The Disease of War

The Disease of War
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I recently read a disintegrating little paperback on my bookshelves.  It probably belonged to my father, who was a public health doctor, with a masters in public health from Columbia University.  The book, Eleven Blue Men, consists of twelve stories about mysterious cases of sickness and death that came under the New York City Public Health Department’s purview in the mid-1940s.  The stories were originally serialized in The New Yorker magazine.  My edition of the book, by Berton Roueche, was published in 1955.

 

The stories indeed involve cases of superlative medical detection, and they describe the extensive efforts exerted by epidemiologists and other investigators to identify and contain the culprits.  Cases of botulism, tetanus, smallpox, psittacosis, leprosy, typhoid fever, and others are described in detail.  There is a chapter on antibiotics, including the discovery of penicillin from mold, and the methods by which it was mass produced during World War II.

 

The outbreak of smallpox in New York City in 1947, a most contagious and deadly disease, led to the most massive emergency vaccination program in history, with 6,350,000 people being vaccinated, including the mayor of New York, within 28 days.

 

A new disease, which came to be named ricksettialpox, began striking inhabitants of a specific apartment complex in the borough of Queens in 1946.  It took significant sleuthing and the inspiration of an exterminator to discover the vector, a mite that fed on mice.

 

In the case of leprosy, the author goes into the historical discrimination and cruel torture of lepers, and the Bible-based fear of the disease, even though it is extremely sluggish and only marginally contagious. 

 

While the stories are dated, and many of the diseases now rare in the US because of better sanitation, nutrition, and vaccinations, the afflictions themselves still exist and crop up from time to time.  The World Health Organization officially declared smallpox eradicated worldwide in 1980.  Other killer diseases like polio or tetanus now are virtually absent from the US and other developed countries.  Antibiotics like penicillin have completely changed the face of bacterial diseases and their treatments.

 

Medicine has made extraordinary strides in the past century, but I wonder about diminishing returns.  I read in newspapers about the starving children in Yemen and Ebola in the Congo, where there are also ongoing armed conflicts.  I think about microbiologist Hans Zinsser’s 1934 book Rats, Lice, and History, in which the author claims the bacteria win every war.  Zinsser was the original author of the microbiology text still used in medical schools today.

 

So, while medicine may have advanced, the social disease known as war has not, and it’s as deadly as ever, if not more so.  The starving children in Yemen are civilian victims caught in the proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, with the US assisting the Saudis through arms sales and military cooperation.  There’s no medicine that cures starvation or unsanitary conditions.  Malnutrition, impure water, and stressful living conditions are breeding grounds for diseases like cholera, which, like Ebola, is transmitted through contaminated bodily fluids. 

 

Eleven Blue Men softened my views on vaccines.  I can’t argue with vaccines for polio, smallpox, or tetanus, but I wonder about the proliferation of vaccines for an array of milder diseases, like influenza, which are generally self-limiting.  Vaccines themselves cause risks.  American children receive some 70 vaccines before they are 18 years old.

 

The medical clinics in Yemen are full to overflowing, but there’s little they can do for starvation.  Clinics in war-torn or infection-ridden areas may have vaccines or medicines, too, but they can’t provide the food, sanitation and clean water that do a longer-lasting and more effective job of preventing and healing disease. 

 

When it comes to public health, the simplest measures are usually the best.  They have to do with sanitation, nutrition, and clean water.  In the case of civilian victims of war, the “collateral damage”--as the military likes to rationalize it--most of the trauma comes not from the bombs and bullets, but from the diseases that meet no resistance in debilitated populations.  It’s no wonder that the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918, at the heels of World War I, was the deadliest epidemic in history until that point, killing more people in one year than the bubonic plague killed in the four years of the Black Death.  The epidemic killed ten times more people than the war itself.  The flu has not been that deadly since, but neither have the people been so lacking in resistance.

 

We don’t think of war as a disease, but maybe we should.  It’s a social disease, and no one is immune.

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

Nobody's Sweetheart Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:13pm
Find a cure for the desire for obscene amounts of money and power and you'll cure war, as most wars are simply armed robberies on a large to massive scale.
 
Regarding diseases and chemicals, you never know what's out there or why. During WW2, the Germans launched a large and spectacularly successful air raid on the Italian port of Bari. One of the sunken ships was American, and filled with, among other things, a load of mustard gas bombs, which injured and killed quite a few people that the Germans didn't. I don't think the incident was declassified until the late 70's.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:27pm
A Michael B alter ego?
Thanks for your comment.  it would be nice if those who obtained the obscene amounts of money and power from war fought their own battles.  At least Julius Caesar did that much.  
 
In the US, I think it's odd that the "commander-in-chief" often has no military background and has never actually fought a war while in office.  Not that they should, but nor should they be "commander-in-chief."  And the idea of Congress supposedly declaring war fell by the wayside after World War II. 
 
However, Congress seems to have no problem authorizing money for these incessant conflicts.  Maybe we should deduct the expenses from their paychecks and stock portfolios.  "Defense" contractor stocks pay high dividends.  Boeing supplied the F-15s for the Yemen raids.  I say everyone who has stock in "defense contractor" companies is a vector in the social disease of war.
FacePalm Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:28pm
Katharine-
As usual, a thought-provoking article, with many areas of potential discussion.
The ones which come to mind are:
medical investigations/sleuthing
vaccines
nutrition and starvation
and, of course, war.
 
Where to start?  i'll leave that to future commentators, but to riff off Michael W's post:
"When the love of power is overcome by the power of love, then we will have peace."
~Jimi Hendrix
Jeff Jackson Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:28pm
War is diplomacy by other means.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:53pm
FacePalm,
And that's why Jimi Hendrix was a musician instead of a warrior.  
 
By the way, there are no simple straight-forward issues, are there?  Everything seems connected with everything else.  Love is the link, but people interpret that in their own ways.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 1, 2019 - 10:58pm
Jeff,
Today's hot spots are yesterday's hot spots, and in many cases, centuries-old hot spots.  War only deepens animosities, and they might go underground, but they fester and erupt in new guises.  Diplomacy, in its evolved sense, heals.
FacePalm Added Jan 2, 2019 - 1:03am
True dat, Kate-
In it's unevolved state, it's a matter of saying "Nice doggy!" until you can find that stick...
Flying Junior Added Jan 2, 2019 - 2:37am
Can I call this the use of a literary vehicle?  Nicely done.
 
I was riding in my car today and popped in the Billboard Top Ten for 1970.  I finally heard War, What is it Good For? by Edwin Starr.  I could scarcely believe the raw power behind the making of that record.  It's just a damn shame we can't bring back the passionate hatred for unjust war that was the hallmark of the anti-war hippies and other pacifist groups in the 1960s and early 1970.  We won that argument.  It took thirty years for that victory to be completely forgotten with the criminal invasion of Iraq.
 
I can't imagine what goes through a young person's mind today when they hear about entire cities destroyed by warfare or starvation and siege, bombings, political imprisonment, torture, refugees and people who live in a war zone.  I'm guessing that teachers and parents just don't talk about it very much. The funny thing is that the situation of kids today isn't all that different than it was when I was a kid.  War has been happening all of their lives.  And it began before they were born.
 
Just about everybody knows the reason for every war, right?
 
They are fighting for our freedom.
FacePalm Added Jan 2, 2019 - 2:59am
FJ-
They are fighting for our freedom.
 
Everyone hip to "War is a Racket" knows the foregoing statement to be an utter lie.  You know it, too.
Flying Junior Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:06am
It's actually in the Edwin Starr song.  That's how long this idea has been around.
Gerrilea Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:16am
Kathrine O--- Great article and insights and conclusion.
 
War is disease.
 
Nicely put.
 
Flying J--- Wow, we agree completely on something, I'm just...flabbergasted.  :)
 
Wait, who are "our"???
 
"They are fighting for our freedom."
 
Corporations and their "freedom(s)" to rape, pillage and steal everything of value in a nation?
 
Ugh, if that's what you meant, then we do agree completely.
 
(wink, wink)
 
Mircea Negres Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:21am
War is a great sin caused by the multitude of sins of those who send other parents' children to fight while protecting their own. At least that's how I see it, and I was briefly a soldier. Another problem is that of corporate greed. The latest example I know of in South Africa is that of Tiger Brands. The company used a processed food additive in their baloney, viennas and other such things, which was imported from Brazil because it was cheaper. Yes, it was cheaper, but it was also contaminated with listeria and it killed over 100 people last year. It took the government's health department about three months to find out the source, during which time people died in droves. So far, none of the executives have been arrested, never mind charged with manslaughter, and the company lost a boatload of money. Well, they'll never get my money again, not after they put profits ahead of public safety and killed their customers.
opher goodwin Added Jan 2, 2019 - 4:35am
Katharine - an interesting post. 
I think we will always lose in the war against microbes because they mutate so fast due to their astounding rate of reproduction.
We still have no drugs that work against viruses. Antibiotics revolutionised the treatment of bacterial infections and utterly changed the world over the last sixty years. But most of our antibiotics no longer work. Bacteria have mutated to develop immunity and we have been too complacent. We could find ourselves thrown back into the same horrors of deaths from bacterial diseases that we had before the 1940s.
If we were more intelligent we would divert much more of our resources away from the insanity of war and the power-mad war machine and into solving the world's problems.
With good vaccination research we could eradicate all virus diseases.
With sound research we could develop new antibiotics to outstrip bacterial mutation.
With a global attitude we could eradicate poverty all over the globe.
With a global perspective we could eradicate the gross inequality and exploitation that leads to wars.
The shame is that we are too egocentric, selfish and greedy to develop the global perspective.
George N Romey Added Jan 2, 2019 - 8:15am
Katharine a good part of the world still lives without proper sanitation and is one step away from a number massive of deaths from whatever virus that might appear.  Particularly as these areas continue to experience population growth.  Something like 80% of Indians do not have a toilet and use local waterways.
 
Consider that after nearly 40 years we still have not cured the HIV virus and you get the picture.
 
As far as war.  If my memory of history is correct its often a goal to win by starving your opponent and forcing sickness.  
Steel Breeze Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:23am
as this new year is the 50th anniversary of my all expense paid trip to sunny vietnam i have to agree,it is a disease,and for some,lifelong,with no cure.....
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:55am
War is a symptom of a disease. The incurable disease of humanity :) 
Good story Doc :)
Ward Tipton Added Jan 2, 2019 - 10:03am
The preponderance of antibiotics given out like candy for every passing cold will ensure that the bacteria and viruses (virii?) have plenty of opportunity to morph and become more deadly. 
 
I think if politicians were forced to fight their own wars, we would see a lot less people dying in battle. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 2, 2019 - 10:05am
as long as that lot less still included all of the politicians I'd be okay with that Ward :) 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 2, 2019 - 10:15am
I am pretty sure all of them have been medicated on something ... though I strongly suspect they are merely drunk with power as it were. 
Phoenix Added Jan 2, 2019 - 10:50am
When you conflate the physical reality (disease) with an event (war), or try to say that one is like the other, your conclusions will always be hopeless. I.e. "Oh noes, war is still here." 
 
Two points -- there is a difference between what the Bible teaches and what people do, claiming that they are following the Bible. Ex: leprosy. 
 
Also, "collateral damage" refers to people wounded or killed who were not targeted. You complain about this term, but tell me, what term would you use? You have no answer. Collateral damage is a real event and it is something at least the US and Israel strive to avoid by making munitions more and more accurate. 
 
The art of war has grown more precise because of the values that drive at least those two nations. The goal in war (in the West) to kill only combatants, not civilians.
 
However, that is not the goal of war according to Hamas, ISIS, Islamic Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, and so forth. You need only look at the values that drive these two sets. 
 
By complaining about war itself, you ignore the fact that it will always be here, like torture, rape, and slavery, and ignore the best ways to handle it and how to limit it. 
 
Tell me, how was slavery eradicated in most of the world, and where is it still practiced? 
 
Doug Plumb Added Jan 2, 2019 - 10:55am
Katherine, there are a lot of docs on You-Tube that say vaccines simply do not work. Period. These are highly qualified people, Lorraine Day being one, another being Stan Monteith, both orthopedic surgeons. Maybe orthopedic surgeons don't know much about vaccines, I suspect that only a few kinds of docs do and its really the business of a pharmaceutical specialty. I've seen that stats on Polio. The Polio vaccine caused Polio to jump up again after it was dying naturally.
I suspect that when most docs say vaccines work, they say so based on faith.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 2, 2019 - 11:13am
We may act as a part of a natural process, but we will never replace nature as the ultimate control. Much of what we think we do as good may in fact be to our peril. Our advances in medicine have permitted and proliferated certain genetic defects that nature would have deemed for extinction
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 2, 2019 - 11:14am
Oh, and the money thing. Yeah. There's that :)
Doug Plumb Added Jan 2, 2019 - 11:20am
There is an agenda in government for a world government overtly rather than covertly run by Jews. This is a fact, its not in any way conjecture. There is mountains and mountains of evidence as well as blatent admissions to this fact. It is not a disease of "more" that is our problem, it is this agenda, and part of it is to keep people wanting more.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 2, 2019 - 11:27am
"The exception that comes to mind is when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.  Then the citizens were all for war, with very few exceptions."
 
Except the government knew it was going to happen and could have prepared for it. The entire reason it was allowed to occur relatively unhindered was precisely because the president wanted the people to "will it" to happen. 
 
"Our advances in medicine have permitted and proliferated certain genetic defects that nature would have deemed for extinction"
 
The added years in median term of life in some other nations is extended over that of the US precisely due to the massive amounts of chemicals, preservatives and other poisons put in the commercially produced foods in the US ... though they seem to be working on exporting that globally through the introduction of fast food chains worldwide. 
 
 
opher goodwin Added Jan 2, 2019 - 11:36am
Dino - vaccines work, the earth's not flat and we did land on the Moon. Conspiracy nutcases!
opher goodwin Added Jan 2, 2019 - 11:37am
Dino - BTW - the Jews aren't responsible.
Dino Manalis Added Jan 2, 2019 - 12:31pm
 There's too much hatred in the world and it's contagious!   We need kindness and politeness for a change!
Gerrilea Added Jan 2, 2019 - 12:46pm
Opher G--- You really are correct, vaccines "work" to make billions for Big Pharma.
 
Anything after that is pure conjecture and without scientific evidence.
 
George N Romey Added Jan 2, 2019 - 1:13pm
I suspect this will be the future of war. Just drop some kind of unknown deadly virus onto your enemy and be done with it.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 2, 2019 - 1:16pm
Biological warfare has been around for thousands of years ... some would suppose that the introduction of so many toxins into our foods and water supplies is merely an extension of this ... though perhaps that debate is best left for an article of its own? 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 2, 2019 - 1:52pm
If only I could figure out how to get paid for my writing again. I seemed to have lost something in my travels. 
 
Got accepted articles for six slicks last year ... slicks being print magazines ... and could not get published because I could not provide pictures. 
John Minehan Added Jan 2, 2019 - 2:48pm
"And that's why Jimi Hendrix was a musician instead of a warrior."
 
Actually, he was both.
 
Hendrix was a former paratrooper in the 101st ABN Div.  
Ward Tipton Added Jan 2, 2019 - 2:52pm
Unlike the "fact" that Jimi Hendrix reinvented himself as Morgan Freeman, the fact that he did indeed serve in the 101st is proven to be true. Yup. I have heard he was a bit lackluster, but he served. 

Doug Plumb Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:03pm
@ Sunshine Kid re "Doug Plumb, I think you are wrong, and here'ss why:  The Jews believe in God.  The tendency of the world government, banking and one world order is all about removing God from any form of existence.  Sure, some might be Jewish, such as George Soros, but overall, I do not think it is all Jewish based.  I suspect the muslims and the atheists are deeply involved, and they are certainly not religious based at all."
 
That's what I used to think, until I started researching the Talmud. I suggest E Michael Jones, Michael Hoffman, Henry Makow or Lorrain Day and there are many more, that can teach you about the Talmud.
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:24pm
"And that's why Jimi Hendrix was a musician instead of a warrior."
 
And, like most people like him who made the mistake of entering the military, he was a total fuckup. George Carlin, too, but that never stopped me from liking them both tremendously. To be honest, I never really look down on those who tried but failed. It's not for everybody, that's for sure.
John Minehan Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:36pm
And both Carlin and Hendrix were somewhat proud of their time in service. 
 
Sometimes you learn more lessons in failure than in success.
Dave Volek Added Jan 2, 2019 - 3:51pm
The story of the medical investigations was quite interesting. I wonder why there was no mention of the free market solving these problems. 
 
As for the "social disease" of war, one might want to read a book called "War" by Gwyn Dyer. He uses a lot of data to show how we have become "better" at war. As we have progressed, we are killing or maiming fewer soldiers and civilians than previous wars. Still not good news for those affected, but things are improving.
 
And we are indeed using diplomacy a lot better to prevent war.
Cullen Writes Added Jan 2, 2019 - 6:47pm
Two dumbest wars of all time: WWI and WWII. 
 
WWI started on accident (killing of Francis Ferdinand), could have been averted but the British and Germans had an excuse to teach each other a lesson. (This is how I generally understand it.) 
 
WWII was simply round two of the same war. It started because the Germans were starving and humiliated and wanted to reclaim their national honor. Hostilities came from Hitler trying to get territory back which was taken off Germany at the Versailles Treaty of 1919. He invaded Poland because he originally just wanted the city Danzig back which was handed over to Poland at the conclusion of WWI. But Britain said 'no' and threatened to declare war if Hitler tried to take the city by force. (This isn't to say that Hitler wasn't itching for a war, I believe he was, he was mobilizing for it, but the Germans might not have elected a madman and went along with it if they weren't punished and humiliated at the end of WWI.)
 
 
So what can we conclude? The desire to see who is the master of the universe (Germany or the British Empire) at the outset of WWI led to probably 70 million dead and the two worst wars of all time.
 
They were started for that stupid a reason. Who has the greatest empire? Are China and the U.S. heading down the same road? 
opher goodwin Added Jan 2, 2019 - 7:31pm
Gerri - vaccines work - with heaps and heaps of evidence. What is it with you Americans and cons[piracy theories? I've taught the science of vaccines for thirty six years, I've studied them and looked at all the evidence - they work. We have eradicated smallpox and nearly polio. Loads of other viruses have great immunisation. The virus that causes cervical cancer can be eradicated. They now have an ebola vaccine.The measles vaccine works great. When we had all the stupid misinformation about autism people stopped using it and now we are getting measles epidemics and dead kids.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:10pm
Yeah, opher, but the conspiracy theorists will tell you vaccines are a plot.  The conspiracy, as with most of these theories is always better if that bad ol gummint tells people, in this case, vaccinations work and it's in general public interest (health and safety)to get them.  Read the comments from our conspiracy lovers above.  And diseases as result of a war are some of the unintended consequences.  As to biological warfare, there might be the bigger threat than nuclear war.  Katherine wrote a very thoughtful article.  I'll presume some day soon, we'll be in the middle of major cholera or typhoid outbreak somewhere, likely in the ME, but to folks here, that will be okay, those wogs need to all die anyway, right?
The Owl Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:21pm
I would like to address the presumption that "war" has been a function of the moneyed classes driving the train.
 
I suggest that up to, and including, World War I, wars were far more personal that many are willing to admit.  (I would agree that World War II was merely a rebound chapter of WWI brought about by the shortsightedness of the Allied leadership at the time.)
 
Wars prior to the 20th century were driven by the egos of the First Families of Europe and the intrafamilial squabbles that developed through the peddling of sons and daughters to cement alliances against foes that may or may not have been there.  Wars were fought for family power.  And, the fact that Victoria was grandmother to many of the dysfunctionally inbred FFEs didn't help matters since summers with grandma were de rigueur.  (The Danish royals provided another strain for the in-breeding, so Victoria and Brittania aren't solely to blame for the situation.)
 
Even IN the 20th century after WWII, wars have been driven by the personalities of their leaders...Mao certainly took his country to war in Korea mainly for personal power.  Ho Chi Min did the same in Vietnam.  Saddam Hussein didn't invade Kuwait because he was a consummate "democratarian".  G.W. Bush didn't invade Iraq to save the Iraqis for the petroleum dollars...Iraq doesn't have that much. The Iranian mullahs aren't in it for the money...although their getting the money is one of the perquisites of the position.
 
The Middle East has been in the midst of a religious war for almost seven decades, out of the hundred years since the end of WWI. Israel has only been a part of the excuse that the Arab states use to keep the riff-raff at bay.  Prior to 1948, that religious struggle was between the competing factions of Islam.  Very little of that was for the moneyed elites of the various countries.
 
War is about power...political power...and the benefits derived therefrom.
 
An aside, if I may.   Thank you Katherine for a thoughtful essay.
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On the subject of vaccines and immunizations, is anyone really trying to argue that the world, particularly that which we like to call The Third World, would be better without them?
 
Come on, now, be honest with yourselves and the rest of us.
 
 
 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:24pm
Thanks for all the comments, folks.  You've inspired several thoughts.  Flying Junior's fond memories of 1970s anti-war movements remind me those times look inspired, compared with today.  While young people seem politically active now, they are more concerned with frivolous things, like safe zones in universities.  There seems to be a general detachment or apathy regarding all the foreign wars.  Maybe they don't seem real, because they are not on our turf.  
 
Someone once told me that among Native American tribes, the grandmothers were the ones to decide whether the tribe had cause to wage war.  That's a thought worth considering.  The grandmothers would have a lot to say about whether their sons' and grandsons' lives were worth risking.  
 
The history we recognize has been male-dominated throughout the world.  This lack of balance has led to lots of distorted ideas that we accept as basic truths, like "survival of the fittest," taken generally to mean the most ruthless.  Yet I contend it is the woman's job to shed blood for perpetuation of the species.
 
I'm of two minds about vaccinations.  I had all the usual ones at the usual times, and I would probably get a vaccination if the disease were serious enough and I were going to an endemic area.  But I refuse to get the annual flu shot and probably won't go looking for vaccines to try.  I still contend the best way to fight disease is to develop good resistance with healthy lifestyles.
 
Opher, yes there's some resistance to antibiotics, especially in microbe breeding grounds like hospitals and war zones, but basic penicillin (ampicillin) is still widely used for common ailments like pneumonia and bladder infections.  
 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:32pm
Sunshine Kid,
We're not going to eradicate all potentially harmful viruses and bacteria, nor would we want to.  Many of them live and thrive in our bodies and in the environment and are generally benign, keeping each other in check.  Only under certain circumstances do they multiply to large enough numbers to cause symptoms.  E. coli, for instance, is considered normal gut flora and aids in digestion.  Most of our feces consists of dead bacteria.  A stool sample of less than 100,000 E. coli organisms is considered normal.  
 
My microbiology professor in medical school claimed we have 10 to the 12th power human cells but 10 to the 13th power microbes, so we are only 10 percent human.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:34pm
John Minehan,
I didn't know that about Jimi Hendrix.  so he had the wisdom of experience?
Katharine Otto Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:51pm
Cullen,
Thanks for the historical perspective.  I figure the dumbest wars are the ones we're fighting now.  
 
Phoenix,
War will never be "scientific" enough to spare the innocent, unless you send the combatants out to sea, where nobody lives, to kill each other.  There are no "just" wars, and unlike you, I don't believe perpetual war is inevitable.  There is still a small chance humanity will evolve or mature beyond the desire for it.  
 
Ward,
As usual, you raise interesting points.  True, biological warfare has been around as long as man has known about communicable diseases.  The British, who had some immunity, tried to infect Native Americans with blankets and other materials contaminated with smallpox.  
 
Like you, I'm concerned with toxic food, including all the GMO and chemicals that are routinely used in mass production.  I've noticed what I call a "devitalization" of the food staples I buy.  Produce rots rather than ripens, for instance.  I've wondered if people living in foreign (less "developed," less plasticized) countries are fortunate in getting more regionally produced food.  
 
Regarding your magazine articles, can't you team up with someone to provide photos for you, depending on what you're writing about?
Katharine Otto Added Jan 2, 2019 - 9:57pm
Burghal,
What seems good in the short run may be harmful in the long run, and vice versa.  I don't think there are ultimate answers or solutions.  It's more a case of working with what you have and doing the best you can, whatever that means.  When I think of all the bionic people I know, with artificial knees and hips, implanted pacemakers, pins and screws and rods, transplanted livers and kidneys, I wonder about this move to extend life indefinitely.  We may live to see people totally replaced with plastic and metal parts.  
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:26am
Si vis pacem, para bellum
If you want peace, prepare for war
Vegetius
Flying Junior Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:56am
Michael,
 
I enjoyed reading about Jimi's time in the military.  Lots of people join up to avoid prison time.  It's an American tradition.  His discharge was classic.  Some people just aren't wired to succeed in the U.S. Army or the Navy for that matter. 
 
He did complete his paratrooper training in eight months and was awarded the Screaming Eagles patch in early 1962.  His military experience deepened his patriotism.  He was a damn fine American.  He met Billy Cox on base.  And that changed history.
Jim Stoner Added Jan 3, 2019 - 2:58am
I have to agree with The Owl, both on the causes of war and on vaccines.  There is big money to be made off wars, and sometimes (usually) that is all that is evident (apart from the destruction).  It's about power.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 3, 2019 - 5:12am
Perhaps the prayers of the faithful are pale compared to the prayers of the wicked who advance and benefit from wars. Sadly, I must admit that when disasters of massive proportion strike, I take pleasure that we are informed we do not know or control all things. It would be nice if a prophet could come along and approach those committing crime against humanity and demand specific condition or their rods would inform controlled major catastrophic events as when Moses did.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:06am
Katharine
 
A good ona again. War is a disease, but an incurable one. It's an immaterial genetic defect caused by a perverted amygdala LOL
opher goodwin Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:20am
Katharine - the indiscriminate use of antibiotics, particularly in the food industry, has resulted in mutations that give resistance to proliferate. We are in great danger of getting back to the bad old days of mass deaths, particularly in childhood, from simple bacterial infections.
One of my friend's mother died from mastitis in the 1940s - just prior to penicillin. What would now be a minor soreness was a killer before antibiotics.
Flu is a difficult one to vaccinate for. There are so many varieties. It is really dozens of different types. They have to predict which ones are likely to be prevalent. It's a bit of a lottery with this at the moment. I still had my shot though. No side effects and immunity to the three likeliest varieties.
opher goodwin Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:21am
Jeff - I find it scary the way Americans seem to have politicised everything. We're heading for the Dark Ages!
opher goodwin Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:24am
Katharine - can we immunise ourselves against war?
There's an idea for a Sci-fi novel!
I wrote a Sci-fi story about alien microbes who were running Earth as a food store. Humans and other animals were being farmed and they directed all our behaviour. It might just be true.
Leroy Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:35am
Wars need to be fought sometimes.  The American Revolution was one such war.  Wars shouldn't be fought as a last resort.  WWII was avoidable.  Bad policies led to war.  But, it arrived at a point where war with Germany was inevitable.  Chamberlain avoided it.  The result was a world war.  The War of Northern Aggression was completely avoidable.  It was a senseless war.  Vietnam was a senseless war.  We were basically fighting for their right to vote themselves into communism rather than being taken by force.
 
Wars should be fought when necessary and never as a last resort.  The key is to avoid the necessity for war.
 
If we are to draw analogies to bacteria, there are good bacteria and bad bacteria.  Gut bacteria is a good thing.  Some bacteria must be attacked before allowing it to spread.  Hesitation can be deadly.  It is better to act decisively when necessary.  Sometimes the good gets wiped out with the bad, collateral damage, I guess you could say.  On the other hand, we can take measures to avoid the necessity and overuse of antibiotics.  Fighting unnecessary wars on bacteria can be deadly in the long run.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:48am
Leroy
 
Wars need to be fought sometimes.
 
Not neccessarily. When people would be less egoistic and more empathic it could be avoided.
 
And frankly, I'd never go to a war to fight other people's interests, which is always the case. Better be a living coward than a dead hero. That's MY kind of egoism, and I think I have a right to that, Because as far as I know, I only live once :-)
Bill Kamps Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:02am
So, while medicine may have advanced, the social disease known as war has not, and it’s as deadly as ever, if not more so. 
 
I think we have made some improvements.  While wars still exist, and if you family is killed in one, it doesnt matter that in total the number of people being killed in wars is far lower than the previous century, so far.  We cant predict the future, but more than a 100 million were killed in WWI and WWII combined.   High intensity wars were almost constant in Europe for more than 500 years.  So by comparison the last 70 years have been relatively calm.
 
The problem with wars today is that they are a lower intensity type, fewer people are dying  daily than in WWII.  This makes them tougher to stop, because  they dont affect a wide range of people and countries.  Therefore there is less international pressure to end them.  Countries figure they are contained, and therefore not a threat.  Most people in the US dont even know there is a war in Yemen, or that the US is participating in some way.
 
As for health, we almost have gotten too good.  I saw a recent article that said that childhood lukemia is rising, at least in part, because children are living in much cleaner environments, and therefore their immune system is not developing as well as before.  Children in the Western societies have far fewer microbes in their gut than in the less developed world.  This weaker immune system can then trigger genetic susceptibility when it over reacts to normal microbe attacks. 
 
 
Leroy Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:27am
I understand your position, Stoney.  You are a compassionate person.  I applaud that.  If we could all just get along.  Well, we don't.  That's the crux of the matter.  We have to recognize reality.
 
"And frankly, I'd never go to a war to fight other people's interests, which is always the case. Better be a living coward than a dead hero. That's MY kind of egoism, and I think I have a right to that, Because as far as I know, I only live once :-)"
 
Would you go to war to fight over your own interest? Is not national interest an extension of yourself?  For example, if another nation stole your source of water and you had no choice but to fight for it or move, would you just move and say, "C'est la vie."  When it comes to survival, we all either fight or walk away and hope for something better.  In the case of Germany, it should never have been oppressed after WWI.  But it was.  It came to the point where Germany was an existential threat to the survival of the other nations of Europe.  It would have been better to fight that war earlier than later.  
 
I would agree with you on the wars in the Middle East.  They are not in our interest and are unwinnable without the goal of colonization.  However, if the invasion of Europe is not stopped today, there will be war in the future, unless, of course, the whole of Europe takes your attitude and turns tail and runs.
 
 
Gerrilea Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:43am
Kathrine O--- I like your common sense approach to taking vaccines and not taking the flu shot.  My generation got 7 or 8 shots in total and we weren't babies. I remember I was 5 or 6 yrs old and the shot was huge and there were like a million needles in it.
 
Opher, this is where facts need to be added to the discussion.  Just over 8 yrs ago, a coworker's wife, here in Buffalo, got the annual flu shot and within 48 hrs she was paralyzed from then neck down.  Since I had gigabits of data on the manufacturing and distribution of said and I had the legal documents for NVICP, our "national vaccine injury compensation program".  I gave my coworker all the data and told him to hire an attorney.
 
It comes out just a few months later, after he hired an attorney, that Bayer, the manufacturer of said "flu shot" KNEW the batch they created caused over 4000 cases of Polio, (wait, rebranded Guillain–Barré syndrome) in the UK the previous season. They dumped the batch here in Western NY and over 350 people became paralyzed.
 
If their products were actually safe, why do they have legal immunity from the damage (and death in many cases) they cause?
 
That's where the conspiracy starts, follow the money. 
 
The rest is for others to educate themselves and have an INFORMED opinion before they put anything into their own bodies.
 
Vaccines efficacy rates are no different than taking a placebo.
 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:48am
Leroy, 
I agree with you that World War II was a necessary war--by trying to avoid it, the US and the UK ended up in a larger war than was necessary. 
As for the War Against Southern Secession (a/k/a the Civil War), it's possible that the timing of it could have been different, but I think it was ultimately inevitable, unless there could have been some agreement to buy the freedom of the slaves from the owners.  That injustice had to end, and it was always about the power struggle between the slaveowning aristocracy and the rest of the nation. 
opher goodwin Added Jan 3, 2019 - 10:56am
Gerri - I think most of the population in the UK over the age of sixty takes their free flu shot - that's millions. They were lining up in droves. I haven't heard of one single bad reaction apart from a sore arm.
The only problem we have is how effective it is. Last year they had the wrong strain and it wasn't effective. We'll see this year.
I don't know where these scare stories come from. People die from these viral diseases in their thousands. Vaccination has saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 11:50am
Jim
 
I agree with you that World War II was a necessary war--by trying to avoid it, the US and the UK ended up in a larger war than was necessary.
 
You knew that Hitler was largely supported by the Bush clan and US firms like IBM at first ? Eugenics was invented by the Brits in late 19th century. So one could say that Anglophones are the root of all evil LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:00pm
Leroy
 
Would you go to war to fight over your own interest? Is not national interest an extension of yourself?
 
No it is not. Why ? Because the place where you have been born is not a place YOU chose. And I never really felt comfortable in my home country. I found human warmth and tolerance outside.
The Owl Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:02pm
Gerrilea's comment on vaccines and a company knowingly dumping a bad batch on the unsuspecting public.
 
I think we all can agree that sort of action is unconscionable.
 
Interesting question, though...Why weren't the officers of that Bayer that knew and approved of the action weren't tried for felonies?
 
It is time that as a trade for treating companies as individuals with rights that society has the right to treat the companies and their leadership appropriately for the crimes that the commit?
 
Jail time for CEOs and Executive VPs?  Locking companies out of markets that they have corrupted for terms similar to individuals committing similar crimes?  Disgorgement of profits of the crimes?  Fines that are more than slaps on the wrist and that actually have an effect on the corporations' bottom lines?
 
 
Gerrilea Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:23pm
Jim S--- No, war is never necessary. It's a failure and breakdown of diplomacy.  WWII could have been prevented by denying the aggressor nation the resources and FUNDS to build their military.
 
Our recent human history is replete with evidence of the "West" funding, arming and training nations/people that "became" our enemy.  How many dictators graduated from our "School Of The America's" that went on to kill millions and then we had to "step in" and "bring democracy"?
 
War is a racket and enriches the banksters and our military industrial complex.
 
Opher G--- Just because you haven't heard of the outbreaks does not mean they didn't happen.  I know the facts and followed my co-workers legal case for 18 months.  His wife is still paralyzed, with therapy she only can move her upper body and will never be able to walk again.  They received $580,000 from the Vaccine Court. The evidence of the Bayer "batch number" match and the cases in the UK came out through the discovery hearings.
 
If the facts are "scare stories", good!  People need to educate themselves and decide if the risk is worth it.  Without actual facts you cannot make an informed decision.
 
Once you know the facts and actual risks (both in getting vaccines vs getting the disease) THEN the responsibility can be yours. That's why I actually respect Katherine's position.  It logical and reasonable.
 
The Owl---
 
The reason they are not held accountable is because Congress gave them immunity in 1986.
 
Then in 2011, the Supreme Court sealed the deal, forever.
 
You'd have a better chance of proving the Moon is made of cheese before any Pharmaceutical Company was held accountable or admitted their product can kill and maim you.
 
And that goes "ditto" for their shareholders and corporate officers.
 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:38pm
Owl
 
People who have been brought up with the ideal that capitalism at every cost is the holy grail can be put to jail but it doesn't change their POV at all. That's the result of blindly following any ideology and closing the mind to other ideas. It's kind of hard to get off a one-way-street without going the hard way back on reverse gear.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:45pm
Gerri
 
There's evidence that the pharma has made tests with vaccines since the 1950's on innocent Africans and it hasn't stopped since. When Ebola broke out, a biolab in Monrovia closed shortly after quite unnoticed. Do the same in the West and you break hell loose when even some minor effects on vaccines get knows. Lawsuits all over the place.
 
I'm 60 now, I regularly go to Africa, and I don't even have a vaccination against flu. No sweat. I never vaccinate against everything. If I get something like Malaria I treat it on site traditionally. After 2 days it's gone. 
 
I don't even take meds against a headache or any other minor thing. I take abottle of vodka, get pissed, go to bed and away it is the next day. Drugs unlearn the body to fight. Simple as that.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:47pm
...against ANYTHING. Sorry !
Leroy Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:17pm
Until a few days ago, I had never had a flu vaccination.  Previously, my thoughts were that if I caught the flu, I preferred that my body fight it off naturally.  I changed my mind for two reasons.  Last year, an otherwise healthy childhood classmate died of the flu.  Secondly, I felt that my current immune system has been compromised.  I might not be able to fight off the flu as effectively as I could have in the past.  It's a risk in that the same thing that has compromised my immune system could put me at greater risk to the flu vaccine.  Nevertheless, I figure that I am better off with the flu vaccine.  Life is a gamble.  If you never hear from me again, you will know what happened to me ...lol.
Gerrilea Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:31pm
Stone E--- I understood.  "Blogging whilst drunk" (wink, wink)
 
I agree vaccines reduce the bodies ability to learn and many times it get's "sensory overload" and then just says, "fuck it", I'm gonna kill everything. Asthma, peanut allergies, etc.
 
Leroy--- It's nice that you still have the choice to make for yourself.
 
Dave Volek Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:35pm
When vaccines are promoted as risk-free, I think that is a mistake made by the vaccine advocates. There is always a small risk of something bad happening. And consumers have the right to know--and make their own decision.
 
If we vaccinate 1,000,000 people for Ailment X and we drastically reduce Ailment X, but 5 people get Ailment Y from the vaccine, we should still say that the vaccine is working for the general population.
 
Unfortunately, we are not educated enough to handle these kinds of life probabilities wisely and see the bigger picture. But if I got Ailment Y, I just might not see the logic either. 
Gerrilea Added Jan 3, 2019 - 5:58pm
Dave V--- It goes a tad deeper than that. The efficacy rates for vaccines are no different than taking a sugar pill (or placebo). The creation of antibodies (the clinical standard for vaccines) does not impart protection against said disease.
 
In the past 3 yrs the failure rate for the flu vaccine was 80%.  It goes directly to how it's manufactured (grown) in eggs.
 
There was a study done a few years back (I can't find the link at the moment) that established the more vaccines you get (like the flu shot) the more likely you are to become sick and if you're older and taking Statin drug it even worse.
 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:53pm
A lively discussion here, and I'll try to respond to some of the highlights. 
 
First, Sunshine Kid, I've read in more than one place about the intentional spread of smallpox by the British against Native Americans.  Inoculation began in Europe in 1717.  "Inoculation," which is the injection of small amounts of toxin, is different from vaccination, which stimulates antibody production with benign but similar organisms.  A British physician, Edward Jenner is credited with discovering a vaccination against smallpox by injecting lymph from an ailing cow (cowpox) in 1796.   The intentional spread of smallpox by the British could have happened at any time. 
 
George Washington was said to have survived smallpox and was immune, but sterile from it.  Benjamin Franklin did not inoculate his son, Franky, against smallpox.  Franky caught it and died at six years old, so Franklin made sure his daughter Sarah was inoculated.  Inoculation was not legal in the colonies but was widespread in Europe.  Washington supported inoculation for his troops.    
 
 A new disease is often more virulent, and smallpox was new to the American continent, with Natives more susceptible. 
 
As Ward Tipton mentioned above, germ warfare has been going on a long time, even before people understood what "germs" were. 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 3, 2019 - 10:22pm
It's impossible to know what might have been.  It does seem self-evident that war and disease go hand in hand, because of multiple contributing factors.  Would there be less need for vaccinations and medications if there were less conflict around the world?  It's hard to say.  
 
The rich and powerful may want war, but why do the poor and downtrodden fight them?  Humans are the only animals that leave their home turf to fight other people's ideological battles.  We call this defense?  
 
Dr. Green,
Moses' cure didn't last.  There must be another way.
 
Stone,
Once again, you're on my wave length.  I could make a case for the Anglophones being the root of all evil, if I believed in evil.  Now I believe evil is good that hasn't flowered yet.
 
Opher,
I can't argue with antibiotics having been overused and I would contend that vaccines are overused, too.  The flu vaccine, for which there is a major sales pitch going on, is a case in point, for just the reason you mention.  
 
A vaccination against war?  Is there a vaccine against military aircraft flying over my house?  I feel like I'm in a war zone already.  Next thing you know, there will be drones overhead delivering the neighbor's pizza, if not bombs from people who don't like me.  And, horror of horrors, drones to deliver junk mail to my front yard.
 
Leroy,
I'm already concerned about the water supply, not from someone stealing it, but poison from the nuclear power plants and former bomb factory upriver from me, which spills tritium into the river probably more often than they want us to know.  We have more to fear from our own government than we have to fear from the Middle East or illegals.
 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 3, 2019 - 10:39pm
Gerrilea,
Thanks for your personal anecdote about the flu shot risks.  I have read about the national vaccination injury compensation program, which exists because pharma can't guarantee their vaccines are completely safe, so the government created the program to cover pharma's you-know-what.  I knew Guillain Barre is a risk in all vaccines, but I didn't know about that particular batch.  Guillain Barre is reported to be completely reversible over time, even though some cases are so severe that they require artificial ventilation at first.  Your friend may still recover.  (Did you write about that program here?  I don't remember how I heard about it.)
 
Jim Stoner,
According to the book The Real Lincoln, by Thomas DiLorenzo, compensated emancipation was already happening in Europe by the time of the War of Northern Aggression.  Slavery was dying out because if was found to be economically unfeasible.  DiLorenzo claims Lincoln wanted a war, possibly to enrich his corporate railroad friends.  
 
Tensions between the North and South had existed long before the federal government was created.  Issues like tariffs, the location of the national capital, the federal assumption of revolutionary war debt, centralization of power and the central bank were all split along north-south, industrial-agrarian lines.  
Katharine Otto Added Jan 3, 2019 - 10:42pm
Owl,
Remember that Bayer just bought out Monsanto and plans to retire the name, and you will understand their rationale for keeping things quiet.  The company makes a "killing" producing poisons.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 3, 2019 - 10:52pm
Stone,
Thanks for that comment on the vaccine tests in Africa.  I don't have proof, but I've pieced isolated facts together from news accounts I've read about "free" vaccines given to governments, as in Ecuador, and to health clinics in third-world countries.  I have wondered if those vaccines have been sanctioned by the FDA, or if this is pharma's sleazy way to market test its new creations on unsuspecting third-worlders?  The US government is not above doing the same thing with the military.  There was a noteworthy case of infecting black prisoners in Tuskeegee with syphilis in the 1950s (I believe) to study the effects.  All in the name of science, doncha know.
 
In a similar vein, GMO creators like Monsanto and Dow are notorious for giving "free" or cut-rate seeds to farmers.  The GM plants can't reproduce themselves, so the farmers then have to buy new seed every year.  No more saving your seed corn, because it has been mutated into sterility.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 3, 2019 - 11:01pm
Gerrilea and Dave Volek,
Everything has risks, and nobody is educated enough about the risks or benefits of the medical standards we accept as valid today.  Even the professionals only know what they are told, for the most part.  Furthermore, we don't know the long-term consequences of any of these interventions. 
 
One argument against vaccinations, which I think valid, is that they confuse the body's natural immune system, and may lead to a greater preponderance of auto-immune disorders, such as rheumatoid arthritis or lupus.  There seem to be more food allergies floating around these days.  Why? Are bodies simply reacting to an overstimulated immune system, such that the body sees food an an enemy?
Katharine Otto Added Jan 3, 2019 - 11:07pm
FreeEarCandy,
It all comes down to bad boundaries.  The only property you legitimately own is your own body, but tell that to the federal government.  The government has no boundaries.
 
Same with disease.  Microbes become pathological when they overstep their boundaries within the host, and if they go too far, they kill the host.  That can't be in their best interests, just as it can't be in government's best interests to bleed their taxpayers to death to support wars.
 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 3:15am
"The rich and powerful may want war, but why do the poor and downtrodden fight them?  Humans are the only animals that leave their home turf to fight other people's ideological battles.  We call this defense?  "
 
Because they wrap it up in an ideology and call it "moral" duty to an accidental and unintentional happenstance of location of birth? 
 
Once you can convince a man that it is moral to kill other men, what is left to destroy of humanity? 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 3:29am
Katharine
 
I have wondered if those vaccines have been sanctioned by the FDA, or if this is pharma's sleazy way to market test its new creations on unsuspecting third-worlders?
 
That's it. You nailed it ! I know it first hand from friends in Cameroon.
 
In a similar vein, GMO creators like Monsanto and Dow are notorious for giving "free" or cut-rate seeds to farmers.  The GM plants can't reproduce themselves, so the farmers then have to buy new seed every year.  No more saving your seed corn, because it has been mutated into sterility.
 
And another nail. My second family in Cameroon lives besides a giant French plantation called PHP Penja in Loum. Half the population of Loum works there under slavish conditions, and they told me stories....
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Jan 4, 2019 - 3:52am
KO, have you seen A Clockwork Orange? Although released in 1971, it's still a very jarring movie even by today's standards. A central plot element is the steps the government takes to "cure" people of certain things.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 4, 2019 - 5:53am
@ Leroy re " Last year, an otherwise healthy childhood classmate died of the flu. "
 
I bet he got the shot. I would bet quite a bit on that.
 
"War is fought for money" Plato, Gen Smedley Butler. Politics is conspiracy (paraphrased Aristotle)
 
Kill the income tax and stop paying for war if you don't like war. Income tax does not pay for the roads.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 4, 2019 - 5:56am
Opher, the connection between vaccines and autism is obvious. The kid goes to get the shots, is autistic a day later. It happens all the time, just like that. You don't need an expert to point to the obvious. I know someone that this happened to, thirty years ago. Autism was very rare, up with vaccines, up with autism. Who is going to care for all these autistic adults? Its just another vector for killing the West.
Leroy Added Jan 4, 2019 - 9:43am
I was reading about the flu vaccine on the CDC last night.  On a good year, vaccinations are 40% to 60% effective against the flu.  A good year is when the vaccinations match the actual flu viruses for the season.  Buried deep in the report, it seemed to indicate the overall effectiveness was 23%.  There are a lot of ifs, ands, and buts in the report.  The effectiveness depends on age, sex, virus, subset of the virus, the list goes on.
 
There were some curious findings such as if you have the vaccination every year, it might be less effective against certain types of the flu.  An elderly person with a weakened immune system might catch the flu from the vaccine.  The vaccines are general grow in eggs and the virus might mutant while growing in the eggs.
 
There were impressive statistics such as if you had the flu vaccination you were much less likely to end up in the hospital or the ICU, and, if you did go to the hospital with the flu, your stay would be much shorter.  Even if the vaccine didn't match perfectly, it may reduce the impact of the flu.  
Leroy Added Jan 4, 2019 - 9:47am
"I bet he got the shot. I would bet quite a bit on that."
 
I don't know if she had the vaccine or not, Doug.  It is a sensitive question to ask.
 
"Opher, the connection between vaccines and autism is obvious."
 
It's less obvious than it seems and has been thoroughly debunked.  One explanation is the time that certain vaccines are given corresponds to the age at which autism can be diagnosed.  Correlation is not causation.
opher goodwin Added Jan 4, 2019 - 9:53am
Doug - this is false information. Studies have clearly demonstrated that there is no correlation what-so-ever. Vaccination is not a cause of autism.
opher goodwin Added Jan 4, 2019 - 9:55am
Leroy - that is correct. It is to do with timing. The time when autism becomes apparent coincides with the time that vaccination occurs. This is the type of misinformation that is killing people. By not getting their children properly vaccinated they are putting them, and other children, at risk.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 9:57am
Oph
 
Whatever...every vaccination causes the body to forget his genetic capabilities to fight any illness. I know it first hand. As I said I cured Malaria three times with natural African medicine. And examinations after my return to Switzerland have shown that it didn't become chronic. I have never gotten a flu or even a several cold in the last 30 years, no fever, just some arthritis but that's ok. And I'm pretty sure that's because I avoid pharma like hell.
opher goodwin Added Jan 4, 2019 - 9:58am
Katharine - there is no profit to be had in the UK. To deliver the flu shots costs the government money. The system is different to the US.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:04am
Rest assured, the pharmaceutical companies make big profits even/especially with socialized health care. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:08am
Ward
 
So true, same as here in Europe. Nothing easier to cough twice a day and get antibiotics against a "coming infection" by your local doctor who gets his percentage from the pharma....
 
Problem is that people are too stupid to figure that their body is not made for such stuff. In extreme cases it is surely helpful, but that only counts for severe illnesses where one would die when not treated.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:02am
I go to the doctors only for bullet holes and to get broken bones set. Apart from that ... nix ... nein. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:36am
Ward
 
Good on ya, Recht hast du LOL
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:58am
Used to take a lot of tylenol, but even gave that up some twenty years or more back. 
Gerrilea Added Jan 4, 2019 - 1:36pm
Leroy--- I'm glad you did some research. The more times you get the flu shot, the less likely you will be "protected", from the CDC itself. 
 
"Correlation does not equal causation" is the biggest intellectual fraud meant to give plausible deniability for/to Big Pharma.  The devil is in the details.
 
Clinical "studies" only look to see if there is an immune response, if your body creates antibodies, they claim the vaccine works.  Antibody production does not impart protection.  It's an illusion.
 
Opher--- Do we believe you, as you've admitted, you "taught" about vaccines for 30+ yrs?  You may truly believe what you teach others but how do I accept that your opinion is unbiased if you get paid for it?
 
Dr William Thompson, CDC whistleblower was prohibited from testifying at the Vaccine Court.  This is/was the position the CDC & HHS:
 
"CDC director Thomas Frieden blocked the request to have Thompson testify, stating, "Dr. William Thompson's deposition testimony would not substantially promote the objectives of CDC or HHS"
 
Dr. Thompson, in sworn testimony, before Congress stated:
 
"Dr. Thompson has publically stated to Congressman William Posey and others that he and his colleagues in the CDC Vaccine Safety Branch were ordered to commit scientific fraud, destroy evidence and manipulate data to conceal the link between autism and vaccines."
 
And, by the way, President Obama granted Dr. Thompson immunity as a whistleblower.
 
The incestuous relationship within the CDC, the WHO, Big Pharma and EU "regulators" is no secret. Making their "official positions" truly suspect and untenable.
 
 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 2:04pm
This is relatively old by current standards but ... interesting none the less, also in regards to GMO not vaccines, but the principles are related. 
 
EPA does not like petition
Gerrilea Added Jan 4, 2019 - 2:17pm
Ward T--- It sadly is related.  Bayer owns Monsanto now and Bayer makes vaccines and GMO's.
 
Ever wonder why the elite created their "seed vault"?  Once they've gotten rid of the riff-raff they'd have clean seeds to use.
 
Leroy Added Jan 4, 2019 - 3:34pm
"So true, same as here in Europe. Nothing easier to cough twice a day and get antibiotics against a "coming infection" by your local doctor who gets his percentage from the pharma...."
 
I doubt they are getting any kickbacks on conventional antibiotics to treat bacteria after a cold virus.  My last prescription cost $1.77; my wife's, $0.77.  And, before that, three prescriptions including one antibiotic for a grand total of $2.76.  There are unsubsidized prices.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 3:56pm
You mean the seed vault in Greenland? I have worked with some of the people that set that up, ostensibly for the government but ... yeah, or whoever is paying their salary ... I am sorry, donating to their campaigns at the time. 
 
Gerrilea Added Jan 4, 2019 - 6:19pm
Ward T--- It's in Svalbard, Norway.
 
There might be another one in Greenland.
 
 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 4, 2019 - 8:31pm
Stone,
When you get back to Africa, you should write down some of those stories.  The extent of the deception is hard to imagine.  People are quick to write it off as "conspiracy theories."
 
Nuke,
I've seen A Clockwork Orange and have read the book, one of my all-time favorites.  
 
Doug,
I have a hard time with the autism claim from vaccinations.  For one thing, autism is not a well defined disease.  It has wide range of symptoms and no known, specific causes.  Also, lots of people get vaccinations without developing any autism signs.  I do believe vaccines can create a multitude of other problems, and that the marketing push for vaccines is overwhelming.  Anything marketed that hard is suspect.  The US gives more vaccines than any country in the world, twice as many as other developed countries for children less than one year old.  The US also has the highest infant mortality rate.  Finland has the lowest infant mortality rate and only gives 11 vaccines by age 6.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 4, 2019 - 8:43pm
Leroy,
With those statistics, I wonder why you got the flu shot.  Were you spooked into it?
 
Opher,
The pharmaceutical companies profit by selling to government, and the government sells the public (or mandates it).  I guarantee pharma is not manufacturing these vaccines out of charitable impulses.  I agree with Stone that the body's natural defenses are the best, and all these drugs (not just vaccines) interfere with the body's defensive homeostasis.  We don't know what the long-term effects are.
 
Stone,
I don't think the doctors get kickbacks, at least not here, and not directly, from the pharmaceutical companies.  However, pharma funds lots of government and university "research," advertising in medical journals, and sells directly to "consumers" through DTC (direct-to-consumer) advertising,  Add to that the so-called "news stories" on TV and in print media that impress upon us the incidents of death by flu, supposedly because the victim wasn't vaccinated.  And, of course, many doctors have been "indoctrinated" with the "more treatment is better treatment" philosophy in our "health care industry," patient churning atmosphere.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 4, 2019 - 8:53pm
Gerrilea,
Thanks for your input.  You put meat on the bones of my arguments about the mad rush to over-medicate the world under the guise of "health care."  I would add the FDA to your list of government agencies in the business of drugging us up or dissuading us from reasonable doubt.
 
About the seed vault.  I have heard of it before, and I wonder if it's really practical, to wit: for any plant to flourish, it needs a certain climate, soil, water, light, and other conditions.  Even if they have seeds from all over the world, there's no guarantee the seeds will grow into viable plants unless they have the conditions that existed in their native environments. 
 
On the other hand, there are regular people involved in what they call the "seed underground," who are sharing seeds from their own stockpiles and trading them like some people trade baseball cards.  In other words, you don't have to be a government agency or institution to help keep biodiversity alive.  Now, if we could only stop the poisoning of the planet, we may all breathe a little easier. 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 4, 2019 - 8:55pm
Ward,
Here's hoping you don't get any bullet holes or broken bones in 2019.,and that you (and everyone on WriterBeat and their friends and family) stay otherwise healthy.
ChetDude Added Jan 4, 2019 - 9:03pm
Not just war - but some USAmerican's pathological obsessions with owning guns is also a major Public Health problem...
Katharine Otto Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:01pm
ChetDude,
I tend to avoid the cross-fire of the ideological wars about guns.  I know lots of people who own guns, and none of them has murdered anyone yet (as far as I know).
 
I tend to believe that as long and the police and military have guns, everyone has a right to one.  In my experience locally, the police are way too gun-happy, generating headlines about once a year for killing some innocent for no good reason.
 
Bill H. Added Jan 5, 2019 - 12:33am
 
Great as usual, Katherine-
I tend to think there is a virus out there that has been living under a rock in the Amazon rain forest for eons (or a big asteroid in space) with our name on it that will do it's assigned duty at just the right time, which sadly is probably not too far away.
We do not own the Earth, we have just been blessed to reside on it for a short spell, but we didn't quite work out just right as many species prior.
Can't say we didn't earn it!
 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 2:26am
Katharine
 
When you get back to Africa, you should write down some of those stories.  The extent of the deception is hard to imagine.  People are quick to write it off as "conspiracy theories."
 
I wrote one about that subject already but it is buried somewhere here....I'll check that.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 2:33am
BTW: I found it. I have to re-post it again, it's too long for a comment. It dates back to 2015 but is still valid. Wait for it.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 5, 2019 - 1:01pm
"Ward T--- It's in Svalbard, Norway.
 
There might be another one in Greenland."
 
The people I was working with, as best as I recall, were building in Greenland, though if I remember correctly, it was more of a University effort funded by government and not an actual government operation to the extent that many programs are ... I have not spoken with them in some time but ... may do so if I have time. 
A. Jones Added Jan 5, 2019 - 9:46pm
Plug Dumb:  
The Polio vaccine caused Polio to jump up again after it was dying naturally.
 
Bullshit. Provide a citation or a link to a source for that claim.
A. Jones Added Jan 5, 2019 - 10:06pm
Dr. Lorraine Day on "QuackWatch".
 
Excerpt from the Britannica article on the Salk polio vaccine:
 
"The first polio vaccine, known as inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) or Salk vaccine, was developed in the early 1950s by American physician Jonas Salk. This vaccine contains killed virus and is given by injection. The large-scale use of IPV began in February 1954, when it was administered to American schoolchildren. In the following years, the incidence of polio in the United States fell from 18 cases per 100,000 people to fewer than 2 per 100,000."
Katharine Otto Added Jan 6, 2019 - 9:40pm
Bill H.,
I have many unconventional ideas about health and disease, but try to keep them somewhat under wraps, for purposes of credibility.  For instance, I put a lot of faith in the Oriental notion of qi, and the pattern-based approach to health.  This goes against our Western cause-and-effect straight-line thinking but makes more sense to me.  In other words, I believe there are no single causative factors, but a multiplicity of things operating in tandem to create illness.
 
I believe attitude and beliefs contribute mightily to a person's predisposition to illness.  In Oriental medicine, pathology begins on a spiritual plane.  If not dealt with there, it becomes increasingly "dense", affecting intellectual, emotional, then finally, physical levels.  Just saying your virus under a rock or on an asteroid might be ineffective in someone whose attitude is immune.
Katharine Otto Added Jan 6, 2019 - 9:48pm
Stone,
Looking forward to it.
 
Ward,
I suspect there are many such efforts going on that we have not begun hearing about.  Many people are attuned to the poisoning of the planet and are working to salvage what we can.
 
A. Jones,
I remember taking the Salk vaccine when I was a child.  It was a pink substance delivered on a sugar cube.  People only slightly older than I am remember having friends who got polio (before the vaccine) and ended up in iron lungs.  What a change the vaccine must have brought.  But polio is/was a far deadlier and more debilitating disease than some of the others we're now so rabidly vaccinating against. 
 
I read a NYT article about drones delivering vaccines to remote islands around Indonesia.  It didn't say which vaccines, but I wonder at the use of drones for vaccines instead of more important resources, like food. 
Gerrilea Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:52pm
A Jones--- Here ya go hon!
 
The Polio Vaccine Myth
 
"In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” )"
 
-cut-
 
"Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in Vermont to Massachusetts’ astounding increase of 642%; other states reported increases as well. The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five.
 
Idaho and Utah actually halted vaccination due to the increased incidence and death rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts’ paralytic cases had received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine).
 
During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations—a 50% increase from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959—but that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.(52)"
 
 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 8, 2019 - 9:02pm
Gerrilea,
You taught me something.  I've never heard that.  I only wonder if some people are conflating "innoculation" with "vaccination."  The former involves injecting live or attenuated virus.  The latter uses virus antigens or similar but less virulent virus, such as cowpox  to protect against smallpox.
 
I don't know enough about the science of vaccines to comment much more than that.  Thanks for the information.
Gerrilea Added Jan 9, 2019 - 12:59pm
Katharine O--- It would be so much easier if I didn't know what I know.  My challenge these days is remembering where I saved it on my "hard drive"...  "Wait, I deleted that memory, Ughhhh..."
 
ROFL.
 
Rarely do any of us have the time to read and research the data that is presented to us by the media, our doctors, our lawyers. our politicians, etc.  We take their word for it and assume their intentions are genuine and good.
 
Like I pointed out in my latest article, I had 2 1/2 yrs to follow the links, read the articles and research the info myself.
 
This is the final point that cannot be repeated enough:
 
Clinical studies only test to see if the body creates antibodies to said disease.  This does not impart protection.  It's a false correlation and lie by omission.
 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 9, 2019 - 1:12pm
"It would be so much easier if I didn't know what I know.  My challenge these days is remembering where I saved it on my "hard drive"...  "Wait, I deleted that memory, Ughhhh...""
 
Boy can I ever relate to that sentiment. 
John Minehan Added Jan 11, 2019 - 11:07pm
Actually, Pres. Washington lead troops in the field during the Whiskey Rebellion and Pres.  Jackson threatened to do it during te Nullification Crisis..
Ward Tipton Added Jan 12, 2019 - 12:36am
And this just in ... Martin Gore dies ... but here too they seem to confute the inoculation with vaccination ... interesting as I had never considered the differences before.  
Ward Tipton Added Jan 12, 2019 - 12:38am
"Actually, Pres. Washington lead troops in the field during the Whiskey Rebellion and Pres.  Jackson threatened to do it during te Nullification Crisis.."
 
But imagine them leading the corrupt and complicit congress critters into battle ... wouldn't that be a sight?
Doug Plumb Added Jan 29, 2019 - 5:37am
re Lorraine Day "Dr. Lorraine Day on "target="_blank">QuackWatch"." She was also named as America's most dangerous physicians. These two things make her highly credible in the truth movement.
  Personally, I think people should listen to what she says rather than read sites like "Quackwatch". Its better to use common sense and make up your own mind than to depend on Agenda driven scientists and oligarchs to explain things.
  Her husband was a senator and Day informs us of the Noahide laws in her videos and has unique insight and knows the history of how they got voted in. Its now legal for America to kill Christians.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 29, 2019 - 5:41am
 I studied EE for four years, I hardly know anything. I wonder how much doctors can actually know given the complexity of the body itself.
I know the med school is a lot harder work than I went through, but still, we haven't developed the tools to understand large and complex non linear systems. Modern math knowledge has been accelerating, but no where near that point. Even for simple non linear systems, the computer misses and you have to do it by hand (singular points of systems of DE's)
Doug Plumb Added Jan 29, 2019 - 5:42am
Day speaks from the heart and gets some facts wrong, but the overall message is crystal clear truth.

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