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The worst enemy that blacks have is a certain group of white people.  Let me be more specific.  It (the worst enemy) is not the hyper-racist or neo-Nazis who are indeed an enemy; but whose number and influence are grossly exaggerated.  No, the worst enemy that blacks have are those white people who profess to love the blacks.  I am speaking of... liberals.

 

 

It is by believing in and following these white liberals that blacks have perpetuated their problems.  If by some means blacks were to shrug off the trickery and deception of the white liberal, then they would get together and solve their own problems.  This is something some early black leaders, like Booker T Washington, understood.  But today, that realization seems lost on most.

 

It has always been my hope that the black people of this nation would look to the history and the results of white liberals and see that it has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make blacks think that white liberals are their saviors; that white liberals are going to solve their problems.  Yet, that holy grail is always in the future.  It never happens.  It never will.

 

Like all problems of all peoples, those of the black community will never be solved by another race.  Another may help, another may point the way, but another cannot do for you what you won't do for yourself.

 

I offer this message to my black brothers and sisters.  The white man will never solve your problems; especially the white liberals.  Isn't it about time you realize that?  Isn't it about time that you take your fate and future, and that of your posterity, into your own hands. 

 

I am not a liberal.  I'm a conservative, and I don't promise that I will solve your problems for you.  I will not hand you alms or pie in the sky promises.  My/Our ideals will help you help yourself.  I believe in you and what you can accomplish if you will only decide to.  The idea that you will eventually see this; free yourself, and act give me one of the few hopes I have for this great republic.

 

I ask, What do you have to lose?

Comments

Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 11:40am
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:04pm
Maybe in the US. We don't have such problems here. Because we also don't mistake ignorance as racism.
 
Note: You always get as much love in return as you invest. No matter how pigmented your skin or the other one's is.
Dave Volek Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:06pm
I can't ague.
 
Just like a traumatized person needs to find his/her own way into a more positive life, a traumatized community needs to find their own ways as well.
 
There are things we outsiders can do to help, but most of steps have to be taken on the inside.
 
I recommend a book called "The Sovereign Psyche". It explains how and why the African-American culture is different than the mainstream American culture. The author suggests a better understanding from all parties will help move both cultures forward.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:06pm
BTW: Pretty strange people you are. First you import them and then you fight them. Try to arrange....
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:13pm
 
Save it, Stone.  Slavery has been everywhere, and America was one of the fastest nations in the world to get rid of it, and the only one to get rid of it with a war in world  history.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:31pm
You mean the USA, not America, I suppose. America is the continent. Only problem is that slavery doesn't exist anymore there, but Blacks are still snubbed upon or discriminated, except the exemplary Hollywood negro that hiphops and does comedy.
 
I'm pretty sure if every black person would have the same chance for a good education and a job you could - then - really be the example of the "good society" you have the illusion of. I guess the Blacks in the US have no problem with the Whites. It's probably the contrary.
 
Tell you what: Here racism is no subject. We all get along pretty well, and the only problem we have is white against white - Balkanese knife-debating immigrants against us native Swiss. We shouldn't have let them in after the NATO war against Yugoslavia. I mean it wasn't our business, we're not in NATO, but we got the problems after.
 
But we have overcome the "skin color" subject for a long time.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 3, 2019 - 12:49pm
@ Texas. What is the genesis of that picture? You are right in some aspects and I believe you had a conversation with Malcolm X. Ahh, the church is complicit in keeping Blacks on the Democrat plantation.
Please be informed that Booker T 's game was to keep black tied to the plowshare. The Benevolent Nothern Whites wanted Blacks to learn trades and remain on the farm. The Black Panthers were about doing self-help for Blacks. It scared the shit out of Whites and you know how the Panthers fared.
 
Whites played a good game on Blacks. First, they had them believing God's son is White so his father must be White. They then took away their wealth, left them with the Bible, and told them to hold on to it, be long-suffering, and wait for Jesus to come back and help them
Phoenix Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:31pm
@ Stone. "We"? LOL. Nobody alive in the US imported anyone for the slave trade. That was over a long time ago, so yeah, talk to living people, not dead ones mmkay?
 
You, as someone who doesn't live in the US, can't really comment on what happens inside the US, because you don't know. Admit it. You just don't know. 
 
America is the land of the free. People can be as free as they want to be, and being black doesn't mean any sort of restriction, culturally or otherwise. I've seen and interacted with people of all different skin colors at all different levels of education and culture -- from hoodrats to Porsche-driving black intellectuals, concrete workers, developers, skaters, farmers, fragrance fans, to large families visiting waterfalls. There's no widespread discrimination here anymore, and there hasn't been for a long time. 
 
That's why Obama's policies that tried to set the nation on fire through racial divisiveness didn't work, and why the media's imaginary conspiracies and bs-slinging don't work, either. 
 
It's not 1965 anymore. 
 
Now, excuse me while I go and talk about what it's like to live in Switzerland...oh...wait, I don't speak about things I don't know about, because I'm not a liberal.  
Jim Stoner Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:46pm
How can you presume to tell black people what their business is?  Or that they have nothing to lose?  Perhaps the people who damage them most are the ones who tell them not to trust those who try to help them? 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:48pm
Dave Volek,   Was that "I can't agree."? 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 1:52pm
Democrats control nearly all the cities with black populations, Jim, and black literacy and black  illegitimacy is off the charts.  So, you have to blame the Democrats.  Though the lying media will blame Trump and Republicans.  Democrats and  you need to learn 'self reliance'.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 2:12pm
Stone Eater >> Maybe in the US.
 
Yes, I'm sorry to have assumed everybody would know I'm speaking to blacks in the U.S.
 
Stone Eater >> We don't have such problems here.
 
Good for you guys.  It's good to know racism has been stamped out somewhere in the world.
 
Stone Eater >> Because we also don't mistake ignorance as racism.
 
I'm sorry SE, you'll have to explain what you mean by that.  I genuinely don't understand what you saying there.
 
Stone Eater >> Pretty strange people you are. First you import them and then you fight them. Try to arrange....
 
Import, I get.  We did that.
 
Fight?  What do you mean?
 
Ryan >> Slavery has been everywhere, and America was one of the fastest nations in the world to get rid of it
 
If we're honest, faster than some, not as fast as others.  Like every nation on earth, we've made our mistakes and should acknowledge them.
 
Ryan M >> Needful post, Texas...
 
Careful there Ryan... don't expose me quite yet. :)
 
Stone E >> You mean the USA, not America, I suppose. America is the continent.
 
Please forgive our habit of referring to the nation by both names.  No offense in intended.
 
Stone E >> Only problem is that slavery doesn't exist anymore there, but Blacks are still snubbed upon or discriminated...
 
That is the perception... but not really the truth.  It hasn't been that way for a long, long time.  It is in fact in the best interest of those I reference in the post that this misconception continue and grow.
 
Its widespread acceptance is proof of their success in that regard... and it increases their strangle hold on the black community.
 
Stone E >> I'm pretty sure if every black person would have the same chance for a good education and a job you could - then - really be the example of the "good society" you have the illusion of.
 
Very good point.  I'm stealing this from Dr Walter Williams, but if I were the Grand Dragon of the KKK I would make sure blacks went to horrible schools and were well behind the rest of the nation when it comes education and the opportunity that comes with it.
 
And... mission accomplished... EXCEPT this subpar education is provided by... blacks themselves and their white liberal allies.
 
Stone E >> I guess the Blacks in the US have no problem with the Whites. It's probably the contrary.
 
Many blacks do have problem with whites.  It’s unfortunate.  The point of the post is that the blacks have a problem with the wrong group of whites.
 
Stone E >> But we have overcome the "skin color" subject for a long time.
 
Again, congratulations.  We would be there too, IMO, if not for the race pimps (black and white) who drum up the strife for the purpose of money and power.
Dave Volek Added Jan 3, 2019 - 2:24pm
Jim
 
Should proofread before "submit". When will I ever learn?
 
"I can't argue"
Dino Manalis Added Jan 3, 2019 - 2:41pm
 Liberalism is a problem, I agree, some blacks have realized this, but I also blame black on black crimes for destroying society and ruining people's lives.
Adolf Dick McMenace Added Jan 3, 2019 - 2:42pm
@ TL - That horrible photo reminds me of someone else I know, a privileged and extraordinarily whitey-guilt stricken white guy who cannot get rid of his privilege fast enough. His "friends" use him pretty much for the idiotic sucker that he truly is.
 
That's the problem with many of the recipients of so-called "help"; to many of them, there's something severely wrong with these strange "benefactors", who are seemingly not acting in their own interests and are only too glad to take their money and whatever else they may value and/or covet. I've seen and heard it many, many times. But, much like a quarter, a nickel, and three pennies aren't helping the average panhandler, their efforts are similarly squandered.
Luther Wu Added Jan 3, 2019 - 3:08pm
@ Stone-Eater,
This may help you. I once read a quote which went something like this: "The US is such a vast region of consciousness, that whatever can honestly be said of what happens here, the exact opposite is probably even more true".
 
On another note, claiming that all is well in Africa is more than a bit disingenuous. For example, consider what is happening in South Africa, right now.
I could go on...
Leroy Added Jan 3, 2019 - 3:21pm
Excellent article, Lynn.  You said what needed to be said about blacks.  I'm afraid you've kicked a hornet's nest among the white apologists.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 3, 2019 - 3:28pm
Low resolution solutions is all that I read in the above comments.  Stone and Rupert seem to have a low resolution ideology.  They just do not accept that in reality the problems are far more complex and since they will not expend the effort on anything without immediate gain they have a low resolution ideology.  They choose often to not even express their own thinking but fall back on their class, tribe, dogma solutions. 
 
This forum is not really set up for high resolution solutions.  We could not keep an audience since like a new paper the requirement of publishing prevents sufficient thinking time.  The solution I came up with is to take or barrow those that understand the problem and have spent the effort to condense their thinking into a tight package.
 
Dr. Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell are both black economist that have a self interest motive to actually study the problems that TexasLynn has put forth.  Dr. Milton Friedman I add to the list.  My choice of doctors of economist is simple in that they use research to support their words where politicians do not and even doctors from other social study areas use less data driven research.   
 
Tucker Carlson 1/2/2019 started his program with a great description. These three would agree.  The basic problem in black and now rural America is the breakdown in the family structure of two parents.  The women has retained her rearing responsibility.  The problem is that the bread winning responsibility of men has been destroyed by welfare and low wages from the influx of illiterate immigrants.  Uncle Sam is the bread winner.  Thus men have not been taught and shown by example to take the responsibility of  providing for the children they create.  And women do not see a point in have a man that does not accept this responsibility around as a husband.
 
Do we need to end open borders, Yes!  To we need to make American a producer of goods again, Yes!  The black poor in the cities just were effected earlier then the rural poor that are mostly white.  
 
So let me present some of the research results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaMfurkOZ58
Discrimination and Disparities by Thomas Sowell

"The plain fact is that the black poverty rate declined from 87% in 1940 to 47% in 1960, prior to the great expansion of the welfare state that began in the 1960's under the Johnson administration. There was a far more modest decline in the poverty rate among blacks after the Johnson administration's massive 'war on poverty' programs began."
 
"In the United States, murder rates, rates of infection with venereal diseases and rates of teenage pregnancies were among those social pathologies who,s steep declines were suddenly reversed in the 1960s...Nowhere was rampant violence and other social pathology as common among low- income people in the first half of the twentieth century, when they were more deprived, as in the second half, when the welfare state make them better off in material terms..."
 
"As of 1960, two-thirds of all black American children were living with both parents. That declined over the years, until only one-third were living with both parents in 1995 .... Among black families in poverty, 85% of the children had no father present." 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 3, 2019 - 3:43pm
Continuation of the facts from research:
Walter E. Williams, a George Mason economist and author of “Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed on Discrimination?” is not a fan of the welfare state that exists in the country.
 
“[T]he welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family,” Williams said. “That is, today, just slightly over 30 % of black kids live in two parent families. Historically, from 1870s on up to about 1940s, and depending on the city, 75 to 90 % of black kids lived in two parent families. Illegitimacy rate is 70 % among blacks where that is unprecedented in our  history.”      http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/04/walter-e-williams-on-welfare-as-govt-plays-father-blackmales-
have-become-dispensable/#ixzz40GiegQWe
 
"If we put ourselves into the shoes of racists who seek to sabotage black upward mobility, we couldn't develop a more effective agenda than that followed by civil rights organizations, black politicians, academics, liberals and the news media. . . . 
 
Along with the decline of the black family comes anti-social behavior, manifested by high crime rates. Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011, there were 279,384 black murder victims. Using the 94 % figure means that 262,621 were murdered by other blacks. Though blacks are 13 % of the nation's population, they account for more than 50 % of homicide victims. Nationally, the black homicide victimization rate is six times that of whites, and in some cities, it's 22 times that of whites. I'd like for the president, [Obama] the civil rights establishment, white liberals and the news media, who spent massive resources protesting the George Zimmerman trial's verdict, to tell the nation whether they believe that the major murder problem blacks face is murder by whites.  There are no such protests against the thousands of black murders."
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/07/31/black-selfsabotage-n1651550
 
"The Southern states after the Civil War took many measures to impose legal restrictions on Negroes. One measure which was never taken on any scale was the establishment of barriers to the ownership of either real or personal property. . . . It reflected rather, a basic belief in private property which was so strong that it overrode the desire to discriminate against Negroes.  The maintenance of the general rules of private property and of capitalism have been a major source of opportunity for Negroes and have permitted them to make greater progress than they otherwise could have made." 
 
"Paradoxes of experience is that, in spite of this historical evidence, it is precisely the minority groups that have frequently furnished the most vocal and most numerous advocates of fundamental alteration in a capitalist society.  They have tended to attribute to capitalism the residual restrictions they experience rather than to recognize that the free market has been the major factor enabling these restrictions to be as small as they are."    "Capitalism & Freedom" Milton Friedman Univ. of Chicago Press 1962 p 108, 109
 
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 3:56pm
To All ... Sorry, I'm not as responsive is usual... I'm out of town (for work) I should catch up tonight.
 
Jim S >> How can you presume to tell black people what their business is?
 
A busy body I guess.  Let me simply and respectfully beg indulgence.  I have no problem with anybody trying to show me truth, when presented in the right spirit.  I may not accept it or see it.  I may even argue whether or not it's the truth... but fire away.
 
It's like prayers... I need all I can get and then some.  I’ll never turn them down.
 
If indulgence is granted... Can we concentrate on the validity of the message and not the messenger?
 
Jim S >> Or that they have nothing to lose?
 
I hope the article makes it clear that I think they have everything to lose... and are currently losing.
 
The last statement is more intended to communicate... what you are trying isn't working.  Consider trying something else and then decide where to go from there.  If what I profer doesn't work, worst case scenario, you're back to where you started.
 
Me? I would like the black community to see the situation for what it is and turn that around for the good of the black community AND the nation.
 
Jim S >> Perhaps the people who damage them most are the ones who tell them not to trust those who try to help them?
 
OK... that's more to the point and debatable.  Is that the case with this message?  Am I (the author) damaging them the most?
 
Lastly, if the message is wrong what is my motivation?  Do I believe my message or am I seeking to hurt those I purpose to show the light?
 
The reverse could be asked of "the liberals" I identify in the post.
 
Mircea Negres Added Jan 3, 2019 - 3:58pm
Good question at the end. I got an answer: welfare payments, food stamps, reasons to sell drugs on street corners, victim mentality, looting during riots, affirmative action and in general any excuse to keep thinking that living in a ghetto where bullets fly at random is a virtue instead of a damned waste of life.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 3:59pm
Leroy >> I'm afraid you've kicked a hornet's nest among the white apologists.
 
Again!? :)
 
I can handle the hornets.
 
Again, I hope we can concentrate on the contents of the message because the messengers (race, religion, age, etc...) are not relevant to the truth of the post.
The Owl Added Jan 3, 2019 - 5:10pm
Ironic that SE says that there is no racism in Switzerland and yet he opining that they never should have let the Balkin refugees enter his country...
 
And, our European friends are whining because the United States and President Trump is concerned about illegal immigrants flooding our southern border? 
 
There is just as much racism as there is in any other place in the world.  The only difference is the color of skin and the country of origin.
 
Europe is also a bastion for antisemitism and the Jewish people, particularly those in eastern Europe, have the scars to prove it.
 
Please, do not lecture us on incivility, when you are as guilty as anyone else on the planet.
 
 
 
The Owl Added Jan 3, 2019 - 5:16pm
Ryan...
 
You left out the part about the American urban area being politically dominated by the Democrats for almost 75 years.  Education and crime have always been issues in those cities. And look at the results.
With the exception of a few years when a Republican held the mayor's office in New York, the American urban area has again approached the level of the bombed-out sections of the Bronx and Harlem.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jan 3, 2019 - 5:48pm
TexasLynn,
re"It is by believing in and following these white liberals that blacks have perpetuated their problems. "
 
Are you suggesting that they ignored the advice and assistance of the conservatives?
 
Mustafa
John Minehan Added Jan 3, 2019 - 5:53pm
Groups don't save other Groups.
 
However, people often help other people, and that is usually enough.  
Bill H. Added Jan 3, 2019 - 6:35pm
 
Seems like a flip to me for sure....
Never met a "Liberal" Nazi
Never met a "Liberal" White Nationalist
Never met a "Liberal" Aryan Brotherhood or Aryan Nations member
Never met a "Liberal" Ku Klux Klan member
Never met a "Liberal" Phineas Priesthood member
Most of my "Conservative" fishing buddies seem to have issues with Blacks
Trump certainly has issues with Blacks based both on his present White House staffing, and his history of not renting or leasing his properties to Blacks.
Help me out here, would ya!
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 6:41pm
 
Sure no problem, Bill.  The racist groups you mentioned make up less than 200,000 of Trump's supporters out of 62.9 million.  And, members of the KKK said they'd support Hillary.  Also, your Planned murderhood wipes out more blacks in 2 days than were lynched in the 400 years of the Translantic Slave Trade.  Lastly, 90% of blacks vote Democrat, so no matter who shows up in the White House as a conservative, there probably won't be many blacks in their administration.  Anyone who can do basic math understands that.  Did you finish Algebra 1?  Based on your statements and those of other Democrats, I seriously question your basic math skills.
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 3, 2019 - 6:57pm
One needs to be careful with an article like this. 
 
Every "problem" the black community has, there seem to be two components of the problem. One has roots in history and the other comes from simply making bad decisions. 
 
We can't change history. And nobody can make decisions for others. Each person owns their own fate. 
 
Why I sympathize with elements of the history (ex: the "black family" has historically been far more unstable than that of other races), the solution actually seems to be to forget the past (or get over it) and move on and make good decisions. 

There are a lot of programs, scholarships, etc... out there to help black people today (get into good colleges, even pay for college tuition, get into the workplace, etc...). Given the existence of these things, surely it's time for many blacks to start pulling themselves up by the bootstraps. 
 
Stay out of gangs, drugs, stay in school, don't get a girl pregnant, stay in the church, don't listen to rap music. 
 
Some of these so-called musicians are the worst role models of all time. Beyonce? Shaking herself for a living? And how many times did Obama have her to the White House? It's unreal. 
 
Obama actually was a decent role model but he had to cavort constantly with these rappers like Jay Z and others. What is a young person to think? Obama thinks highly of Beyonce, I should to. Let me emulate her....
FacePalm Added Jan 3, 2019 - 6:58pm
Stone-
You always get as much love in return as you invest. No matter how pigmented your skin or the other one's is.
 
Not my experience, not at all.
My usual experience with "giving love" is to be taken advantage of, mocked, bled as dry as possible, then kicked to the curb.
 
My opinion is that most don't really know what love is, and while suspicious of the motives of the giver, are quite happy to take the money...and whatever else isn't nailed down.  Gratitude and appreciation are far more rare here than perhaps in Switzerland, but i suspect that this problem exists just as much there as here; human nature is what it is.
 
The problem with the "welfare state," as i see it, is that the "rules" imposed on those receiving welfare prevent the recipient from thriving.  It keeps them alive, no doubt, but also keeps them down.  It could be compared to giving someone in a pit a ladder, but not allowing them to climb any more than 2 rungs on it. 
 
Part of the problem in schools is that someone thought it'd be "cool" to teach people that it's UNcool to be smart.  Nothing better to keep people stupid than for them to be taught to despise learning, and especially, how to apply knowledge toward establishing several income streams...for today's situations, just one stream simply won't cut it, for most of us.
 
IIRC, Trump has run more than FIVE HUNDRED businesses.  Beginning to get the pitcher?
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:02pm
And you've got Democrats encouraging these young girls to get abortions as a form of birth control. We stand by with these terrible rappers and call that legitimate expression of culture. (Some encourage the speaking of broken English--ebonics--as an expression of culture.) 
 
I can only imagine what it does to a poor kid watching a rap video about a young man (like him) who's a tough gangster, has his hoes, and his money, and his fancy car. And this stuff plays on these music video stations round the clock. 
 
Yeah...why are so many black young men in prison? Shooting each other in gang warfare, I can't understand it...
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:08pm
LOL, Cullen, so true.  I wonder why that happens.  And it's wealthy liberal whites who are funding much of the garbage entertainment in the black community, and in America period.  They are the ones who control hellivision, Hollyweird, and the sports industry.
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:10pm
I assume Dr. Rupert Green, from his words and his ancestry in Jamaica, is Rastafarian. 
 
I'd disagree that the Christian church is complicit in keeping blacks on the Democrat plantation. Was Martin Luther King (an ordained Christian minister) bad for black people? Did he promise much and deliver little like most liberal Democrats? Did he treat black people like little children who need to be looked after by someone?
 
Who's fault is it that something like 90% of young black kids grow up in a house without a father? That's white people's fault? 
FacePalm Added Jan 3, 2019 - 7:52pm
Cullen-
Who's fault is it that something like 90% of young black kids grow up in a house without a father? That's white people's fault?
 
That can certainly be ascribed to CERTAIN white people, specifically those who wrote the welfare rules which made it more economically sensible to have no black male adults in the household helping to raise children.  Black mothers simply made more money without black fathers around.
 
The situation might also be laid at "Great Society" LBJ's feet, too, who boasted that his new policies would "Keep the n......s voting democrat for fifty years!"  He was right, too.  They did.
 
Trump is turning that around; latest poll numbers i read were that his popularity among black men has jumped from maybe 16% prior to the 2016 election to NXS of 36%, now.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:34pm
@ Texas. Good article that is likened to a stone thrown in the bushes, which brings out the flies that feed on shit and the bees seeking nectar to make honey. It gives one a chance to see who is dining and who is working to produce honey/harmony. I see the ignorance expressed as being a function of the colonization of scholarship--leading to a history told from the point of view of the victor/enslaver.
@ Ryan. Yeah...why are so many black young men in prison? Shooting each other in gang warfare, I can't understand it...
Read up on the school to prison pipeline.
@ Cullen. "I assume Dr. Rupert Green, from his words and his ancestry in Jamaica, is Rastafarian.
I have Rasta views also.
@ Cullen. "I'd disagree that the Christian church is complicit in keeping blacks on the Democrat plantation. Was Martin Luther King (an ordained Christian minister) bad for black people? Did he promise much and deliver little like most liberal Democrats? Did he treat black people like little children who need to be looked after by someone?"
The church gave its blessing for the enslavement of Blacks.

Who's fault is it that something like 90% of young black kids grow up in a house without a father? That's white people's fault?
Remember how nice slavemasters were into family values that at every moment they could, they tore apart Black families.
@ Cullen. "There are a lot of programs, scholarships, etc... out there to help black people today (get into good colleges, even pay for college tuition, get into the workplace, etc...). Given the existence of these things, surely it's time for many blacks to start pulling themselves up by the bootstraps. "

True. Then why are some White folks claiming reverse discrimination and trying to reverse sport and other scholarships given to Blacks? For a fact, the government now have billions in grants to help educate the emerging minority-majority. The Pavlov's dog (learned helplessness) could answer the question.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:45pm
Dave V >> Glad we found agreement.  Often when you find a man in a hole, before you can help him he needs to 1) Want out of the hole and maybe 2) know who wants to keep him there.
 
Identifying #2 is what this post is all about.
 
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Dr Green >> What is the genesis of that picture?
 
White liberals dramatically demonstrating their guilt and shame concerning the state of blacks in the U.S.  It is this group that are the foot soldiers and enablers of those who are the "worst" enemy of blacks in the U.S.
 
Dr Green >> You are right in some aspects and I believe you had a conversation with Malcolm X.
 
Really?  :)  Surely you don't suspect I'm not that old.  I doubt Malcolm X and I would agree on very much.
 
Dr Green >> Ahh, the church is complicit in keeping Blacks on the Democrat plantation.
 
Totally lost me on this one.  The church would be one of the things that could help the Blacks escape that Plantation.  But I guess there are those churches (like that of Jeremiah Wright) who push the hatred and dependence the “worst enemies” depends on.
 
Dr Green >> Please be informed that Booker T 's game was to keep black tied to the plowshare.
 
Washington's vision did include an agricultural component... BUT education and self-sufficiency were very key to his message.  He was right… but he lost, and his people chose new chains.
 
Dr Green >> The Benevolent Nothern Whites wanted Blacks to learn trades and remain on the farm.
 
The Northern Whites had cheap labor in the form of European immigrants... but another source of cheap labor was fine with them, I'm sure.
 
Dr Green >> The Black Panthers were about doing self-help for Blacks. It scared the shit out of Whites and you know how the Panthers fared.
 
I believe in self-help for blacks and the concept doesn't scare me.  Are you sure it wasn't the murder and violence that "scared the shit out of Whites"?
 
Dr Green >> Whites played a good game on Blacks. First, they had them believing God's son is White so his father must be White.
 
Where do you get this stuff?  Jesus was Jewish, the King of the Jews if I'm not mistaken.  If Jewish is white, OK... if purple, OK.  I concentrate on Jesus being... God.  That is probably his most important characteristic; but that’s just me.
 
Dr Green >> They then took away their wealth, left them with the Bible, and told them to hold on to it, be long-suffering, and wait for Jesus to come back and help them.
 
Well, we're going back quite a bit, but I doubt the ones who "took away their wealth" were the same ones who gave them the "Bible".  If I'm not mistaken the abolition movement was largely headed by... Christians.
 
As for holding onto faith, being long-suffering, and being ready (really ready) for the return of Christ... that's good advice for anybody... in my book.
 
Thanks for the comment.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:45pm
Phoenix >> You, as someone who doesn't live in the US, can't really comment on what happens inside the US, because you don't know. Admit it. You just don't know.
 
Ooooph... I'd hate that standard to be applied to me.  There is so much wrong with Europe I'd like to comment on every now and then. :)
 
Phoenix >> There's no widespread discrimination here anymore, and there hasn't been for a long time.
 
I've been preaching that here for a long time... but a lot of people just choose not to believe it... especially Europeans and non-Americans.
 
Systemic racism is long, long gone.  Decades gone.
 
Phoenix >> ... Switzerland...
 
Stone?  Are you in Switzerland right now... I thought you were in Africa.  You're going to have to let me know where this land of no racism is.
 
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Jim S >> Dave Volek,   Was that "I can't agree."?
 
He can't "argue" Jim... :P
 
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Ryan >> Democrats control nearly all the cities with black populations, Jim, and black literacy and black  illegitimacy is off the charts.  So, you have to blame the Democrats. 
 
Well, you don't have to... but you should, IF... your intellectually honest.
 
 
Owl >> American urban area being politically dominated by the Democrats for almost 75 years.
 
Exactly... I'll reiterate the point I made with Stone.  IF we were to turn over control of all black cities and communities to the boggy men (KKK, Neo-Nazis, Shriners); and they tried their hardest to destroy black families and the community as a whole... I doubt they could have had done as much damage as the liberals that ARE in control of those cities and communities.
 
If the devils you fear, and hate could not do any more harm to you than what has been done by those who profess to love and protect you?  WHAT do you have to lose?
 
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VPECE, As for your friend, at least he is suffering for his own failures.  That's a bit more refreshing than a whole people suffering for following the wrong pied pipers of racial grievance.
 
You're right that handing out alms is not a solution to an overall social problem.  The panhandler needs help, the black community needs help.  But as I said, eventually one needs to realize the spare change is never going to solve the problem and "shrug off" the "help" of those who continually offer it.  Until you reach that realization, no amount of spare change will improve your lot in life.
 
Thanks for the comment.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:46pm
Luther W >> I once read a quote which went something like this: "The US is such a vast region of consciousness, that whatever can honestly be said of what happens here, the exact opposite is probably even more true".
 
Interesting quote.
 
Luther W >> On another note, claiming that all is well in Africa is more than a bit disingenuous. For example, consider what is happening in South Africa, right now. I could go on...
 
REALLY good point.  Africa (particularly South Africa) is no Switzerland (land of no racism).
 
There were indeed wrongs under apartheid, but the South Africans are now committing national suicide by racial hatred.  We'll be sending food aid to the starving in a few short years.
 
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Thomas S >> Dr. Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell are both black economist that have a self interest motive to actually study the problems that TexasLynn has put forth. 
 
Williams and Sowell?  I'll have to look these guys up. :)
 
Thomas S >> The basic problem in black and now rural America is the breakdown in the family structure of two parents...
 
Exactly... this is the spare change the "worst" enemies of the black community thrown in the cup of the black community.  Until they realize it, that's all they'll get.  That and stirred up hatred.
 
The destruction of the family structure is THE key that has destroyed a multitude of black lives.  And before we (white people) shake our heads to vigorously... we're just a step or two behind them.  The enemies of the blacks are our enemies.  They would have us in their grasp if they can.
 
You're quotes from these Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams fellows seems to put things in perspective.  Hmmmm...
 
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Mircea Negres >> Good question at the end. I got an answer: welfare payments, food stamps, reasons to sell drugs...
 
Yes... Though I am loath to borrow from one of the most evil doctrines known to man.  "You have nothing to lose but your chains".
 
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Mustafa K >> Are you suggesting that they ignored the advice and assistance of the conservatives?
 
I am suggesting they (on the whole) have never considered the option.  Many are so isolated they are unaware there is another option.  But... we’re not at that point yet.  They are not even ready to hear our advice.
 
FIRST, they need to know the nature of those whose advise and “help” they are taking; and realize the suffering they have endured because of it.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:46pm
Bill H >> Help me out here, would ya!
 
I think you're symbolic of the blacks Bill.  Are you at a point of wanting help?  Have you ever tried to pull a man out of a hole who is determined to stay there? :P
 
Bill H >> Never met a "Liberal" Nazi
 
Have you ever met a Nazi?  A "National Socialist"?  It is a misnomer that the Nazis were of the right... Propaganda pushed (with great success) by the Communists after WWII.  The socialist part should kinda be a clue.
 
As for all the other's you list... Boggy men whose total numbers and influence are insignificant.  They would be even less insignificant if not used as tools (by the left) to drum up fear and racial hatred.
 
Bill H >> Most of my "Conservative" fishing buddies seem to have issues with Blacks
 
Interesting... I probably have a lot more "conservative" fishing buddies than you do and NONE of them have any issues with blacks.  Where are you finding these dumb-asses you fish with?
 
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Cullen K >> Why I sympathize with elements of the history (ex: the "black family" has historically been far more unstable than that of other races)
 
I'm sorry Cullen (and I'm probably misunderstanding you), are you saying that historically black families were less stable than other races.  That's not true.
 
"During the late 1800s, there were only slight differences between the black family structure and those of other ethnic groups" -- Walter Williams
 
"According to the 1938 Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences, that year only 11 percent of black children were born to unwed mothers. As late as 1950, female-headed households constituted only 18 percent of the black population. Today it's close to 70 percent." -- Walter Williams
 
No... something has caused the destruction of black family.  Maybe... MAYBE... it was their "worst" enemy as identified in this post.  Maybe it's nothing personal, maybe this enemy wants to replace the social structure of the family with something else (like the state).  If such malevolence is possible, nobody, not any race of family is safe.
 
The rest of your analysis is, of course, spot on.... gangs, violence, arts, role models, abortion, prison... all the fruits of the "help" bestowed by the left.
 
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FaceP, really good analysis of the welfare state and how it can be used as a chain to hold people back.  Then the schools seem to do the same, then we find that the culture embraces the chains.
 
And all of this is run and controlled by?  The worst enemies of the enslaved.
 
And then the coup de grâce...
 
FaceP >> That can certainly be ascribed to CERTAIN white people, specifically those who wrote the welfare rules which made it more economically sensible to have no black male adults in the household helping to raise children.  Black mothers simply made more money without black fathers around.
 
Take the most evil man you can think of (the devil himself), bent on creating the most death and misery among a race of people.  I ask you, could he have succeeded in that goal any better than these "worst" enemies have in the name of compassion?
 
FaceP >> Trump is turning that around; latest poll numbers i read were that his popularity among black men has jumped from maybe 16% prior to the 2016 election to NXS of 36%, now.
 
Once again, FP you come up with some form of hope my skeptical side just can't grasp.  I hope you're right.
 
But think about this.  IF the black community comes to its senses and abandons their jailers?  Think of the ramifications for the future of the nation.  I see little hope, but THAT would really turn the tide. :)
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:47pm
Thanks all, really great comments.
 
By the way... the above post was largely a rewriting of the sentiments expressed by Malcolm X about a half century ago.  I did bring the vernacular up-to-date and add a few observations.  Here is exactly what Malcolm X said so you can see it's pretty well the same.
 
"The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man." -- Malcolm X
 
I have no doubt that Malcolm X and I would agree on very little... but on this he was right.
 
If anybody followed Ryan's link... in the first frickin' comment :)... my jig was up.  I tried to give Ryan a wink and a nod with "Careful there Ryan... don't expose me quite yet."
 
I, of course, read the same article by the esteemed Dr. Walter Williams which gave me the idea for the post.  So, credit where it is due. :)  I am a huge fan of Williams and Sowell.  These two men are a blessing to this nation.
 
Also... Dr Green saw the semblance with Malcolm X as well... so it's hard to get this stuff past some of you guys.
 
Now, if I'm not mistaken it’s time for Jeff Michka to now accuse me of plagiarism. :)
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 9:52pm
 
Rupert, 75% of black babies are born without a married father, and 75% of black boys in CA are functionally illiterate.  If you think these two problems are the fault of anyone but the parents, you are deceived.  No one makes us  have sex with people we aren't married to but OURSELVES.  It is the parents job to make sure their kid can read.  So, the school to prison pipeline is a myth, though white liberals do mess things up with their treating blacks as victims and giving welfare.  If any person thinks they deserve anything in life because of their skin color, because their ancestors were mistreated, or because they were mistreated, go to the court system.  The court system recognizes all of these claims are bogus, saving the third, in which case they give restitution for rightful claims.  But those who continue through life with these bogus claims are DISABLED.  Anyone who thinks his destiny is wrapped up in anything but his own choices is foolish.  This liberal thinking has infected the black community.  It is no one's fault that a child is born our of marriage EXCEPT THE PARTIES WHO HAD THE CHILD.  When a culture glorifies sex and promiscuity, along with drugs, who should be surprised at rampant fatherlessness.  All races in America have issues with fatherlessness, but only the black community is blaming the consequences on America and history, instead of doing something about it.  All of us men have a duty to keep our bodies to OURSELVES, until we are married.  When a man fails to do that, no matter his race, since men are the hunters and women are the hunted, it's his fault.
Bill H. Added Jan 3, 2019 - 10:33pm
 
I actually know some local self-proclaimed Nazis fairly well, as I worked with two of them and did electrical and security camera work at the homes of three others. And guess what....They were are staunch Trump supporters and made it well known to me.
And also, I was on a boat with 3 other guys just last year when the phrase "A boatload of Niggers on our spot" was uttered and discussed between several fisherman on our group's radio channel, as they were apparently upset that they were anchored in the area that they usually fish at . These guys are certainly not "Liberals", and when I brought it up at the weigh-in dock, stating their discussion was uncool, I almost ended up having to pound the face of one of these "good ole boys" when he got a bit cocky with me due to sucking up a few too many brewskis on the lake prior.
I really don't think you are going to ever convince me that a good portion of the diehard Trump supporters have an issue with not only Blacks, but many other non-whites as well.
Certainly not from what I have witnessed.
Sorry!
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 10:41pm
 
I thought it was from Walter Williams, Texas, but you rewrote it so well, that I didn't say it.  Perhaps I should have refrained from posting the article. When I read the first paragraph of your article, I thought you had posted Williams' whole article, but upon completing it, I saw you took the seed of the article, and grew your own article, which was well done.  I do this all the time too.  I just did it on my last article, which came from an American Thinker article.   
 
Bill H. your reasoning is a logical fallacy known as the appeal to anecdote.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 11:12pm
I'm sorry Bill, I seem to be taking you a bit too literally.
 
Nazis equal members of the "National Socialist" political Party that came to power in the 1930s in fascist Germany.  I'm assuming the guys you know aren't German, socialist, nationalists, or that old.  They're just guys who have chosen a label, probably for racist reasons and nothing else.
 
The originals... the "National Socialist"... were really socialist... were really leftist.
 
I can't speak for your "self-proclaimed" nazis.  They mostly just sound like idiots.
 
Literally again, I also have a habit of associating "buddies" with friends one associates with on a regular basis and not just people you happen to run across. 
 
Is it me, or are these stories lacking congruity.  You forgot to work in how on the boat the nigger haters loved Trump.  I'm sure it came up though.
 
I'm doing my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'm having a real hard time not just calling bullshit.  Sorry!
 
Bill H >> I really don't think you are going to ever convince me that a good portion of the diehard Trump supporters have an issue with not only Blacks, but many other non-whites as well.
 
You seem to have decided Trump and anybody who may remotely support him is racist.  What I don’t know (and wonder) is how far you’ll go to maintain the narrative.
 
I am expected to believe that you, Bill, can’t seem to swing a dead cat without hitting a racist, Nazi, Trump supporter… yet I live in the deep south and have never seen one… not one.  Where the %$#@ do you live?  CNN?  MSNBC?
 
So, no Bill, I don't think I am going to convince you either.  You're too determined to stay in that hole and have no intention of coming up for air.  Certainly not from what I have witnessed.
TexasLynn Added Jan 3, 2019 - 11:22pm
Ryan...
Yes... yes... it was Walter Williams.  It was the exact column you linked to.  My bad.
 
I read the columns of Williams and Sowell on a regular basis.
 
And, no, you shouldn't have refrained; it was actually humorous that you caught it.  No harm done. :)
 
I took just the Malcomn X quote, reworded it a bit and added a few things to flesh it out (and disguise it).  My intent was to see the reaction of some when that same sentiment came from a white boy.  From there I knew the thread would flesh out the truth behind the sentiment.  I was not disappointed.  The comments were really, good (some more so than others).
Ryan Messano Added Jan 3, 2019 - 11:45pm
:), no worries, Texas, those two seem to be quite inspiring.  Yet, sadly, they are pilloried and ridiculed in the press, though, tragically, both would have made great first black presidents.  How tragic for our nation that men like them were denied the privilege that a charlatan like Obama was given.
 
Well done.  Well done.  It seems that all we do and say is simply something that resonated within us.
Jim Stoner Added Jan 4, 2019 - 12:16am
Sorry was a little slow getting back to you, Tex. 
Referring to your responses to me: 
I'll give you a pass on the second one I challenged ( "nothing to lose"); it's a semantic argument but I feel it is unwise to take on Trumpian tag lines. 
 
On the first one  ("presume to tell their business")  I guess no harm if free advice is not needed.  So knock yourself out--actually, you shouldn't.  
 
Regarding the last one ("who damages more") the idea with public policy is to make it possible for someone who's legit to succeed (in what they want to do).  The best path--the one with the best chance for success--is through education.  There are others, like modern-day apprenticeships, internships, and vocational training.  I can't speak for a broad class like "liberals", but that's what I'm about on the subject.
 
The doors of advancement must be open to those people of color and to women.    In terms of the rhetoric, the conservatives talk opportunity but the doors stay where they are.  The liberals try to open them. 
 
Then there is the question of "hope and change", whether the promise was fulfilled (and whether it was "the liberals" who may have blocked fulfillment, if not).  Certainly "the liberals" can be blamed for raising expectations. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 4, 2019 - 12:56am
White Christians fought to end slavery (in the North). Same as in the British Empire--Wilberforce, a British lord, was a devout Christian and spent nearly his entire adult life fighting to end slavery. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 2:49am
I wish as a kid I had recorded many of the conversations that took place around our dinner table on holidays. We had some great discussions about the LBJ programs to destroy the nuclear family and I still maintain that this is the direct result of intentional action on the part of the government to continue and strengthen the divide between the people of this nation.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 3:18am
Tex
 
Fair enough, your replies.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 3:20am
Luther
 
As I said there are 50 countries in Africa. Seen the meddling we do in almost all of them, it's no surprise that some of them don't function well. Look at Central/South America for example. Their crime statistics exceed by far the ones in Africa. Oh, I forgot Mexico......your front door.
opher goodwin Added Jan 4, 2019 - 4:11am
Tex - you really think that slavery and segregation were Liberal phenomena? Or that the actions of white liberals to end segregation was wrong? You really think that the right-wing, the KKK and the bigotry of the South have the interests of Black people at heart?
You really think that liberals fighting for equality of race is harmful to blacks and the right-wing attitudes are in their interests?
I am boggled.
Sounds all very Orwellian to me. Or do you think that black people will be better off if they accept their place as second-class citizens?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 4, 2019 - 5:17am
@Texas. This happened in the past.    Cry of reverse racism currently comes from Whites. Do you think they will appreciate schools preparing Blacks to become doctors, lawyers, and other professionals while White kids are going to prisons?
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 5:43am
"Do you think they will appreciate schools preparing Blacks to become doctors, lawyers, and other professionals while White kids are going to prisons?"
 
If white kids are committing crimes? Absolutely. 
 
Mind you, I do not like lawyers as a rule, no matter what color they are ... but that same principle holds true for both people I like and those I do not ... if they are good people, I like them, if they are not, I do not. Who cares what color they are or who they sleep with? 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 4, 2019 - 7:04am
 Nice article. Unaware that they were being fed the sentiments of Brother Malcolm X, some came to feast on what appeared to be their usual fare of bigotted table talk.   Others came to decry the fare as antithetical to the advancement of our society. White privilege gives one a point of view that is jaundiced. The projects were built to contain and control Blacks, the disintegration of the Black family was continued from the slavery ( selling off families) era by ensuring the Black father was minimized. To gain some social security benefits, when it was time for recertification, the Black father had to be disappeared. Watch some old sitcoms to see. Imagine the lessons little Black boys and girls learned.
 
Did poor White mothers, who are the major welfare recipients, had to have their man hidden to get benefits.? Blacks were purposely placed in the projects while all White Levitz town was built.
According to Richard Rothstein, research associate at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), segregation is no accident. Federal housing policies starting in the 1930s are largely to blame for ongoing racial segregation and its economic effects.
 
Tell me how benevolent Whites are when in a school of 2000 Black children, not one Black teacher is found? Up to 73% of the nation's school teachers are White middle-class mostly females. Tell me about the expectation White teachers have of Black boys when they are scared of them?  Are you telling me that beneficient White teachers will teach Black boys to keep out of prisons where their husbands work as correction officers?
 
Only a fool will say that what happened to Blacks in the past has nothing to do with their present condition, so they must pull themselves up by their bootstrap and stop their nonsense about repatriation. Did the Jewish people get repatriation? Did the Japenese get repatriation? Did the Vietnamese get repatriation to America because their own people did them wrong?
 
Tell me also, if in the last Whites' tribal war, which they called a  world war, if the Germans had won, it would not make a difference to the language spoken in America and the fate of the Jews?  
 
@ Ward. "Who cares what color they are or who they sleep with? "
Many White folks were concerned about color that they made sex the basis for the racial divide in America.  Slave masters were enjoying the underneath of the funky and voluptuous Black enslaved women.
However, when the plantation owners' wives and even wives of leading White citizen demanded some of those hunged enslaved brothers, even at the penalty of some serious whipping, laws were made to stop them--because the whipping and other efforts would not stop them women( Lerone Bennette, Before the Mayflower). Was it in 1967 that the law was changed to allow interracial marriage? Why do you think White men were so angry at the Black man's penis that they ensured castration and its mutilation when they lynched?
 
Additionally, if you are a teacher in NYC school and tell me you do not care about color, then you are blind as a bat or a disingenuous teacher. How could you stand in front of such multicolored group of children and say you do not see color? 
 
Be careful about wanting the truth as you may not be able to handle it. As crackered up as some of you may want to be, if you look under your mammas' old bed, you may find a Blackman.
 
 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 7:55am
"Be careful about wanting the truth as you may not be able to handle it. As crackered up as some of you may want to be, if you look under your mammas' old bed, you may find a Blackman."
 
Actually, having traced my family lineage back to the six hundreds, there are numerous occasions wherein black blood has entered into my ancestry ... and thus my person. I also have Irish blood ... and like it or not, the oppression and slavery was not limited to blacks or even to Africans. Furthermore, there are more slaves in the world today than there were in the entire history of the USA. What is different is the destruction that has been wrought and which societies used this as an excuse to laud mediocrity and which ones cowboyed up, dealt with it and moved on. I would argue that living well is still the best revenge no matter what race one may be. 
 
"Did poor White mothers, who are the major welfare recipients, had to have their man hidden to get benefits.?"
 
Yes, the Moynihan Report is only one study, but the destruction of the nuclear family unit was not just about destroying black families, though that was certainly one intent. It was also intent on destroying the family unit as a whole and replacing it with the state, and also destroying God and replacing it with the state. Now that the state has won, they continue to oppress and enslave all of us while we sit here and argue about what color we are instead of working together to find solutions. 
 
"Additionally, if you are a teacher in NYC school" I am not, though I have taught courses in Guinea, Cameroon, Nigeria and worked indirectly with others from Uganda, Senegal and other locations throughout Africa, though I have also worked with the European hispanics and the indigenous tribes of the Americas. I have even worked with white people from time to time. Any discussion about teaching in NYC would be mere speculation on my part, though I still refuse to define someone by their race or sexual proclivities. I have found that it is indeed much more relevant in regards to the content of character than it is to the color of skin or sexual preference. 
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 4, 2019 - 8:40am
@ ward. Well said.
 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:45am
Rupert
 
I see there seems to be a lot of difference between blacks in the US and in Africa. Last time I was in the US was 2000, so that's quite a while ago. When I was living in the US in 1980 I had no problems walking around in Harlem at night, I felt safe, unlike when I was living in a white neighborhood in Pleasant Hill, CA. 
 
I don't know how your connections to Africa are, but let me tell you that there people are finally starting to say WE ARE AFRICANS and we don't want to be ruled anymore by neocolonists who are în fact the old ones (read the history of the Franc CFA).
 
The people, for example in West Africa, start to say: "Why are our school books filled with sketches of white people when we're black here ? Why is there no history of our ancient kingdoms of Gana, Mali or Songhai in our books but just the history of Europe ?"
 
My kids in Cameroon, who I taught in French and English now and then (you know that Internet printouts are forbidden as school material, you have to buy official books that many families can't pay !!) made me aware of that, and it's true. Africans are denied their proper history.
 
I had many fights with the director of the school because of unfair practices, like, no uniform, no school, no books, no school. All he said: Sorry, the government...
 
And the government is what ? Colonist France from behind. As in Ruanda, Mali, or all that was called Soudan Français before.
 
Now.....the youth has progressed. despite all of that. In Buea, Bamako, Dakar.
 
And I tell you what: Young Africans don't like their US counterparts. Apart from the music they say....they're primitive, aggressive and arrogant to us Africans. And they might have a point.
 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:05am
"I don't know how your connections to Africa are, but let me tell you that there people are finally starting to say WE ARE AFRICANS and we don't want to be ruled anymore by neocolonists who are în fact the old ones (read the history of the Franc CFA)."
 
And now you have the Chinese putting in their two cents so to speak ... Port Deal in Kenya, deals in Sri Lanka and even down in Ecuador in South America ... they go in, loan them more money than they can pay back, and then take over natural and/or national resources in return. The Chinese have apparently learned well from both the UN and the US. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:07am
Guinea is itself a French term based on a derivative of a Portuguese term, used to separate the Guinean people from the Moorish people farther north. The whole area is rife with remnants and detriments of colonial occupation. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:19am
Ward
 
You're so right. The Chinese are everywhere, no conditions, bang,. deliver and cash in, build roads etc. Long story....and when I tell my Swiss counterparts: Hey, hospitals are short of this and that, they say it's too risky. Ok, the Chinese send a test container for free and they're in.
 
And we work our ass off, the minister tells us, bring the stuff over here, and I say, sorry, the Swiss hesitate, the Spaniards don't make CIF for a 20" and the Indians have to go through n subcontractors to get a container of pampers shipped.
 
Now I'm in connection with....the Chinese LOL
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:22am
You may want to look at what the Chinese have done in Sri Lanka, Kenya and Ecuador before you jump in lock, stock and barrel with them. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:30am
Ward
 
I know the risk. But I could give you examples on how the French dealt (and still do) with Cameroon. Take Senegal: Of course we're aware of the Chinese takeover plans, because Dakar is a strategic point not only interesting to the French, but also for the US (we have heaps of noisy US soldiers here lately) and the Chinese.
 
But: People here haven't forgotten the wars in Libya, Iraq and Syria (Muslim countries) by the US. They don't trust the US at all. The Chinese are pragmatic: They don't care about religions or political systems, they know that business is all that counts.
 
And although they have a reputation of not really including the local population in the work market for their projects people tell me:
 
What can we do ? We're poor and we prefer a friendly takeover to any war, like the US has done and still does. Better be dependent than bombed dead.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 11:57am
"I know the risk. But I could give you examples on how the French dealt (and still do) with Cameroon."
 
As could I. 
 
Point being, solutions for Africa must come from Africans. 
Riley Brown Added Jan 4, 2019 - 12:46pm
I no longer believe social assistance programs help people trapped in generational poverty as much as they trap them in that cycle.
 
It's not all the people's fault, many of the programs are structured in ways that penalize anyone who dares try and better themselves.  The second they officially make too much money they lose all sorts of benefits, and then if the income doesn't last are in a world of crap because it's tough to get signed up again.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 4, 2019 - 1:01pm
That seems to have been the general intention of the programs to begin with Riley Brown. 
opher goodwin Added Jan 4, 2019 - 1:20pm
Riley - then change the systems don't blame the people.
Jim Stoner Added Jan 4, 2019 - 2:15pm
The Malcolm X rewrite was a clever touch, congrats.  He was important in African American history because he did present a different take and a new vein of skepticism about "wypipo".  He was a Black Muslim, until he broke with them, and was interested in Black Nationalism.  I hope those movements, useful though they may have been at the time, are more on the dustbin of history.   We should look to solve our racial problems rather than box them up and ship them off. 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 4, 2019 - 6:54pm
Opher G. and Riley, both have to happen the system needs to change and the people need to take personal responsibility.  One of the first responsibilities they have  is to not elect people that do not serve their interests.  That is one of the strangest things to happen is to continue to vote in politicians that lie.    
 
There is a direct link to marriage and the capacity of a man to provide for a family.  Welfare of single mothers has set the bar higher then a poor educated person can earn.    We need to return those low skill and thus low wage or labor intense jobs to America. 
 
I have no idea how you can get a man that has already not taken responsibility for his children, has no skills to use to earn a living outside of crime, and no societal pressure exist to shame him into taking responsibility.   The Black community is the only one that can solve this complex problem that took decades to create and will take decades to turn around.    It will take a lot of creativity.   Some how the self esteem of these men need to be lifted.   
 
I can tell you Socialist and progressives that single mothers and schools will never succeed in getting boys to think like girls.   Their happen to be a few million years of biological coding.  It only takes an open view of all types of animals to see how long the difference in males and females have been coded into genes.  You will not find one animal without a difference, not one.  
 
Single mother need lots of help.  They have the desire to create men that will be responsible.  Women do not want a man that doesn't bring something to the family.  Single mother will do their part if the community and government provide a supporting role of teaching them what works and providing the safety and opportunity.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 4, 2019 - 7:11pm
The key to recovery is ownership.  The poor need to be capable of keeping the results of their labor.  That means crime needs to be significantly reduced to provide a safe environment.  Go back and read the quote I presented of Dr. Friedman. 
 
Dr. King's marchers happen to get the good fortune of the welfare system only providing the minimum and even less then what was fair.  Discrimination actually worked in favor of the social and family structure in the south before the nationalization of welfare by the Great Society. 
 
We need to return responsibility for welfare to the local groups that are also working to rebuild the social structure.  To teach men to take responsibility for their children.  To learn the moral codes that have worked for centuries.  Government need to provide oversight for the expenditure of the money but the community need to choose who is succeeding and which programs are failing.   
 
The founders had the approach that government needs to be done and the lowest level of government possible.  Cities need to be broken into communities that are self governing.  End city wide school boards and other city wide service providers that provide face to face services.   Many do not and they can stay as a single agency.
ChetDude Added Jan 4, 2019 - 8:46pm
"The worst enemy that blacks have is a certain group of white people."
 
Correct, today they're called republicans...
ChetDude Added Jan 4, 2019 - 8:56pm
Click-bait...
TexasLynn Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:27pm
All, thank you for the comments (many of them superb); another great thread thanks to you guys.
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Ryan >> both (Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell) would have made great first black presidents.
 
Yes!  Can you imagine the boon to the nation with either of these great men at the helm?  And think of the groundswell of support either of these guys would receive from all us “racist” conservatives. :)
 
I remember years ago voting (in the primary) for Allen Keys (over GW Bush).  Allen Keys was great, but Williams or Sowell?  Even better!
 
Ryan >> How tragic for our nation that men like them were denied the privilege that a charlatan like Obama was given.
 
Yes, and the tragedy was almost repeated with the likes of Clinton as the first woman president.  I still fear that distinction will fall to someone as reprehensible as Clinton.
 
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Jim S >> but I feel it is unwise to take on Trumpian tag lines.
 
That was perhaps a bit of a conservative jab... BUT the question is valid, IMO.
 
If you look at the plight of the black community and how things are not getting any better why not try something different?
 
Jim S >> no harm if free advise is not needed
 
Well, this is an opinion site... so I'm just giving my opinion.  As I said of my opinion before "It' worth every penny you paid for it."
 
Jim S >> The best path... education.
 
Then we're mostly on the same page.  But look at this from what I (and Malcolm X) are trying to say.  Education of the black community is mostly under the control of blacks and white liberals.  AND it is not getting the job done, not even remotely.  Unions protect bad teachers... massive bureaucracies... horrible curriculum... little to no emphasis on vocational training or preparation the real world...
 
If you had put the KKK in charge of black education, they could hardly have intentionally screwed things up as bad as these guys.
 
The destruction of the black family would be another example.  The policies of their liberal benefactors (especially since LBJ) have totally decimated the black family.  What KKK grand dragon could have done any worse?  And these idiots are continually supported by the black community?  Why?  Why aren’t these idiots being burned in effigy instead?
 
Jim S >> In terms of the rhetoric, the conservatives talk opportunity but the doors stay where they are.
 
That is a valid point.  We conservatives have done a horrible job of putting forth our ideals (school choice, welfare reform) and how they would really solve the problem (or at least be better).  So that's on us.
 
Jim S >> The liberals try to open them.
 
Some do... a majority do; but the foundation of the policies is flawed and have created the mess we have.  In essence, their intentions are good, but the road (the results) is still hell.
 
A small minority, (mostly leadership) of the white liberals have in mind subjugation with no thought to actual solutions.
 
And please understand.  View this post as written by a young black man in the 60s... because it was.  I just presented it as mine to make the point that it is the message, not the messenger that counts.  Half a century later, I think he has been proven right.  The "worst enemy" of the black people is white liberals".  Just look at the results… the proof…
 
Thanks for the comments.  Give this some thought.
TexasLynn Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:28pm
Cullen K >> White Christians fought to end slavery...
 
Notice how we rarely get credit for that.  We are always the enslavers, never the abolitionist.
 
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Ward T >> We had some great discussions about the LBJ programs to destroy the nuclear family and I still maintain that this is the direct result of intentional action on the part of the government to continue and strengthen the divide between the people of this nation.
 
LBJ was one of the most vile human being to ever breathe air... much less hold the Oval Office.  Given the disastrous results and his racist rhetoric it's hard to see it as anything but intentional.
 
LBJ despised the niggers (his term, not mine)… and he enslaved them as a base of power for his kind for generations… just like he predicted.  Let’s hope it doesn’t last as long as he predicted.
 
If Malcolm X was right and the white liberal was the "worst enemy" of the black community; LBJ was their king.
 
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Opher G, as usual, your comments are full of obfuscation.  First, let us move forward into the last half century or so.  Second, if I remember history, and I do; a lot of the civil rights legislation passed thanks to the GOP who you can't really say were leftist.
 
Even if you say the conservatives were enemies of the black people... take the above post as written by a young black man who lived at the time of segregation.  That guy realized the real enemy, the "worst" enemy of the blacks were the white liberals.
 
History has proved him right.  Even if you consider us (conservatives) bad… we aren’t the WORST… we aren’t the most destructive to blacks.  You are.
 
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Dr Green >> Cry of reverse racism currently comes from Whites.
 
Because racism is racism when applied to any race... even whites.  It exists and it never should.
 
Dr Green >> Do you think they will appreciate schools preparing Blacks to become doctors, lawyers, and other professionals while White kids are going to prisons?
 
No... but I think they will appreciate ALL kids, regardless of race, being prepared for all kinds of professions. 
 
Dr Green >> Unaware that they were being fed the sentiments of Brother Malcolm X
 
Like I said, I have to give credit to Walter Williams who brought the quote to my attention.
 
What has been done to the black family here in the U.S. is a horrible tragedy and crime.  Who knows if it was intentional or just a side effect.  What cannot be denied is the results:
1) The black family has been decimated by liberal programs (education and welfare)
2) The black community was successfully chained to the liberal cause (like LBJ predicted)
3) Some liberals would like to replicate this "success" with any and all poor peoples (no matter their race).
 
Ward T >> Yes, the Moynihan Report is only one study, but the destruction of the nuclear family unit was not just about destroying black families, though that was certainly one intent. It was also intent on destroying the family unit as a whole and replacing it with the state
 
Exactly Ward, well said... the system is intent upon enslaving and replacing the family with the state.  The state is the end all be all goal of many on the left.
TexasLynn Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:28pm
Stone E >> I see there seems to be a lot of difference between blacks in the US and in Africa.
 
Stone, thank you so much for that depiction in the difference in the two black societies.  THAT is the kind of stuff you (from your unique position) can inform us of that we would otherwise have no way of knowing.
 
What you describe encourages me... at least for parts of Africa.  I hope someday those men/women you are teaching can forgive us our sins and embrace us as brothers.
 
Ward T >> Point being, solutions for Africa must come from Africans.
 
BAM!  Yes!  You and Stone have nailed it!  Thank you for that exchange?
 
And look at the symmetry between what some would do to Africa and where we find ourselves in the U.S.
 
I hope as the Africans can find a way to resist all the influences that would like to enslave them (like the Chinese as Ward has shown us).  The key is deferring gratification and making their own way on their own terms.  Few can do that.  Please, make sure they understand that (Stone).  God bless you.
 
TexasLynn Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:29pm
Riley >> I no longer believe social assistance programs help people trapped in generational poverty as much as they trap them in that cycle.
 
Riley!  Thanks for joining the discussion.  You are correct; those programs enslave and destroy.  But the point of the post goes well beyond that... That revelation is just history proving that point.
 
A young black man back in the 60s knew that without the hindsight of history.  The post above is his... I'm just repeating what he knew half a century ago.  Even more astonishing... Booker T Washington knew this and tried to avert this disaster back in the early 20th century.
 
Yet, there are men today (some of WB), given all the history and evidence, are so blind... they still don't see it.  They probably would identify me a racist, for simply repeating what a black man once observed; and see no irony in that what-so-ever.
 
Riley >> It's not all the people's fault, many of the programs are structured in ways that penalize...
 
Surely, we can deduce this is not an accident.  Those in power lose power every time someone lifts him or herself out of that system.
 
All this post does, is point out two things:
1) The liberal system fails the black community by design (as Ward points out) for the purpose of power.
2) A young black man knew this half a century ago and warned his people about their "worst" enemy.  (His words... not mine).
 
Opher >> Riley - then change the systems don't blame the people.
 
We don't blame the people Opher, we simply want to inform the people, so they can
1) Realize they have been duped by their "worst" enemy.  (Malcolm X’s words, not mine)
2) Not trust those people ever again; to shrug off their chains.  (what Malcolm X wanted)
 
But I don't think you will ever understand what Malcolm X said all those decades ago.  Because your like are the ones he warned them about.
 
Thomas S >> One of the first responsibilities they have is to not elect people that do not serve their interests.
 
Exactly Thomas... and that is what Malcolm X (and I) are trying to say here.
 
Opher Goodwin (and ChetDude) still doesn't see that the liberal whites are the "worst enemy" of the blacks.  It was obvious a hundred years ago (to Booker T Washington) and half a century ago (to Malcolm X) and today with the decimation of the black family.
 
The policies of poverty and race pimps (supported by the likes Opher and Chet) enslave... not help.  Most commenting on this thread easily see that.
 
Your analyses, Thomas, of the state of the black community is spot on.  And the cause is?  White liberals and those who subscribe to their "solutions".  It's well past time for the black community to realize who their "worst" enemy is.  They don’t even have to embrace us conservatives, just see the true spots of the left would be enough.
 
I have hope they will come to their senses and kick these guys to the curb, where they belong.
 
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Jim S >> The Malcolm X rewrite was a clever touch, congrats. 
 
Thank you... I'm a bit of a sneaky little... ... guy. :)  Never trust me; I always set the little traps.
 
Jim S >> He was important in African American history because he did present a different take...
 
I'm no fan of Malcolm X; I more identify with Martin Luther King because of his Christian approach to the times and troubles.
 
Still, I try to acknowledge when someone I generally disagree with is right.  That goes for Malcolm X AND Jim Stoner. :)
 
I think we've already demonstrated we have some common ground on this issue.  Restoring education and family will be salvation of the black community or nothing will.
John Minehan Added Jan 4, 2019 - 10:55pm
The French still have on hell of a footprint in Africa and the PRC seemed to be developing one when I was there in 2004 , , , , 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 5, 2019 - 1:41am
:)  Peace unto you. 
 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 2:06am
Ward
 
Point being, solutions for Africa must come from Africans. 
 
They would like to, believe me. But they're chained by the IMF, the World Bank, a Western controlled currency (the CFA) and corrupt Western puppet presidents elected by truncated elections.
 
So what can they do ? Fight the armies which are also paid by these corrupt presidents via Western bank credits with sticks and stones ?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 2:08am
Tex
 
Thank you. I do my best to explain what I know first hand.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 2:13am
BTW Ward
 
There were presidents elected by the people but they were either ousted (Nkrumah) or killed (Sankara, Gaddafi) because they wanted exactly that: REAL independence of the old colonizers and fair trade instead of the economic colonization and exploitation that followed military colinozation after their "independence".
 
The motto was: Keep people dumb in order to be a ble to exploit them. But today another generation who is aware thanks to media has emerged. We will see how far they get in their quest for real independence.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 2:14am
colinozation....LOL. Gotta put my glasses on. Sorry ;-)
Ward Tipton Added Jan 5, 2019 - 1:11pm
"Point being, solutions for Africa must come from Africans. 
 
They would like to, believe me. But they're chained by the IMF, the World Bank, a Western controlled currency (the CFA) and corrupt Western puppet presidents elected by truncated elections.
 
So what can they do ? Fight the armies which are also paid by these corrupt presidents via Western bank credits with sticks and stones ?"
 
Yes, which is the same program the Chinese are implementing now ... I did state that they were taking a page from the UN/IMF/WB/US playbook I believe. 
 
No. What we have to do is to rebuild it from the inside ... Nigeria, Cameroon and Guinea all face a loss of funding from those organizations if our programs are implemented ... they do not take kindly to programs that help the nations become more independent. I am still working on it and still here so far ... though legally dead, I am still trying to fight as best as I can ... but with ideas, not with sticks and stones ... though our programs would be regulated out of existence before they were ever allowed to be built in the industrialized nations ... still we have some very promising negotiations that have taken place ... one more effort at funding this month for Guinea ... it should be interesting. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 1:26pm
Ward
 
Talking about Guinea Conakry ? Interesting. Hats off to what you do ! But fighting stuff like Nestlé or other exploiters is like fighting windmills. 
 
You see, I don't really trust the Chinese. But at least they don't bomb places. One has to approve little progress, and although they try to own Africa, they don't do it with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other. Life is above everything else to me. And btw: If you happen to be in Africa in February, you're more than welcome to come to Senegal. We have room enough and nice people as well :-)
Ward Tipton Added Jan 5, 2019 - 1:31pm
Uganda and Senegal are both on the list, as is some work in the Democratic Republic of the Congo ... but if I am working in Guinea, (Yes, Guinea Conakry ... though there we only say Guinea in my experience) any work in Nigeria is put on hold while I am there ... stepping between fights there is not conducive to productivity. I would love to get back. We will see what we will see, but I doubt it will be in February, probably be spending time in Switzerland first, likely Geneva on the lake ;) A fair piece from where you are I believe?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 1:44pm
Ward
 
Yep. As far as one can get in Switzerland LOL I live in Winterthur, that's close to Zurich. But no worries....I'll stay in Senegal for longer. Say it that way: In the last couple of years I was once there, last year twice. And finally, step by step, my stays grow longer and longer and more frequent. My daughter is now 15, so I'm soon safe to quit for good - with occasional stays in Switzerland.
 
I didn't want to leave when she was younger and didn't understand my motivation.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 5, 2019 - 3:29pm
My daughter is six now ... cannot imagine life without her. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 4:07pm
Ward
 
I understand that exactly. I had the chance to leave for Africa for good in 2010, but my daugther was 7 at that time......I had no father really so I wanted not to do the same shit....and I never regretted it :-)
Ward Tipton Added Jan 5, 2019 - 4:17pm
I figure in eight or ten more years I am just going to be some old guy who does not know anything and she will be convinced she has all of the answers to life ... I want to enjoy this while I can ... 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 4:29pm
Mine is 15 now, a mixed blood African-European, 1m80cm tall and an absolute beauty. I'm already afraid when she comes back home with some basecap "hey man, uh, what's up, man, huh" hiphop pseudo-gangsta from Albania. 
 
Brr....I'll kill him LOL
 
No, she knows what to expect. At least I hope my advices last a bit. At least she says Papa is cool. He's old, but he plays good music and I can joke and chat with him LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 4:36pm
BTW: We have a lot of Albanians and Ex-Yugoslavians here. We let them in after the NATO war in the Nineties and they not only bred like rabbits but don't respect our culture. We say their arguments is a knife. That's why I prepare my daughter for such stuff. These guys steal, loot, drive nice cars on credit and are top-dressed. And our police is PC infected and doesn't even have the right to smack them good when caught.
 
So I bought a pepper spray for her in case that some of that waste approaches her.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 4:44pm
BTW2:
 
I lived on the street in Switzerland for 2 years. So, I wouldn't hesitate to get a gun for 300 bucks on the black market and kill some of these bastards when they get her into problems.
 
And since I have many African friends across the border I could probably get away with it and get a ticket......;-)
Ward Tipton Added Jan 5, 2019 - 4:58pm
Just invite them to come to Africa to visit ;) 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2019 - 5:02pm
Hey that's a good idea ! Problem solved .....LOL
Riley Brown Added Jan 5, 2019 - 5:35pm
Opher, I'd like to change the system but I'm outvoted by liberals who don't agree with me.
 
Unfortunately they are empowered to spend my money the way they want to.
FacePalm Added Jan 6, 2019 - 4:18am
Stone-
What is equally as effective but not so noticeable as pepper spray is hornet spray.  It's got about a 50' effective radius, too; hit potential attackers in the eyes, and you'll have little trouble with them afterwards.  Don't know about Swiss cops, but US ones have confiscated pepper spray from people.  They're unlikely to think that wasp/hornet spray is anywhere near as dangerous, you see, but it is.
 
Boys are tough to raise; girls are tougher, imo, mainly because they can argue better.
 
But i'm glad you're working to improve the lives of others, and not only with music, but sweat.  More should follow your lead, and/or contribute to your NGO.  Same goes for Ward.
 
If/when i'm blessed with some dough, significant funding will come your way.  Have you ever thought about starting up a GoFundMe, perhaps with a side-goal of funding African businesses?  If you haven't yet, you might want to think about asking some of your Senegalese friends if they've ever thought about running a business, what kind, and maybe teach them how to write a business plan.
 
i have read that MANY small African businesses have been funded by small loans, and the default rate has been extremely low - that is, very few of those who get these loans do not pay them back (except maybe in Nigeria, where i understand many hundreds of princes live who want to share their wealth with Americans who will just send them the funds to get the government to release the big money...).
Ward Tipton Added Jan 6, 2019 - 4:36am
We cannot run gofundme campaigns in the Philippines. I have a bunch of friends who have offered to run them including two accountants in the US, but not one has yet even signed in to look at it, much less added their data to the accounts. Kickstarter and some of the other sites are not quite so ideally suited. A lot of scams I have seen on gofundme too which bothers me some as well. Would love to get one going so we can finish building the school where my daughter attends, even if it is not for us directly at this stage. We still have one roof with nothing but tarps and one building that does not yet have walls ... and I cannot even get my wife to take pictures :/ 
 
If you want fact filled tech writing, I am your huckleberry ... if you want emotionally driven content that will encourage people to reach into their wallets, my writing skills suck as much as my interpersonal skills ... or lack thereof as the case may be. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:34am
Face
 
What is equally as effective but not so noticeable as pepper spray is hornet spray
 
Hey, thanks for that hint - I'll check that out - and thanks for your offer and inputs. I tried Gofundme a few years ago to be able to buy a used car for taxi in Cameroon for my family (I'm not rich myself), but there was no response really. I got about 50$ from a well-meaning guy, while another who needed to get his dog fixed got about 10'000 $ in a few days.
 
That kind of....well, discouraged me.
 
You can check my site www.afronum.com, there's some nice pics and stuff, but since my NGO runs dry this time I haven't been updating it. That's why we work now on a profit basis and hope to put some of the benefit back into our NGO when biz catches on really. For the moment we simply can support our life, no more. But it will improve this year.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:36am
BTW: Nigeria LOL Ask any Senegalese or Malian if he wants to make business with Nigeria.....:-)
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:43am
BTW2:
 
These are called micro-credits. That can enable a family to put up a little shop or something, but it does not really create workplaces. We have created 15 work places with our business Sunu Ataya in Thiès so far (instant tea sold on the street, like the Nescafé sellers we have here in Africa - a mobile tank with coffee to go, but we make it with traditional Thé Baro, means little glasses of Chinese tea, in fact).
 
Whenever I talk to my fellow Swiss and they complain about immigrants here, I tell them: Ok, go and create jobs there. Then people will stay at home.....because in fact they like it there.....;-)
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:46am
Ward
 
Maybe we could combine our efforts. Me in Africa and you in the Phillies. One never knows, if may open up new connections.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:53am
afronum Cameroon
 
Talking about schools, Ward....some years ago. We haven't been able to improve the school, but due to our insisting the local governor made it possible to set up a new school building paid by the gobernment because we made that public. So at least a little success there. I haven't been back since but I'm still in contact with the school director and, of course my family there. Three of the kids go to school there.
Leroy Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:01am
"Don't know about Swiss cops, but US ones have confiscated pepper spray from people."
 
Canadians too.  As they were crossing the border into Canadian, my brother-in-law reminded my sister to not say anything and let him do the talking.  The border guard asked the perfunctory questions like are you carrying, guns, knives, or pepper spray.  My sister--being the honest person that she is--lights up and pulls pepper spray out of her pocketbook and says, "You mean like this?"  That was enough for a thorough search and hours of delay.  
Ward Tipton Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:02am
The government does what it can here, but with the budget constraints in the provinces ... the daily meal allowance for each student is just at fifteen cents ... Want a copy of my book? Not sure I sent you one, but I lay out how to combine the for profit with the not-for profit ventures. Actually seems better than relinquishing everything to government ... though have to be careful about those inclusions in Africa ... well anywhere really. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:05am
Leroy
 
Here cops don't control people usually except when they stand in groups of youths at 2am at the railway station !
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:06am
Ward
 
Nope, haven't gotten it, can you send it to me by mail in PDF or so ?
Ward Tipton Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:08am
Yup
 
Will try to send it now. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:08am
Be forewarned, it is only a basic outline, but still about 125,000 words more or less. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:10am
BTW Ward
 
Back in 2005 I laid out our plans to combine profit with non-profit for an IT school in Senegal. People told me: You can't combine the two ! I said ok, how then can we get independent as an NGO if we don't have another source where funds come from without begging ? No answer. They just told me here in Switzerland: Nobody will support that. Go the traditional way: Either make profit or look for sponsors for your NGO.
 
Can you imagine that logic ?
Ward Tipton Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:15am
Nobody will support it ... especially not the UN, IMF, WB or the US ... they will fight us tooth and nail. Why do you think I am in the position I am in? The only way I could travel at all was because I was traveling with presidents ... and even then they tended to have to make a scene. 
 
Some day when we can sit and talk I will tell you what I did to really peeve them, but you are absolutely correct, otherwise you end up like the rest with seventy to ninety percent of donations going to raise more funds ... illegal here by the way. 
 
There is a way around it legally ... just so you know. Mind you, do not expect any support from the proverbial powers that be.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:15am
BTW2:
 
Despite that I sent a container with 110 Compaq deskpros from Zurich Group which were given to me for free to Senegal (I made my apprenticeship there so I had connections). Then we set up the IT school for the national police, newspapers wrote about us and we were on local TV.
 
And now, so much later, we still profit from that image and that's why I can settle in Senegal. Africans have a long memory. We've never been forgotten, and we're very grateful for that.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:19am
I ceased to exist as a legal person. That was my reward. Twenty plus nations signed a pact against our operations ... national governments ... through the good people at the UN of course ... 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:24am
Wow. You see, the problem is...for example, I knew ATT (Amadou Toumani Touré), the former president of Mali quite well due to my role in the chamber of commerce (and because my wife is Malian LOL). Same with former president of Senegal, Abdoulaye Wade. But these people are gone, and in Africa it's best NOT to make friends with presidents but with the people in government which control the finances. They will see presidents come and go but will stay in place a lot longer......
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:27am
BTW: Legal or illegal, I don't care. Africa is not the West, and if I can do something to improve people's lives, I don't give a shit if it's "legal" or not....sorry, one gets hardened when he lives in places like that. I'm sure you know.
Riley Brown Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:45am
 About "Change The System", unfortunately as the number of people who enjoy living off the work of others increases, so do their votes.
 
We have reached a point where there are more people voting to give themselves more free stuff, than there are who pay for it.  At this point in time the votes of those who want to take from the rich does exceed the votes of those who earn the money.
 
I say that based on our current tax system, where the bottom half pay NO Federal tax and most of the tax money comes from the top 1%. 
"In 2014, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid $543 billion, or 39.48 percent of all income taxes, while the bottom 90 percent paid $400 billion, or 29.12 percentof all income taxes."
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:53am
Riley
 
Do you think that an investment banker who earns 1 mio $ by clicking his mouse works more than a construction worker that works 9 hours a day on a dusty and noisy constuction site and gets 60'000 $ or so ?
 
I guess Europe is no different than the US by now. Do you think that the construction worker had the same chances in life as the investment banker ?
 
When one earns way more than the rest he is fucking obliged to pay more. One can only eat and shit three times a day, no matter how much money he gets.
 
Sorry to be so blunt LOL
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 6, 2019 - 6:13pm
Stone eater, that investment banker is earning money for someone else.  It is mostly not his money.   The 401K of that construction worker maybe part of the money handled by the investment banker so  Stone there is sweet equity involved.  When that sweet created wealth varies but my guess is that every penny can be traced back to someone's sweet.
TexasLynn Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:10pm
Stone E >> When one earns way more than the rest he is fucking obliged to pay more.
 
So have both to pay 10% of their salary... and he will.  Good enough, or is this more about envy and punishment?
Doug Plumb Added Jan 7, 2019 - 5:02am
The West is composed of economies that are highly dependent on slavery. Chinese children that work for pennies a day to make our cell phones, shoes and just about everything else create an artificial economy where work is not available for many.
Many of our problems are rooted in slavery.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 7, 2019 - 5:34am
Modern slavery is substantially worse as we fund our own enslavement, but how to wake people up to that very unpleasant fact? 
Riley Brown Added Jan 7, 2019 - 10:24am
Stone Eater, regarding your scenario contrasting a construction worker with an investment banker...  I have several observations.
 
Investment banking is hardly without risk, for every rich investor there are thousands who don't do any better than the average market investor, (likely including the construction worker's pension fun investments).  I think anyone who puts their hard earned money at risk and will certainly loose it all if they are wrong, deserves to keep the profits if they are right.  I don't care if they risked it gambling in Vegas or invested it in a company that suddenly became worth a fortune.
 
Next, about all those riches and what happens to them.  The rich generally spend their money because coffins don't have pockets.  Those who inherit fortunes usually spend and lose the fortune they inherited within 2 generations, and all that money goes back into the economy in the form of jobs. 
 
Rich people want stuff and services and usually pay though the nose to have the best. That construction worker you talked about may have a job because that rich bastard you despise wants a big house or always wants things done to it.  His wife might be employed at one of the companies the investment banker invested his money in.  The rich bastard can't enjoy his money if he doesn't spend it, and most of the super rich give tons of money to their favorite charities and set up endowments which hire people long after they are dead.  They rarely just hand out money, they usually expect something back, like services or goods that create jobs.
 
In the other hand if you tax their money away from them that puts the government in charge of that same money.  The government takes a big slice of that tax money and then redistributes it to all the people you think deserve it including all the people on generational poverty who by birth are considered to be incapable of supporting themselves.  The money is FREE, they don't need to earn it and the more they propagate the more their are to house and feed, and the bigger the government bureaucracy that takes and hands out the money needs to be.
 
I think we're better off when the rich guy spends his own money because usually he expects people to earn it.
 
 
Riley Brown Added Jan 7, 2019 - 10:39am
Texas Lynn, oh but both don't pay 10%, the bottom 45% of Americans pay no Federal taxes at all, and the ones at the top pay 35% of their income in Federal taxes.
 
Oh and then they pay even more for all sorts of stuff, just because they are not poor.  A child from a poor family goes to Georgetown University for about $8,000 a year,  but affluent families have to pay $86,000 a year for the same education, in the same school, taught by the same professors in the same classroom.  By the way that's true even if the rich kid is estranged from his parents and is supporting himself.  Most serious degrees take about 6 years to earn, which means the kid from the affluent family has to borrow $468,000 more than the poor kid to get his degree.
 
The poor family pretty much gets their medical care for free, you know that's not true for affluent families.  Most affluent families also pay taxes for public schools and also pay again for every expensive private schools.  They buy insurance that's only needed because the have lots to lose if something goes wrong, including coverage for when poor people cause loses and can't pay for them.
 
The rich are waking bags of wealth that ooze money that employes their less affluent neighbors every where they go.
TexasLynn Added Jan 7, 2019 - 11:59am
Riley >> Texas Lynn, oh but both don't pay 10%...
 
No, of course not.  That was a general suggestion, not a statement of how things are.  I'm well aware that the tax code is a mess all around.
 
It needs to be simplified for everyone (rich, middle, poor).
 
Riley >> Oh and then they pay even more for all sorts of stuff, just because they are not poor.
 
Yes.  I'll even go so far as to say that I'm OK with giving the poor breaks on tuition (it beats race).  Of course, any system such as this should be refined to take the situation of the applicant into account... not the parents.
 
Riley >> The rich are waking bags of wealth that ooze money that employes their less affluent neighbors every where they go.
 
I think we agree that society and the left seek to blame, and punish those with money.  It stems both from envy and a socialist mentality.
 
As a fiscal conservative, I am of the opinion that those who work and achieve should enjoy the fruits of their labor and risks; and they should be able to pass own those fruits to their posterity.
 
The key to "fairness" is keeping as level a playing field as possible in the free market so that everyone has an opportunity to rise according to their ability.
 
As for taxes, there are many solutions to this problem.  The rich, IMO, should pay more in total, but not in percentage.  Everybody having skin the game (paying something) is also important in holding government responsible.
 
Good observations and comments, thanks.
TexasLynn Added Jan 7, 2019 - 7:21pm
Jeff Michka >> Gee, TraitorLynn the neoconfederate...
 
Sorry Jeff, I have a line and your last comment crossed it.  It seems more and more people are deleting your comments and that's good for the flow of threads.
 
You are welcome to comment on my stuff, but keep the vulgarity to a minimum, please.
Andrew D. Added Jan 7, 2019 - 10:19pm
Although I agree with your justification, I don't agree with the conclusion.  I believe liberals are enablers but not the root of the issue.  I feel that people of color( specifically the less educated ones) are easily influenced by the victimology excuses for their economic conditions. It is my opinion that the vocal minority of far left liberals aren't representative of the reasonable left. These far leftists enable the victim mindset and are covered by the media more but they don't represent the left like white supremacists don't represent the right.  My opinion is that black youth need mentors and role models. If the inner city could provide access to effective upward bound style mentorships,  the black community could be far less disenfranchised in a single generation.  A vast majority of people are the product of their environment, change the environment and you change the people.  Excellent article.  Thank you for the insight. 
Flying Junior Added Jan 8, 2019 - 3:26am
Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day, everybody!  Blog for peace and truth.
FacePalm Added Jan 8, 2019 - 7:28am
FJ-
Hey, you can celebrate any day you want to; despite a few peccadilloes like adultery, MLK was a good man.  However, his actual b-day isn't 'til the 15th, and the actual holiday is celebrated the 21st this year.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 8, 2019 - 10:20am
Tex
 
So have both to pay 10% of their salary... and he will.  Good enough, or is this more about envy and punishment?
 
When I earn 20'000 $ a year paying 10% does hurt me a lot more than if I earn 200'000, right ? I still can eat only three times a day and sleep in one bed only at the same time....
TexasLynn Added Jan 8, 2019 - 10:22am
Andrew D >> Although I agree with your justification, I don't agree with the conclusion.
 
Fair enough.
 
Andrew D >> I believe liberals are enablers but not the root of the issue.  I feel that people of color( specifically the less educated ones) are easily influenced by the victimology excuses for their economic conditions.
 
Well, you are correct in that we disagree on some things, but that's OK.  That's what discussions are all about.
 
"Enablers" in my opinion give the one bent on destructive behavior self-permission to continue on their path.  The left in this case not only does that... but creates and dictates the path.  It is this last part that moves the left beyond enables.
 
As for as blacks easily influenced by victimology; I see that not as a trait of race but of man in general.  I would agree that education and social structure influence one's susceptibility.
 
Andrew D >> It is my opinion that the vocal minority of far-left liberals aren't representative of the reasonable left.
 
I do have a habit (as I am often reminded) of lumping all the left in one basket.  Of course, there are some worse than others... some much worse.
 
Andrew D >> These far leftists enable the victim mindset and are covered by the media more but they don't represent the left like white supremacists don't represent the right.
 
True, but for me it gets down to how much you allow that minority to drive the agenda.
 
I describe it this way.  Very few Muslims are radical and violent.  But how effective are the "peaceful" majority in setting the direction and message of that faith.  The word inconsequential comes to mind.  The world would be grateful if they would step up to the plate, but they don't.  They allow the minority (the radical and violent) to move thing along in relation to Islam.
 
The minority "reasonable" left is in the same boat.  They may be sane, but they allow the insane to drive; so most of the policy coming from the left is like the stuff we're talking about here.
 
On the right, the "white supremacists" don't drive.  They're not even in the car.  The appearance that they are even remotely consequential in our politics and policies is smoke and mirrors created by the main stream media.
 
Andrew D >> My opinion is that black youth need mentors and role models.
 
Yes!  You are exactly right.  That is one of (if not the) most important factor in turning this around.  Another word for "mentors" and "role models" might be "fathers".
 
Yet the black youth are denied these mentors by "white liberal" policies.  After generations of these missing role models, we reach this point.
 
Andrew D >> If the inner city could provide access to effective upward bound style mentorships, the black community could be far less disenfranchised in a single generation.
 
I'm back to the keyword of "fathers".  That is the mentorships that need to be encouraged.
 
Andrew D >> A vast majority of people are the product of their environment, change the environment and you change the people. 
 
Amen.  One way to change the environment is to figuratively walk away from what is bad.  That is what this post advocates.
 
Andrew D >> Excellent article.  Thank you for the insight.
 
Thank you... excellent comment.
TexasLynn Added Jan 8, 2019 - 10:22am
Flying J >> Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day, everybody!
 
As FP mentioned, you're a bit early, but same wishes right back at you. :)
 
Flying J >> Blog for peace and truth.
 
Which is the very definition of every blog I post. :)
 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
Face P >>  ...despite a few peccadilloes like adultery, MLK was a good man.
 
We all have our failings.  As I once told a disingenuous reporter from the Houston Chronicle concerning the founding fathers of Texas, "Some people (like a University of Houston professor) like to take our historical heroes and throw them in the gutter.  Some people (like me) like to place them on a pedestal.  The truth... lies somewhere in-between."
 
God bless MLK.
 
In relation to this post...
 
"The Negro cannot win if he is willing to sacrifice the futures of his children for immediate personal comfort and safety." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
 
In my post "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys", I wrote about Martin Luther King...
 
"Martin Luther King Jr - Baptist minister and civil rights activists; I admire his approach in the advancement of civil rights during the 60s that emphasized nonviolence and civil disobedience.  These I think were heavily influenced by his Christian beliefs.  His speeches are rife with Christian and biblical ideas and references.  He was a great example of how a Christian man is to handle adversity." -- TexasLynn
 
Fit the bill, FJ?
TexasLynn Added Jan 8, 2019 - 10:32am
Stone E >> When I earn 20'000 $ a year paying 10% does hurt me a lot more than if I earn 200'000, right ?
 
No.  We don't know that.  I suspect each individual is different.  It could depend on what each man intended to do with the 2K/20K respectfully.
 
An flat, equal percentage is the fair and reasonable way to go.
 
Stone E >> I still can eat only three times a day and sleep in one bed only at the same time....
 
Society (and government) is not "entitled" to more of a mans lawfully gained money just because he was industrious enough to figure out a way to make more; using his brain, his hands or his employees.
 
A lot of the excessive tax policy is driven by 1) Envy and 2) Socialist policy (big government), IMO.
 
Personally, I think everyone above the poverty level (which should be re-evaluated) should have some skin in the game as for as funding government/society.  It is a check and balance against excessive government.  The fact that we don't have
Riley Brown Added Jan 8, 2019 - 10:55am
Stone Eater, you said:
 
When I earn 20'000 $ a year paying 10% does hurt me a lot more than if I earn 200'000, right ? I still can eat only three times a day and sleep in one bed only at the same time....
 
I argue that the impact to both is similar because $20K is as significant to the guy making $200K as $2K is to the guy making $20K.   It's true that their lifestyles aren't even close to the same, but that just means Mr. $20K is buying a cheaper car and Mr. $200K is sending his kids to a less expensive private school. 
 
However right now Mr. 20K pays ZERO income taxes and Mr. 200K pays about $80K in income taxes. 
 
You also hit on a very relevant reason why Mr. $200K HAS TO give the money he makes back to all the little people, he can't eat it and he can't take it with him when he dies.  So we have a choice, we can let him spend it on fancy schools, fancy meals, big houses, nice cars, and all the people it takes to make, sell and maintain all his stuff, or we can give the money to the government and let them spend it.
 
Personally I think  the rich guys do a better job spending their own money than the government does spending the same money.  Both redistribute it, but the government does it very inefficiently and poorly.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 8, 2019 - 10:58am
Riley
 
However right now Mr. 20K pays ZERO income taxes and Mr. 200K pays about $80K in income taxes. 
 
Is that so ? Well, that's maybe a little out of proportion. So I stand corrected in that regard ;-)
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 8, 2019 - 2:48pm
Riley, your in error.  You can not take it with you in death but you can improve the situation of your heirs by bank rolling them.  That is the driving force for 99% of humans societies in history built on a class society where the government places barriers to keep the rich and powerful for generation after generation in power and thus prevent those below them in their class.   
Riley Brown Added Jan 8, 2019 - 6:55pm
Thomas, I am not in error, with the exception of using endowments like the Getty and Hurst endowments that often do employ descendants at very unspectacular pay rates, there don't seem to be any ways a super rich person can make their decedents rich for life.
 
Inherited money, even huge fortunes is usually spent within 2 generations.  It seems that those who simply inherit money usually don't have what it takes to manage it as well as the parents who did earn it.  There are a few exceptions, but very few. 
 
Within a few generations even huge fortunes are almost always returned to the little guy via generous spending habits.  Most of us have met a few decedents of super rich folks, and if your like me you've noticed the vast majority aren't usually rich enough to live without working.
Flying Junior Added Jan 9, 2019 - 3:10am
Yes.  Thank you Lynn.  I try to be about light.  I know that you do as well.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 9, 2019 - 8:47am
Riley, a person selling financial planning pointed out that world wide the wealth created in one generation is lost statistically by the fourth generation.  we can see this in some of the Robber Barons on the TV show about inheritance items.  One is about a house of the Robber Baron that is falling apart.   
 
Now Riley, look at the history of families in the monarchs of Europe that have retained wealth for centuries.   Obvious effect of class society use barriers to mobility to pass wealth down inheritance lines.
Riley Brown Added Jan 9, 2019 - 11:45am
Thomas, perhaps I do need correction to compensate for conditions in places other than America.  This forum focuses on America so that's what I had in mind when I wrote.  In America if you pass 10 million dollars down to  your 3 kids, they not only won't be rich for the rest of their lives, they will have to work real jobs for most of their lives.
 
Make that 20 million dollars and they will probably spend it in their lifetimes, heck it costs taxpayers about 3 million per government pension, and that's just to pay for their retirement.
 
In the UK I think they rather unwisely started taxing inheritances to the point where it became impossible for most children to inherit their families businesses, even if they worked at them for their entire lives.  As a result all the substantial companies were forced to sell when the parents died because the inheriting children couldn't afford to pay the taxes.  Lots of businesses that I'm sure England was proud of had to be sold by the families that built them, including Jaguar and Rolls Royce, because a bunch of idiots didn't want the inheriting children to be rich.   Now that Jaguars are made in the US and England gets NO tax from the business, I hope the are regretting that decision and seeing how short sighted it was.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 13, 2019 - 5:56pm
I didn’t initially want to comment on this post because of the title. Now I’ve read the post and I have the same reaction. The problem I have with it is its underlying assumption that an entire minority - or at least the vast majority of that minority (which isn’t an oxymoron even if it sounds like one) has no clue what the various political factions are doing. 
 
You’ll get a certain amount of agreement about liberals. And the self-sufficiency argument is something Louis Farrakhan agrees with heartily. 
 
What your missing is their assessment of the problem. And I don’t mean Sowell’s, because very little of the Black community shares his opinions. You’ll have to figure that one out before you get the answer to your post. 
 
I’m going to ask you an odd question. When the original OJ Simpson verdict was read, a lot of Black people were very happy about it. Do you have any idea why?
Ward Tipton Added Jan 13, 2019 - 6:32pm
"I’m going to ask you an odd question. When the original OJ Simpson verdict was read, a lot of Black people were very happy about it. Do you have any idea why?"
 
The entire trial was turned into a great big discourse on race from what little I saw of it, and as such, became a battle against "the man". 
 
How many people out of the general population, inclusive of all races, have any keen awareness of what is going on politically? You can pick virtually any politician from any side of the political partying aisle and give numerous examples of where they have flipped or flopped on issues "important to them" based on political expediency and "campaign contributions" and lobbying influence. The politicians are by and large, concerned with obtaining power and their personal wealth ... it has not been about the protection of the people or ensuring their freedom in a long time ... if ever. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:30pm
KosherS >> I didn’t initially want to comment on this post because of the title.
 
Sorry you had that reaction... the title is, of course, a take on what I perceive as the sanctimonious show currently airing on Netflix.
 
KosherS >> Now I’ve read the post and I have the same reaction.
 
??? That you shouldn't have commented?
 
KosherS >> What your missing is their assessment of the problem.
 
OK... I'm not sure you read through all the comments.  Did you realize that the entire post was simply a rewording of what Malcolm X said half a century ago?  (I included the link so one could compare Malcolm X's statement to my rewrite.)  So the missing of their assessment of the problem is... his.  Not that he addressed that in particular.  (Maybe that's a different post or a new discussion in the thread).
 
A black man (Malcolm X) early on assessed what the white liberals were all about.  Maybe he was right, maybe he was wrong.  His statements didn't address how blacks would assess the problems... only the motives and results of the white liberals.
 
It is fair to say that I agree with his assessment of them (white liberals).  And I think history proves him right.
 
KosherS >> When the original OJ Simpson verdict was read, a lot of Black people were very happy about it. Do you have any idea why?
 
I would agree with Ward on this one... "The entire trial was turned into a great big discourse on race and as such, became a battle against 'the man'".
 
I would add that this switch from determining objective guilt or innocence to making the trial a statement about society was INTENTIONALLY perpetuated by the defense team.  It was the only way they were going to get their murderer client off.
 
You'll have to explain to me the relevance to the points of this post concerning white liberals.
 
Thanks, as always, for the comments.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 13, 2019 - 10:41pm
The problem isn’t just the assessment of White liberals. The problem is the implied comparison with White conservatives. If the Black community knows they’re getting lip service from liberals, which is at least partially true and which the Black community is painfully aware of, why aren’t they going conservative? Why do they think conservatives are a bigger enemy? 
 
I agree with Ward’s assessment, but the LAPD made that easy by doing things like deliberately marking OJ’s sock with blood, which we know because blood doesn’t land like that, it lands with a splatter pattern, or making that stupid mistake with the evidence blanket. The LAPD at that point had an alleged history of taking what I might charitably call shortcuts with Black defendants and they finally hit one who could afford to call them on it. There were many Black people relieved to finally see the police not get away with it, having a jury say in essence “Even if the defendant is guilty, you screwed up the case so badly we can’t convict.” 
 
And what was the most common White reaction I saw after the verdict? “But he was guilty!” The concern of the community was irrelevant, the systemic abuses weren’t even worth talking about, either because they weren’t believed or, more likely, because they were viewed as unimportant and not really news. Cops will be cops. 
 
Liberals at least worry about that problem. Conservatives mainly deny its existence. And that, writ large to cover parallel concerns, is why Blacks are stuck with liberals. White liberals are absolutely not their saviors but in at least some fights are their allies. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 13, 2019 - 11:08pm
"Conservatives mainly deny its existence. "
 
I believe you mean republicans, not conservatives ... or at least not most conservatives I know, though a bunch of republicans. 
Koshersalaami Added Jan 13, 2019 - 11:18pm
I think you’re right. I have met conservatives who are not in denial about that. Well, I’ve met at least one. Republicans, not any more. They’re in denial about Trump and that takes some pretty serious ethical gymnastics. 
 
As a political force, non-Republican conservatives aren’t in a position to accomplish much at the moment. Some have given up and become Democrats, not because that’s their natural inclination but because though Democrats can be maddeningly irritating we’re basically mostly sane. Not necessarily right, but sane. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 13, 2019 - 11:37pm
I agree in part, though I must have missed the mass exodus of generally more libertarian minded individuals mass migrating to the democrat party. You are certainly correct that conservatives are certainly not in any position to accomplish anything. I gave up on the whole left-right paradigm the first time I got a glance at "the man" behind the curtain. In my personal experience, a left jackboot is no better and rarely notably worse than a right jackboot ... especially when both seek to crush freedom and liberty and to enjoy the fruits of my labors, leaving me lacking. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 14, 2019 - 10:43am
First, thanks for the back and forth between you (KosherS) and Ward.  Really good discussion on one aspect of the issue (criminal justice).  But the post and discussion go well beyond just that issue.  Education and welfare also come to mind and came up in the thread.  The education system (for example) has been completely in control of the left (and even leftist blacks) and has completely failed the black community.  Welfare policy and it's decimating of black families... the same.
 
But... following the direction you took the thread...
 
Kosher S >> The problem isn’t just the assessment of White liberals. The problem is the implied comparison with White conservatives.
 
There is certainly blame on the right for not effectively communicating or acting as it should.  But the damage done by the left goes well beyond just lip service in many areas.  Malcolm X saw this coming and identified it as the “worst enemy” of his community.  History, I proffer proved him right.
 
Kosher S >> LAPD made that easy by [being corrupt]
 
OK... here's where my skeptical nature comes into play.  If the LAPD was this corrupt and especially so in THIS [OJ} case.  Why were they not exposed by the Main Stream Media?  I mean, the MSM is definitely left, and hates law enforcement.  If there was a significant there there, I think they would have latched onto it like a pit bull.  They didn't.  Why not?
 
I definitely believe there are instances where police do what you just described (and maybe even with this case); but I doubt it's systemic.  And this is going to be the key word in my response.
 
The same goes for today with the Black Lives Matter movement.  They cry wolf way too often.  The perfect example is Michael Brown and "hands up don't shoot".  Michael Brown's death was a tragedy, but it was one created by Michael Brown.  He was a thug who physically attacked a police officer.  Then a few in the crowd invented out of thin air the "hands up don't shoot" narrative that caught on.  And the blacks and left ran with it.  When you consciously choose to pick up a lie and run with it; what do you expect to happen to your credibility going forward?
 
And here we see the likely problem with us conservatives; we look at things rationally and objectively, sanely (not emotionally).  We see ^%$# like that and draw conclusions about the other complaints.  It is the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome. 
We see legitimate instances of abuse as call them for what they are… BUT we refuse pretend all the bullshit fits the same definition.  We refuse to pretend there is a systemic problem, then there is not.  The blacks (used to being pandered) too; don’t react well to those who don’t pander.  And thus, the false perception of who is really on their side.
 
The right, approaches this objectively, rationally, and sanely; though doing so is to our detriment.  We see there are legitimate instances of abuse and say they should be dealt with on a case by case basis.  BUT looking at the assertion that there is a systemic problem.  No... there is no there, there.
 
Kosher S >> And what was the most common White reaction I saw after the verdict? “But he was guilty!”
 
Exactly my reaction.  Even if I grant that there was a problem with the LAPD.  Two wrongs, two great injustices do not make a right.  Both should have been addressed properly and legally.
 
Any other approach is just insane.
 
Kosher S >> The concern of the community was irrelevant, the systemic abuses weren’t even worth talking about, either because they weren’t believed or, more likely, because they were viewed as unimportant and not really news. Cops will be cops.
 
It is the former.  We don't believe the corruption is "systemic".  Not then and not today.
 
Given the scrutiny of the police force, and the hatred of them by the MSM... I don't see how that could not be exposed.  The conspiracy required just exceeds what can be plausibly believed.
 
KosherS >> Liberals at least worry about that problem.
 
They give lip service to it because it fits their narrative and promotes their agenda.  That's it.  Other than that, the status quo works just fine as far as they are concerned.
 
KosherS >> Conservatives mainly deny its existence.
 
Systemically? 
TexasLynn Added Jan 14, 2019 - 10:43am
KosherS >> And that, writ large to cover parallel concerns, is why Blacks are stuck with liberals.
 
Fair enough.  But I think it would be wise to look beyond just this one issue (criminal justice).
 
I do think it would be in the black’s best interest to approach this from a different angle.  Currently they associate EVERY incident as systemic racism; when not even half (far less actually) are.  By identifying everything as a wolf (racism), they do a disservice to when there is one (real racism).
 
KosherS >> White liberals are absolutely not their saviors but in at least some fights are their allies.
 
As Malcolm X observed half a century ago... not really.
 
"The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have."
 
Malcolm would have called conservatives an enemy of the Negro... just not the worst.
 
Ward T >> I believe you mean republicans, not conservatives ... or at least not most conservatives I know, though a bunch of republicans.
 
Well, I am a conservative (socially and fiscally), and NOT a republican... certainly not a libertarian.
 
I do not believe there is "systemic" racism in our police force.  There are instances of racism in all professions and institutions across the nation; and police are not immune to this.  BUT these are individual instances and should be dealt with as such.
 
So... by your definition, I'm sure you consider me in “denial”.  Objectively, given the evidence... I don't see it (systemic racism).
 
KosherS >> They’re in denial about Trump and that takes some pretty serious ethical gymnastics.
 
I'm no fan of Trump, but the “Trump is a racist” stuff is as overblown (intentionally overblown) as the systemic racism of police stuff.  This epitaph has been applied to every conservative/Republican in my lifetime.  We’re back to the “boy who cried wolf”.
 
Trump was instrumental in criminal justice reform.  Trump has pardoned blacks who were serving some unjust sentences.  How much credit did he get for either?  Not much.  How much credit did he expect?  No much.  He did it anyway.  So... I'll give the man his due when he deserves it.  He deserves it here; especially considering he knew he would still suffer from the slings and arrows of those he helped.
 
KosherS >> we’re basically mostly sane. Not necessarily right, but sane.
 
LMAO...  Nothing personal... but while "sane" may be inferred when comparing the Democrats to the "left".  It's not really an adjective that can be applied to either. IMO.
 
Ward T >> In my personal experience, a left jackboot is no better and rarely notably worse than a right jackboot ... especially when both seek to crush freedom and liberty and to enjoy the fruits of my labors, leaving me lacking.
 
On this we can agree.
 
I appreciate the discussion from both you guys... though there is obvious disagreement.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 9:39am
I don’t think the media is anywhere near as Left as you do, particularly at a management and ownership level. 
 
Maybe a more refined definition of “systemic” would be appropriate in this case. If you’re asking me if I think most police departments are dedicated to racism, absolutely not. If you’re asking me if I think racism is common in police departments and that a lack of sufficient vigilance toward this phenomenon is common in police departments, yes and, at least as importantly, I think there is a lack of sufficient vigilance among prosecutors’ offices. The judiciary is a related but separate area and that’s actually where the most clearly defined instances of racism occur because of disparities in sentencing that come down to race when every other variable is controlled for. 
 
The Michael Brown case came about against the backdrop of overall policy in the Ferguson area, many local jurisdictions, which illustrates why race relations with the police are not good there. This situation involved a Civil Rights prosecution by the Justice Department. Tax revenues do not cover all expenses for local police and judiciaries. The solution has been to fine poor minorities (the poor people in this area tend to be minorities) heavily for minor infractions. If they can’t make a court date because, for example, they can’t find child care, the fines skyrocket. So the local authorities are financing their departments by extracting money from the population least capable of affording it. (The person who brought this situation to my attention is conservative though not Republican.) 
 
Sometimes whether racism is an individual or structural phenomenon in police departments gets really blurred. A really good example of this is profiling. DWB (Driving While Black) pullovers are way too common to be random. Far more Black drivers are pulled over for drug searches than White drivers are and you might think this would be logical except for one thing: A slightly higher percentage of the White population uses illegal drugs than of the Black population. In other words, statistically valid drug profiling would lead to suspecting White drivers more than Black drivers. 
 
The Michael Brown case is probably the weakest of the nationally prominent cases - at the police level, but not at the prosecutorial level. The Ferguson DA convened a Grand Jury to attempt to talk them out of indicting. That is flat-out systemic abuse, because the reason to convene a Grand Jury is to get indictments. If you want to avoid them, don’t convene one. The same thing was done in Staten Island in the Eric Garner case, a far worse case than the Michael Brown case. 
 
In terms of these police cases, in talking with Republicans I find the mirror image of what you accuse Blacks of: The viewpoint that None of the prominent cases involved racism. I’ve been involved in enough of these arguments. If you want to know one reason why Black voters tend to vote Democratic, it’s encountering that universal denial of a problem among Republicans. I don’t get pulled over by the police for no apparent reason and I drive a lot. Black guys I talk to all have experience with this phenomenon, particularly if they drive nice cars. Hell, Trevor Noah has experienced it. Black atheletes experience it frequently while their White teammates don’t, and the answer they hear is Prove It. What proves it is an aggregate because most people don’t use slurs any more. You can’t tell them they’re delusional and expect their vote. If the attitude about these cases were prevalently “Some are, some aren’t,” there would be a case, but what I encounter personally is “None are.” The reflexive default is “It’s not racism.” If you want Black votes, start by ditching the default and approaching cases without a pre-existing assumption. 
 
In terms of Trump’s racism, I think the issue with Trump is not so much that he is a racist as that he takes cynical advantage of racism in that a lot of his constituents are racist and he gets their loyalty by being very protective of them. I very, very much doubt that he is an antisemite but he is directly responsible for a sharp rise in hate crimes, mostly involving Jewish targets. His responsibility is obvious because so many responsible for these crimes reference him personally. Also, his campaign used antisemitic sources, such as the time a Star of David was used in an anti-Hillary internet ad. At no point has he ever said: Don’t do this in my name. His low point was probably his defense of the Charlottesville Nazis. There may be bad people on both sides but there are not good people on both sides. “Good Nazi” in America is an oxymoron. 
 
 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:12am
Am I the only one that notices that the only police abuse cases that take a prominent position in the national news are those wherein the officers were virtually always in the right? 

Cases like those where 63 rounds fired into the back of the wrong vehicle, not even the same make as that of the suspect, the man shot off his porch due to "swatting" ... by a cop with an itchy finger, the murder of a 19 year old laying prone on a hotel floor shot five times .. and on and on ... these cases never make the national news ... even where the cops are acquitted where you or I would certainly be convicted. 
 
One could almost believe there was an underlying effort to divide the cops and the people and to keep them wary and distrustful, each of  the other. Almost ... 
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 11:19am
I don’t know enough about the cases that don’t make the news. Some of the cases that do make the news are pretty damning, like the case in Ohio of a father being shot to death while holding a toy gun in front of a toy gun display in a store, or the Staten Island case where an overweight guy was taken down, cuffed, and held in a chokehold for a long time (why the chokehold when the guy is both down and cuffed?) and dies as a result. There are a few others. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 16, 2019 - 11:27am
They make the news but disappear very quickly ... and rarely make national headlines if at all. That is precisely my point. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 16, 2019 - 11:28am
How many of those resulted in convictions of the officers who obviously perpetrated a crime against innocent civilians ... something you or I would rightfully be incarcerated for committing? 
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 1:40pm
Excellent question. I”m actually far more concerned about that than I am about the crimes themselves. What will perpetuate the phenomenon is no consequences. 
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 1:42pm
It will be interesting if a trash collector kills someone in the course of their job for being perceived as endangering them somehow, then as a defense uses the argument that when the police do it they get latitude because of how dangerous their job is but that trash collecting is statistically a more dangerous job, so the same latitude should apply to trash collectors. Or more.