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If you haven't seen this temper tantrum from an unhinged leftist you need to. 

 

Link: Xhale City Vape Shop employee has epic meltdown over Trump Shirt

 

This one is better with commentary...

 

Link: Xhale City Vape Shop employee has epic meltdown over Trump Shirt (with commentary)

 

THIS is the irrational, hate-filled, mindset of many (no not a majority but many) on the far left.  It is disturbing that they have reached the point where they think this type of behavior is acceptable and even justified.  It comes down to this.  The unhinged left thinks we (the right) are so evil that we deserve this.  We should not to be allowed to patronize businesses or restaurants.  We should not to be allowed to own businesses.  We should not even be employed.  Why?  Because we do not subscribe to their belief systems.

 

I’m going to say this point blank concerning the true evil in all of this.  They project upon us the things they are; stupid, racist, intolerant, hate-filled, and fascist.  This video is a great reflection of that truth.

 

What We Just Saw:

A few notes on this particular nut-job...

 

The clerk sanctimoniously threatens to call the police if the customer doesn't stop recording (and leave).  It is hilarious to watch the meltdown when the customer says, "That would be awesome."  His tantrum goes downhill from there... immediately degrading into unhinged profanity, accusations, and assault.  The perp (perp because of the assault) then threatens and pretends to call his boss and then just screams his little head off from there on. (I obviously call bullshit on the fake boss call, see below)

 

 

As for the customer, I'm impressed that he was as rational and in control as he was; though I wish he could have maintained that initial calm throughout the entire scenario.  Granted, that was something I never could have pulled off myself.

 

Some would say the customer trolled the snowflake clerk, and there is some truth to that; but I would depict the customer as simply calling each and every bluff the deranged moron presented.

 

Good News:

There is some good news in all of this.

 

1) The company, Xhale, gave the exact response every corporate citizen should; "To our friends and customers, Tonight we had an employee act improperly towards a customer, Xhale City does not tolerate this kind of behavior from its employees.  When we identified the employee at fault, we fired him immediately.  We've also spoken to the customer and apologized.  We value our clients and treat them with respect and dignity regardless of their political views."

 

2) As the company stated the clerk was fired.  I didn't hear that his boss was also fired indicating the likelihood that he never talked to his boss.  (Thus the call was fake.)

 

Bad News:

Unfortunately, the overall message I get from this video is... there is little hope for the country given the number of people who share this clerk’s views, his level of hatred, and his lack of ability to reason or control himself.  Give this guy a club and a stick, put him on the streets, and he would be an ANTIFA hero to many.

 

It is this irrational vitriol that allows the likes of ANTIFA to apply their trade, allows for conservatives to be hounded out of restaurants; allows families to be terrorized in their own homes.  It is as evil as any race supremacists who would resort to the same tactics (but today, much more prevalent).  I pity those who don't see this.  I pity the country for the fact that so many of her citizens have reached this state of mind.

Comments

Ryan Messano Added Dec 31, 2018 - 10:10pm
Great post, Texas. I just did an article on this as well,  You are right.
Leroy Added Dec 31, 2018 - 10:36pm
Great post, Lynn.  Nothing else to add.
 
Well, except for Franklin Graham being banned from Facebook for a 2016 post regarding the NC law.  No doubt some prick inside Facebook found a post that triggered him and he set the procedure in motion that banned him.  Facebook ended up with egg on its face (no pun intended) for that one.  If it had been me, it would be a lifetime ban.
Bill H. Added Dec 31, 2018 - 10:47pm
 
Anyone who wears a Trump shirt has their head up their ass, as does anyone who wears an Obama shirt.
Partisan politics is at least childish and in reality, totally idiotic.
 
Ryan Messano Added Dec 31, 2018 - 10:48pm
True, Leroy. Bill demonstrates the mindlessness that got him banned from my post.
Bill H. Added Dec 31, 2018 - 10:50pm
RM - Should I really be concerned about being banned from your posts?
I don't think so!
You are just a simple Troll, so who gives a shit.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 31, 2018 - 10:58pm
Thank you, Bill.  Triggering snowflakes is easy.  You respond with lies and obscenity, along with profanity.  Do try to avoid those and learn self control.  This is why you are banned from my post.  You have no self control and you repeat whatever the idiot media says. 
FacePalm Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:09pm
Tex-
i watched a replay of Infowars yesterday, where AJ interviewed the guy.  He's interviewed him again, today.  He said that within an hour of him reporting the unhinged employee, he was quite rightfully fired.
 
He further stated that a boycotting campaign of that store had been started, and he wanted people to knock it off; the company acted swiftly and appropriately, apologized AND asked the customer if there was anything else they could do to make it right.
 
A good man.
 
...with the possible exception of his KNOWING in advance that Pro-Trump gear would trigger leftist snowflakes, so he does it DELIBERATELY.  i say "yay."
 
Remember all the Republicans rioting when the democrats re-took the House in November?  Yeah, me neither.  If, instead, Republicans had not only maintained their lead, but increased it?  Whoa, Nellie!  There'd've been riots nationwide.
Ryan Messano Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:16pm
Sounds nice, Facepalm, except you lie down with liberal dogs and get up with liberal fleas.  Try to get a backbone one day, and save your pride sermon for someone who doesn't mind hypocrites. 
Leroy Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:18pm
"Anyone who wears a Trump shirt has their head up their ass, as does anyone who wears an Obama shirt."
 
You're right, Bill.  But, I am not triggered by someone wearing O paraphernalia.  Neither should anyone else.  The same goes for Trump paraphernalia.  My neighbors still have Hillary bumper stickers on their Priuses.  I just think, "Idiots!" and move on with my life.  I just watch my back when I am mowing my lawn.
Bill H. Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:24pm
 
As I do when I see Trump stickers on the local "Coal Rollin" pickup trucks.
Leroy Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:35pm
"As I do when I see Trump stickers on the local "Coal Rollin" pickup trucks."
 
So, you agree that the guy in the story acted irrationally?
Ward Tipton Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:36pm
An opposing viewpoint apparently "deserves" a violent response these days ... because you know ... lighting someone up for daring to have a differing viewpoint is just so ... progressive!
 
Conservatism really does seem to increasingly be the new Counter-Culture.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:56pm
So how's that whole "they hate us for our freedoms" nonsense GWB tried to sell you workin' out for ya? Hmm? 
FacePalm Added Dec 31, 2018 - 11:57pm


From what i recall of the video and the guy himself, he confessed to having got into some trouble in the past, enough that he was ordered to anger counseling/management at least twice, so he's learned to master his anger before his anger masters him.
AJ interviewed him on Sunday, when he was on the job repairing a cellphone tower; caught him first when he was aloft, then the interview concluded in the guy's truck,
 
i like AJ; he's a truth-teller.  He was the "beta test," to see if the leftist corporate-types could make an example of him, then move on from AJ to getting away with silencing multiple other conservative voices, also now stilled and removed from their platforms.  Indeed, the host of the most highly-rated radio talk show in the country, Michael Savage, is being terminated from his position, as well. as he's already had his 3-hour show cut to 1 hour.  The PtB in his case intend to turn his audience over to a neo-con, that nutbar Ben Shapiro...count me among those who will reject the attempted bait'n'switch.
 
So because leftists cannot win debates with intelligent rebuttal, they resort to banning them from the public square, as if that means they "win."
 
My suggestion would be this, for everyone who's been banned.  Sue.  The owning and running of a corporation is a privilege, not a right, and is conditional on whether or not it is operated "in the public interest."  It is decidedly NOT "in the public interest" for them to be able to infringe upon a Right secured by the honor and integrity of the oaths officeholders swore, the First Amendment.
 
Yank their charters - or threaten to - and you'll see a quick about-face.

TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 12:18am
All, thanks for reading my post and glad you liked it.
 
In a reverse scenario... please view:
Transgender Goes Off On GameStop Employee
 
In this case, the clerk is the one who is respectful and rational.  And personally, the guy pulls of the woman thing so poorly, I would have instinctively called him “sir” too.  And, as the representative of the store, I would have apologized just as the clerk did.
 
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Leroy,
Facebook (and Twitter and Google) is constantly doing this crap and it's always against someone conservative or religious (not leftist).  It well past time they are held accountable.
 
Step One... remove the erroneous legal protections these companies enjoy concerning breeches in privacy, sharing of data, and hiding behind Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act when they pick and choose the "news" to be distributed (and censored).
 
It gets back to, when you pick a side, don't pretend to be neutral... and don't expect to be treated as a neutral.
 
It kind of reminds me of rules of engagement in times of war.  If you're caught while wearing the uniform you're entitled to certain treatment.  If you're caught engaging in war outside that uniform the consequences are much different... often resulting in a scratchy rope around your neck.
 
I will give credit to Franklin Graham for handling the slight against him in the most Christian of responses... forgiveness.  That doesn't mean we allow this evil to continue.
 
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Bill >> Partisan politics is at least childish and in reality, totally idiotic.
 
That's just stupid Bill.  There is nothing wrong with someone wearing a political shirt of any stripe, or religious stripe, or school pride stripe.
 
Chill... 
 
Bill >> Should I really be concerned about... You (Ryan) are just a simple Troll, so who gives a shit.
 
Please leave this stuff somewhere else.  You guys are all upset that Ryan gives you ^%$# but here you are on my thread throwing it at him first.  What do you expect him to do now?
 
I deleted the one most vulgar of your comments (FYI).
 
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Ryan, I ask you to refrain from turning this into a back and forth so I can keep my thread clean... You seem to have done that already, so thank you.
 
Speaking of which, please give FaceP a bit of a break.  He made some very good points here.  Points concerning the content of my post is what I (and I suspect my readers) want to see.
 
We all let each other down from time to time.  I'm no angel.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 12:19am
Leroy >> You're right, Bill.  But, I am not triggered by someone wearing O paraphernalia.
 
Exactly the point of this post, Leroy.
 
Yes... I'm sure we can find an example of a conservative not behaving as he/she should... but it's not pandemic as it is on the left.
 
Leroy >> My neighbors still have Hillary bumper stickers...
 
I have a cousin who worked for the Obama administration (works for Beto now).  We see each other a few times a year.  We can even talk politics and rib each other.  I love the guy (even though he's an idiot). :)
 
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FP >> i watched a replay of Infowars yesterday, where AJ interviewed the guy.  He's interviewed him again, today.  He said that within an hour of him reporting the unhinged employee, he was quite rightfully fired.
 
I didn't see the interview, but that's what I read from various sources.  It looks like the vape company did the right thing all the way around.  Good for them. 
 
FP >> He further stated that a boycotting campaign of that store had been started, and he wanted people to knock it off; the company acted swiftly and appropriately, apologized AND asked the customer if there was anything else they could do to make it right.
 
Exactly.  I admit there are companies I don't patronize for assorted reasons, but I'm no fan of boycotts.  If conservatives are considering boycotting this business, they are in the wrong.  If liberals are, they are too, but that's their business.
 
FP >> A good man.
 
Yes.  He's doing the right thing all the way around.  He even tried to give the clerk a break.  I think if the clerk would have just shut up and checked him out, he'd have dropped it.
 
FP >> ...with the possible exception of his KNOWING in advance that Pro-Trump gear would trigger leftist snowflakes, so he does it DELIBERATELY.  i say "yay."
 
Well if that is his main reason, I do hope he re-evaluates that part of it.  I make statements (shirts, bumper stickers, WB posts) that I know will trigger snowflakes... but it's not the main reason I do it.  It's just a bonus. :)
 
FP >> Remember all the Republicans rioting when the democrats re-took the House in November?  Yeah, me neither. 
 
Exactly.  This is very, very, very, very... lopsided and has been since 2016.
 
FP >> If, instead, Republicans had not only maintained their lead, but increased it?  Whoa, Nellie!  There'd've been riots nationwide.
 
I can only imagine.  We may still get the chance to see that in two short years.
 
Great comment, thanks.
 
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 12:20am
WT >> An opposing viewpoint apparently "deserves" a violent response these days...
 
That does seem to be the way the far left is going.  A man can't eat in a restaurateur with his wife.  He can't go to work without worrying about a mob showing up at his house to terrorize his family.  He can't run a business without some activists targeting and suing him with the help of the state.  AND, he can't walk into a store and conduct a simple transaction.
 
And this is 90+ percent caused by leftist vitriol.
 
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JG >> So how's that whole "they hate us for our freedoms" nonsense GWB tried to sell you workin' out for ya? Hmm?
 
That one flew over my head JG... GWB said that in reference to the Islamic terrorists, if I'm not mistaken... not the leftists.
 
And the Islamic terrorists do hate us because of our liberty and freedom, which is diametrically opposite of what Islam offers (meaning slavery).
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 12:53am
Texas, when will you realize this is a war?  When you do, life will get a lot easier. 
 
You are commanded in Ezekiel 33, along with Facepalm, to BLOW YOUR TRUMPET!!  That means every day, every minute, every breath.  With no exceptions. When an enemy is approaching, DOES THE WATCHMAN BLOW ONCE, AND THEN BE NICE AND GIVE THE ATTACKERS HOT CHOCOLATE?  Because your getting along with the liberals is what that is.  Not really. And in Ezekiel it says that if anyone fails to warn the wicked, THE BLOOD OF THE WICKED IS ON THEIR HEAD!  And let us examine Elijah, who mocked the prophets of Baal, which is what the leftists on here are, before God's fired consumed them. 
 
Why would you ever give into leftist whining?  They seek to divide and conquer constantly?  I see the swear words you use occasionally.  You have some work of your own to do, though you do admit it.  But admitting it is only part of the battle.  The truth is, your carnal nature sympathizes with them, because you haven't mortified the flesh.  I have no allies.  Any who obey God are my friend, any who oppose Him are my enemy.  And in Romans it says those who compromise with wicked people are worthy of death as well. 
 
I'm extremely hesitant about allying with any on the right, because the churches are such a wreck that most Christians are a bunch of wimpy push overs, who don't understand the severity of stumbling on the rock of offense. 
 
To equate me with the left is totally insane, unless there are other factors at play.  Facepalm and Bill deserve everything they have gotten from me, and Facepalm is the biggest hypocrite conservative on here.  An unscrupulous and proud charlatan who can't bear to be criticized but who has no problem fence-straddling. 
 
Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
[3] If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
[4] Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
[5] He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
[6] But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
[7] So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
[8] When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
[9] Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:02am
 
As if we don't have enough to do fighting the left, we have to constantly worry about friendly fire from the right.  I've never attacked you for your attacks on the left, and I only ask you extend the same favor to me.  And Facepalm deserves every attack he gets, for consorting with the left against the right.  Where I come from that's called a traitor, the word Michka falsely uses against you, daily. 
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:02am
Tex-
Ian Ferguson, that's the guy's name, the customer who did the recording.
 
As to "commandments," as long as you're obedient to Christ, you can ignore both Ezekiel and the previous poster.  Only HE is the Cornerstone.  Only HE is King of kings and Lord of lords.  All must conform to HIM, and no one else, if they're servants of Truth, of Love, and of Light, all of which are attributes of the Most High and His Son.  Those who serve neither Truth, nor Light, nor Love expose themselves readily enough.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:05am
That's your problem, Facepalm, you don't even know the purity standards of the moral law, WHICH HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE ADAM AND EVE AND WHICH CHRIST NEVER CHANGED.  Even the Jews understood it, along with the Pharisees.  But you don't.  You have no idea what Christ stood for, as you haven't even come close to understanding the standards he has for everyone.  His sacrifice was to cleanse us so that we might GO AND SIN NO MORE.  But you fully intend on continuing sinning, TRAMPLING AFRESH CHRIST ON THE CROSS.  You have a terrible punishment waiting for you, worse than the heathens. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:06am
And it's interesting  you'll quote Proverbs to me on pride, but you'll throw Ezekiel away when it pricks your conscience. Selective learning from the OT, Aye.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:38am
Tex-
i don't read much of anything the hypocrite posts; i happened to catch "commandment" and "Ezekiel" as i scanned past his typical drivel, attempting once again to use the bible to beat people down with, rather than what Christ did, which was to lift up and encourage.  But his comeuppance is on it's way; the One to whom he pays lip-service but ignores quite clear commands like "Have a care how you speak, for by your words will you be justified, and by your words will you be condemned" is not fooled, and neither will He retreat from "Judgment will be without mercy to one who has shown no mercy."  Not to mention the usual
"With the measure that ye mete will it be measured unto you again," a very clear and precise instruction.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 2:13am
Mogg, it is nice to be civil and tactful, but when a leopard shows you his spots, believe him.  I don't randomly attack people on here.  The ones I do, I have very good reason to attack them, and they are fully aware of why.  Their choices are what earn the attacks.  They can change anytime. 
 
Facepalm: Tex-
i don't read much of anything the hypocrite posts; i happened to catch "commandment" and "Ezekiel" as i scanned past his typical drivel, attempting once again to use the bible to beat people down with, rather than what Christ did, which was to lift up and encourage.
 
Christ was addressing people who all understood the moral law.  You totally reject it and say you are obeying Christ.  Maybe you do this unintentionally. 
  But his comeuppance is on it's way; the One to whom he pays lip-service but ignores quite clear commands like "Have a care how you speak, for by your words will you be justified, and by your words will you be condemned" is not fooled, and neither will He retreat from "Judgment will be without mercy to one who has shown no mercy." 
 
Spare me.  You consort with the wicked, then claim God's backing.  Christ never consorted with the openly wicked.  When they sought him out, he was there, but he didn't adjust to their wickedness, LIKE YOU DO.  You keep threatening, you charlatan, as you uphold the most base libertinism.  I have never in my entire life come across someone as deluded as you.  A person who finds nothing wrong with homosexuality, masturbation, and porn, but wants to warn me of Gods wrath coming upon me and then goes on TO QUOTE THE PASSAGE ON JUDGING, AS YOU MISS THE FACT IT WAS INTENDED FOR YOU, YOU HYPOCRITE.   You don't walk around with massive moral WILLFUL sins in your eyes, and try to lecture others on how they need to be treating you or others.  Got that?
 
 
Not to mention the usual
"With the measure that ye mete will it be measured unto you again," a very clear and precise instruction.
 
Fitting you use the most misquoted passage in the Bible. Like most lukewarm Christians you butcher it.
Cullen Writes Added Jan 1, 2019 - 2:47am
That's humanity. The dark side of human nature is something everyone has to war against to master it.
 
For people who...for lack of a better word...pretend they don't have a dark side, and thus have no experience trying to deny it or master it, will be controlled by their base emotions (and probably have a miserable life in the process).
Ward Tipton Added Jan 1, 2019 - 2:57am
Not in any small part due to growing up with parents who preferred to be "friends" and did not believe in discipline to teach that there are consequences for their actions. This person who is wholly unable to control their emotional temper tantrums will be held up as a martyr in his own social circles and wrongly compared to the Christian man who, while not refusing to serve the person entering their store, did refuse to create a custom work of art for them specifically for a purpose that they have religious grounds to oppose. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 1, 2019 - 3:14am
That one flew over my head JG...
 
Yep, sure did. 
 
opher goodwin Added Jan 1, 2019 - 4:33am
Seems a big fuss to make about a young guy who completely lost it. I think you're reading too much into it. There's a lot of emotional shit and tribalism at the moment. People are going out of their way to wind people up. The kid was a fool to act the way he did - that's all.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 5:14am
Opher-
There are quite a few people in America who act this way today; apparently, you've not seen the multiple video'd attacks on people whose only "crime" was to wear gear promoting the president...and the people being attacked were also women and even old wounded men in wheelchairs.  Locks in socks smashed over a guy's head - and the guy getting into the "smash the fash" mindset moment was a Berkley college professor, no less.
 
It was a Good Thing that this store clerk got fired. 
 
Based on recent history - like the woman who flipped off the president's motorcade then got fired from her gov't job - leftist do-gooders will start up a GoFundMe page for this criminal engaged in both verbal and physical assault, and help him "get paid for opposing Trump."  If that happens, i'd fully support Ian Ferguson in a lawsuit for the assault committed on him; i'd love to see a repeat of Stormy Daniels again, the porno star who tried to engage in yet MORE extortion of Trump(she got over a hundred large the first time) - and was compelled to pay Trump's legal fees defending himself from that criminal.  Yep, all those people who donated to her cause?  All that dough went straight to Trump, and it couldn't've happened to a nicer bunch of people who had financially supported a criminal extortionist.
 
On another subject, a certain arrogant, haughty, ignorant attacker of people needs to take a lesson from either Mark 4:24 or Luke 6:38 or both.  You see, Christ gives all of us a choice: humble ourselves, or BE humbled.  This happens regularly, faster now what with near-instant karma.
 
Back to Ian Ferguson, later on in AJ's interview of him, Ian says that even if he knew that clerk's name, he wouldn't give it out; Ian feels he's already suffered enough from being fired and the video which humiliated him.  AJ is offering to have the attacker on his show, to attempt to "de-program" him, with Ian's assistance.  Somehow, i'm thinkin' the former clerk will not be amenable to a free ride from Georgia to Texas(and back) for such an experience...especially if some idiot starts a gofundme and he makes big bux for being an insane prick.  i could see this guy being a guest on both Kimmel and on Colbert, too - they'd lionize him for a day or three, then he'd vanish back into the woodwork, just like Blasé-Ford is trying to do - though i think that she, too, should be sued.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 5:27am
Facepalm, kindly do not reference Christ when you blatantly violate the moral law of the universe.  Thank you!!  When you Submit to Him, then you'll be able to war for Him, not before.  No righteous man in history was not called proud.  It's the favorite tactic  of those who love their evil.  They would rather attack the messenger, than their own sins.  Pretty despicable. 
 
You wish ill upon me, rather than mortifying your own dirty sins, which, never mind fighting, you CAN'T EVEN PUBLICLY ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG.  Dealing with stubborn, rebellious, and malicious types like you shows me why God dealt so harshly with 7th commandment sins.  Your type is so vicious and implacable, wily, deceitful, and absolutely refuse to heed God's commands. Don't argue and get mad at me, get mad at your Creator.  Like Balaam who attacked his donkey for trying to show him God's will, you simply are fighting the universe, and you'll never win.  Best to submit, because that humility you want to teach me about is what you need before God. Not sure what kind of God you are serving, but it's not the God of the Bible.  As for your malevolent imprecations, keep saying it and say it LOUDER!!   Your God, Baal, appears to be asleep, and needs you to wake him up. 
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 7:26am
Everyone who attacks others will be attacked.
Everyone who shows contempt for fellow human beings will be treated with contempt.
Everyone who scorns anyone will be scorned.
Everyone who demeans others will be demeaned.
Everyone who despises others will be despised.
Everyone who mocks others will be mocked.
 
This is a natural progression from "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," "Give, and it will be given unto you," "With the measure that ye mete, it will be measured unto you again," and "As ye would not that men do unto you, do not unto them."
 
Everyone who fails to give heed?  "The wise man sees danger, and hides himself; the foolish go on, and suffer for it."
"One who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck, will suddenly be broken beyond healing."
 
Those who do these things have been warned.  Those who ignore warnings do so at their own peril.
Leroy Added Jan 1, 2019 - 7:27am
I'm surprised the grammar queens haven't shown up yet.
opher goodwin Added Jan 1, 2019 - 7:41am
Face - there's no excuse for people behaving that way. It sure sounds as if things have got polarised and rubbish out there in the States.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 7:44am
Tex-
Yes, i saw that guy who thought he was a girl do the meltdown thing, too. 
From what i've heard and read, "gender dysphoria" is a real mental illness, and has a VERY high suicide rate, even among those who apparently get their wish to change genders.  Unfortunately, quite a few states are buying into the notion that insanity should be "normalized."
 
There are 2 genders, male and female.  If a female takes male hormones and gets a toy penis they can pump up when necessary, this will not change their DNA, nor will any cells in their bodies change from female to male, with the possible exception of the testosterone injections - and the reverse is true for males to females, with the exception of estrogen injections to feminize their bodies.
 
That said, quite a lot of foods today contain soy products that have been genetically engineered to contain estrogen mimickers which feminize men, anyway, just like atrazine does in the water supply.  Just a heads-up for those who want to stay as male as possible...purify your water, avoid soy as much as is humanly possible.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 7:45am
Leroy-
I was tempted to point out "breathe," but decided to hold my peace.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 7:55am
Sorry, Facepalm.  There are absolute standards of right and wrong.  You don't get to pick them.  You can go on with the whole 'treat me nice' bit, but in the end, correction is the way of life.  You are getting exactly what your debauched ideas warrant, with interest.  There was a character in scripture like you.  He thought he would come up with his own standards of Right and Wrong, and he told Moses where he could get off at.  Pay attention to his ending. 
 
Please get it straight, that you are not obeying the God of the Bible.  Your standards are those of Zeus and the Greek Myths, and you said as much. So stop acting like God is behind you.  He certainly isn't.  He despises your habits.  He calls you to repentance, but you want to reject it and keep right on going.  Can you show me someone in scripture who did that successfully? Because I can't find them in my Bible. 
 
Everyone who attacks others will be attacked.
 
You attacked God's standards.  Try to keep that straight.  You are reaping WHAT YOU SOWED. 
Everyone who shows contempt for fellow human beings will be treated with contempt.
 
You defy God's standards and then try to defend yourself.  Good luck with that. 
 Everyone who scorns anyone will be scorned.
 
You scorned God, take that up with him. 
Everyone who demeans others will be demeaned.
 
Demeaning and debauched behavior that you support, DESERVES DEMEANING. 
Everyone who despises others will be despised.
 
God said if you despise his standards, you'd be despised. 
 Everyone who mocks others will be mocked.
 
Pagan ideas deserve mocking and indeed, you deserve to be destroyed, and are getting off lightly.  But, when you were corrected on your debauched sexual ideas, did you turn and repent. No, you sulked, and now think you'll take the messenger out.  And let's not forget, you attacked me first, and when you get it in return, you cry and whine like a little baby. 
 
Listen, you are a libertine, stop quoting scripture.  When you acknowledge that God's standards are right, then you can start PRACTICING THEM, AND THEN YOU'LL BE FIT TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT GOD. Right now your words have no meaning. 
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 8:23am
Opher-
Yes, there's no excuse for those doing knifings, throwing acid, or doing snatch'n'grab robberies in London, either, but it's happening.  Neither is there any excuse to harass people for words they post on the internet while neglecting REAL torts, where someone is injured in their life, liberty or property, then make the specious claim that those committing assaults and batteries must be ignored because they "don't have the manpower" to deal with them properly..
 
i've been hearing that certain vigilantes have been paying behind-the-scenes "visits" to quite a few antifa, which is why you don't see as many of their vicious attacks any longer.
 
I've also heard reports that certain democrats were using MS-13 to carry out "missions" for them - but Trump has virtually eliminated MS-13 from the playing field, now - or should i say "battlefield"?  At any rate, the new leftist democrats are having their enforcement arms devastated...which is a Good Thing for Americans.
 
You would do well to hold May's and Khan's feet to the fire, to require them to let internet posters alone while they tackle the REAL victim-makers...or toss them from office into the offal heaps or middens of history.
 
On another topic, those who pretend to be able not only to speak for Christ, but to order His disciples about as if they're worthy to sit on His throne and take His place...they deceive themselves, and are but storing up the full measure of their sins for the wrath to come.  Those who judge hastily and without complete information are setting themselves up to ALSO be judged hastily without consideration of their excuses; those who hate will be hated.  Nothing personal.  It's just the way Justice works.  "One who closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself cry out and not be heard."
Christ said that the most important commandment was to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, and all your strength - and to love your neighbor as yourself."
Note well: He did NOT say "Love the Lord MY God," nor "Jehovah," nor "Yahweh," nor anyone else - but YOUR God.
John wrote that those who despise others they CAN see cannot love God who they canNOT see.
Failure to recognize the Truth and amend one's ways to conform to it is among the most incredibly stupid things anyone can do.  Those who use Truth to wound or harm others will also have the Truth used against them in the exact same way...for none of us here below are perfect, therefore if we desire to be judged with mercy and kindness, mercy and kindness should be extended - or else.
 
One of my favorite sayings of a Christian Mystic is from Catherine of Sienna, who wrote: "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some unseen battle."  God IS love, but He also metes out quite exact and precise Justice to those who refuse to humble themselves.
Leroy Added Jan 1, 2019 - 8:34am
Then we have this insanity:
 
"For the second year in a row, a transgender wrestler has won the Texas girls’ Class 6A 110-pound division.
Mack Beggs, an 18-year-old senior from Euless Trinity High School near Dallas, entered the tournament in Cypress outside of Houston with an undefeated record. He beat Chelsea Sanchez — whom he beat for the title in 2017- in the final match Saturday."
 
It's unfair competition, but I can't say that I blame the girl.  She is forced by law to complete as a girl.  Having said that, she shouldn't be allowed to take performance-enhancing drugs and compete, even if it makes she feel more gender abnormal.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 8:42am
Leroy-
Yeah, i wonder how long it'll be before men pretending to be women take all the gold medals at the next olympics, too.
 
i seem to recall that - especially during the 60's - 80's - Russian "women" often failed the testing and were barred from competing on the grounds that they were male.
 
Why this insanity should be tolerated for one second in any high school in America is beyond me, and probably pisses off a LOT of parents of girls.  In any State-wide competition(if not every HS competition), every contestant should be tested, imo, and if their genetic markers say they're male, tough noogies - out you go!  No stealing prizes from deserving girls or women.
Leroy Added Jan 1, 2019 - 9:05am
In the case above, FP, it is a girl competing as a girl.  That is not the issue.  She is taking testosterone to complete her transition to a male.  In effect, she is allowed to take performance-enhancing drugs.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 1, 2019 - 9:09am
On another topic, those who pretend to be able not only to speak for Christ, but to order His disciples about as if they're worthy to sit on His throne and take His place...they deceive themselves, and are but storing up the full measure of their sins for the wrath to come.
The audacity you have to take pretensions you have no business taking on.  Listen, you fraud, you are NOT A CHILD OF GOD!!  Got that?  You don't sit there in one breath and say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, porn, and masturbation, and in the next talk about how God has your back, you deceitful and wicked snake!!  And  you are every bit as haughty and proud as you accuse others of, you sniveling charlatan.  And if it weren't for me, you'd pass yourself off as a Christian conservative and get away with it.  LOL, accuses me of pride, then contemptuously won't say my name, as he clings to his debauchery and claims his God will protect him.  You are unbelievable, you  hypocrite. 
 
  Those who judge hastily and without complete information are setting themselves up to ALSO be judged hastily without consideration of their excuses; those who hate will be hated. 
Oh, no, don't try to lie about it.   You know exactly what you said, and you never took it back.  God only forgives those who SEEK AND ASK!  He never gives mercy to entitled and arrogant pretenders like you.  Apparently, when you were a child, you were never disciplined, because your behavior is that of a spoiled brat.  Your punishment worsens as you lie. 
 
Nothing personal.  It's just the way Justice works.  "One who closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself cry out and not be heard."
 
Umm, as all your scriptures, this is out of context.  The poor cry for help, THEY DON'T SIT THERE AND ARGUE THAT SEXUAL DEBAUCHERY IS PERFECTLY FINE.  
Christ said that the most important commandment was to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, and all your strength - and to love your neighbor as yourself."
 
Now try to practice this.  You are talking out of two sides of your mouth.  On the one hand you mangle the sexual purity standards that have been around since Adam, and on the other you want to chirp about how we love God.  What a schizophrenic concept of God you have. 
 Note well: He did NOT say "Love the Lord MY God," nor "Jehovah," nor "Yahweh," nor anyone else - but YOUR God.
John wrote that those who despise others they CAN see cannot love God who they canNOT see.
 
Love means rebuke.  Sorry you attended a milquetoast church that apparently never practiced rebuke.  Paul rebuked Peter TO HIS FACE. 
Failure to recognize the Truth and amend one's ways to conform to it is among the most incredibly stupid things anyone can do. 
 
Amen, time for you to repent. 
 
Those who use Truth to wound or harm others will also have the Truth used against them in the exact same way...for none of us here below are perfect, therefore if we desire to be judged with mercy and kindness, mercy and kindness should be extended - or else.
 
I don't walk around claiming that God's standards don't exist.  I understand where I fall short and I know where to turn, but over my dead body will I silently watch a fellow 'Christian' uphold libertinism on the one hand, and then claim to speak for God. 
  
One of my favorite sayings of a Christian Mystic is from Catherine of Sienna, who wrote: "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some unseen battle."  God IS love, but He also metes out quite exact and precise Justice to those who refuse to humble themselves
 
Correction is kindness, you could have been permitted to keep right on going towards the path of destruction and be destroyed.  For being corrected, you reward the corrector with your scorn.  And that's why in Proverbs it commands to leave your type alone.  It's not worth corrected you.  You hate correction, and love your wicked ways.  The only reason why I'm spending time on you, is because it's in public, and people like you often deceive the simple.  If you want to lie in public, you'll be called out in public.  You chose your words, don't complain when you reap what you sow. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:19am
Mogg T >> you missed a great opportunity to take the higher ground.
 
I miss those opportunities on a regular basis.
 
Mogg T >> For what it is worth, here is how the story could be told without feeding the defenders of the anti-Trump guy grist for their grinding:
 
I do see you point and appreciate your message, we should also always look for opportunities to measure our words.
 
BUT... IMO, not at the expense of truth or skirting the real point; which I think your version does (no offense intended).  I think your version implies an equivalence that is not there (not even remotely).  The problem society faces isn't belligerence between pro and con factions on a number of issues; it's practically all on one side; and that is part of the key message that needs to be made.
 
But, again, I do understand your inclination and agree with it.  We should look for opportunities to do as you say... I just don't think this is one of them.
 
Thanks for the contribution. HNY (Happy New Year)
 
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Cullen K >> That's humanity. The dark side of human nature is something everyone has to war against to master it.
 
Amen brother.  Putting on the shoes of the clerk for a moment, I would hate for one of my worst moments to be captured and posted on YouTube (or anywhere on the interweb).
 
Cullen K >> For people who...for lack of a better word...pretend they don't have a dark side
 
Well, that's not me.
 
"Lord help me Jesus, I've wasted it so Help me Jesus I know what I am". (Kris Kristofferson, Why Me)
 
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Ward T, I doubt we could identify all the parental and societal failings that have created these snowflakes.  But you can easily see the semblance to a toddler’s tantrum in scene.  When a grown man has not developed past this point, mistakes were made somewhere along the line.  The fact that there are so many of these guys points to a degrading society.
 
And of course, someone refusing a specific service that is counter to their religious or moral foundation is completely different.  Now if that someone started hurling insults and profanity they too would be in the wrong.
 
Good points.
 
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JG >> Yep, sure did (miss the point).
 
Which was kinda a request for an explanation (not a slight if you took it that way).  The purpose of a discussion thread is to help inform each other.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:20am
Opher G >> Seems a big fuss to make about a young guy who completely lost it.
 
If it was a (as in one) young guy you would be right.  It's not one guy... it's a pandemic which the post makes pretty clear.  Your inference that this is rare or overblown is disingenuous.
 
Opher G >> There's a lot of emotional shit and tribalism at the moment.
 
On this we agree, but it is coming from the side of the ideological spectrum that claims tribalism is all on the other side.
 
Opher G >> People are going out of their way to wind people up.
 
It does not surprise me that you would try to shift blame to the guy wearing a shirt and hat.  This %$#@ didn't happen (to this scale) during the Obama years.  You guys on the left need to see this; but I won’t hold my breath.
 
Opher G >> The kid was a fool to act the way he did - that's all.
 
The kid is a fool.  But that’s not all there is to this… because this kid is not just an outlier as you would pretend.
 
Opher G >> Face - there's no excuse for people behaving that way. It sure sounds as if things have got polarised and rubbish out there in the States.
 
Just in the States?  There that disingenuous Opher G we all know and love... again.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:20am
Face P >> There are quite a few people in America who act this way today; apparently, you've not seen the multiple video'd attacks
 
I can't imagine that Opher isn't aware of the incidents.  But I never overestimate the ability of people to delude themselves in applying moral equivalence or scale when their side is in the wrong.
 
I hadn't thought about all that liberal money sent to Stormy going to Trump instead.  Gotta love that karma. :)  Of course, the sleazy porn lawyer made off with a lot of it. 
 
I'm impressed with Mr. Ferguson thus far.  I hope he continues this course.
 
As for the clerk, I pray for him as well.  We all make mistakes, the measure of a man is not that he avoids them, but what he does after he's made them.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:20am
Leroy >> I'm surprised the grammar queens haven't shown up yet.
 
Face P >> I was tempted to point out "breathe," but decided to hold my peace.
 
%$#@#$$%!!!  OK... No, I don't want the knit-picking... but when something is that glaring, please don't hold your peace.  You have my permission to speak up. :)
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:21am
Face P >> Yes, i saw that guy who thought he was a girl do the meltdown thing, too.
 
Yes.  In watching the video, but guy trying to appear female is massively failing at it.  He has long hair and I think is wearing a bit of pink… but that’s about it (maybe some makeup?)  He’s going to get better at it if he wants people to not use the “wrong” pronouns.
 
My main point is that the clerk handled it well.  He was calm, respectful and apologized.  I don’t know that clerks ideological bent… nor should we.
 
Face P >> From what i've heard and read, "gender dysphoria" is a real mental illness, and has a VERY high suicide rate, even among those who apparently get their wish to change genders.
 
I've come to believe the same.  Riley Brown has written and commented on the subject extensively. 
 
Face P >> Unfortunately, quite a few states are buying into the notion that insanity should be "normalized."
 
It's not just states but an entire ideology.  The movement basically says we must believe that black is white and white, black.
 
If reminds me of the book 1984.  Big brother wasn't content for Winston (the main character) to pay lip service to the lies fed him... Winston had to BELIEVE the lies; to hold two contradictory facts in his mind at the same time; and believe both.
 
Face P >> That said, quite a lot of foods today contain soy products that have been genetically engineered to contain estrogen mimickers which feminize men, anyway, just like atrazine does in the water supply.
 
Ahhhhh!  That's what all the comments concerning "soy" are all about!  See!  I get more educated every day on this site. :)
 
Face P >> Just a heads-up for those who want to stay as male as possible...purify your water, avoid soy as much as is humanly possible.
 
I like tofu in my Chinese/Japanese food.  Is that now a thing of the past?  I don't guess I eat that much of it to matter.
 
My water comes from a well (I live in the middle of nowhere)... so I'm good there.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:22am
Leroy >> Then we have this insanity (transgender wrestler)
 
I wrote a post on this.  Wrestling with the Unfairness of Transgenderism
 
My take is that the young lady (yes young lady), should not have been allowed to wrestle while taking the performance enhancing drugs (for whatever the reason).  Nor should she have been allowed to wrestle the boys, because she's not a boy.
 
If she wanted to wrestle, she should have held off on her decision for a few more years... that's it.
 
Leroy >> In the case above, FP, it is a girl competing as a girl.  That is not the issue.  She is taking testosterone to complete her transition to a male.  In effect, she is allowed to take performance-enhancing drugs.
 
That is exactly the issue.  The law said, since she was taking the drug legally and for a valid reason (to become a guy); it was not considered a performance-enhancing drug.  The solution is to fix that law.
 
Face P >> Yeah, i wonder how long it'll be before men pretending to be women take all the gold medals at the next olympics, too.
 
The left (or LBGT crowd) had better be careful with this crap.  They are making enemies of women athletes (and those who support them) who see this for what it is.
 
Face P >> i seem to recall that - especially during the 60's - 80's - Russian "women" often failed the testing and were barred from competing on the grounds that they were male.
 
Yes, it happened quite a bit.  There was a whole lot of tape involved it I’m not mistaken.
 
Face P >> Why this insanity should be tolerated for one second in any high school in America is beyond me
 
It shouldn't be tolerated at any level... high school, college, professional, Olympics...
 
Face P >> ...and probably pisses off a LOT of parents of girls. 
 
It did (and does) indeed.  These girls were denied something important to them, something they had passion for... all because society didn't have the balls (heh heh heh) to stand up to this crap.
 
Face P >> In any State-wide competition(if not every HS competition), every contestant should be tested, imo, and if their genetic markers say they're male, tough noogies - out you go!  No stealing prizes from deserving girls or women.
 
It's just common sense... which is in very short supply these days.
Bill Kamps Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:40am
We dont have to wear our asshole on our sleeves.  Just because we disagree does not mean we need to be disagreeable.  Many have lost their good manners and common sense.
 
It is unfortunate and ironic that those who preach diversity, are often the most intolerant of those who dont share their views.
 
I've traveled to a good many countries and always felt I was a guest in their place, and wasnt about to start preaching my politics or religion to those in foreign lands.  I traveled to the Soviet Union in the 1980s, and was given every courtesy and kindness and returned the good manners I was shown.  Most places I went I never knew the politics or religion of my hosts, and was not about to make a public display of my own.  When in foreign countries we have to remember their laws and rights are not those of the US.
 
Similarly when in the US, just because someone is wearing clothes that pronounce their political or religious beliefs does not mean I have to take them on just because  I dont share those beliefs.   I could choose to just let them walk on by.   We dont control what others do, but we do control how we react to them. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:55am
Bill K >> We dont have to wear our asshole on our sleeves...
 
Well said Bill.  I have worked with and for and provided service to many whose view I would not even remotely agree with.  I worked with a lady who was a socialist Wiccan before.  She never asked me to participate in spells, I never asked her to participate int he Lord's supper.  We did our jobs with mutual respect.
 
All this should apply throughout society and in every public space.
The Owl Added Jan 1, 2019 - 12:19pm
Some impressions on this thread...
 
-- As I recall, the only restriction on Adam and Eve in Eden was not to eat the fruit of the tree.  (We all know they blew that one.)  And their penalties were removal from the Garden and awareness of self.  So, Ryan, please explain to us how you extrapolate the existence of "moral values" in some specificity from those.  (Note, I am not doubting that"moral lessons" were being taught in The Lord's responses, but their scope and specificity were not exactly explicit.
 
--  I laugh at those that become unhinged over politics and even religion.  I wonder whether or not the "swinger" is actually questioning his own views on the topic as a result of a nagging little voice in the back of the head saying that the opposition may just be on the right track and that whatever brain is in the head didn't twig to the reality.  Anger is, after all, a secondary reaction.
-- I don't care if the customer "trolled" the clerk into his marvelous performance.  Clerk's problem is with himself and his socialization, not with the troll.  That thought holds for any situation where a troll comes on the scene.
 
-- My experience has been that it is the left that plays the emotion card without regard to their abilities to pull off the finesse.  And while the right has the habit of sticking fingers into the eye of leftists by wearing such garb as  MAGA hats and tee-shirts, in the marketplace of ideas, any open advocacy of a political position as the effect of a finger in the eye. Maybe the right has far better skills at finger poking than does the left.
 
--  It's ironic that it is the left that has built their political sand castle on identity and the right to individual independence, and yet it is the left that recurringly shows just how intolerant of identity and individual freedom that they really are.
 
--  The whole gender fluidity issue has become the latest symbol for a whole bunch of people who really aren't comfortable with themselves...Picture, if you will, a black woman with long, straight black hair and ask yourself just how thoroughly she has accepted herself as a black woman.
 
--  This is the type of essay that WB should strive to present.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:00pm
Owl >> This is the type of essay that WB should strive to present.
 
I take this as high praise... thank you.  It is the type I try to write and support (via my comments).
 
I found KosherS offering, To my fellow liberals: Understanding Trump’s support to be such a post.
 
Owl >> I laugh at those that become unhinged over politics and even religion.
 
Both, are important topics and should be discussed and debated, IMO.  The remaining hinged part is key.  I'll stay out of any debates concerning specific WB participants as I've never seen it amount to much (even when I have jumped in that mud pit).
 
Owl >> I don't care if the customer "trolled" the clerk into his marvelous performance...
 
Exactly, even if the troll went in there specifically with that intent (which was not the case), it does not excuse the behavior.  I occasionally see stuff that really bothers me, or pisses me off... and ... I deal with it (internally); as do most of us is civil society.
 
Owl >> My experience has been that it is the left that plays the emotion card without regard to their abilities to pull off the finesse.
 
That much is obvious.  I proffer that it's largely an issue with maturity, rationality, and social acclimation.  Something in our society (parenting, schools, government, all the above) is producing stunted adults.
 
Owl >> Maybe the right has far better skills at finger poking than does the left.
 
I would agree with that assessment.  I've often said that I largely ignore WB troll, Jeff Michka, but every now and then can't resist poking him with a stick... just to watch the show of irrational poo flinging. :)
 
Owl >> It's ironic that it is the left that has built their political sand castle on identity
 
True... let's hope it is indeed sand.  If not, the world is in worse trouble than I thought.
 
Owl >> ... and the right to individual independence
 
Hopefully we agree individual independence is much less sandy than identity politics.
 
Owl >> ... and yet it is the left that recurringly shows just how intolerant of identity and individual freedom that they really are.
 
Yes, the most intolerant among us are those who preach tolerance and diversity.  And yet, the irony is completely lost on them.
 
Owl >> The whole gender fluidity issue has become the latest symbol for a whole bunch of people who really aren't comfortable with themselves...
 
There are people everywhere who have problems with who they are.  That always has been the case, BUT NOW, they insist that all of society join in and support their delusions.  A society willing to call dark, light and light, dark is likely too far gone to be saved.
 
Great comment to the thread, thanks...
 
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:03pm
Leroy-
 In the case above, FP, it is a girl competing as a girl.  That is not the issue.  She is taking testosterone to complete her transition to a male.  In effect, she is allowed to take performance-enhancing drugs.
 
My bad; i was too lazy to read your link before commenting.   Taking any kind of performance-enhancing drugs gives an unfair advantage, so i agree that she should have not been allowed to participate.
 
So maybe take the above as general commentary on the whole problem of men pretending to be women in order to take prizes they could not win as men, then.  Cheating, iow.
 
The Owl-
What the poster you reference has done in re: myself is to extrapolate from a comment made months ago that because i appreciate and love the design of a woman, that therefore i'm some sort of anti-christ perv libertine - when such a mental construct is nothing more than supposition based on his own projection and his own proclivities, more likely than not.  What is innocent for me is evil to him, and he unjustly ascribes evil to me based on nothing but his own prejudice.  i already HAVE a judge, who knows me far better than he ever will...but he needed to be warned about what's coming down the pipe for him as a direct result of his own behavioral choices.
 
Even Paul said that "nothing is unclean of itself, but thinking makes it so,"(though i would disagree) Rom 14:14, and Christ said that only those who can become again "as little children" can enter the Kingdom.
 
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:07pm
Hey guys... I know I'm guilty of this.  If you like the post, please hit the like button.  I'm a little disappointed with just three little thumbs up.  I'd hate to have to retreat to a safe space.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:09pm
Tex-
Thanks for not taking offense; i prefer not to be known as a "spelling Nazi" or a "Grammar Queen," thankyouverymuch, which is why i try to overlook multiple errors(which makes Thomas Sutrina's posts a trial for me).   Good writing has a syntax, a rhythm, and typos/spelling errors ruin the "flow" for me.  But i can hold my peace; it's mine.  No one else's.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 1:26pm
Tex-
From my observation, a "like" will move an article up in the rankings, so i save them for when an article i like has "slipped below the fold," so to speak, because i can only like an article once.
 
So give it a few days, and you'll get one from me.  This is a thread worthy of being resurrected from time to time.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 2:35pm
Mogg T >> Thanks for the reply...
 
I try to reply to many/most comments on my threads.  The more relevant and/or insightful the more attention.  So, it was my pleasure.
 
Mogg T >> ... let me say that my rewrite of your piece was only an example of how it could have been written.
 
Absolutely, I get that.  And agree to the validity of your point in trying to word things so as persuade rather than provoke.
 
Please just accept that sometimes, the main point of the article is not conducive to such an approach.  I will commit to trying to better follow your recommendation.  We do need to do that.
 
Mogg T >> The matter of who is more vitriolic, more violent more incendiary between Left and Right is a valid topic but also has that pitfall of generalization.
 
Yes... it does.
 
Mogg T >> Another who posts as a Liberal left a comment on another page in which he railed against Trump but also described an overlap in his liberal views and my conservative views.
 
Yes, it is refreshing when someone on that side of a ideological aisle can do that.  I hope I can do that on my side from time to time.
 
For example, a lot of people say Trump never made fun of a disabled reporter.  I looked at the various arguments and the video... and agree he did do that (protests and spin aside).  That isn't me attacking Trump, that me researching, reading, and viewing; then objectively making a call.
 
Mogg T >> He did this without making it a point of his post but inadvertently showed that there is a range of liberal just as there is a range of conservative.
 
I've been greatly chastised for my use of the labels left/right/liberal/conservative and have always defended their use.  There is value in identifying the overall (majority or direction) of an ideological movement.  So, I will continue to do so.  But I acknowledge there are ranges in the spectrum.  Not all liberals or conservatives believe a certain way on various issues.  BUT, often I find that the majority is not driving an issue; but rather allowing the minority to.  Sometimes inaction says as much as action.
 
Mogg T >> My point to him and to all is, WE are being dragged around by partisanship and our conversation steered to tit for tat citations of who screwed up.
 
I can see that.  I've always said, I'm not a Republican because I don't see them as every being part of the solution needed.  I'm the kind of guy who wishes a pox on both their houses.  I don't pretend that I'm not influenced by my sources of news... but I do try to get some of it from sources I don't agree with.  I have often said that FOX News is memory button 1 on my XM radio, but NPR is memory button 2.
 
We should all be careful not to find ourselves in echo chambers.  That is one of the things I value about WB.
 
Mogg T >> IMO this gets us nowhere and keeps us under the thumb of the Media and the parties.
 
Amen.
 
Mogg T >> New year, why not a new approach to changing minds and finding common ground to put US in control?
 
Sure.  I'm in.  Now... I'll still call a spade a spade (it's not in my nature to pretend), but I'll double my efforts to moderate a bit and search for common ground.
 
Good comment and direction.  Thanks.
TexasLynn Added Jan 1, 2019 - 2:51pm
Face P >> Thanks for not taking offense
 
I think I've always been one to not take offense to readily (thought I can reach that point).  If I had any misgivings that my spelling or grammar was anything but atrocious; I might be more sensitive.  I have no such delusions.
 
Disparage something I take pride in (humor, honesty for example) then you’re headed in the right direction.
 
I forget the post, but I was once called a “humorless ass”.  To THAT I took great offense.  I’m one of the most humorous asses I’ve ever known.
 
Face P >> From my observation, a "like" will move an article up in the rankings, so i save them for when an article i like has "slipped below the fold," so to speak, because i can only like an article once.
 
True dat... and a good strategy/policy.  You are right that it will quickly bump an article back to the top.
 
I'm reminded of a few months ago, when Jeff Michka (of all people) liked an old article I wrote that he thought I was ashamed of... so that it would reappear.  He actually commented in another post "Its baaack!" (or something like that), thinking it would fill me with dread as if my dirty laundry were once again being hung out for all to see.  (I have no idea how it never occurred to him that we have the ability to remove articles.)
 
Anyway, his misadventure caused a few more people to get to read it; and I got another chuckle at his cluelessness.
 
Face P >> So give it a few days, and you'll get one from me.  This is a thread worthy of being resurrected from time to time.
 
Thank you on both counts.
George N Romey Added Jan 1, 2019 - 6:25pm
Supposedly the world was going to end with Trump.  It didn't.  But that doesn't stop the narrative.  Life pretty much goes on for most, good or bad, despite what Trump might Tweet.  When you begin to realize politics is nothing but rich people behaving badly you pretty much take it for the joke it is.  You certainly wouldn't stand in line on election day voting the latest clown into office.
The Owl Added Jan 1, 2019 - 6:59pm
George, I disagree, politics is NOT just rich people behaving badly.
 
Politics is the art of A getting B to do or believe something that he would normally not do on his own.
 
Put more directly, politics is the bedrock on which society is built.  It is essential to the ability of society to protect the commonweal.
 
Where politics becomes dirty and disruptive is when the participants no longer think of the commonweal, but think of their own comfort and vanity ahead of what society needs or wants.
 
Yes, the rich often have the more dominant social voices, but they obtain the position of "power" by dint of their success in gathering...or maintaining...those trappings of "wealth" that society and man (as an individual) have determined to be desirable.
 
Politics is about power, and power is about control.
The Owl Added Jan 1, 2019 - 8:52pm
Sorry, one trip to Newport, RI and some tours through the mansions on Bellview Avenue should dissuade one from thinking that today's oversized monstrosities have anywhere near the grace and style that are embodied in places like The Elms, the Breakers, Rosecliff or Lands End...
 
All of which illustrates my point that politics has less to do with money than it does with power...The current generation hasn't a clue as to what real luxury is all about...all they care about is power...the ultimate goal of the political.
 
And, I have in no way suggested, Mogg, that the world ins't incredibly complex.  I'm merely pointing out that one way or another, it all comes down to what one can get out of life...a patently political objective.
 
Perhaps it is you, sir, that has the simplistic view, not me.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 2, 2019 - 1:25am
On one of my very few trips to the land of the formerly free I wore a hat that said BUCK FUSH in large bold letters.
 
I stopped one evening to eat in a crap town in Eastern Washington called Yakima. A popular national brand steakhouse where I was greeted perfunctorily, seated, ordered and served.
 
While waiting for my meal a local hale and hearty chamber of commerce member loudly announced his arrival to one and all and as his eyes took in my hat his face clouded and he became silent disappearing into the back somewhere. 
 
Moments later the manager came out walked directly to me picked up my plate and demanded I leave immediately. I finished chewing the bite of steak and inquired as to why. I was told because of my hat. 
 
Clearly it's not just leftist that are out of their minds.
 
DUHmericans, by my experience, fear freedom more than anything. 
 
That fear makes them loath freedom and demands they conform to whatever narrow ideas those around them prefer. Keep your head down and go with the flow.
 
Any idea that challenges their ideas and the individual who embodies that challenge is to be ruthlessly attacked.
 
Which is why I in my rental Cadillac was pulled over and ticketed before I was 15 miles from that little burg in the middle of nowhere.
 
Freedom? DUHmericans have no idea. 
FacePalm Added Jan 2, 2019 - 2:17am
"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it."
-- John Hay(1838-1905) American statesman, diplomat, author, journalist, and private secretary and assistant to Abraham Lincoln, 1872
 
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
--- Thomas Jefferson
 
Most Americans now, i daresay, are ignorant of the stirring words of the DoI, and are afraid to oppose petty tyrants and dictators, like with the overused "Can't fight City Hall" excuse.
 
There are still some of us left who have the balls to stand up to them, damn the consequences, though.
 
i hope your experience with the D'Uhmer'can justice system was brief, albeit unpleasant.
TexasLynn Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:20am
JG, I appreciate the story and it's very relevant to the post.  The idiocy does indeed exist on both sides and spans decades.
 
I'm just saying that today... it's more than a bit lopsided.  I think that's obvious.
The Owl Added Jan 2, 2019 - 12:12pm
Jeff G, are you implying that the only reasons why you were pulled over were because you wore an "-in-your-face" article of clothing and driving a Cadillac?
 
I might point out, though, it appears that the one throwing you out of the restaurant...a right that all property owners have...chose not to make a scene out of it...
 
And quite properly so did not you.  
 
Is this really any different from a restaurant refusing to serve anyone in blue jeans or not wearing a coat and tie?
 
Think about it for a while before you respond.
Leroy Added Jan 2, 2019 - 2:25pm
Captain, you would be a celebrity today if you wore a hat with the words, "Truck Fumph" on it.
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Jan 2, 2019 - 2:34pm
That video clip was almost exactly like my liberal buddy running off the plumber because he had some sort of pro-Trump bumper sticker. As a manner of payback, another plumber refused to come to his house, because his outgoing phone message was essentially an anti-Trump tirade. It goes both ways. I gotta agree with that crusty old bastard Captain Gilbert, whose sentiments were covered in the 1969 classic Easy Rider:
 
George Hanson - "I mean, it's real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. Of course, don't ever tell anybody that they're not free, 'cause then they're gonna get real busy killin' and maimin' to prove to you that they are. Oh, yeah, they're gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it's gonna scare 'em."
Spartacus Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:19pm
The kid is a fool.  But that’s not all there is to this… because this kid is not just an outlier as you would pretend.
 
Tex, our challenge, as alternative media consumers is to weigh these episodes accordingly.  Yes, it is an outlier incident as the majority of lefties do not act this way. 
However, these outliers do depict some serious mental problems and anti-social behavior created by institutional/corporate messaging. 
 
Because we do not see equivalent mental breakdowns by the right (or at least in equivalent numbers) we can say draw general conclusions regarding the propensity for intolerance by the left.  
FacePalm Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:44pm

Major Generalissimo Big-Bag Zig-Zag -
 

 An excellent cultural message from an excellent movie, one of my all-time favorites; i learned how to play "Wasn't Born to Follow" specifically because of that movie...and the part you cited makes the great point that Many-if-not-MOST Americans may THINK they're free, but in every way that really matters, they're simply ignorant slaves - ignorant not only how how they were enslaved, but ignorant of the fact that they ARE slaves, so just like crabs in a basket who leave each other alone until one tries to escape, they hate and fear anyone who actually practices and defends the Liberty with which he was born, and hates him for having the cojones to do what they're afraid of doing.
 
i would put the "driving v. traveling" debate in this category; few have a clue that they have a right to travel which includes taking your private property-with-a-motor anywhere on a public road that they like(as long as they've obtained a bond which acts as insurance) free from let or hindrance, especially from police, even though most police have no clue and will arrest you for "driving" no matter how much evidence is shown them that you are NOT driving, but traveling; they only learn in court, later, if they learn at all.
 
Liberty isn't given; it's taken and defended against those who would take yours.

Dave Volek Added Jan 2, 2019 - 4:09pm
 
If the clerk was the owner of the store, he had the right to refuse service and call for police.
 
If the clerk is not the owner, he should do whatever the owner tells him to do. If the owner wants Trump customers, so be it. If the clerk doesn't like Trump customers, he should find another job.
 
But the "unhinged" is a trait of both sides. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 2, 2019 - 4:31pm
MGBBZZ >> That video clip was almost exactly like my liberal buddy...
 
Good for your buddy and the plumbers.  God bless capitalism. :)  Obviously your buddy wasn't dealing with a real emergency, else I doubt he would have been so picky.  Funny how circumstances can skew all those high-minded principles.
 
MGBBZZ >> I gotta agree with that crusty old bastard Captain Gilbert, whose sentiments were covered in the 1969 classic Easy Rider...
 
"crusty old bastard"... I like that.  He probably does too.
 
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Spartacus >> Tex, our challenge, as alternative media consumers is to weigh these episodes accordingly.  Yes, it is an outlier incident as the majority of lefties do not act this way.
 
Point taken, my wording was not exact enough.  I should have said this kid's actions "are more prevalent than you (Opher) would pretend".
 
No, I did not intend to imply that anything close to a majority on the left are that unhinged.  The percentage is not only not a majority but likely would even be less than 1%.  My intended point is that the number and percentage of these unhinged guys on the left far, far, outweighs the number and percentage on the right.
 
Why?
 
Exactly as you say... "...these outliers do depict some serious mental problems and anti-social behavior created by institutional/corporate messaging."
 
The left suffers from this form of dementia all the while imagining it is prevalent on the right... AND seeing such episodes on their side as justified given the horror that is Donald Trump.
 
Sparticus >> Because we do not see equivalent mental breakdowns by the right (or at least in equivalent numbers) we can say draw general conclusions regarding the propensity for intolerance by the left.
 
Exactly... again we see the left guilty of the very thing they charge the right with.
TexasLynn Added Jan 2, 2019 - 4:46pm
Dave V >> If the clerk was the owner of the store, he had the right to refuse service and call for police.
 
Interesting concept Dave.  Not that I agree or disagree, but how committed are you to this idea that seems to evolve around property rights?
 
Dave V >> If the owner wants Trump customers, so be it.
 
So... I would assume the reverse is True; say with an Obama supporter wearing such shirt/hat?  That’s an easy one.
 
Let's take it a step further...
 
Can the owner deny service because you're... gay?  or black?  or Jewish?  or ugly?
 
Can the owner deny service because the customer wants him to produce product for an event (like a gay marriage or Satanic ritual) he is morally/religiously opposed to?
 
Can the owner deny service to anyone who refuses to light and smoke a cigar when they walk through the door?
 
I ask because these are real world scenarios affecting property rights today.
 
Dave V >> But the "unhinged" is a trait of both sides.
 
This statement is technically true but is actually misleading.  It implies an equivalence that is not there (as Opher tried to do earlier).
 
No one denies the trait exists on both sides.  But the truth of the matter (that the left does not see) is that the trait is found on the left in numbers/percentage that far, far exceed those found on the right.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 2, 2019 - 6:45pm
are you implying that the only reasons why you were pulled over were because you wore an "-in-your-face" article of clothing 
 
I'm implying nothing. Their pure hatred was palpable. 
 
 
and driving a Cadillac?
 
As both the manager and the CofC type were standing in the door watching me get into my rental one writing down my tag number I have no doubt. 
 
Small town DUHmerica. Ain't it grand. How DARE I have the temerity to express myself. 
 
I didn't feel like I was in a free country that day or any other of the less than 30 days I had the misfortune to be there in the last 25 years. 
Dave Volek Added Jan 2, 2019 - 10:46pm
Lyn
Yep, you got me again! 
 
It is blurry line about what customers a business can or cannot serve. There is no simple solution to this matter at all.
 
I recall reading about the Green Book, a motoring guide for African Americans of the 1950s that showed the hotels, restaurants, and gas stations that served all people. In this way, African Americans did not have knock on three or four hotels to find the hotel that would rent them a room after a long drive. The USA passed laws that forbade this discrimination, and businesses were held accountable. I believe we passed similar laws in Canada at the time. While these laws definitely intrude on private property rights, I'm not too sure how else this social issue could have been solved---at least in the short term. 
 
As for the left/right split of the unhinged, it would depend on which TV network you are getting your news from. If I'm watching Foxx, the lunatic lefties would be shown. If I'm watching MSNBC, the lunatic righties would be shown. I doubt there is any real way to determine which side is more guilty of being unhinged. 
 
Having said that, I can see Mr. Trump is not very good at framing controversial issues in such a way to minimize the number of rocks thrown. It is a reasonable hypothesis to assume the lefties are more unhinged these days. 
FacePalm Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:21pm
Tex-
My water comes from a well (I live in the middle of nowhere)... so I'm good there.
 
Maybe not; it would be a good idea to have the well-water samples tested from time to time, especially for atrazine, which (according to the linked article earlier) is used massively as a pesticide to control insect populations.
 
Mike Adams, the "Health Ranger," has one of the 3 largest and best mass spectrometers in America, and he's located in Texas, to boot.  Might be a word to the wise to send a sample of your well-water and see what's up with it, for Roundup contains glyphosate, a known carcinogen, and is also used massively.  At any rate, here's a link to his site; you can probably use the "contact us" link to make some inquiries, maybe get some recommendations.
Dino Manalis Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:34pm
 Businesses provide jobs and compensation.  Breathing is natural, but when you exhale, you could be accused of polluting the environment with carbon dioxide!
Flying Junior Added Jan 4, 2019 - 4:34am
I watched a couple of minutes of the version with commentary...
 
Green Goddess!  Is this really the type of crap that gives you jollies?
 
Big fat zero for me.  Whatever floats your boat.
 
The scariest thing to me is seeing such a huge vape store.  Vaping is the next great epidemic.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 4, 2019 - 6:03am
"crusty old bastard"... I like that. He probably does too.
 
 
Damn skippy! 
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 5, 2019 - 8:23am
This punk demonstrates what colossal dip shits these people are. He could have just kept his mouth shut. There are few things more satisfying than taking money from your enemies