I ranted about Trump's tariffs, I specifically excluded tariffs on China because they weren't about the trade deficit, they were about national security.
 
China's theft of our IP by forcing companies doing business there to share it, and many of our military secrets (look at most of their newer jets, ships, etc and they are carbon copies of jets, ships we currently have in service).  They are blatant about it, they don't even try to be subtle.
 
They need to be put down and I don't know if Trump's strategy will work or not, but he is the first one to at least stand up to them.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 14, 2018 - 9:06pm
If, as some herein claim, China isn't perceived by the warmongering terrorist regime in Washington as a threat why then is DUHmerica spending billions in the countries adjacent to it, stationing War College graduates as so-called Ambassadors and in at least one case working hard to ensure that one election is won by DUHmerica's long time bought and paid for convicted felon fugitive ex-prime minister?
 
DUHmerica will blow up the world before it becomes second fiddle to any other world power. 
Ryan Messano Added Dec 14, 2018 - 9:08pm
Wow, quite interesting.  Those articles might have been the two most insightful I've ever read on WB, and I'm not big on compliments.  I recommend everyone read those, and if you can do an article on it, that would be great.  I think I read the first one long ago, but it's great to refresh it, and that is exactly what is happening in America.  This sentence is profound!  'Marcuse believed that it would be a victim coalition of minorities—blacks, women, and homosexuals.'  That cultural terrorism is exactly what is happening in America today.  All the liberals on WB, and the pseudo conservatives are the victims of it. 
 
Michael B changed his name, to.....I think....Mr. Congeniality.  He has been on here 3 years. 
Ken Added Dec 14, 2018 - 11:26pm
You are overstating the interdependence between China and America.  China is far more dependent on America than the other way around.  Even though they hold so much of our debt, their economy is really dependent upon ours, just because we do a lot of cheap production in china, our economy is not as dependent on them.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 10:56am
Mogg 
 
S-E, that is the most ignorant rant I've read in a while and that is saying a lot
 
Ok. And do you expect that I respect you when all you can do is answer with a 4-liner that provides no counter argument ? If you have something to say, please answer according to the subject, don't get personal and use a sort of English that even a dumbass as me understands LOL
 
BTW: It doesn't fit when one plays Shakespeare on one side and on the other shows intolerant behavior. Education is not only mastering a language. Ist das ok für dich ? Ou bien tu préfère que je t'écris en Français ?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 10:58am
Ryan
 
Shut up.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 11:00am
M. Bagala
 
Fully agree. That corresponds to what I know from the outside.
Adolf Dick McMenace Added Dec 15, 2018 - 11:08am
Chinks make Jews look like philanthropists, so we'll soon settle it one way or the other.
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 15, 2018 - 12:05pm
Ryan Messano: Thanks for the feedback on those 2 articles covering "Cultural Marxism". Ever since I read them I understand why America's culture has declined so rapidly. We are a shell of our former self. The only way for America to pull out of this decline is to fully understand the role Cultural Marxism has played.
Michael Bagala is my name and so is Bernard Wijeyasingha. Both are legal names. and I have never been in Writer Beat before. 
Ken & Mogg: There are reasons why China's power poses a threat to America. As I see it:
China is now the world's largest consumer of oil and gas. That means China is playing a greater role in the Middle East. when it comes to oil/gas the ME is the energy center of the world. China is on the side of Iran and has consistently voted against Israel in the SC.  China is the reason why Pakistan became a Nuclear power. Pakistan is the reason why N. Korea and Iran became nuclear powers. The rise of China is going to be at the expense of Israel's power.
 
In addition to Pakistan, N. Korea, and Iran being allies to China in one way or the other, China also plans to extend the Silk road through Iran, into Turkey and from there, into Europe. That is one of 2 routes into Europe. the 2nd is through Russia. 
 
China's SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Org) and Russia's CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Or) share the Central Asian Muslim nations as members and the SCO includes Russia as a member. It is not an alliance between China and Russia but pretty close to one. 
 
China will form an alliance with Russia, either this year or next. Regardless the power already manifested in the SCO/CSTO allows Russia and  China to slap a no-fly-zone over that entire area -from the South China Sea to the east to Eastern Europe- to the West, basically paralyzing all transcontinental flights including Jets. 
 
In our wars, in the ME we need access to military outposts in places like Kyrgyzstan, which is a member of the CSTO/SCO.  China can cut that link anytime, so can Russia. The CSTO has a combined air force and a rapid strike force similar to NATO.  I can cover so many aspects of China in regards to her reach across the globe but I will stop at this level of the SCO.  
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 15, 2018 - 12:18pm
Ken, Mogg, Ryan, Stone Eater:
China formed BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa). The bank of BRICS is in Shanghai & BRICS has a population of close to 3 billion. South Africa is in the news because the white Farmers stand to lose everything. What has not been said in the Media is the massive mineral wealth of South Africa. DeBeers controls not only diamonds and Gold but also a slew of other minerals including rare earth. South Africa's mineral wealth includes oil, gas, metals, gems, uranium, and much more. That wealth is basically controlled by Africa's largest Jewish population. A good deal of the profits goes to America and Israel. 
Because of this conflict between China and America, China can step in to influence Pretoria to aim at DeBeers and those who control the real wealth of South Africa, including her banking system. Between China and India, they have the manpower to quickly replace those in South Africa and cut that avenue of wealth from America and Israel. The way tensions are going I would not put it past China. China has big ambitions in Africa that America never had. With one stroke China can hit both America and Israel through BRICS.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:20pm
Michael
 
You second name sounds as if your were Singhala. But otherwise:
 
BRICS would have a real chance but the US won't allow it. Note: Arms and weapons are still the stuff which decide the end game. And there the US has a clear advantage IMHO.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:34pm
Stone-Eater
 
"And there the US has a clear advantage IMHO."
 
The US Dooms Day Poseidon  stops any heavy nuclear war by anybody, but opens the door for low-yield tactical nukes.
 
"With one stroke China can hit both America and Israel through BRICS."
 
This notion presumes a lot. Getting Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa to act in concert  in a trade war is a huge undertaking with much suspicion to quell and more aggregate trust than exists on the planet.
China is not that powerful. 
John Minehan Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:49pm
I have a slightly different take on the PRC than most.
 
The PRC is the pivotal country in the world today. 
 
With its industrial might and the way it has gotten in on the ground floor of key emerging markets (especially Africa), it could wind up as an unquestioned Uni-power by the end of this Century.
 
On the other hand, I agree with Leroy has said, as he is an ME who has worked in the PRC and seen this in action.  There are a plethora of issues, financial (as Leroy mentions), cultural and demographic.  It could also collapse.
 
Here is where I have an odd view.
 
I have heard rumors that the reason the Bush 41 Administration were so careful at the time of Tiananmen Square was that the US and what was about to be the EU were over-exposed in the PRC and that its collapse had the potential to trigger an intractable global depression.
 
That was in 1989.  At that time, Japan, alone of the advanced economies was not significantly exposed in the PRC.  That is no longer the case. 
 
My guess is that, with the PRC's importance and the problems the US caused the World Economy in 2008, the other industrialized nations may not have Trump's back.    
George N Romey Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:56pm
China and the US have become co dependent. The US for cheap Chinese crap to keep the consumer economy going. China to give its people menial jobs so they won’t starve. In theory Americans can go without a new Smartphone every year. Chinese can’t go without eating after a week or so.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:03pm
George N Romey
 
"Good points on health care, Ken.  I remember when the government was not involved in it at all.  You could still get care, no matter what the problem or your financial status back in the 1950s.  Moreover, it didn't cost you six months worth of earnings to pay for it."
 
Note that this is mercantilism and has been China's economic goal for some 15 centuries. 
 
But the notion that PRC can be numero uno is preposterous. Their internal debt is astronomical. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:36pm
Mogg
 
Ok. To me you're a snob, to you I'm an ignorant. Let's stay that way.
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 15, 2018 - 7:18pm
-China created the Asian Infrastructure and Investment bank (AIIB) to circumvent America. Of the 89 or so members a good deal are from Europe. Russia has a special place in the AIIB. The rest are Asian nations. America is left out of this bank.
-China created the CIPS (Cross-Border Interbank Payments system) to bypass SWIFT (Society For Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications)
-China along with Russia, Germany, France, and England created the Special Purchase Vehicle (VPH) to bypass American sanctions on Iran and trade with Iran not using the dollar. 
-Since 2011 China became the world's largest producer and competed with India as the largest consumer of Gold. Today China is the 6th largest gold holder in the world.
-When China created BRIC she included South Africa because of her resources. She can pressure or persuade Pretoria of other options. BRICS bank is in Shanghai. 
-Around this time China invested in the One Belt One Road system specifically to be independent in world transport. With this system, she is way ahead since land routes are cheaper than maritime routes that are overcrowded and often open to piracy. In 2014, using existing lines a Chinese train went from the city of Yiwu to Madrid, a distance of 10 thousand miles carrying tons of goods. Not only she owns these lines but an army of security protects them. 
-Just the CPEC (China Pakistan Economic Corridor) worth 60 billion created the world's deepest deepwater port in Gwadar, it was used by both Russia and China's navies. In Sri Lanka 4 deep water ports came up due to China. She plans to create a canal through Thailand cutting the maritime distance by many hours. She will be constructing a railway across Brazil and Peru connecting the Atlantic with the Pacific by land and bypassing Panama.
-China is already using the Petro Yuan. 
China's 16 +1 organization links 16 East European nations in a trading block with China. 
all of the above to bypass America and create new markets. China's products include Apple and everything from computers to autos. she has upgraded her production system to take on new products from Robots to Drones, and China now outsources the less valuable items such as apparel and shoes to places like Africa.
-China's 3 Gorges dam is an example of what she can do and we cannot. 
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 15, 2018 - 7:21pm
Stone eater. I am half Sinhalese. Half Tamil and now adopted into an Italian family. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 15, 2018 - 7:27pm
but your abrasiveness and belligerence are there nonetheless, just below the surface
 
Granddad used to say we hate in others that which we hate most about ourselves.
 
Flying Junior Added Dec 16, 2018 - 2:39am
Why in the name of the Green Goddess would the United States attempt to take China down?  You are apparently nuttier than Trump himself.
 
Trade with China is a huge win for both countries.  China doesn't even have a significant automobile industry.  We compliment each other.  Ask me about U.S. manufacturing interests.  BTW  The misguided trade policy of this administration from hell has only hurt domestic manufacturing.
 
Any crazy who is living in the past dreaming about the U.S. economy of the 1960s is doing only that.  Trade with China has done great wonders this century.
 
What we need is a level-headed, liberal pragmatist.  You know...  Like we had for the last forty-five years.  Trump will fade away.  The damage will not be permanent.  China has the maturity to forgive us one rogue president.  But the hurt will continue for Americans that Trump has harmed with his misguided policies.
 
Why the hell am I commenting on this extreme right wing hatefest?
Ken Added Dec 16, 2018 - 2:41am
Chinks make Jews look like philanthropists, so we'll soon settle it one way or the other
 
Wow.  as little respect as I have for some on here because they seem to lack brain cells and coherent thought, and as Crazy as Doug, Ryan, and Micshka are, I think that is the most racist, uneducated comment I have seen on this site to date.And that is saying a lot considering what an anti-semite Doug is...
Ken Added Dec 16, 2018 - 2:44am
when it comes to oil/gas the ME is the energy center of the world
 
That is completely false.  America has more Oil/Gas than the entire middle east, it just hasn't been allowed to be unleashed.  America is now the #1 producer of natural gas, and will shortly be the #1 producer of oil by opening up ANWR and other places.  Saudi Arabia is actually starting to run out of their supply of oil, and we have barely tapped ours.
Ken Added Dec 16, 2018 - 2:52am
DeBeers controls not only diamonds and Gold but also a slew of other minerals including rare earth.
 
I challenge you to prove this.  Gold is not a major commodity available in south africa. nor does DeBeers control "rare earth minerals".  Diamonds are actually far more comon than most people realize, and are not precious stones, but only semi-precious but deBeers controls so much of where they are located, they have stockpiles of diamonds that they keep off the market.
 
They don't have that for Gold or other minerals.
 
 
That wealth is basically controlled by Africa's largest Jewish population.
 
wow, really?  That is almost as asinine as the previous statement about jews.  Hate the jewish faith much? Why?  What have they done to you?  they are less than 0.1% of the worlds population today due to so many attempts to exterminate them, but ethey are the ultimate evil and control everything, eh?
 
disgusting
Ken Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:03am
China and the US have become co dependent.
 
Not really.  that is a myth.  Just because we make stuff cheaper over there doesn't mean we are co-dependent.  China had a bit of an economic boom in the past decade while we had a downside, due to 9/11 and real estate.  That made them appear to be the driver of the worlds economy, yet you can easily find photos online of all of china's "ghost cities" they built and no one occupies.  They are now heavily in debt and their economy is struggling, while Trump has been reducing regulations and releasing ours.
 
I believe it is 18 regulations have been removed for ever 1 new regulation implemented.  This has freed up our economy tremendously from the Obama years.
 
America is the economic engine of the world, and all these socialist/communist states are only able to stay above water because of what we do.  That includes most of Europe.
Flying Junior Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:09am
That's four comments in a row, Ken.  The limit is supposed to be two.
Ken Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:33am
That's four comments in a row, Ken.  The limit is supposed to be two.
 
So respond faster then FJ
Flying Junior Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:39am
I guess you don't get it.  Check Autumn's post list.  Scroll down a couple of articles for a copy of the rules.  Only trying to help.
Ken Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:44am
no FJ, I know you are just trying to be snide, but you don't get it.  If Autumn had a problem she would have mentioned it publicly and personally.  Not everyone can be here every minute, and sometimes there are several hours of conversations to respond to.  She gets it, so do I.  You are just being a jackass about it because of a single comment I made to one person
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:53am
The new silk road railways, at present, are barely profitable as I understand. It's been a grand experiment. Nobody knows if it's going to pay off for them. 
 
Since China has a planned economy, the central leadership decides how to spend the nation's money and what infrastructure projects will happen. They need to keep people working so the economy stays good. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. They've built extremely impressive ghost cities. They've spent LOTS on these 'new silk road' railways. But you can't necessarily say that's going to pay off here or there. Losing the American markets would be a disaster for China, surely. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:57am
America is the economic engine of the world, and all these socialist/communist states are only able to stay above water because of what we do. That includes most of Europe.
 
Rah Rah rah sis boom bah go team go we're number one USA USA USA BLAH Blah blah blah  
 
Ken Added Dec 16, 2018 - 4:59am
Rah Rah rah sis boom bah go team go we're number one USA USA USA BLAH Blah blah blah  
 
Gee Jeffry, if you disagree with it, disprove it.  Or are you just trying to comment a little more widely here by saying nothing and proving nothing to try and satisfy AC?
 
This comment is as meaningless as your Yawns...
Leroy Added Dec 16, 2018 - 7:19am
"China doesn't even have a significant automobile industry."
 
LOL... Only the largest manufacturer in the world since 2008.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 16, 2018 - 8:33am
America is the economic engine of the world, and all these socialist/communist states are only able to stay above water because of what we do. That includes most of Europe.
 
What-a-Bullshit. We're-the-greatest-arrogance-syndrome.
George N Romey Added Dec 16, 2018 - 9:53am
Building on what Cullen has said China has built up massive amounts of debts enforcing a full employment policy albeit most of the jobs suck.  Unless you like living in a work dorm sleeping side by side.  No wonder the country's on a population crash and young horny men are forming gangs.
 
At some point the shinning ghost cities and bullet trains are going to come crashing down if China cannot create a solid middle class. I think Xi Ping wants that to occur but it took the US nearly 50 years to build its golden middle class. China doesn't have 50 years.
 
The US has the ability to be totally self sustainable.  We have the resources, technology, manpower, intellect and tenacity to do so.  However, we also have a lot of stupid, rich elites that will never allow the US to be self sufficient instead shoving us into their fantasy of "globalism."
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 16, 2018 - 9:55am
This comment is as meaningless as your Yawns...
 
Thanks Ken, I don't know how I'd make it from the bed to the toilet in the morning without your input. 
 
Dino Manalis Added Dec 16, 2018 - 11:49am
 China wishes to appease Trump and avoid economic war, which would hurt all of us!  Trade expands growth and jobs!
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 16, 2018 - 11:50am
Ken
What an outburst from you. I do not know what your problem is with Jews but settle down Hazel. To answer your questions: 
-There are around 75 to maybe 80 thousand Jews in South Africa. They once numbered 120 thousand. That is the largest number in all of Africa and unlike other locations, Jews remained in South Africa working with the Apartheid system that served them well, way too well, and they are the voice in the government. They never lifted a finger to address Apartheid even after what they went through in Europe. Ken, I really hope you do not find that admirable in them.
 
Once they came to power they help maintain Apartheid. After Cecil Rhodes bought up a lot of the diamond mines they were eventually consolidated under Jewish ownership. Debeers is a Jewish owned and run company. Rhodes was connected to the Rothschild family. 
 
As for me using the name of Debeers I did that for convenience in order to finish my comment. Debeers was not the subject, the mineral wealth of South Africa, its links to Israel and America and the ongoing economic war between China and the US.
 
It is a complicated link to make but had to be done in order to show that China's rise to power includes her growing role in the Middle East and on the side of Israel's enemies. 
 
As for Jews and Judaism, I know the history of the faith and the people well enough to debate it and to know they are not an issue for me as long as those in power do not abuse it to extent that it has a direct effect on me. Otherwise, I am a Catholic who is far more fascinated by the Hindu/Buddhist world than the Judaic world. 
FacePalm Added Dec 16, 2018 - 12:31pm
A relatively long time ago, now - maybe a decade, decade and a half - i noted that it was US banking interests that financed the Maoist cultural revolution and subsequent mass murders.  Later, perhaps beginning with the Klepto Klin-Tons, but most certainly them - US military tech was sold to the Chinese, and that flow has continued almost unabated, since.  Now, US corporations like google, which were funded by USG start-up money, have moved to China to support them; Apple not only moved their HQ there, but gave the ChiComs the "keys" to every product they make, which allows their security spy services to access every Apple product whenever it goes online.
 
Now, China has reaped the benefit of at least 60 years of help from US corporate and banking interests; their constant surveillance and "social credit scores" align perfectly with the NWO/OWG globalist pedophile plan for the ultimate, world-wide totalitarian nightmare. 
 
At all costs, this scenario must be avoided...for the Chinese are well-accustomed to slaughter, selling the body parts on the black market, and running slave-labor work camps so they can provide their cheap goods to the world.  IOW, they won't hesitate or delay. Fits Eric Arthur Blair's(Orwell) vision for the planet, though, of a boot stamping on a human face forever, or Huxley's vision of medicated drones pumping out product while merely existing.  The Chinese are patient; they have a hundred-year plan, and curiously, it's dovetailing nicely with the plans of the UN and the wealthy who intend to implement the NWO/OWG whether it's wanted or not.
 
Those who preach patience with China are traveling Neville Chamberlain's road of subservience to Hitler, which didn't work out too well for any country in Europe, and killed a lot more people in Britain and other countries than any war previously.
 
We're in a war right now, though few understand how it's being fought, for there aren't as many physical casualties, not as much blood, guts, and gore - yet.
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 16, 2018 - 12:31pm
Flying Junior 
Why in the name of the Green Goddess would the United States attempt to take China down?
Anwer: Because China is replacing the US as the world's power and China intends to do away with the dollar when she trades. Her policies are "China-centered" as they should be. China is the first real threat to American leadership since the turn of the 20th century. On a list of indicators, China has already surpassed America. 
As I have pointed earlier, what we did to Libya should be an example of nations trying to push us aside. Libya under Qaddafi was a model of an efficiently run nation and a high standard of living. Libyans enjoyed a better standard of living, on several issues, than we did.
-There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
-Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
-Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
-Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipment, seeds, and livestock to kick-start their farms are all for free.
- If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
(a lot of these policies are Fascist but that is not the issue)
The above are some of a long list that Libyans enjoyed. Qaddafi was going to replace the dollar with the Libyan Dinar and for that Dinar to be the pan African currency of exchange. It was going to be backed by Libyan Gold which disappeared after he was grotesquely killed by our agents.  Yes, we do overturn governments if they become an economic challenge to us.
 
Ken:
I got this quote from the internet. Qatar alone has the world's largest deposit of gas. China switched from us to Qatar:
"According to current estimates, 81.89% of the world's proven oil reserves are located in OPEC Member Countries, with the bulk of OPEC oil reserves in the Middle East, amounting to 65.36% of the OPEC total"
Bill Kamps Added Dec 16, 2018 - 1:01pm
First we should expect China to be a large player on the world scene, they have the largest population and will one day have the largest economy.  That doesnt mean they will manage things correctly.  The lack of transparency in their companies and economy  limits how foreign firms will invest with them.  The investment ties are rather weak compared to US/Europe ties or ties to Japan and other Asian countries.  No one believes China's numbers or trusts that the rules wont change quickly.  This is the same problem that has plagued Latin America for decades.  People invest there, but at a low level because they always fear the  rules will change to their disadvantage. 
 
Militarily they have a long way to go to be a world power.  They are making advances, but they still cant project the power the US could in the  1940s, so they  have quite a ways to go.  They then have to build alliances beyond Asia.  If they are only going to alliances with bankrupt economies like North Korea, Venezuela and parts of African, their network will be weak.
 
Finally the Yuan is still not a convertible currency.  You cant take a stack of Yuans into any bank in the world and come out with local currency.   Many things standing in the way of this, not just the US military.  China's economy is very  non-transparent compared to Europe the US and Japan, the other convertible currencies.  China still keeps most of its money in US Treasuries, and while this may slowly change, they are not stupid and know that is still the best place for the money, strategic interests aside. 
 
Fifty years from now will China be stronger than it is now.  Almost certainly yes.  How much will depend a lot on how they  manage their internal politics.  Having rulers for life, building "re-education" camps that hold a million people with different political views, means they have to contain their citizens because they fear giving them the freedom to say what they  want.  Nearly all of the "freedoms" the Chinese appear to have depend on those freedoms not being a challenge to the state, this is what their constitution says.  Freedoms can be here today and gone tomorrow, because their constitution can be changed in a whim.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 16, 2018 - 1:07pm
Yes, we do overturn governments if they become an economic challenge to us.
 
Libya was an economic challenge to the US?  that is laughable.  The GDP of Libya is about $50billion.  That is smaller than the GDP of San Antonio Texas, which is about $83billion, or about .0025 the size of the US economy.  (that is 400:1)
 
We stupidly got involved in Libya because Obama still thought that the US would be advancing democracy in the MidEast by eliminating dictators.  He didnt learn from Iraq, Egypt and Afghanistan.  He stupidly thought that if we didnt put in ground troops all would be well.  It was ok for us, but created a civil disaster in Libya. 
Jim Stoner Added Dec 16, 2018 - 1:10pm
I know a lot of Chinese people and have discussed many of these subjects with them.  I should organize these into an article one of these days.  In the meantime, a few thoughts: 
We are not in a war (economic or military) with China and we should not enter into one--it would be terribly destructive for both.  China does not want a trade war, and certainly not a military one. 
In some ways, we are much like them.  A tendency to avoid foreign entanglements, mercantilism (yes, we are), large continental power with temperate climate and good ports.   A lot of emphasis on education, support for social mobility. 
One way we are different:  China is much more a collectivist society; that didn't start with Mao and the Communists.  People look to fit in; the idea of workers' collective action is still strong.  At the same time, they share our suspicion of centralizing bureaucrats (and theirs are the most astute you will find). 
 
The nation is changing rapidly, and friendly relations will help shape their future in a way that is positive for both.  A key is avoiding the projection of arrogance, as they are proud about their own heritage and can easily be offended by assumptions of superiority. 
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 16, 2018 - 1:21pm
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China opened her economy in 1979. By 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed. This is important because we shifted our energy from the Cold War to outsourcing to China. 1991 was also the year  India opened her economy. The reason given was that the Indian government was about to go bankrupt and only by opening it India saved herself. Now looking at the date it seems to be that the collapse of the Soviet Empire had something to do with India opening her economy. 
From 1979 to 2018 China concentrated her goals on investments. She not only created all the organizations and the banks I mentioned in my previous comments but she also bought up entire oil fields in Asia and Africa.
From 2000 to 2018 America spent 5.9 Trillion dollars on wars in the Middle East. That is a huge drain. Instead of investing in a competitive spirit against China we put our money into a place that gave us little if nothing in return.  That has to be factored in as to why China is ahead of us.
 
As for China's status in the world, I answered a Quora question on that very issue. Here is my answer:
China is the largest producer of electricity in the world. At 115 Quadrillion watts per year, China surpasses America who produces 100 Quadrillion watts per year. In comparison, India produces 15 Quadrillion watts per year for a population roughly the size of China.
China’s literacy rate is 96.36%. For the adult male population: 98.17%
China is the largest consumer in a range of commodities, chief among them is crude. China is the world’s largest consumer of crude. A title once held by America.
China is the world’s largest manufacturer and exporter of goods. 2 trillion in exports.
China is the fastest growing consumer market.
China’s life expectancy for males is 72.96 and 77.2 for females. That is first world standards.
China's Middle Class is around 420 million
China has the world’s largest forex reserves at 3 Trillion 125 Billion.
China is the largest hydroelectric producer & renewable energy producer.
China is the world’s largest producer in the following:
Aluminum, Antimony, Arsenic, Bismuth, Cadmium, Cement, Coal, Flourite, Gold, Iron, Manganese, Mercury, Mica. In addition: Motor vehicle, shipbuilding, solar panel production, Steel, Strontium, Tin, Tungsten, Wind Turbine, Zinc.
In Agriculture China is the world’s largest producer in the following:
Apple, Aquatic Plants, Cabbage, Carrot, and Turnip, Cauliflower, and Broccoli, Chestnut, Cotton, Cucumber, Eggplant, Fish, Garlic, Honey, Domestic sheep (185 million head), Domestic pig (474 million head), Donkeys (8.4 million , Horses (8 million), Mules (4.1 million), Lettuce, and Chicory, Mushroom, and Truffle, Onion, and shallot, Peach, and nectarine, Peanut, Pear, and Quince, Persimmon, Plum, and sloe, Potatoe, rapeseed, Rice, Silk, Spinach, Tangerine, Tea, Tobacco, Tomato, Walnut, Watermelon Wheat.
In the field of Communications China is the world’s largest in the following:
Internet Users: 747 million.
Mainline Phones: 270 million
Mobile Phones: 1 billion 322 million
Telephone-mobile cellular: 1 billion 100 million
Global Competitiveness index: 27
Gold Reserves: 6th
Human Development index: 90
World’s largest system of high-speed railways: 25 thousand km
World’s largest waterways: 126,300 km
Space ‘competitiveness index: 5
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 16, 2018 - 1:22pm
Jim Stoner
 
"We are not in a war (economic or military) with China and we should not enter into one--it would be terribly destructive for both.  China does not want a trade war, and certainly not a military one. "
 
[1] China has waged a trade war with us since their admittance into WTO.
 
[2] China has already used military bases to expand their territories in the South China Sea. 
 
"I know a lot of Chinese people and have discussed many of these subjects with them."
 
 Look to Chinese actions---not blather or unofficial rumors. 
FacePalm Added Dec 16, 2018 - 1:45pm
Michael Bagala-
Impressive list.  Did you factor in all that the Chinese either stole or coerced from US companies?(and from other countries, as well, no doubt.)
 
All those things and more are what makes them so very dangerous, especially given their complicity with the NWO/OWG globalist pedophiles. 
America will do well to negotiate with China at the point of a gun or spear, if at all...and prepare to deliver a devastating blow to Chinese leadership; everyone currently sweltering and suffering in the Chinese gulag would rejoice most heartily at being freed from their chains, and at the destruction of their enemies who enslaved them.
Jim Stoner Added Dec 16, 2018 - 1:56pm
I disagree about the trade war, though Chinese companies have quite often stolen intellectual property developed in the US and elsewhere. 
 
It is true that China has looked to expand its assets in the South China Sea and has taken aggressive actions toward some of its neighbors there.  We should be looking to counter those through all fronts (patrols, diplomatic action) short of direct military confrontation, on behalf of those nations, many of which are friends to the US and are generally not as strong militarily.  The Chinese have a point of view very similar to our own Monroe Doctrine.  We don't need to accede to it, but we should not pretend moral superiority on the subject.
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 16, 2018 - 2:00pm
"I disagree about the trade war, though Chinese companies have quite often stolen intellectual property developed in the US and elsewhere."
 
Punitive or protective tariffs are not trade war??  They had a %100 tariff on US cars. What was that if not war??
George N Romey Added Dec 16, 2018 - 2:31pm
China is still a poor country when you take away the wealth from the extreme top. As the US has shown a lot of things have to fall right to have broad base prosperity. And as the US has shown it tends to evaporate pretty quickly. China has mostly poor uneducated people that can’t to much beyond simple assembly work. Xi Ping is trying to change this paradigm and he’s going to need a lot of luck.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 16, 2018 - 3:14pm
"China is still a poor country when you take away the wealth from the extreme top."
 
Still the 2nd in the world's economies. We have a huge top 1% also as has most of the world since 5000 years back. 
 
"As the US has shown a lot of things have to fall right to have broad base prosperity."
 
True. But, fall, or is prosperity directed by good choices, such as education, oil drilling, advances in farming, the space program and the arms sales. 
 
"And as the US has shown it tends to evaporate pretty quickly."
 
What? Prosperity [the antecedent in the previous sentence]  in the US or elsewhere? It seems prosperity has persisted in countries where it was once fully established [UK, US, Scandinavia, France, Germany, Brasil, Russia but not so in emerging countries [most of Africa, most of central America, most of South America]. Asia appears to be advancing. 
 
" China has mostly poor uneducated people that can’t to much beyond simple assembly work. Xi Ping is trying to change this paradigm and he’s going to need a lot of luck"
 
Very true. But vast numbers of poor are not too much of a problem if they [the poor] can sustain themselves, as they have for centuries. The other sectors of the PRC can act  independently and flex some muscle.
George N Romey Added Dec 16, 2018 - 5:05pm
The problem is that the cat is out of the bag. The Chinese using their cheap knockoff cell phones see what they believe is a world of endless riches, particularly here in the US. If the Chinese are told to leave the cities and go back to their simple farming that won’t go over well. So for now the name of the game is to keep the population employed and hopefully content. But with $30 trillion or so in debt that’s not been cheap.
 
The Chinese are not the dumb ass Middle Easterns that want to continue their medieval ways because their religion says so. The Chinese want their piece of the pie. However their advantage of cheap labor begins to fade just as technology advances.
 
Unlike what some people on WB believe I think Trump fully gets this. The US can survive a post Chinese economy even if it’s hurtful to us in the short term. The Chinese are so screwed without the US. Again it’s why Xi Ping is on the One Road initiative like a maniac. He knows a faltering economy would bring revolution. Remember the Chinese would be more than happy to have the life that the working poor have in the US.
Jim Stoner Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:00pm
I'm no expert on trade, but I have observed that GM cars (produced in China, I presume) and Tesla cars (which have a subsidy from the gov't) are selling "like hotcakes" there.   China did not view itself as "being in a trade war"; it was looking to maximize trade, and, for that matter, to increase domestic consumption as a way to spur trade growth.   That was prior to Trump's recent provocations. 
(hotcakes:  I was at a latke party last night; have them on my mind). 
 
I don't agree that trade rules are "made to be broken", but for the most part it is true that the response is mostly in kind only (fees, fines, and trade restrictions).   If Trump is playing bad cop publicly and seeking negotiation privately, I can abide that.  If his objective is restraint of international trade, that's a big mistake for us all. 
FacePalm Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:11pm
If one trades with the Chinese, it is wise to count your fingers after every handshake.
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 16, 2018 - 7:00pm
I don't see playing around with some tariffs a 'trade war', personally. It's just jostling for position in the relationship. It seems the U.S. has sat back and watched (even facilitated) the growth of China to her own detriment for nearly 30 years. If Trump is finally going to treat them as a competitor, that's probably good. 
 
These things have to be done carefully of course. But treating them as our largest economic competitor (them and the EU) is probably good for the U.S. Just don't let the situation get out of hand....
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 16, 2018 - 8:11pm
FacePalm
Theft of intellectual property is done by one and all. remember Operation Paperclip: 1 thousand Nazi Scientists and their families brought to the US at the end of WW2. Among them Werner Von Braun, father of modern rocketry, worked in a Concentration camp and used slave labor for his V2 rockets. No moral issues there when he was brought here to head the NASA space mission and land a man on the moon. He was head of NASA till the mid '60s.
India took US pharmaceutical companies to the International courts and won over intellectual theft from her Ayurvedic medical practice where over 100 thousand plants are used, among them is the Neem tree and medicines from that tree American drug companies simply copied the formula, slapped new labels on them and sold the drugs as American products. 
 
Indian government not only won the court cases but invested millions into putting the medical knowledge from Ayurveda, Unani and Siddha into computers and patent them. I believe they are still working on placing these centuries-old med practices in Computers.
 
America and the West have freely taken from Asia a whole slew of practices and incorporated them into Western sciences. Yoga and her 5 schools including "mindfulness" continue to play a role in Psychoanalysis and Physiotherapy. the range of wellbeing lifestyles borrowed from Asia should amount to billions since those industries are worth that much in the West. There is a lot of freewheeling tech stealing going on.  Add to that America freely transfers tech. to Israel and other allies which put Asia at a disadvantage. Asian scientists often are involved in the r/d done on those new fields of tech but their homelands do not get the end product.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 16, 2018 - 9:47pm
But but but when the DUHmericans do it it's finest kind because they're exceptional doncha know. 
FacePalm Added Dec 16, 2018 - 9:52pm
Michael Bagala-
Are you employed by China, or something?
You seem deathly afraid to speak (or write) anything negative about them, not even to acknowledge their many crimes, not only theft of intellectual property, but the daily, ongoing murders of any and all "dissidents," not to mention the gulags full of slave laborers, the total surveillance system that google and apple helped them set up, as well as their recent collaboration with Venezuela to set up a similar spying/"social credit score" tyranny THERE, as well.
 
Are you really allying yourself with these totalitarian monsters?
 
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 16, 2018 - 10:46pm
FacePalm:
Yes, there is a clear line drawn by the American media, when it comes to China. The anti-Chinese rhetoric really took off with Trump's economic war which began about in early 2017. Since then I had to take sides in this war. 
 
For all practical purposes, this is a full-fledged war except we the consumer are on the front lines. This is an observation made by several articles and is not simply my opinion. In this war, I have chosen China over America, and the reasons go deeper.
 
It goes back to the 30 years "Elam war" that took place in my homeland of Sri Lanka. A war as long as the "30-year war of the Roses" between Catholics and Protestants in Europe.
 
A little bit about Sri Lanka. It is the oldest uninterrupted Buddhist nation in the world & it has an unbroken written history of itself that spans 3 thousand years. I believe only 2 ancient nations have such a record.
 
In all that written history there was no mass migration out of Sri Lanka except before and during the Elam wars. In all those centuries Sri Lankans stayed in ... Sri Lanka. 
 
The only major nation to support Sri Lanka during all that time was China. The only nation to defend Sri Lanka in the SC was China. The only nation to truly invest and build Sri Lanka after the war was China. The 4 deep water ports Sri Lanka now has is due to ... you guessed it... China.
 
Beside that Buddhist Sri Lanka and Buddhist, China's relationship dates back 2 thousand years. I see China more like a "Buddhist/Confusion" nation who experimented with Communism. America sees China as a Communist nation who happened to have a Buddhist history which the media sees as dead.  
 
The conflict for a while was the bloody modern history of China under Mao and what China did to Tibet. for years I was against China and for Tibet. I had that luxury happily living in Berkeley where the 'Free Tibet' movement is strong. 
 
But being an immigrant from a nation with such a devastating war gives me the latitude to evaluate my opinions regarding Sri Lanka, India, and China. So as of now, I present the Chinese point of view.
 
Mogg:
You are right. From the production of steel to Chess and the numeral system including the placement of the zero were ancient contributions of the subcontinent. I  agree with you they simply fall into a cultural exchange of ideas but my comment addressed the 20th century of patents and international laws of nation states. In this world taking fully developed ideas, discoveries put into daily practice needs compensation. It also means these nations have to take the responsibility of patenting mountains of tradition with the forethought that they could be used in future fields of science and tech.
an example is the discipline of Yoga and mindfulness in the age of Artificial intelligence and it becoming self-aware. 
 
FacePalm Added Dec 17, 2018 - 12:51am
Michael-
i don't think you have a clue who you are embracing.  They're murderers, enslavers, purveyors of the philosophy of dominance and kow-towing submission on pain of oppression, agony, and eventual death.
 
The Cultural Revolution murdered the vast majority of Confucians, and this was BY DESIGN.  ChiComs HAVE no religion; their form of governance is "you obey or we KILL you - or make you wish you were dead for many years, before we kill you."  What do you know of Tianamen Square?
 
Buddhists, too, are routinely rounded up in China and slaughtered.  If you choose ChiComs, you are choosing slavery, misery, and death.
 
Good luck with that, but i, for one, am indisposed to give ear to a propagandist.  Have you heard of what the Chinese have done and are doing to the Uighurs?  The Falun Gong?  Christians?  EVERY religious minority?
 
It was US banking interests tied to the satanist NWO/OWG who funded and promoted Mao ab initio, encouraging the mass slaughters characteristic of his rise to dominance, and this legacy continues to this very day.   Will you be like a Jew in Nazi Germany who closes his eyes to a painful truth until it becomes the Siren which led him to the trains and slow death?
George N Romey Added Dec 17, 2018 - 5:43am
Yes China may be the second largest economic super power and yes where it's come in past 30 years is remarkable. However, China has numerous structural issues ranging from lack of any credible accounting to a workforce that is geared towards low technology products.  Ultimately yes China could take over the US if we continue down the path of the middle class disappearing.  It's a threat but not in the short term.  A lot would need to be changed within China and the US would have to cede its position.
 
The thing China has going for it is that it's society is fairly secular and not religious fanatics.  Nothing holds a society back more than a people stepped into some kind of ancient paradigm.  
Cullen Kehoe Added Dec 17, 2018 - 6:24am
Christianity is growing faster in China than in any country in the world (although still has somehow small percentages compared to the overall society). But it will have more Christians than the USA in 15 years according to some sources. 
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 17, 2018 - 7:53am
FacePalm:
I am aware of the brutality under Mao and Stalin. Are you aware of the brutality in India, which claims the status of a Democracy? Or that America has killed an estimated 20 million in 37 nations since world war 2. In addition, for each killed around 10 have been severely wounded, bringing the total killed and wounded to 200 million. Not a small number, and it is ongoing. 
 
As for Propaganda are you aware that Obama lifted a regulation that prevented the open practice of propaganda in America? I am sure you are aware that the military and the Pentagon work with Hollywood.  There are very few films that are not signed off by the American military.
 
I am keeping in mind that one wrong does not excuse another but when all the major players have violated the same set of ethics, except in varying degrees, then pointing a finger at China means 3 fingers point back. 
 
You keep pointing to the time under Mao. It would be similar for me to point to America during the time from 1777 to 1879 or the American Indian wars which went on nonstop during that period which covers more than a century. Except for half a dozen years, the Native Americans fought DC nonstop and at the end were effectively wiped out.  Am I to judge America based on that time or after? 
 
I thought you would ask about the Elam war. You were the first to recognize my ethnicity based on my name. What is your opinion regarding that 30-year war?  
 
Finally in China Buddhism is rapidly coming back. Last I checked the Wiki stated that over 26 thousand Buddhist temples and thousands of Monasteries have come up. That is a drop in a bucket but a good start.
 
Famous ones like the Shaolin Temple continues relatively unharmed from Cultural revolution. the massive damage done to Tibet is being repaired and renovated. the Monastery in Lhasa is on one of China's currency. In America, we do not have any religious building or symbol on our currency. 
 
You are putting in a position to defend China to this degree. I really do not care to but in order to give balance to your points, I am obliged to present points that support China.  I am not a Sinophile. If anything I am an Indophile even with a lot of criticism about that nation. 
Ken Added Dec 17, 2018 - 1:14pm
I got this quote from the internet. Qatar alone has the world's largest deposit of gas. China switched from us to Qatar:
"According to current estimates, 81.89% of the world's proven oil reserves are located in OPEC Member Countries, with the bulk of OPEC oil reserves in the Middle East, amounting to 65.36% of the OPEC total"
 
Well, I guess it is a really good thing that the internet is always right, huh?
 
What year is the quote from?  What is the source?  Does it include fracking?  Does it include ANWR resources?  Does it include offshore territorial water resources?  I would guess the answer ot all 3 is NO.
 
The US has the large oil reserve in the world
Ken Added Dec 17, 2018 - 1:17pm
We stupidly got involved in Libya because Obama still thought that the US would be advancing democracy in the MidEast by eliminating dictator
 
Nah, democracy had nothing to do with it.  They were running guns to Syria through Benghazi and about to be exposed.  It was sending arms to the Muslim Brotherhood that they didn't want exposed.
Ken Added Dec 17, 2018 - 1:21pm
 Still the 2nd in the world's economies. We have a huge top 1% also as has most of the world since 5000 years back. 
 
2nd by a wide margin, however, so it is relative.  as far as top 1% there is a difference.  In America you can go from poverty to the top 1% China?  not so much.
ChetDude Added Dec 17, 2018 - 1:44pm
Ken: You almost crept up on an important issue, but you got the FACTS wrong. USAmerica is somewhere in the middle as far as proven oil reserves are concerned - WAY below the M.E. and Venezuela (that's why the USAmerican Empire is so relentlessly attacking the government of the People of Venezuela - USAmerica has only 11% of Venezuela's oil reserves - which are the highest in the world).

U.S. is still not near where it was when the U.S. reached Peak Oil in 1972 and the fracked stuff is rapidly running out and is STILL not returning the amount of money they borrowed to get it out of the ground. Dream on!
 
And as I explain below, burn it and die.
 
USAmerica's ONLY economic advantage is the Petrodollar. As China and rest of the world implement more trade in fossil-fuels without dollars, that advantage will continue to be eliminated. USAmerica became a debtor nation decades ago and will continue to sink into more debt until the Petrodollar is overthrown. Of course the U.S. Ruling Class, being actually Global, Don't care since they belive they will remain safe and snug in their guarded penthouses and gated Mar-a-Lagos.
 
USAmerica's main exports are enforcement of a dead-end economic theory that also sells the tools for terror and war along with its bloated military waging war for theft of resources throughout the world. At the same time, by dedicating most of its treasure for that socially, economically corrosive war machine, USAmerica is engaged in the same brand of suicide that the USSR was goaded into committing during the "Cold War".
 
Thus the opportunity for the World Island -- EU, Russia, China to take over as USAmerica collapses.
 
USAmericans are NOT the only people who can innovate, invent or develop science, technologies and processes. Only the most bigoted of xenophobes can believe that USAmerica is the only "ecomomic engine of the world". The EU surpassed the U.S. GDP many years ago and China is on the way to doing the same. "We're" really #3 at best...
 
George N: It is sort of true that USAmerica has the capability to be completely self-sustainable but ONLY if the they can continue grabbing 25% of the Earth's Resources for 4% of its population mostly via threat of the bloated war machine - notably the massive quantities of fossil-fuels it grabs and burns to maintain its "standard of living" (endangering our existence on the Planet as a side-effect). Even though that "standard of living" isn't shared with a large percentage of USAmericans.
 
However, if the rest of the world decided, "Screw That", it's possible that the remainder of our 340,000,000 people might manage to eke out a mildly subsistence level in the more favored bio-regions after the internal resource wars have died down.
 
Which brings me to the major elephant in the living room. The elites in China, the U.S., BRICS, the EU, etc. are a bunch of passengers on the Titanic feverishly rearranging the deck chairs on the fantail as the band plays on and the ship sinks beneath the waves.
 
Even if you're among the very few who keep their ostrich heads in the sand and refuse to accept the Science behind AGW/Climate Change (which WILL make our environment less friendly to large air-breathers in the near future - sorry boys) there are still not enough resources available to support even the 7 1/2 billion people currently alive (8% of all who have EVER lived) for too much longer (Earth Overshoot Day was on Aug 1 this year - 3 days earlier than last year) nor can our Planet repair the damage done by the massive quantities of pollution and waste our fossil-fueled, industrial growth paradigm is producing, even when the fruits of that experiment are not widely shared.
 
So the cosmic joke is that the (capitalist) U.S., (capitalist) EU and (capitalist) China will ALL be losers unless the paradigm is radically changed soon into a downsized, powered down, sharing economy with a population of humans that the Planet can sustainably support... We must begin living within our means that stresses Development over growth and Quality of Life over standard of living.
 
Or - Best of luck to Mother Nature's next evolutionary experiment.
ChetDude Added Dec 17, 2018 - 2:06pm
Also not true Ken:
 
"In America you can go from poverty to the top 1% China?  not so much."
 
They're about the same -- it mainly depends upon your choice of parents and the built in advantages the upper classes have over the lower...
 
C'mon, Ken, this stuff is easy to check...
Bill Kamps Added Dec 17, 2018 - 2:20pm
China's per capita GDP is about 30% that of the US.  They are 108th in world ranking while the US is 19.  So while their economy is growing, and will eventually be larger than the US, that is only because they have many ,  many more people.  They still are a relatively poor country, especially since much of their wealth is more heavily concentrated in the upper class than the US.   By comparison Mexico's per capita GDP is 20% higher than China's. 
 
Investability will be their big issue going forward.  How much investment will world companies make in China.  No foreign company has any qualms about investing in Europe or the US, but places like China, Russia, Latin America raise all kinds of risk flags, and while companies do invest there, they also do it knowing they may have to take large write offs if the rules change adversely against them.
 
Business cultural differences are immense.  It is far, far easier to deal with the Russians on a business deal than the Chinese.  The Russians at least approach a business deal similar to the West, the Chinese it is very difficult to understand what they want, and how to structure a deal.  This is especially true for business in China, where the rules always seems to change, and deals are never final.
ChetDude Added Dec 17, 2018 - 4:13pm
Indeed. 
 
Russia is yet another gangster capitalist state so easy for ganster USAmericans to "negotiate with".
 
Whereas as another who commented here has noticed, China has a much longer history with a more communitarian philosophy than the rapacious pirates who created USAmerica a short few hundred years ago have allowed to occur here. 
 
Alas, the New Deal was a (so far) temporary, partial usurpation of the power of the elites.  We're back to the Gilded Age on Steroids now.
ChetDude Added Dec 17, 2018 - 4:17pm
Bill Kamps: Mother Nature doesn't care.  Unless we radically change the paradigm, we're toast.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 17, 2018 - 4:36pm
Chet - China is the one that needs to change the most, they are building a new coal plant a week, the US has none under construction.  Unfortunately the Europeans exempted China from the Paris Accords, so they can pollute and create CO2 at will.
 
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 17, 2018 - 4:41pm
"Unfortunately the Europeans exempted China from the Paris Accords, so they can pollute and create CO2 at will.
Anit US hypocrisy. 
Bill Kamps Added Dec 17, 2018 - 4:52pm
ryck, I dont understand what is "Anit US hypocrisy".
 
China is building a coal plant a week, the US is not building any.  This is not to say the US is not contributing CO2, but if we exempt China, it wont matter much what Europe and the US do.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 17, 2018 - 4:59pm
[1] a typo on my part. 
 
[2] The UN and EU are against the US as they both try to exempt Asian members, particularly China and India. They also exempt 3rd world as in Africa. 
Ken Added Dec 17, 2018 - 5:22pm
USAmerican Empire is so relentlessly attacking the government of the People of Venezuela
 
Pretty close to a record to put so many misstatements (lies) in less than one sentence

 
How exactly is America an Empire - by any definition of the word?  Where have we gone and colonized?  Who attacks the people of Venezuela? 
 
Maduro is corrupt, why should he not be called out for forcing his citizens to starve because of his  failed socialist policies?  You really are hopeless in your ideological talking points.
 
If you hate America so much, there are many other places you can live.  If you already live there - please stay.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 17, 2018 - 5:32pm
 
 
"USAmerican Empire is so relentlessly attacking the government of the People of Venezuela"
 
As useful a propaganda statement as can be found in Leninism. 
 
 
Maduro is a pig but takes the place of Puto Fidel in the hearts of  the left.
 
Ken Added Dec 17, 2018 - 5:41pm
 
"In America you can go from poverty to the top 1% China?  not so much."
 
They're about the same -- it mainly depends upon your choice of parents and the built in advantages the upper classes have over the lower...
 
C'mon, Ken, this stuff is easy to check...
 
If it is so easy to check, why didn't you bother to?  69% of the Forbes 400 are self made
 
Working for minimum wage 20 hours/wk part time in America already puts you in the top 20% of all wage earners in the world. 
 
The bottom 1% most poor people in America have a better standard of living than 99% of the rest of the world.
 
Try wading past all of the google algorithm that pushes the leftist tripe articles and suppresses actual facts and open your eyes.
 
Seriously, take your America hate somewhere else.  Show me how ANYONE like Oprah could rise up from poverty in a ghetto to be one of the richest women in the world - in CHINA?  Or hundreds, thousands, millions of other stories of achievement in this country.
 
One great idea, and you could change the world, and be set for life, as many Americans have found out.  Yes Parents are important - but not because of what they do or even how educated they are, but whether or not you actually have parents in your life and whether they instill work ethic, responsibility in you.  There are stories every day of lives turned around simply due to hard work by millions of people.
 
Many of those who don't choose the life.  it is easy to take the "easy road".  It is hard to put in the hours it takes to be a success.  Sure some people have built in advantages.  I know many people who worked 2, 3 jobs, put themselves through college and worked their way through employment.
 
I know others who started with even less, one is a VP of  a fortune 40 company (that I work for), who had no school past high school, started in a store and worked his way up over the years to be a corporate VP.
 
The typical liberal.  Blame everyone else for your lack of success.
Ken Added Dec 17, 2018 - 5:48pm

[2] The UN and EU are against the US as they both try to exempt Asian members, particularly China and India. They also exempt 3rd world as in Africa. 
 
The only ones who were actually punished for anything in the Paris accords was the US.  It was nothing more than a scam to move capital from the US to, well, just about everyone else.  And Obama was all for getting those greedy capitalist Americans.
 
Chet - it isn't the "gangster Americans" stealing IP and military secrets and building their entire economy off of theft of other's hard work rather than innovating.
 
You don't create innovation when the top 1% of your population takes all the profits and the other 99% work as slaves.
 
Communitarian?  You can't even be intellectually honest enough to call it out for the communist state that it is?
 
Sorry, I won't have this discussion, it isn't worth my time arguing with idiots.
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 17, 2018 - 8:19pm






Ken:
In order to get the link to that quote on crude reserves I simply copied the quote. Here is the Title. "OPEC Share of World Crude Reserves, 2017"
-Regarding Libya
Anytime America peddles Democracy as a reason to oust governments or wage war it is a blatant lie. America is a full-fledged Plutocracy, especially after the Cold war ended, but can be traced back to the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913. 
major issues such as health, defense, national budget, foreign affairs, including wars are decided by the Plutocrats after elections are over.
Leaving minor superficial issues for the electorate such as the gender and race of a candidate or social issues such as gay marriage or legalizing pot. The so-called Freedom to choose which color pants or where to shop or what gender one prefers to bed is not what I consider freedoms. 
Coming from the Subcontinent I can clearly state that America has a caste system. it is not based on jobs but on speech and thought. 
People are immediately categorized into well established "Castes". some of them include being called a "liberal",  "Nationalist", "Globalist", "Democrat", "Republican", "Feminist", "Atheist", "Islamaphobe" or an "Anti-Semite.", a "White Supremacist", "Communist",  The moment an American states an opinion he or she is immediately put into some category and once placed there it does not matter what he has to say, he is tainted by that category. That is how the Caste system works except in India it applies to jobs, here it applies to speech and thought. 
Like in India it is easy to simply place a person in a category and then judge that person's entire life based on an opinion he made. that about destroys free speech. Had to say that, Whenever America proclaims "human rights' as the reason for Foreign adventures I know it is a lie. We tend to ignore massive human rights violations in nations like India while quickly slapping that term on nations like Iran and now, China regarding her Muslim pop. in the province of Xingjiang. We barely practice human rights at home. 
Bill Camps:
China's measurement of wealth is also judged as to her populations capacity to buy the products she manufactures for export. Only recently has China's middle Class become a consumer based class. At 400 million that is a massive consumer based population. Once the wealth of China's middle class can sufficiently absorb what she manufactures then China will be like America during the '60s. 
Keep in mind China's economy was 25% of the world's economy for the last 2 thousand years. All she is doing is reclaiming her traditional place in the world. 
As for Coal China is making the shift to LNG. that is why she is buying her LNG from  Qatar who has the world's largest deposit of natural gas. when it comes to alternative energy, China now produces the equivalent of total combined energy output of Germany and France in alternative energy and still, her needs are growing very fast. 
The world is lucky that India in her complete state of corruption and ineptitude has not been able to match China's growth. 
Currently, China produces/and consumes the most electricity at 115 Quadrillion watts per year. the US produces 100 Quadrillion watts per year. while India produces 14 Quadrillion watts per year. 
One of the best measurements of economic growth is energy consumption.
Ken:
The UNHRC breaks down human rights into roughly 3  parts
Human rights as it applies to the 57 Muslim nations
Human rights as it applies to the developing world
Human rights as it applies to the Developed world
of the 3  the developing world is at the UNHRC whim and fancy, not the US though you may feel otherwise. 
The ONLY Exception the UNHRC has given in the developing world is India who is probably the world's worst human rights abuser.







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Ken Added Dec 17, 2018 - 9:17pm
India who is probably the world's worst human rights abuser.
 
wow.  You are claiming that India is worse than DPRK, PRC, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar,  Other ME countries, Most of Africa?
 
The UN which you seem to love to cite would disagree with you.  by far the worst abuser is Israel, who has had more declarations of human rights abuses against htem than all of those countries above I mentioned....COMBINED
 
America does not have a caste system.  While those may be political or ideological viewpoints, being a liberal or  a conservative doesn't preclude you from moving up or down economically.  That is simply absurd to equate political viewpoints to a caste system that locks you into a specific quality of life that you cannot get out of.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 18, 2018 - 2:41am
full-fledged Plutocracy
 
For sure. Or a neofeudal economic dictatorship LOL
Leroy Added Dec 18, 2018 - 11:38am
"Buddhists, too, are routinely rounded up in China and slaughtered."
 
I don't think that is true.  Buddist monasteries are everywhere. Perhaps you are thinking of Falun Gong.  Falun Gong is a Christian sect that practices meditation.  It was once embraced by the government.  A former president of China, Jiang Zemin, persecuted them as a means to gain power.  They are still routinely rounded up and slaughtered for their organs.  Need a new kidney right away?  They will go find you a freshly harvested one from Falun Gong.  It is a widely known issue but ignored by the UN.
Leroy Added Dec 18, 2018 - 11:46am
China, believing it or not, has a rich history of Christianity dating back to at least to 1843 with the leader of the Taiping rebellion against the Qing dynasty who was the brother of Jesus Christ, so he claimed.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 18, 2018 - 1:17pm
Leroy
 
""Buddhists, too, are routinely rounded up in China and slaughtered.""
 
Correct on Falun Gong, but any time the Buddhists inflamed the communists or others in power, as in Viet  Nam, and also in Tibet and Mongolia they were punished.
 
IF you do not wildly endorse communism in your Marxist community you are suspect, useless and may be the next to go just after those who denounce the government. 
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 18, 2018 - 3:22pm
Ken:
Some basic stats on India why she is the worst. 
-5000 Indian children die each day due to malnutrition or starvation while India wastes around 21 million tons of Wheat per year, millions of tons of rice per year, world's largest waster of vegetables and a major food exporting nation.
-Pollution is so bad that 80% of the surface water in India is polluted. Over 700 million Indians openly defecate because New Delhi has failed to construct basic toilets. 
-Raw sewage mixed with Raw industrial waste empties into most of India's major rivers.
-Air pollution includes Asbestos. India is the world's largest producer and consumer of Asbestos. All the modern structures since independence, are built with cement and asbestos mixed. Asbestos is in the walls of motels, hotels, and hospitals. It is in the air.
-Asia's largest slums built on some of the world's most expensive real estate. because of corruption. Those slums are rented out at exorbitant rates to the "slum mafia". Many sleep there and go to work n highrises because cities refuse to enact housing regulations.
-Then there are the pavement dwellers around 100 million, mainly due to lack of housing. Some have lived on the pavements for generations. born and die on the pavements. 
-India's millions of beggars are by and large professional and belong to gangs. Those controlling them are called "Beggar mafias". They use drugs, torture and intimidation. arms are deliberately wounded and twisted out of shape to get money.
-India's organ industry is massive. People regularly sell a kidney or a lung to pay a debt.
-India is home to half the world's known slaves. Out of 48 milion known slaves India is home to 18 million. most are children and trapped by debt that cannot be paid and is handed down to the next generation. Keep in mind America's slave period in entirety was around 3 to 4 million. 
-It is estimated around 15 thousand Nepali girls and boys are sold into the slave flesh trade in India. Few survive the diseases and other horrors. due to that it is a flourishing trade each year.
-Animal slaughter of epic proportions. During some festivals up to a million animals are slaughtered in a span of a week. to a series of Goddesses including Kali . The regular slaughterhouses are a nightmare. Some animals are not even dead before they begin skinning them. India is the world's largest or 2nd largest exporter of leather. I have a long list to support my point. 
 
The caste system in America is only along speech and ideology not work-related. People are typecast based on what they say.  I made the difference clear. Anyway Ken, It is an idea I came up with. I am very familiar with this system, you may not be. 
Leroy Added Dec 18, 2018 - 9:47pm
"Correct on Falun Gong, but any time the Buddhists inflamed the communists or others in power, as in Viet  Nam, and also in Tibet and Mongolia they were punished."
 
Any organized group is antithetical to the communist party.  My wife and I were on the metro heading in the right direction when we received a text that there was a street party going on.  We thought it unusual and headed for the party.  It was disbanded by the police before we could get there.  I went to the Filipino National Day gathering in Shanghai.  There were 1,200 or so people there.  They were allowed to hold the celebration but it was surrounded by the police.  I was in northern China when a woman passed me a brochure on an underground Christian church.  There are many Christians in China.  I know a lot of Chinese in the US.  Without exception, all are Christians.  Having said that, most Chinese don't have the same perceptions as the Western world.  As one Chinese woman told me, "If Buddha gives me what I want, I believe in Buddha.  If the Christian god gives me what I want, I believe if the Christian god."
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 18, 2018 - 10:54pm
Leroy:
The only reason China accepted Buddhism was that unlike any other faith Buddhism does not displace the existing culture, Philosophy or faith.
China has always been very proud and confident of her civilization. For Buddhism, (which was fully developed by the time it reached China in the 2nd century AD) to be even accepted it had to work along with Confucian and Taoism. China along with Sri Lanka are the only 2 ancient nations to have a written history of themselves. It gives a sense of self-awareness to have a written history. 
 
Same in Japan. Only reason Japanese opened up to Buddhism is that it did not displace Shintoism or their culture of the Samurai. Zen reached Japan in the 6th century AD (or 1100 years after it was born in India) 
 
Bhodidharma an Indian Buddhist monk took the fully developed, school of Zen to both China and Japan. 
 
That Chinese woman would not accept Christianity any other way. Her response is almost Hindu. According to them, Buddha and Christ are avatars of Vishnu.
ChetDude Added Dec 18, 2018 - 11:15pm
It's almost amusing to watch so many of you (especially you "exceptional Americans(sic)") arguing about which fictional "country" or "form of government" is more rapacious than the other...
 
When they all are operating with the same systemic disease as a core "principle"...
 
Humans insist upon continuing their deadly, suicidal 8000 year experiment with dominator hierarchies....
 
Good luck with that shit...
Leroy Added Dec 19, 2018 - 6:42am
Thanks, Michael.  That was interesting.
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 19, 2018 - 11:09am
Leroy
You are welcome. It helps to understand how Christianity can take root in firmly established cultures with a very high opinion of themselves and their own philosophies. It also explains how Buddhism can take root and establish its own identity in a civilization with millions of Gods and dozens of philosophies. 
Bill Kamps Added Dec 19, 2018 - 2:47pm
Once the wealth of China's middle class can sufficiently absorb what she manufactures then China will be like America during the '60s. 
 
Sure but the question is how long will it take for China's consumers to move from the wealth of the average Mexican, to the relative wealth of the US in the 1960s?   Currently the average Chinese has 30% of the wealth of the average person in the US.  No doubt their standard of living will rise, unless their government screws up, which is very possible in a top down highly centralized government.
 
As for Coal China is making the shift to LNG. that is why she is buying her LNG from  Qatar who has the world's largest deposit of natural gas. when it comes to alternative energy,
 
China isnt "moving" to anything.  It is building energy generation in many different kinds.  It currently is also building a coal plant a week, so to say it is moving away from coal is not accurate.  It is going to use LNG, but it also has more coal plants under construction, than the US has currently operating. 
Leroy Added Dec 22, 2018 - 7:24pm
Michael, I stumbled across an interesting movie called The Man from Earth about this time last year.  The only thing that bothered me was that it seemed to push Buddhism.  In light of what you told us, it makes a little more sense to me.  I understand what the author was trying to convey now.
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 22, 2018 - 10:14pm
Leroy:
Thanks for the information. I will check it out. 
I have spent a lot of time studying Buddhism without learning either Sanskrit or Pali and yet I seem to learn something new. I did an article for Quora on the Sri Lankan mountain called Adam's Peak, named as such because Islam believes that Adam stepped onto earth at the top of that peak.  It has a natural formation that resembles a human footprint. The formation is five feet so the human has to be incredibly tall or have unusually large feet. 
 
Anyways the deity of the Mountain is called "Samanta" and as time went by, and in Mahayana Buddhism, one of the 8 main Bodhisattvas is called 'Samantabadhra". I knew that little ole Sri Lanka played a large role in the world of Buddhism but I was completely unaware that a Bodhisattva was created from the Samanta the God of that Sri Lankan mountain.
 
and it just happened that many years ago while living in Berkeley I made a great statue of a Boddhisatva and happened to glaze it blue, which happens to be the color of Samantabadhra. (I was a great artist at that time) so I included my statue and a brief explanation of this almost miraculous chain of events which btw that sacred mountain is known for. If you ever get the chance, check my article out under the question "What are some amazing facts about Adam's Peak"
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 23, 2018 - 10:58am
Leroy:
I saw the movie "The Man from Earth", and I am sorry to say it was another poor attempt to de-deify Christ and make him into some kind of high flooting prophet. For 2 thousand years people have tried to every attempt to make  Christ anything but a God and have failed.  this was one of the more weaker attempts. but it was interesting how they tried using a mixture of fantasy and Science.
Leroy Added Dec 23, 2018 - 3:45pm
I found the movie a little boring, but it did cause me to think.  If I remember correctly, the main character was Jesus Christ among others.  He wasn't a god.  He was just a man trying to teach people how to get along.  It was an interesting message.
Jim Stoner Added Dec 24, 2018 - 2:20am
Given the season, I will restrain my tendency toward sacrilege a little, and just say this: 
Jesus' wisdom shines through his successors' 2000-year game of Telephone and is so great it might even be divine.  Something similar might be said of Buddha's, Lao-Tsu's, maybe even Mohammed's or Zoroaster's.  The story of  Hinduism is similar but the game has gone on much longer and gotten even more confused. 
Jim Stoner Added Dec 24, 2018 - 2:25am
Back to the topic at hand:  The Chinese Communist party's policy is nothing like communism.  Their primary objective is self-perpetuation, and that meant giving up any pretense at collective ownership, dictatorship of the proletariat, etc.   Private ownership is encouraged as long as it redounds to the wealth and power of the state of which they insist on maintaining complete political control. 
 
That goes for the religions, too, which are tolerated as long as they are not a threat to their monopoly of power.  The reality today is state-supported versions of Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, and a couple others, I think. 
Michael B Bagala Added Dec 24, 2018 - 3:08am
Leroy:
That is the point. 2 thousand years ago the Rabbis denied Christ as God. It is a schism the only grew after Christ's prophesy came true and the Temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 72 AD a few decades after Christ's resurrection. That is the central point of the story. Everything else becomes meaningless. 
As for Buddha and Buddhism Christ would have met them in places like the Library of Alexandria. 200 years before Christ Buddhist Priests went to Egypt and Rome. Rome had Ambassadors From Buddhist and Hindu nations. including Sri Lanka. That also means the Rabbis knew of them. All the other myths are well known, no surprises there so it boils down to a movie doing the same old thing that has been done over and over again that Christ is not Yahweh, not a God and not a Prophet. He is not even a Messiah. 
Jim Stoner.
Hinduism is misunderstood but not confusing to those who grew up with it. Sanatana Dharma is simply a collection of religions that simultaneously are seen under the umbrella of Hinduism which simply falls under Polytheism, Henotheism, and Monism. Once you grasp that Hinduism is easy.