DID YOU BUY YOUR YELLOW VEST ALREADY ?

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I guess even in the US people have heard that here in Europe we have a movement going on that's called Les Vestes Jaunes, or Yellow Vests. It all started in France (a people which is historically one which does not accept every bullshit by its government endlessly without protest), and meanwhile has spread to the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, even the authority-obedient Germans have started smaller protests in Berlin, and Italy, as I've read.

 

Now, what do they want ? Not much, actually. Being able to eat properly until the end of the month, have a regular job that allows that, and don't pay loads of taxes of which you don't see a result or improvement in infrastructure for the public.

 

Now the problem is that the French didn't check properly who they elected. Macron, a clean and net neoliberal, would correct the imbalance between the lower class which works their ass off and the ones who sit in a bank and get 20'000 $ a month for some clicks on their PC (example) to get by ? The elite Sorbonne, Harvard- and Goldman-steeled politicians would really step down into the gutter and listen to the regular Joe's problems ? I guess there is either ignorance or wishful thinking at play. Macron is Merkel is Stoltenberg is Juncker is Tessie May. The same club.

 

Now, since our press here is everything else than free, but linked to the big capital and the economy, they try to put the Gilets Jaunes into the far-right corner. All Nazis ! Hooligans ! They want to destroy our society ! They are chaotic and don't even have an organization. But NO. These are people like you and me, from EVERY political spectrum, which are united by one thing: My life is no good. Do something. CORRECT something.

 

Politicians complain that these hundreds of thousands have no leader they can address to find a compromise. Hah ! Bullshit. These same hundreds of thousands tried for years to find politicians which they can address and which take their problems seriously ! But they didn't listen while filling their pockets.

 

And then we get the idiots who simply say: They are too lazy to work or want luxury by working the minimum. Ok. Now, when you're over 45 and don't have n diplomas, and happen to lose your job because of so-called "austerity policy" of your company (which means fire the staff and produce in Asia or wherever), or a merger of your company, you're fucked. You won't get another job, and welfare isn't enough to feed your family and pay your rent.

 

What would you do ? 

 

Would you buy a Yellow Vest and take the street or would you simply resign and say "That's life" ?

 

(Now I wonder how much time will pass until somebody calls me a "socialist" again :-))

Comments

Nobody's Sweetheart Added Dec 15, 2018 - 12:44pm
@ Stone - I never have, and never will understand why Americans hate the French so much, and vice-versa. France is a great nation, full of great people, and most important, their great women and their better food, lol.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 12:52pm
Mentor
 
That's right. One can debate about the food, but besides Italy, they have the most beautiful women in Europe. Ah, les Françaises. Reminds me of 69.......;-)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 12:53pm
BTW: I've never heard that Americans hate the French. How come ? Is it a language thing or what ?
opher goodwin Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:00pm
I've got my yellow jacket ready!
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:06pm
Oph
 
I wanted to buy one today, but couldn't find one. For a car driver it's compulsory in some countries, but not here, and I don't have a car here. But a friend of mine will organize some. Time that we start here too. Although Switzerland is a rich country to the OUTSIDE, we have a lot of poor people here, but they're ashamed to show it and protest, just like the Germans. And since I leave anyway next year, I have nothing to lose here, means, if the cops want to fine me, so be it. They can send me the bill to Senegal LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:07pm
BTW: I only hope that they have a long enough breath to carry on. Usually that sort of thing stops after a while except when there's really a fight for bare survival.
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:12pm
@ Stone - Mentor? Really? LOOOOOOOL!!!! Well, then I'll try to be the best Mentor I can. I pondered writing on that subject, but AC is being too PC these days.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:15pm
Mentor
 
Do it. Write us a sharp and spicy one :-)
Dave Volek Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:18pm
This movement has been stalled in the USA with the election of Donald Trump--for the time being. When the Trumplings finally figure out he has no answer, they too will don their yellow vest. 
 
BTW, cruising through the internet brought me to Ivanka's $4.2m penthouse. If that's not proof that young Americans need only their ambition to find the American dream, I don't know what is. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:28pm
Dave
 
"We The People" was one thing I noticed....but I guess the election of Trump was the same propaganda coup as the one from Macron. Both have not the power to really stand up to the financial conglomerate, even if they wanted to.
 
Ivanka ? I mean when you're a good-looking chick that finds a rich guy who needs a puppy besides him to show that he can still get a hard-on, you may be right. But that's no proof of intellectual capacity....and that's not restricted to the US. It may more be like a "man's dream" LOL
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:39pm
Hmmm...Presidential daughters...what to do with them, lol. That's one department that Tricky Dick did well in...both of his daughters were very fuckable, lol.
FacePalm Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:41pm
Stone-
i find "Les Gilet Jaunes" to be an admirable movement in some ways, especially as they took and used the "requirement" to buy one(a bunch of someones made a WHOLE lot of money from that compulsory buy, didn't they?  Wanna bet there were some kickbacks to the politicians that made it a "law"?) as now, it has become the symbol of their resistance to tyranny.
 
Also, the movement revealed Macron's hand too soon; almost everyone knows he came straight from the Rothschild's banking dynasty, and that he was a victim of child molestation and child abuse when he was younger(check the age of his wife AND when they began their relationship) - which would give him a decidedly warped view on - well - everything.  Anyway, now everyone in France and the rest of the EU knows why he pushes so hard for an EU Army; it's complete bullshit that he wants one to "protect the EU from China, Russia, and the US," but completely ACCURATE that he wants this army to FORCE COMPLIANCE with the dictates of the unelected bureaucracy in Brussels...whether the Citizens like it, or not.
 
They may simply need to learn to fight back more effectively.  i understand that not a few French protesters have had eyes shot out, by now.  Molotov cocktails filled partly with petrol and partly with thermite do wonders on tanks, i hear...
George N Romey Added Dec 15, 2018 - 1:50pm
The rich just laugh at the yellow vests. If your not of the .01% you are expendable. Your government just isn’t into you.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 2:05pm
Face
 
Also, the movement revealed Macron's hand too soon; almost everyone knows he came straight from the Rothschild's banking dynasty, and that he was a victim of child molestation and child abuse when he was younger(check the age of his wife AND when they began their relationship) - which would give him a decidedly warped view on - well - everything.
 
The strange thing is that people here in Switzerland, Germany or Italy for example figured that a lot earlier than the French themselves. I'm pretty sure he says in public what his wife-mother tells him to say. 
 
ACCURATE that he wants this army to FORCE COMPLIANCE with the dictates of the unelected bureaucracy in Brussels...whether the Citizens like it, or not.
 
Don't overestimate the power of Brussels. Brussels is no more than a political branch of high finance. They are well paid, do nothing and think that they can succeed to control all those different mentalities from Finland to Portugal. That will never work.
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 2:09pm
OK SEF,
But you got Macron wrong and have NOT read what he is doing FOR the protestors rather than lock UP as Trumpanzees would!
SHE was/is the Alt-R side of Trump that ran in France and I have details of her Russian Money and trip to Trump tower just before the Email bullshit was used against Macron which thank goodness France new better after watching American FAIL and fact they actually elect by majority VOTE rather than electorate. WE better get that done too.
"We know that not only has Marine Le Pen gotten financial help from Russia, but also had a fundraiser at Trump Tower in the apartment of an Italian Northern League supporter – the same Northern League (Lega Nord) whose leader told a Franco-Italian reporter that ties with Russia are continuous."
rel="nofollow">https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2017/05/05/le-pens-trump-tower-italian-fundraiser-tied-to-lega-nord-russia-are-diamonds-le-pens-best-friend/
 
Sadly, after all the propaganda and false news targeting populations in America is was hard personally to see head/tail on yellow vests as was done with White Helmets Syria issues.
I know you are fair when asked to be and so I ask you refrain on judging America besieged by Trump administration and give time for catch up on World events again.
Buggie
 
Le Pen?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 2:14pm
George
 
They don't laugh. They're not that dumb. They're afraid, that's why they use the media to label them politically, although they're apolitical. In Sweden the firefighters joined the protest, and once the cops decide the same......they're all underpaid and have to live with irrational laws which protect the felon and not the victim. PC restricts free speech, first in press and then on the street ? A refugee has a free pass to travel without ticket in public transport without getting fined because he's such a "poor guy", but a Swiss gets fined and harassed for doing the same. I mean, what the fuck is that ?
 
We have two problems:
 
1. Mass immigration in order to change and destroy the structure of our countries. Create a working class of immigrants that doesn't know anything, works for a dime and a quarter, and keep the ones who are born and raised here and understand our language dumb by selling them iShit with a free inscription into Snapshit, Instagram, Fumblr and Fuckbook LOL
 
2. The ones who have that agenda sit in Wall Street, the MIC, Brussels, the IMF, World Bank and so-called "think tanks", which are nothing but hoodlums and slave for the big capital.
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 2:14pm
Great documentary on Active Measures and small here
23 min version is very important to watch, even for the impatient. Link:
rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/Z-X_bXL2Tgo
Clearly the Putin-Trump-Le Pen minions have no faith in their candidate or they wouldn’t release opponent Emmanuel Macron’s hacked emails, mixed in with forgeries, on the eve of the French Presidential elections – knowing full well that the candidate is not allowed to respond-campaigning must cease the day before the election.
Reuters quotes Vitali Kremez of cyber intell co Flashpoint as saying that his review shows APT 28, which is connected to the GRU, Russian Military Intell Service rel="nofollow">http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/Reuters/worldNews/~3/9wOQ5-Biu9k/us-france-election-macron-leaks-idUSKBN1812AZ
 
(rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Intelligence_Directorate ) as being behind the leak. UK based security researcher Ben Nimmo of the Digital Forensic Research Lab believes that the documents were first promoted by US extreme right groups through social media, and then picked up by French Le Pen supporters, according to Reuters.
Cheers!
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 3:13pm
Buggie
 
Even if all that is true - do you think the US used and uses different methods of influence ? The Internet is mostly in the hands of the US/EU, and so is the printed press. When somebody asks me why the Russians have invaded Ukraine I tell them because the West exchanged a Russian-oriented Ukraininan oligarch president by a Western-oriented oligarch president.
 
I don't think that the NSA and consorts are more innocent as the GRU.
 
 
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 3:44pm
SEF,
First they came to America as immigrants and now via Oligarch $ infusions own/live among Silicon Valley.
Who owns major share of FB?
Who owns major share of Twitter?
These are publicly sold entities on stock exchange which allowed 
another vehicle I call "Dry Cleaning" business.
The white supreme in EvangeliCULT clothing have gotten into everything, including your head Stone. Really easy knowing how you buy the World Order Masonic crap debunked long ago,
 
Cheers and do some research please, you will be surprised,
Buggie
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 3:59pm
The meeting between Prince, an influential Trump ally, and Kirill Dmitriev, the CEO of the sanctioned fund, took place on Jan. 11, 2017, at the Four Seasons Hotel in a bar overlooking the Indian Ocean. George Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman who advises the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates, was also present.
Special counsel Robert Mueller has looked into the meeting as part of his larger investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. And nearly a year after the meeting, Prince told Congress his discussion with Dmitriev was just happenstance and took place “over a beer.” Prince also said he did not attend the meeting as a representative of the Trump team.
Since Prince’s testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, Mueller’s team has received information that the meeting was a pre-organized effort to set up a backchannel between the Trump administration and the Kremlin, according to The Washington Post.
Still, the exact details of the conversation between Prince and Dmitriev in the Seychelles have remained murky. But a memo Dmitriev sent after the meeting—described here for the first time—sheds new light on the conversation and indicates it addressed some of the thorniest diplomatic challenges facing the United States and Russia.
The first bullet point proposes the U.S. and Russia work together on “military coordination and joint actions in Syria against ISIS.” It’s an idea that appealed to some of the most important players in the early Trump administration; Mike Flynn, Trump’s first and famously Kremlin-friendly national security adviser, pushed to expand U.S.-Russian military communications in Syria, a move that may have been illegal. 
 
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:12pm
Second, the memo proposes “a serious joint effort by U.S. and Russia to actively address the threat of nuclear, biological and chemical (WMD) terror.” While Trump, during the campaign and in the White House, talked of rebuilding America’s nuclear stockpile—and Putin rattled his saber similarly—the memo recommends the two countries work together on nuclear nonproliferation.
Third, the memo proposes ways the U.S. and Russia can develop “win-win economic investment initiatives that will be supported by both electorates.” “Understanding U.S. production by foreign companies is a focus of the new administration,” the memo says. It goes on to note that Russian companies would “make investments with RDIF financing to serve the U.S. market in the Midwest, creating real jobs for hard hit area with high employment.”
The document also sets out the idea of a “joint RDIF fund with OPIC to support U.S. investment in Russia to make U.S. businesses competitive vs. subsidized Chinese business in Russia.” OPIC, also known as the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, is a government agency that works with the private sector to help U.S. businesses gain a foothold in emerging markets. The memo also suggests organizing a business trip to Moscow for Washington politicos to highlight U.S. businesses’ success in Russia.
 
Fourth, the memo says the U.S. and Russia should have an “honest and open and continual dialogue on differences and concerns.”
 
**One of those concerns, the memo says, is resolving the Ukraine crisis***instigated by Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014—“through Minsk agreements and ensuring Ukraine fulfills its commitments.” The Minsk agreements were drafted and signed by warring parties to alleviate the conflict in Ukraine.
The memo also says the two countries should also coordinate a “working group between the State Department and Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to address key differences.” It is unclear from the memo what those differences are.
REALLY? Sounds delicious right?
CLEAR that head to what Ukraine wanted and whether Russian Citizens get any DEAL from assets that belong to Oligarchs knighted by Putin for services rendered. ONE is said able to collapse entire World Market when status achieved.
THEY HATE Black race and are teaching to kill LGBT community since they need Religous effort to gain HUGE trust Worldwide.
What LIE can you see concerning Putin and what benefit that MAFIA may give anybody NOT within the ring? Even diamond Israel miners in Africa were Russian Oligarchs recently charged in Israel where they also have Citizenship, cough, special kind!
 
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Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:21pm
Buggie
 
All that is ok, but: How influential do you think the US is here in Europe ? And what should make us think that the US is any better than Russia ? The Russians have never invaded us, we did it to THEM. Ths Russians weren't the first to drop a nuke. They actually never did. These are hard facts, amongst others. It's not the secret agreements, spyings or other things that EVERY country does or tries. It's the overall view of what happened and happens that matter.
 
And you know as good as me that the damining of Iran is simply a preface for another war. I mean the US is so full of hypocrisy in its foreign policy, it's unbelievable. Supporting Saudi Arabia while at the same time at home complain about human rights, about Arabs or Muslims in general in the world and defending "Christian values".
 
There would be a lot more to say about that, but I think I've said it all before.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:28pm
BTW: We can shorten that whole thing to:
 
1. The US can never accept that another nation could get as big as they are economically or militarily
 
2. The US will do everything to secure the status as no. 1 in the world, fuck the rest. Read Brzezinski or Kissinger on that.
 
3. The US thinks it is the only nation in the world which knows "the right way to live".
 
It's a mixture of ignorance and arrogance.
 
We don't need more evidence here. Arms rule over intelligence.
 
Sorry. Not against the regular Joe.
 
And we're getting out of the original subject ;-)
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:37pm
https://www.occrp.org/en/paradisepapers/top-kazakh-official-holds-stake-in-secretive-transportation-empire
 
The revelation comes from the Paradise Papers, an offshore leak obtained by the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), which organized the global collaboration of which OCCRP is part.
 
And the group’s success largely depends on one key customer – Tengizchevroil (TCO), a Chevron-led consortium that includes ExxonMobil, LukArco (owned by Russia’s Lukoil), and KazMunayGaz, the very same state oil giant that Mynbayev now heads.
 
WE in the OIL too Stone but look at how "synergy" recent secret word thrown about by RepubliCONS seems CARTEL may finally be realized with Trump complicit zombies...……………..
Where is that EU?
OH!
Ian Thorpe Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:45pm
Got mine, I'm ready for it to kick off in Britain. Also got a writing gig with a certain Russian owned news site  doing opinion pieces on it. They pay would not buy a decent lunch in Britain or Switzerland but it does give me loads of readers per article :-)
Ian Thorpe Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:48pm
BTW Stone, I almost forgot - there was a small Gilet Jaune protest in Britain yesterday, down in London. They're soft down there, it will get interesting when it spreads to the north where the hard lads live. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 4:57pm
Buggie
 
ExxonMobil, LukArco (owned by Russia’s Lukoil), and KazMunayGaz, the very same state oil giant that Mynbayev now heads.
 
I know LOL. The whole thing they show us about "enemies" and ideologies about "left" and "right" is a mere delusion but people believe it. So the global economic network can do its biz quietly and when there is a planned economic crisis as in 2008 they can start a little war here and there for profit and resources. That's what I call the "deep state". The real rulers. The planned resettlement of millions of people from Africa or the ME to Europe has another effect: To weaken the economic force of Europe. More refugees from countries which have 0 education, more costs to feed them, schools who have in the majority foreign kids who don't understand German for example. That lowers the speed of learning progress for all and creates social unrest. And it takes Europe out of the game of competition. Plus, the provocation of the NATO network towards Russia could speed that agenda.
 
The US is known to fight its wars NOT at home, but outside of their homeland. And why not take us out of the game ? Germany is full of US bases and will be the first target in a war between the US and Russia. Not the US itself. Seen what the UK is doing and reading their hate speech against all that is east of Germany (Skripal and other stuff), we start to think that there is basically an anglophone club that wants to control the rest, primarily the US and the UK as their little brother.
 
Do you see now why we don't trust them anymore ? I could point you to VERY interesting videos but unfortunately nobody here understands enough (or at all) German.
Liberal1 Added Dec 15, 2018 - 5:02pm
I haven't bought a Yellow Vest, but I do have my eye on this sweet little guillotine.   Once that sucker goes on sale stand the hell by! 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 5:03pm
Lib
 
Welcome to the club LOL
Jim Stoner Added Dec 15, 2018 - 5:34pm
Stone,  Why don't you go into France and get one (the jaune thing?  Is it also a "jeune" thing?)  Don't throw too many rocks there, though. 
 
EU is basically about the money, as Stone says:  it came from the idea of a free-trade zone on the continent and hasn't moved much since then.  Language chaos; an embryonic attempt at a common "foreign" policy, bank regulation (central and private), and a bunch of agricultural protection arrangements--that's about it.  As a government, it don't count for much. 
 
Macron was basically the last hope of the Republic to defend itself from LePen.  The left has done the usual and fractured itself  a couple more times in the past couple of years.   Apres-lui, le deluge!  He will stick it out for the remainder of the term, then there will be another chaotic election.  Just like here!
 
I don't think Americans (of the USA) hate the French--they are disparaging toward them as being too artistic, effeminate, losing wars, stuff like that.  On the other hand, France has been the ally of the USA in every war that counted since before there was a USA.  (Thanks for N'awlins, France!)  These days, like a few other countries, accord is generally assumed, though the Americans know better than to count on the French to do anything too important.     NATO does need to be fixed, but of course DH is going at it all wrong.  
This Paris Climate withdrawal thing is a one-off act of monumental stupidity and is no trend. 
 
Jeff Jackson Added Dec 15, 2018 - 6:34pm
Stone- "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!" I think they had some "leaders" who ignored them before. By the end of it, they had beheaded 1200 of the "elites." I guess the 1200 wasn't enough, they let too many of them live, and they've regained control.  I think  Americans simply do not understand the French, who share a lot of values like that of the U.S. It's the Parisians who treat the Americans like trash, but I'm told the Parisians treat everyone who is not one of "them" like trash. Go out into the countryside, they really like the U.S. Many of them remember what we did for them 74 years ago.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 7:31pm
Jeff
 
Parisians are arrogant snobs. Because they live in the capital. The rest is ok. Same in Switzerland. People from Zurich are the same. Seems to be a mental derangement of big town people
Stone-Eater Added Dec 15, 2018 - 7:32pm
Jim
 
A Stone-Eater doesn't throw rocks, he eats them :)) I'll take a mortar with me LOL
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 7:42pm
SEF,
SO you want another Hitler?
You actually expect the US alone will be the aggressor? 
Russia is only Russia now and I never said Putin stupid but he wants his USSR back and looks like he will get it if we divide.
China/Iran are fine with him and seems so is TRUMP but NOT the USA as a whole which will always be NATO.
Thing is Putin has a puppet behind OUR military might which is NOT a good thing considering hard effort which Vlad knows nukes get nobody anywhere but dead.
If he allies with any economic giant he can Tsar again while destroying competitors of chosen alliance with simple finance Monopoly.
Know how fast that 1% can change hands with this volatile market being witnesses by US?
Will still be held by 1% perhaps if no crash BUT which land will they reside in?
Even Oligarchs prefer America so reason with that while contemplating life under Putin because under America without Trump might be a wonderful thing combined with new peg NOT Dollar in all fairness, must reset this bloody mess or just drop dead following the bouncing balls. 
I Tried!
Cheers to dumb ass privileged white woman America HA HA,
Buggie
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 15, 2018 - 8:27pm
We're DUHmericans 10% as determined as the French to reign in their government the world would be a much better place. 
Cliff M. Added Dec 15, 2018 - 8:49pm
Stone, Thanks for the update. The U.S. media so far has kept this issue pretty much under raps with only minimal coverage. There was one story on cnn this morning saying the protest's had only a small amount of protesters.I was curious until I saw a clip that had a time clock that said it was only 10 o clock in the morning when it was taped. I think the working class in France have the right Idea. In the U.S. the factions have become so fractured and tribal that it has become difficult to get a consensus. The last time the U.S. had anything similar was the Occupy Wall Street movement which was quickly tamped down.The social and financial engineering elite who have decided that creating a new world order where the working classes of developed countries should take the pain while they take the money is a serious problem and direly needs to be addressed.
Jeff Jackson Added Dec 15, 2018 - 9:12pm
Wendy, do not be fooled thinking China and Russia love each other. They both dislike (a nice term) the other only slightly less than they like the U.S.
Spartacus Added Dec 15, 2018 - 9:36pm
The yellow vest movement in Europe is exactly the same movement in USA that elected Donald Trump.  Rejecting globalism.  Rejecting high taxes.  Rejecting open border nonsense.  Rejecting neoliberal bullshit that just is not working . . . globally.
 
I nearly laughed my ass off to read the progressives here on WB who wish to buy a yellow vest.  OMG how times have changed.  Perhaps it took Europeans (non-Americans) to show the un-American-Americans, who live right here in American, how to embrace freedom again.
 
Stone, I'm not sure what political stripe you are, but I agree with you on this.  It is time for the rise in the middle class.  Here they call us "basket-of-deplorables".  You guys should wear the "Nazi" & "Far right" accusations as a badge of honor.  We have been called that too for about 3 years solid.
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 15, 2018 - 11:24pm
SEF sees difference in
HOW Trump uses boogey men created by US Wars in ME that displaced refugees to Europe the kinder acceptors of our FAKE fear mongering Reagan to Bush war Puppets destroying any chance for fair West peace process. Cheney wanting his OIL at ALL costs which costs too many lives and not American at that.
SEF will never succeed BS threat you use under Trump regime to take out competition decided by white men who were never hungry of forced into ghetto life while working for petty salary. 
WHAT was soo hard for you that can be blamed on the only group of people known to provide NEEDS of Americans whether short or long term is measured by ability, DEMS did that not to keep you down but help you UP. Americans want to be successful at any level and work hard for a salary which need be fair to COLA.
We accepted this a very long time and then RepubliCONS at corporate request or Koch private donations turned back hard earned Union allowance BUT take their FEDERAL teat subsidy like Welfare Queens spoken of, as if they amount to a dent $ compared to Corporate sucking & tax evasion.
It may just be time for demands and BET new Dem Congress pushes fair measures refused by GOP majority, Move forward and reverse the fuckwits kill on labor & ignoring muddle class plight.
America was not great BUT will be and no reason to leave World out of DIGNITY for all humanity!
Just a few degrees pf separation in being born anywhere duh
Granddaughter just born October in Okinawa where they live 3 years. My son took her an Grandson on vacation to South Korea during WHAT hoopla? She got pregnant and he got deployed to Australia almost 9 months & back for birth. They will be back & think he is done with service,
Cheers,
Buggie
 
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Dec 16, 2018 - 12:21am
Buggie...funny, I vaguely remember her battles with Ryan Messano on StinkedIn, I mean, LinkedIn.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 16, 2018 - 4:06am
LOOL Adolf Mao Joe Pot
Stone-Eater Added Dec 16, 2018 - 4:09am
Buggie
 
What you describe for the US applies to Europe as well. That's why I call it an international exploitation network.
opher goodwin Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:07am
William - same causes - wrong answer!
As if Trump was the answer when he's so obviously part of the problem!
Stone-Eater Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:23am
William
 
I don't have a fixed political orientation. I try to apply "common sense" and judge according to the subject. That can be "left" or "right".
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:13pm
SEF,
What would YOU suggest for a truce between the "NOT ALL" often mentioned by yourself concerning Americans, etc. and Global consensus for a fair distribution between ALL nations/people.
Love the business of "Supply Chain" because Logistics require a basic  faith between ALL links to get units between best link providers to distributers or consumers, what ever end user that is,
Read about UPS global having hubs here in USA for Manufacturer abroad who allowed them blueprints to product as effort for time constraints.
If UPS had to send for example, a computer for replacement/repair part back to Japan/China instead of having access in Alabama then long wait ensues. Working together globally and using best link providers along the way is a win-win scenerio.
 
Global trade vision was one of great connecting for World economy which varies in import/export ability. Excess Cocoa from X to excess milk Z is a balanced chain for either hot or cold chocolate milk. Cookies too when we add W flour!
Too much fairness in an unfair market is my desire, sigh
Buggie
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:24pm
SEF,
LOOK at these Cults and I tell you Putin made them!
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/mike-pence-to-speak-at-conference-hosted-by-radical-pastor-john-hagee/
 
Leviev and Blavatnik, both Russian oligarchs, are connected to Chabad Lubavitch of which Ivanka and Jared are members. Adelson has also donated to Chabad. For John Hagee see above link.
 
"Hagee’s views on Israel are closely tied to his belief that the apocalypse is imminent and the Antichrist will soon come to power. As Sarah Posner writes, “Hagee is ultimately less concerned with the fate of Israel or the Jews than with a  theocratic Christian right agenda.”
Back in 2008, John McCain was forced to reject Hagee’s endorsement after Hagee’s extreme record gained national media attention. In one sermon that came to light during the 2008 campaign, Hagee said that God sent Adolf Hitler to the world in order to be a “hunter” of Jews, advancing a divinely inspired plan to push Jews back to the land of Israel"
 
These are extreme ideologies never given attention NEEDED in America because they had NO political power. LOOK now Stone!
Battle cry is STOP arming the invisible enemy of hateful Gods created by very wealthy and powerful white men!
Cheers,
Buggie
John Minehan Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:47pm
"That's right. One can debate about the food, but besides Italy, they have the most beautiful women in Europe. Ah, les Françaises. Reminds me of 69.......;-)"
 
Somewhere, Autumn is hoping you mean the year . . . .  
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 16, 2018 - 6:56pm
SEF,
PLEASE WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY "ACTIVE MEASURES" AND NEVER MIND AMERICA BUT SEE UKRAINE, CRIMEA SHIT AND TELL ME THEY DIED WANTING REGIME ATTACHED TO PUTIN!
No jackets, just protests and death by sniper last episode and sure rebels used Russian rockets on Airliner just to blame Russia, smh.
Are you scared to release the film? Bryan: We’re nervous but you kind of have to get past that very quickly. Listen, is it possible that a Russian mobster or Vladimir Putin will take offense and kill me? I guess it’s possible but it’s also unlikely. If it does happen though there are a whole lot worse things to die for.
 
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8135494/
Events in Ukraine play out in a very similar way. On top of Ukraine's dependence on Russia for oil, a huge part of their economy consists of intermediary companies controlled by Ukrainian/Russian oligarch Dimitry Firtash, who has also been proven to have strong ties to the Mogilevich crime family as well as Paul Manafort, Trump's 2016 campaign chairman.
The film proceeds to make strong comparisons between the disinformation campaign conducted on Yulia Tymoshenko in the 2010 Ukrainian Election and the one conducted on Mikheil Saakashvili in 2012; Russian journalists make claims of her supposed Armenian and Jewish origins.
As a result, Viktor Yanukovych won the election and his administration indicted Tymoshenko on charges of abusing her power in office to initiate a raw gas deal. In 2011, court documents confirmed Paul Manafort's involvement in Ukraine-Russian Energy Trade fraud, as well as racketeering, and money laundering with Firtash, Mogilevich, and yet another Russian oligarch: Oleg Deripaska. It was during this time Manafort secured residency within the Trump Tower.
All I ask is listen to them,
Buggie
Stone-Eater Added Dec 16, 2018 - 7:12pm
Buggie
 
I have no time at the moment to watch much stuff. But only one hint: The west replaced Yankovich by a Western-oriented oligarch, Porochenko and hoped that Ukraine wold join the EU -> NATO. And the NATO extension to the Russian border was also a violation of the Genscher-Gorbachev pact. Russia is to be watched, but in fact it's the West that has been harassing the Russians for the last 40 years. And no-one will bring me to a change of that opinion. The logic and the interests are too obvious, and we here in Europe are too close to what happens here not to see that logic.
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 16, 2018 - 7:41pm
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OK, what's bugging your wallet?
 
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 16, 2018 - 7:54pm
The meaning of globalism varied across the sites. For some websites focused on a U.S. audience, globalism implied a pro-immigrant stance. For more internationally-focused sites, globalism was used to characterize (and criticize) the influence of the U.S. government in other parts of the world. In some of the more conspiracy-focused sites, the term was used to suggest connections to a global conspiracy by rich, powerful people who manipulated the world for their benefit. Globalism was also tied to corporatism — in other words, the ways in which large, multi-national companies exert power over the world. And the term was also connected, implicitly and explicitly, to mainstream media.
In this way, to be anti-globalist could include being anti-mainstream media, anti-immigration, anti-corporation, anti-U.S. government, and anti-European Union. Due to the range of different meanings employed, the sentiment of anti-globalism pulled together individuals (and ideologies) from both the right and the left of the U.S. political spectrum. Disturbingly, much of the anti-globalist content in these alternative media domains was also anti-Semitic — echoing long-lived conspiracy theories about powerful Jewish people controlling world events.
Though we often think of disinformation as being employed to convince us of a specific ideology, in a 2014 article titled “target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noopener">The Menace of Unreality”, Pomerantsev and Weiss describe how Russian disinformation strategies (which they trace back to Lenin) are designed
***not to convince but to confuse***, to create “muddled thinking” within in society. Their strategic argument is that a society who learns it cannot trust information can be easily controlled. It is possible that the current media ecosystem — including the alternative media domains and the social media platforms that help spread links to these domains — is contributing to muddled thinking (a relative or effect perhaps of an crippled epistemology).
For the most part, this political propaganda was focused around “anti-globalism”. This term was used to designate different things in different domains (and even in different articles within the same domains) — e.g. anti-immigration, anti-Western imperialism, anti-corporation, anti-media. Disturbingly, there were also strong currents of antisemitism (sometimes explicit, sometimes less so) across a subsection of this ecosystem. Taken together, these positions seem aligned with and used in support of the rise of nationalist ideologies in the U.S. and elsewhere.
Kristen Foley Added Dec 17, 2018 - 8:22am
While I’m sure you can find people on streets protesting for every reason under the sun, let’s not lose sight of the main thing which spurred the movement...taxes.  Specifically, taxes meant to slow the rise of global warming.  What Macron has learned the hard way is that people don’t like to be taxed for a cause.  Not to mention the fact the tax will do absolutely nothing to slow the growth of global warming even if it were true the Earth was warming and humans were to blame.  If the people must be taxed, tax them for stuff they know they will benefit from like schools, National Defense and roads.
 
 I can understand why Macron was caught off-guard, the people gave every indication that global warming was a worthy cause.  That is, until they had to put their money way where their mouth was.
Bill H. Added Dec 17, 2018 - 11:18am
 
Bug - None of the Trumpies will take the time to view your links, as I have found in the past. The truth will be delivered to all in the not too distant future. If one looks back at the big picture, it becomes oh, so obvious.
Willy- Do you really see the name "Nazi" as a "badge of honor"?
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 17, 2018 - 11:26am
Kristen
 
Global warming is no subject for people who have problems paying the rent and feeding their families.....
Katharine Otto Added Dec 17, 2018 - 1:45pm
Stone,
I can understand the yellow vest movement, because regular people are tired of government promises that break the people.  It seems the international trend is to increase taxes and debt (governmental, corporate, and personal), but these do nothing except fatten already bloated governments, international bankers, and other profit skimmers.
 
While I agree with most of what you say about the US (and the West), I would claim that the international bankers are in control of all the governments, and their power is derived from debt.  No individual or country that is in debt is free.  The way to make America (the US) great again (if it ever was great) would be to get out of debt and quit making promises it has to raise taxes to deliver on.
 
Finally, the comment about Ivanka's $4-plus million penthouse (and pertinent to all the 0.1%'ers' penthouses) leads me to suggest that these people can be leveled (so to speak) by grounding the elevators. 
 
ChetDude Added Dec 17, 2018 - 1:57pm
"Now the problem is that the French didn't check properly who they elected. Macron, a clean and net neoliberal, would correct the imbalance between the lower class which works their ass off and the ones who sit in a bank and get 20'000 $ a month for some clicks on their PC (example) to get by ? The elite Sorbonne, Harvard- and Goldman-steeled politicians would really step down into the gutter and listen to the regular Joe's problems ? I guess there is either ignorance or wishful thinking at play. Macron is Merkel is Stoltenberg is Juncker is Tessie May. The same club."  AND Trump and Clinton and Pelosi and Ryan and McConnell and Schumer.
 
FYI my friend, most of the corporate press and even the "alternative" sources here in USAmerica hardly mentioned Macron's neoliberal, bankster background but rather called him a "leftist"...amusing, eh?  He wasn't the neo-Nazi lePen...again, it was typical, superficial, issue-free horse-race coverage of that political campaign -- same as ours are...
ChetDude Added Dec 17, 2018 - 2:00pm
Alas, as I posted elsewhere, we're all sort of arguing over scraps;
 
The elites in China, the U.S., BRICS, the EU, etc. are a bunch of passengers on the Titanic feverishly rearranging the deck chairs on the fantail as the band plays on and the ship sinks beneath the waves.

Even if you're among the very few who keep their ostrich heads in the sand and refuse to accept the Science behind AGW/Climate Change (which WILL make our environment less friendly to large air-breathers in the near future - sorry boys) there are still not enough resources available to support even the 7 1/2 billion people currently alive (8% of all who have EVER lived) for too much longer (Earth Overshoot Day was on Aug 1 this year - 3 days earlier than last year) nor can our Planet repair the damage done by the massive quantities of pollution and waste our fossil-fueled, industrial growth paradigm is producing, even when the fruits of that experiment are not widely shared.


So the cosmic joke is that the (capitalist) U.S., (capitalist) EU and (capitalist) China will ALL be losers unless the paradigm is radically changed soon into a downsized, powered down, sharing economy with a population of humans that the Planet can sustainably support... We must begin living within our means and stress Development over growth and Quality of Life over standard of living.


Or - Best of luck to Mother Nature's next evolutionary experiment.
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Dec 17, 2018 - 2:20pm
Over here, the yellow vests would make it easier for the cops to gun them down, day and night. Bad tactics, lol.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 17, 2018 - 2:28pm
That is some great movement happening in France that they would like to keep away from the moronic Americans.  They know if they give hungry Blacks some food stamps., a small welfare check, and sports, they can keep them hungry, victimized and placated. Sports is another way the system used to keep moronic Whites quite. Such a shame. Rising gas and food prices here leads to no reaction from the people. Look, however, how the kneeling protest is being termed as unAmerican, pitting hungry Whites against discriminated against Blacks. more power to the French. Don't fall for the American french fries okey-doke.
Neil Lock Added Dec 17, 2018 - 3:16pm
Dr. Rupert: Yes, I think you're on the right lines. "Bread and circuses" from Roman times, no? But those who, like the people in France (and me!), have suffered and are suffering their chance to earn their bread being stolen from them, soon cease to care about the circuses!
 
ChetDude: I liked your Titanic analogy, until... you overplayed your hand. If I may say so, you regurgitated the elitist line superbly. You're one of them!
Stone-Eater Added Dec 17, 2018 - 6:12pm
Katharine
 
Thanks.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 17, 2018 - 6:16pm
Chet
 
My ecologic footprint is very small, I don't even have a car or a bike, I have no pets, live in a single room in Switzerland and I don't eat much meat or dairy products ;-)
 
I can't help it that the majority of people are so stupid to define "standard of living" by having shopping as a hobby and buy a new version of whatever digital shit every year or two just to feel "trendy" - or drive a SUV to get from one downtown to another....
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 17, 2018 - 7:21pm
OOPS.
How does one fight a system that embraces Tupac and Instagram but compares Obama to a monkey and deems the Internet a CIA invention? That censors online information but provides a happy platform to the founder of WikiLeaks, a self-styled purveyor of total “transparency”? That purports to disdain corporate greed and celebrates Occupy Wall Street while presiding over an economy as corrupt as Nigeria’s? That casts an Anschluss of a neighboring country using the grammar of both blood-and-soil nationalism and anti-fascism? This is why American social reactionaries, Australian anarchists, British anti-imperialists and Hungarian neo-Nazis all find so much to favor in the application of Putinism, at home and abroad. Putinism is whatever they want it to be.
 
The Kremlin exploits the openness of liberal democracies to use the Orthodox Church and expatriate NGOs to further aggressive foreign policy goals.
There is an attempt to co-opt parts of the expert community in the West via such bodies as the Valdai Forum, which critics accuse of swapping access for acquiescence. Other senior Western experts are given positions in Russian companies and become de facto communications representatives of the Kremlin.
Financial PR firms and hired influencers help the Kremlin’s cause by arguing that “finance and politics should be kept separate.” But whereas the liberal idea of globalization sees money as politically neutral, with global commerce leading to peace and interdependence, the Kremlin uses the openness of global markets as an opportunity to employ money, commerce and energy as foreign policy weapons. 
THe West’s acquiescence to sheltering corrupt Russian money demoralizes the Russian opposition while making the West more dependent on the Kremlin.  
The Kremlin is helping foster an anti-Western, authoritarian International that is becoming ever more popular in Central Europe and throughout the world.
The weaponization of information, culture and money is a vital part of the Kremlin’s hybrid, or non-linear, war, which combines the above elements with covert and small-scale military operations. 
The conflict in Ukraine saw non-linear war in action.
Other rising authoritarian states will look to copy Moscow’s model of hybrid war and the West has no institutional or analytical tools to deal with it. 
Russia combines Soviet-era “whataboutism” and Chekist “active measures” with a wised-up, postmodern smirk that says that everything is a sham.
Where the Soviets once co-opted and repurposed concepts such as “democracy,” “human rights” and “sovereignty” to mask their opposites, the Putinists use them playfully to suggest that not even the West really believes in them.
Gitmo, Iraq, Ferguson, BP, Jobbik, Schröder—all liberalism is cant, and anyone can be bought. (bought the mind of Stone)
Tootles really DID lose his marbles,
~The Bug~
 
Jeff Michka Added Dec 17, 2018 - 7:56pm
The only yellow in America is folks like ol "complaining, crying Geeho R, he doesn't need a vest.  He is too old to be the elite he wants to be, so talks up this "I'm so wise and want change," but never advocates anything, just complains and looks for sympathy, but has no problem calling people that do things "stupid".  The same people that defended "crying Geeho," so ol Geeho has no loyalty, and no effort is to small not to be done.
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 17, 2018 - 8:39pm
SEF,
Follow the German on twitter and get the REAL news aha.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-16/new-anti-orban-demonstration-held-in-hungary-as-thousands-rally
 
Protests against Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s regime grew as an initial call to repeal a law on overtime work widened into a demand for a return to liberal democracy, including independent courts and free public media.
 
BLOWBACK BEGINS AND SO IT WILL END THAT NONSENSE JURG!
Guatemala EvangeliCULT theft and payment to ex Presidential Admin, drug cartel WOMAN leader aha ha, Never lasts!
Lets check on what VESTS are really about, shall we?
Cheers! 
Wendy Bugliari Added Dec 17, 2018 - 8:47pm
The French Communist Party plans to feature members of the so-called Yellow Jackets movement on its list of candidates in next year’s European Parliament election, the party said Monday.
“There will be union representatives on the European list but also Yellow Jackets. We cannot go into the European election without taking into account what has happened in the last few weeks,” said the party’s national secretary, Fabien Roussel, according to target="_blank">Reuters.
 
OH RT is not bias or Russian method of spreading division Jurg?!
 
The spontaneous, leaderless Yellow Jackets movement — named for the high-visibility vests worn by demonstrators — kicked off last month to protest against rising fuel prices and a planned fuel tax, which the government has since abandoned. It has morphed into an anti-Emmanuel Macron movement, reflecting frustration over a broader range of issues and causing the French president’s approval ratings to slip even further.
 
Will see SEF, will see but keep open minded sir learns a lot!
Stone-Eater Added Dec 17, 2018 - 11:34pm
If we let the  NWO allow mass migration, dumbing down the people down by media control and cashless society, the complete mixing of races and cultures, we'll end up with a one nation world of unithink unibehave unispeak where people live in minimum wage, or dependence on the state, middle class will be gone, robots do all the work (compare how many jobs will be gone when the current motor engine of 1000 parts will be reduced by 100 parts for an electric car par example)....
 
Check out Dirk Müller on KenFm on YT for that..
Thomas Napers Added Dec 18, 2018 - 4:42am
It’s a dangerous precedent when people use mob violence to get what they want and the government succumbs because of it.  If people don’t like higher taxes to combat global warming, there is legal way to show their displeasure and enact the change they’re looking for.  Now France is in a worse situation than before the violence, as once empowered, there is no telling what other demands the mob makes.  Lo and behold, you think the mob should be given good paying jobs and/or more government welfare.  That’s a demand Macron can’t possibly accommodate.  Let’s hope the mob sees it my way. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 18, 2018 - 5:27am


"It’s a dangerous precedent when people use mob violence to get what they want and the government succumbs because of it.  If people don’t like higher taxes to combat global warming, there is legal way to show their displeasure and enact the change they’re looking for" (Napers)
 
Excellent point of view, Napers. But can the "mob" not emulate America's pink pussy movement to actualize the Blue wave of women who swept the last election?
 
"Now France is in a worse situation than before the violence, as once empowered, there is no telling what other demands the mob makes" (Napers).
 
Precedence can be seen in what occurred with the Brotherhood in Egypt.
 
"Lo and behold, you think the mob should be given good paying jobs and/or more government welfare.  That’s a demand Macron can’t possibly accommodate.  Let’s hope the mob sees it my way" (Napers).
 
Is that what it is all about? I recall in the 90s a wave of protest in Europe, Norway and other nations caused by unemployed and disenchanted youth resulted.  Wonder if new wars are need to provide employment and the culling of the population?


 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 18, 2018 - 2:46pm
Thomas
 
Yeah. Mob violence. People who realize that they're a fucked of their existence, and they defend themselves are a MOB.
 
How can YOU ever judge that 6'000 or more miles away without ever having lived these conditions here ? By watching US TV channels ?
Thomas Napers Added Dec 18, 2018 - 4:38pm
Raising the fuel tax by 30 cents isn’t akin to being fucked of one’s existence.  Again, the people voted for Macron and he used his authority to raise taxes.  That’s the way government is supposed to work, the people vote and their elected officials enact the agenda they campaigned on.  It’s not supposed to bend and twist based on how many Molotov Cocktails the mob throws. 
 
I see you on these pages opining on American issues.  Seeing your also thousands of miles away, by your logic, I guess that means you should keep your mouth shut. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 18, 2018 - 5:41pm
Thomas
 
Ok. You shut up about Europe and I shut up about the US, deal ? LOL
Jeff Michka Added Dec 18, 2018 - 8:10pm
Gee, it's come down to people giving each other permission to talk "about Europe," or "about America?  Glad SEFa is still around.  I don't have any plans to be on WB while we're in Italy, and doubt I will return, even if we come home, and conversation around here says it's about 50-50 chance we will come back to the States.  Why?  To note, SEFa, we'll be in Switzerland for a few days late in Oct 2019.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 19, 2018 - 4:02am
Jeff
 
I'll be there in October because in Senegal October is the malaria season, terribly humid and hot just after the rainy season is finished. I've seen it this year again. You will recognize me wearing a yellow vest and carrying a sign: "This is not about fuel tax. It's about general life conditions. Fuel tax was just the trigger" ;-) (Specifially for Thomas....)
Johnny Fever Added Dec 19, 2018 - 5:27am
Are the television images of the rioters different in France than they are in the United States?  Or are we here in the United States viewing fake news?
Leroy Added Dec 19, 2018 - 7:16am
"I never have, and never will understand why Americans hate the French so much, and vice-versa. France is a great nation, full of great people, and most important, their great women and their better food, lol."
 
I almost spit my coffee out.  Actually, I agree with you.  They can be a pain in the butt.  Americans generally know little about history but one thing they do remember is when France refused the US request to fly over France when Reagan delivered his present to Qadaffi. It's suppressing how many Americans hold a grudge.  I suppose the dislike goes back further.  I have observed the love-hate relationship between the French and the British.  The origin must be in there somewhere.  It is reinforced by Hollywood.  Remember the Coneheads.  Their cover was that the were from France.
Leroy Added Dec 19, 2018 - 7:19am
In response to Dave, I read headlines a few days ago that the yellow vest moment was starting in Canada.  In light of his holier than thou attitude towards the US, I find some irony in his comment.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 19, 2018 - 2:09pm
Vests are of no use. Buy more ammo. 
Ward Tipton Added Dec 20, 2018 - 10:18am
More powder and lead ... I make my own ammo. 
 
And as for the food in France? I would argue against that ... but the wine? Bordeaux? Burgundy? Oh yeah. Count me in! ... Oh ... and they do make really good cheese and bread and pastry too ... but gotta get the Krauts for sausages and hams. (Or Hillbillies who make it just slightly better ;)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 20, 2018 - 8:45pm
:))))))))
Ward Tipton Added Dec 20, 2018 - 11:40pm
And Belgium and Switzerland just because  I remember how much Stone likes chocolate ... everybody loves chocolate Stone ... c'mon ... seriously? 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 21, 2018 - 5:25am
Ward
 
I'm dead serious. I don't like chocolate too much, I hate cheese, and I hate winter. I can't do skiing (I wouldn't like it anyway), and I hate our "culture" of talking behind people's backs. That's why I liked Australia and Canada so much. And...Africa. I was definitively born in the wrong place, but luckily one can change that :-)
Ward Tipton Added Dec 21, 2018 - 5:52am
I love Oz, but then again I love cheese and winter too ... not enough snow in Oz or here. Africa was interesting in a tragic sort of way ... heartbreaking in some means ... though some have described the Philippines as the Asian answer to Africa, comparing the twain ... which in many ways is accurate. I too was born in the wrong place, but at present, just kinda stuck til I can rebuild the new me. 
 
PS If you get any chocolate in your Humbug Leggings, you can always save it for me ... we get the best Belgian dark chocolate here but have not had any for years. 

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