Blaming Guns, Not Killers

It’s an interesting phenomenon that, when looking at murders, most of the time the crime is rightly blamed on the murderer. The only exception to that seems to be when it comes to firearms. When it’s learned that a gun was used in a crime, many hide their eyes, cover their ears, close their minds and just keep repeating, “We need more gun control.” In fact, an October, 2018 Rasmussen Reports survey indicates that one-third of people think access to firearms is more at fault than the killers themselves.

 

Rasmussen’s telephone and online survey of 1,000 American adults asked the question point-blank: “In crimes involving use of a gun, which is more to blame—the shooter or the availability of guns in America?” An astonishing 31 percent of people placed the blame on the inanimate object, the gun, and not the person pulling the trigger. Unsurprisingly, Democrats were much more likely than Republicans—51 percent to 13 percent—to blame the object over the person.

 

It’s worth asking: Do these same people think access to vehicles is more at fault than drivers? Are knives more at fault than stabbers? If not, why? What makes guns different?

 

Actually, I can tell you what makes guns different—a political agenda. Liberals have long been on a mission to obliterate guns, the Constitution and freedom in America. Gun control has never been about guns; it has always been about controlling people. The only difference today is that anti-gunners are openly admitting their end game. And if they must give ridiculous answers absolving human beings from any responsibility governing their own actions, well, so be it.

 

The bottom line: People who blame the gun over the killer aren’t looking for real solutions. They’re simply furthering an agenda.

Comments

Dino Manalis Added Jan 6, 2019 - 9:23am
 We need adequate security with guns, while individuals should be evaluated before any firearm purchase is permitted.
Paul Sanders Added Jan 6, 2019 - 9:36am
Marty, 
 
Great article.  As I pointed out in my article, "The Failed Premise of Gun Control", claiming that simply having "access to a gun" causes someone to commit murder is analogous to claiming that men having access to a penis causes them to commit rape.  A crude analogy, perhaps, but it is the exact same premise.
 
I believe that gun control advocates have a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature.  People don't just kill because they can or because they have access to the tool with which to do it.  Committing murder is a moral choice no matter the method chosen to do it.  Anyone who fails to understand this concept is being willfully obtuse, IMO.
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 6, 2019 - 9:53am
I agree With Koval. Guns are seen as the major sticking block to the governmental pusification of American men. Some say that it is suicidal for the gun loonies to stand against the weaponry of the American Army.
 
But a significant point overlooked is that the army is comprised of Americans who support the rights to bear arms. An additional point is that gun ownership is not limited to ideological or political affiliation. Whether Dem or GOP, Liberal or Conservative, Christians  or Atheists, fundamentalist Americans cherish their 2nd. A greater significance to gun ownership is the psychological implication. If guns are taken away, it would be the castration of Americans, leaving then vulnerable to a government riding south on the backs of American men while engaged in their long awaited deviant actions. These values: LIVE FREE OR DIE, DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR; GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH are cherished and advanced with the Second intact. 
 
Granted, Americans see that the first thing uprising, former-depressed, citizens in rogue and dictator controlled nations call for is arms. They also see that criminals do not give a damn about gun control. They will get their shit to murder, rape, and rob decent  unarmed citizens.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:02am
Marty
 
When a society offers fair life conditions. enough jobs and some social security, the question of arms becomes obsolete. Then, mental illnesses are reduced, agression is less - it simply means that people have less stress which often causes them to do things they later regret.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:06am
BTW: I think that a mentally sane person has the right to have arms - question is if he really needs it.  The argument I often hear from US citizens is "we have to have arms to protect us from government". Now, WHO is government ? Silicone Valley or the president ? Wall Street, Goldman-Sachs or your local governor ? Both ! And how the hell do you want to fight these with a gun in your home when you get a SWAT team on your doorstep ?
 
Well.....
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 6, 2019 - 10:44am
So I guess we blame the gas chambers for the Nazi Holocaust.  And Machetes for the Rwanda genocide.   It seems London want to blame butter knifes for murders.   Airplanes for the collapse of sky scrapers fill with people. And Finally how about cars and trucks for mass murder on side walks and pedestrian malls.   Make logical sense to me that something outside of our control is commanding these objects to kill people.
opher goodwin Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:39am
Arm an angry man with a fist and someone gets a black eye and a split lip, arm him with a baseball bat and someone gets a split head, arm him with a knife and a few people get slashed and even killed, arm him with a gun and you have a massacre.
opher goodwin Added Jan 6, 2019 - 11:42am
Unbelievable that Americans still believe they need to arm themselves against the people they vote into power when they can simply vote them out in a few years. Even more incredible is the idea that an armed rabble of citizens could ever be a threat to an organised army with tanks backed up by missiles and fighter planes.
Incredible and highly stupid.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 6, 2019 - 12:10pm
Americans still believe they need to arm themselves against the people they vote into power when they can simply vote them out in a few years
 
They probably know that the ones who come after are the same assholes as the ones before. And when you can vote for 2 assholes only, which one do you prefer ? ;-)
Tamara Wilhite Added Jan 6, 2019 - 1:04pm
England essentially banned privately owned guns, and knife crime went up. They're trying to collect knives, and acid attacks are on the rise. Banning weapons doesn't prevent bad people from finding ways to attack those they don't like or want to rob.
 
Paul Sanders Added Jan 6, 2019 - 2:45pm
Stone-Eater,
 
The "government" is the armed to the teeth alphabet agencies.  Ask yourself why the Social Security Administration needs a billion rounds of ammunition.
 
Dino,
 
"while individuals should be evaluated before any firearm purchase is permitted."
 
Where is THAT in the Bill of Rights?  Are you willing to apply the same standard to the purchase of knives, crossbows, or other potentially deadly weapons?   Why is it that you pretend nobody ever murders anyone other than with a gun?  Remember, the claim that "easy access to guns" is what "causes" someone to murder?  By the same logic, wouldn't "easy access to a crossbow" also cause someone to commit murder?  You can't have it both ways, my friend.
 
Oh, and please don't use the "frequency" argument or the "number of murders at a time" argument, either.  The individual categories of knives and cutting instruments, blunt objects, and hands and feet are all weapons used to commit murders far more than AR-15 rifles which gun control advocates are always screaming to ban.  So, if you are going to use the "frequency" or "number of deaths" argument, you should be arguing to ban weapons in those categories before AR-15's.
Marty Koval Added Jan 6, 2019 - 7:08pm
opher goodwin:
 
I took a quick snapshot of the violence and killings that are going on in some of the European countries in 2016, and it looks to me they have the same issue as America. Some of the murder tools are the same and some are not.
 
On April 2, 2016, a shooting broke out in the northern neighborhood of Bassens after what police suspect was a dispute amongst gang members. The gunfire left three dead and three injured, in Marseille, France.
 
On April 22, 2016, a group of six men wearing masks and carrying machine guns and pistols opened fire on a group of people in Naples, Italy, killing two and injuring 3 people.
 
On May 22, 2016, a 27-year-old man attending an annual outdoor concert and BBQ hosted by "The Lords," a local motorcycle club in a small market town near the Liechtenstein border, got into a heated argument with his girlfriend in a parking lot. He retrieved a rifle (or some other "long gun") from his vehicle, then entered the concert grounds and opened fire seemingly randomly, killing two men and injuring 11 more, in Nenzig, Austria.
 
On June 23, 2016, a man walked up to a man believed to be Phanos Kalopsidiotis, a local businessman, at the full, touristy Cicero restaurant, in Ayia Napa, Cyprus and killed three people and injuring two.
 
On July 15, 2016 An attacker killed at least 84 people by driving a 25-ton truck at high speed into crowds watching Bastille Day fireworks in the French Riviera city of Nice.
 
On July 22, 2016, David Ali Sonboly, a German-Iranian local, opened fire on a group of people near the McDonald's in the Olympia shopping mall with a 9 mm Glock 17 pistol in Munich, Germany. Ten people, including the perpetrator, were killed and 36 others were injured
 
On November 13, 2016, Islamic State militants killed 130 people in Paris, France, using guns and bombs.
 
Was it the gun that killed the 10 people in Munich, Germany or the person who pulled the trigger?
 
Was it the 25-ton truck the killed 84 people, or the truck driver? The murder weapon in this situations did not start by itself and drive down the street on its own.
 
Did the bombs that killed a portion of the 130 people, explod on their own?
 
It looks to me that Europe has the same issues as America. Violence and killing of people is due to the evil and harden heart of a person. The only way we can completely stop mankind from killing others , is banning mankind from this earth. Mankind is the problem, not the weapon.
Paul Sanders Added Jan 6, 2019 - 7:25pm
Another great response, Marty.  I am convinced that some people simply refuse to accept the facts, either because they are terrified of firearms or have been brainwashed that they are evil in and of themselves.
Marty Koval Added Jan 6, 2019 - 8:21pm
Paul:
 
In order to disarm the country, the left's adherents must be tricked into believing that guns and gun ownership are irrevocably evil, and simultaneously that they and the policies they endorse have nothing to do with the "gun violence" they selectively decry.
 
In order for leftists to succeed, lawful gun-owners must be tricked into going along with this illusion.  Unfortunately for the left, people who are serious enough to decide to accept the responsibility of careful stewardship of firearms are not stupid enough to ignore that we are living in a cesspool entirely of the left's making.  Not surprisingly, mature, responsible gun-owners have declined the left's invitation to be caricatured and smeared as the scapegoats for where liberalism has taken us as a culture.  As serious people, gun owners don't have much capacity for irrational, emotionally unhinged accusers pointing their fingers at those who not only did not cultivate the environment that has bred mass shooters, but also do not provide such people from their own ranks.  The phenomena of unhinged "mass shooters" and the predictably vulnerable environments where they carry out their evil are unique byproducts of liberalism and its failures.
 
Generally speaking, law-abiding gun-owners are of a different time and culture.  They are anachronistic.  To lawfully own a firearm is a commitment to timeless principles of maturity, personal responsibility, individual freedom, and civic awareness.  It is a trust, a right possessed by free people who exercise their freedom carefully and mindfully.  It is not a masculine exercise, as men and women exemplify these qualities equally in their lawful ownership of firearms.  It is rather a uniquely American exercise, which is why the left fully loathes it.  When liberal commentators spontaneously declare themselves gun-owners for effect, it is unlikely that they are telling the truth, because the philosophical underpinnings of American gun ownership are repugnant to them.  In everything else they do, they shun and disclaim the America of individualism, honor and integrity.  They show no other willingness in their words or actions to reject their liberal brethren so totally as to own what their paganism declares an object possessed of evil powers.
 
As true Americans, law-abiding gun-owners reject the illogic, dishonesty, and corruption that animate every aspect of liberal politics and social structure.  They loathe the culture that celebrates intolerance and bullying of opposing views, indeed which goes so far as to turn a blind eye to physical violence when it is carried out by leftist assailants against Americans to coerce conformity and acceptance of poisonous ideologies.  They reject the culture that both creates victimhood and then encourages the rage it causes, so that those who see themselves as victims feel personally and socially justified in doing harm to people who have done them no harm whatsoever.  Truth is irrelevant; liberals look outward.  Their enemy is always to blame.

Paul Sanders Added Jan 6, 2019 - 8:41pm
"To lawfully own a firearm is a commitment to timeless principles of maturity, personal responsibility, individual freedom, and civic awareness.  It is a trust, a right possessed by free people who exercise their freedom carefully and mindfully."
 
Beautifully stated, Marty!  Not to minimize your entire fantastic post, of course.
 
I might add that personal responsibility does not seem to exist in a liberal's world.  They simply can't comprehend those principles you named.
 
Quite frankly, we are a threat to them because we can't be controlled.  The very act of owning firearms portrays the mindset of individuality and self reliance, concepts that fly in the face of reliance on daddy government, which has become a god unto itself in a liberal's view.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 6, 2019 - 9:04pm
Stone-eater, history is a bitch and has answered this question on why<<Americans still believe they need to arm themselves against the people they vote into power when they can simply vote them out in a few years>>  Pick a century and any one. I bent you can not find all the governments were benevolent for the century.
opher goodwin Added Jan 7, 2019 - 4:46am
Yes Marty - we have our problems with violence. Thankfully they are not on the same scale as the States because we don't arm all our nutcases and disturbed individuals. It is much harder to get guns and we lock them up for owning them without a licence. It makes for a safer society.
opher goodwin Added Jan 7, 2019 - 4:49am
Stone - yes I know it is usually a choice between the lesser of two evils but the principle is the same. The elected government is not an enemy that you have to arm yourself against. We can bitch about them but we can kick them out. The idea of armed insurrection is laughable.
Paul Sanders Added Jan 7, 2019 - 7:00am
opher,
 
You missed Marty's point entirely.  People don't just commit violence because they have guns.  To claim that (wherever you live) has less of a problem with violence is because you have strict gun control is disingenuous at best, a lie at worst.
 
To put it in perspective, we have well over 300,000,000 firearms in this country owned by over 100,000,000 people, and the number of homicides by firearms are around 11,000 per year.  If you do the math, that equates to 0.004% of homicides per firearm.  It is statistically insignificant.  If "access to guns" was truly the CAUSE of violence, we would literally have blood running in the streets.
 
 
opher goodwin Added Jan 7, 2019 - 7:55am
No Paul - I did not miss the point at all.
A violent man with a fist is not going to kill anyone. Give him a knife and he might. Give him a gun and he'll kill lots.
There are always violent disturbed individuals. If you arm them you are asking for trouble.
opher goodwin Added Jan 7, 2019 - 7:59am
Tamara - firstly - the rise in knife crime is a direct result of the Tory austerity programme. We've had a decade of cuts to education, police, mental health and youth services.
There are far less police, more crime, more gangs and more violence. Couple that with the hate created by Brexit and we have a problem.
There is no correlation with guns and knives. 
Given a choice of being confronted with a violent person with a knife and one with a gun I'd take the knife any day.
Our murder rate is well down on that in the States. I've lived there, seen gun violence and wouldn't want my kids growing up there.
Marty Koval Added Jan 7, 2019 - 8:30am
Opher:
 
Your statement that a violent man with a fist is not going to kill anyone is incorrect. There are a number of murders each year that are cause by someone using their hands or fist only. People trained in the military and the martial arts are proficient in doing this. Even a non trained person during a moment of rage and anger can kill with their hands and fist.
 
The population in America is 327 million. That means there are approximately 659 million potentially deadly fist and hands that must be controlled by the government so no one gets killed. If I used the logic of the gun grabbers, then we need to band all hands and fist, because they are deadly weapons.
 
opher goodwin Added Jan 7, 2019 - 9:12am
Marty - that is true. Faced with an angry, disturbed unarmed person and one with a gun I know which one I'd prefer to take my chances with.
I think you know you are getting a bit silly. Hands are not in the same category as guns. 
Luther Wu Added Jan 7, 2019 - 10:10am
Marty said "Opher: 
Your statement that a violent man with a fist is not going to kill anyone is incorrect. There are a number of murders each year that are cause by someone using their hands or fist only."
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That is a true statement and is backed up by FBI crime statistics.
More than twice as many people are murdered in the US each year by means of fists and feet than are killed with rifles of all types.
 Additionally, more murders are committed with "hammers and clubs", than with rifles. One might suppose that a baseball bat could be called a club.
Knives reach their own heights as murder weapons, being used 5- 8 times more frequently each year as murder weapons, than rifles.
 
I've obviously not mentioned murders by handguns and shotguns, but that's a discussion for another post.
 
Paul Sanders Added Jan 7, 2019 - 10:35am
Luther,
 
Spot on the money.  opher and his gun control advocate friends simply refuse to accept the facts.
 
opher,
 
The problem with your argument is that you have accepted violence.  You are essentially making the case that violence is unavoidable, so let's just "make it difficult" to kill people.  By extension of your "logic", we need to figure out the most "difficult" method of committing murder, legislate very other method known to man to do so, and we have now made it as "difficult" as possible to commit murder.
 
You are ignoring the root problem, which is the behavior.  Trying to legislate the method instead of solving the root problem is an exercise in futility.  You have convinced yourself that someone determined to commit violence will be deterred from doing so by simply removing firearms from the equation.  To believe such nonsense is indicative of a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, ingenuity, and determination of someone committed to violence.  If you are going to attempt to prevent violence by legislating the method, you are on a fool's errand unless you legislate ALL methods of violence out of existence.  
 
Man has been killing each other since the beginning of time, long before the invention of firearms.  
 
You argument falls flat on its face with this:
 
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ancient-brutal-massacre-may-be-earliest-evidence-war-180957884/
 
 
Luther Wu Added Jan 7, 2019 - 11:46am
Paul said: "To put it in perspective, we have well over 300,000,000 firearms in this country owned by over 100,000,000 people, and the number of homicides by firearms are around 11,000 per year.  If you do the math, that equates to 0.004% of homicides per firearm."
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Thanks, Paul.
When one dives deeper into the gun homicide statistics, then the 11,000 quoted, drops to less than 5,500 actual murders, with the rest of those deaths as result of (justifiable?) action by police and citizens, against criminal activity. Go a bit deeper and find that ~25% of those homicides occur in just 4 US cities, all controlled by the political Left and with restrictions against gun ownership by civilians.
 
At last count, there were around 324,000,000 people in the US.
The percentage of gun homicides in the US, per capita, becomes an even smaller figure: 5,500/ 324,000,000, or less than .002%.
 
It becomes more than apparent, that to really make a dent in gun homicides, Lefty politicians pushing gun control, should be banned.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 7, 2019 - 12:25pm
Great article, Marty, and great comments from some of the conservatives.  I would add that every single mass shooting since Columbine has had the shooter have one  or more of the following 3 factors:
 
1) Psychotropic drugs
2) Pornography use (Also prevalent in child molesters, rapists, women abusers, and serial killers)
3) Islam
 
There are no exceptions.  Problem is the media is studiously trying not to see these factors because the media is in bed with Islam, the porn industry, and the psychotropic drug industry.
Marty Koval Added Jan 7, 2019 - 1:34pm
Ryan Messano:
 
Many people always want to blame the tool for murders. The tool being a gun, knife, fist, truck, explosives, etc. do not kill and injure on their own. There is something in that person's heart and mind that triggers them to do evil.
 
A lot of it is contributed to the following, which you have mentioned some, which I will elaborate on:
 
Psychotropic drugs both legal and illegal - Many of these killing are done by gangs and against other gangs to protect their turf.  Other normal sane people take these drugs and go out and do evil things, because the drugs take over their minds
 
Pornography degrades both male and female and they degrades their senses about what is moral and immoral. Many men look at the woman as being nothing more than a throw away sex toy that has no value. Pornography leads to a depraved mind, that will go out and do further evil things like murder. The pimps trying to protect their turf, will kill other pimps trying to take over their turf or prostitute.
 
Islam says they are a religion of peace and the vast majority of the people are.  At the same time, the Quran contains over 100 passages that call Muslims to take up arms against unbelievers in the name of Allah. You see this going on not only in the Middle East, but in Europe where Islam has been spreading.
 
Violent movies, TV shows and video games have become so common that many people believe what they see on them is normal behavior. Some people end up playing out what they see from these sources, thinking it is normal and sane behavior.
 
Single family homes, particularly the ones that does not have a father in them. In some of these homes, children are not taught proper civil and moral behavior. They learn from other people outside the home whom themselves are living a life of drugs, alcohol, crime and prostitution.  
 
 
opher goodwin Added Jan 8, 2019 - 8:28am
Paul - I have read your reply a couple of times and find it a contradiction.
I accept that mankind is a vicious, violent species. We love cruelty, violence and killing (re- blood sports, boxing, bull baiting, accident behaviour, films, hunting, war...…….).
Most of us do not go around being violent.
We can (and are) making society and people less violent through education, laws, upbringing and a civilised ethos (zeitgeist). We have got much better.
Regardless - there are always a minority of disturbed individuals who are violent and give vent to that violence - for a number of reasons. If they haven't got guns they cannot kill a lot of people.
It is extremely rare for us to have massacres over in the UK because we do not allow our disturbed citizens to own guns. They have to go through a stringent process to own a gun which includes a doctors certificate and checks from a number of professionals. That means that on the rare occasions when we have massacres either an emotional event has triggered a change in an individual or the guns were obtained illegally (with difficulty).
In the States there are regular massacres with multiple killings.
Violent people with knives or bats are nowhere near as big a danger as a nutcase with a gun. That should be obvious.
Paul Sanders Added Jan 8, 2019 - 9:14am
opher,
 
"Violent people with knives or bats are nowhere near as big a danger as a nutcase with a gun. That should be obvious."
 
You are making an illogical assumption based on the flawed idea that if a gun is not available, the "disturbed individual" will not use an even deadlier method.  I already made this point quite clearly.  You are ignoring the intuitiveness of mankind to commit violence by any one of many creative methods.  
 
"If they haven't got guns they cannot kill a lot of people."
 
That is patently false.  Why do you insist on being intellectually dishonest?  Marty already posted an extensive list of massacres committed by methods other than firearms which you have apparently decided to just ignore, as well as the link that I posted.
 
"Paul - I have read your reply a couple of times and find it a contradiction."
 
If anything, YOU are the one who is contradicting yourself:
 
"I accept that mankind is a vicious, violent species. We love cruelty, violence and killing (re- blood sports, boxing, bull baiting, accident behaviour, films, hunting, war...…….)."
 
Then, you turn right around and say:

"Most of us do not go around being violent."
 
I don't think one could make two more contradictory statements.  And BTW, I notice you didn't specifically state how my post was a contradiction.
Steel Breeze Added Jan 8, 2019 - 9:56am
yup,if we had banned guns then them folks with Jim Jones.Boston marathon,Oklahoma,etc,etc,....would still be with us,,,,right Opher?.........sheesh...
Paul Sanders Added Jan 8, 2019 - 10:46am
Steel Breeze,
 
I like the sarcasm.
 
It is difficult to fathom the cognitive dissonance of people who think we can deter violence by "making it difficult."
 
Tamara Wilhite Added Jan 8, 2019 - 1:50pm
opher goodwin Crime rates in the UK are skewed down by the fact that police cover up crime. They ignored Muslim rape gangs for years and punished victims to protect Muslims and Islam's image. For example, a 13 year old rape victim's report was classified as a prostitute to avoid having to deal with Pakistani rape gangs.
 
That a true rape culture is raping white and Sikh children and then protected by the government will generate legitimate hatred against it - and hatred of the government that cares more about the image of a rape culture as good than the children of its own citizens.

Why Did British Police Ignore Muslim Gangs Abusing 1,400 Rotherham Children? Political Correctness
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#3977812f5a7c

Sexual exploitation of British Sikh girls by grooming gangs has been 'recklessly ignored' by police due to 'political correctness', claims report
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6428197/Sexual-exploitation-British-Sikh-girls-grooming-gangs-ignored-claims-report.html
Marty Koval Added Jan 8, 2019 - 7:05pm
opher Goodwin:
 
Records of homicides before 1500 or so for most areas of Europe no longer exist, and estimates of homicide rates before the Renaissance are based on existing records of murder trials that resulted in convictions. Naturally enough, the arrest and convictions percentages seldom survive, so there is “a whole lot of guessing going on” when attempts are made to determine ancient homicide rates.
 
England is one of the few exceptions to the lack of records. Wide areas of England have excellent and very complete records going back at least to the Domesday Book, and in some cases earlier than the Book’s 1087 date. Those records confirm that the murder rate was very high, in most cases greater than 50 per 100,000 population, and in some cases higher than 200 per 100,000 population.
 
Before 1500, the following graphic is based on surviving records of murder trials, and on records of murder after 1500. Since the table covers a continent, with many countries and widely varying conditions and murder rates, the blue represents the minimum murder rate for a given year, the red the maximum murder rate for the year. Many of the peaks are associated with some identifiable event; the peak around 1060 marking famine and political unrest in Northern Europe at that time.
 
Guns became cheap enough for wealthy peasants to own in the late 1300’s, and cheap enough for most peasants to own by 1500. The decline in murder rates as guns became more common is a dramatic one:
 
Obviously, as guns became more common in Europe, murder and violent crime rates declined. By the 1840’s more than half of European families had at least one “fusil” at home, and murder declined from the hundreds per 100,000 population to a fraction of a murder per 100,000 population.
 
So we might as wall say “History proves more guns result in less crime.” Because it does.
opher goodwin Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:32am
Marty - you cannot really be comparing the old days of lawlessness with today?
Back then there were people armed to the teeth, brigands, robbers and cutthroats galore with daggers and swords. They were violent times.
That's like comparing the Wild West with the present day.
Police forces and courts have done we'll keeping on top of crime. We live in civilised times now.
FacePalm Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:45am
To those who say that Americans with firearms are no match for police or US military, i'd say you're right.
However, the word "firearms" does not appear in the Constitution - just "arms."
 
Arms can be any number of things, from microwave burst transmissions that would take out a cop's electronics(or explode his head) to lasers which can cut apart any armored vehicle to rail guns which fire projectiles at near-light speed, thus penetrating even engine blocks - Americans should have equal or BETTER arms than those who might attempt to enforce any kind of tyranny over them.
 
Actually, EVERY Citizen of EVERY country should be better-armed than the police or military; that way, in the event of an emergency requiring civilians to fight in an army, these would need neither to be armed nor trained, having trained themselves.
 
Here's the real reason behind the gun control movement in America:
 
'Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.' 
-Sarah Brady, Chairman of Handgun Control to Senator Howard Metzanbaum
'The National Educator', January 1994 Page 3
 
One thing to note: the NRA teaches not only gun safety, but responsibility; guess how many mass shooters have been NRA members?  Yep, none.
 
The "well-regulated militia" phrase has been abused, too, making people think that government was to "regulate" them; in point of fact, at that time in history "regulate" meant only "well-trained" in how to load, fire, and perform various military maneuvers...including hand-to-hand combat in the event of being overrun before reloading could take place.  Here's what George Mason had to say about the militia:
 
"Who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...?  I ask, who are the militia?  They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
 -- George Mason(1725-1792), drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, ally of James Madison and George Washington.
Source: in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution, June 16, 1788, in Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Jonathan Elliot, ed., v.3 p.425 (Philadelphia, 1836)
(now, however, the "public officers" are many and well-armed; what conceivable reason could there be for arming agents of the Dept. of Education or the Department of Energy?  Yet, they are.  Why?)
 
And here's what an anonymous Founder had to say about the militia:
"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? It is feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. ...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
--A Pennsylvanian, The Pennsylvania Gazette, 20 February 1788
(it was later revealed that the author of the above was Tench Coxe, an interesting character who quit the Pa. militia in 1776, joined the loyalists and fought for the British in 1777, was caught, convicted, and paroled, whereupon he joined the patriot cause.)
 
Marty Koval Added Jan 9, 2019 - 12:22pm
opher goodwin:
 
Most of the inner large cities of America, the ones that have been controlled for decades by liberal politicians, are war zones. The gangs in those cities are daily fighting and killing people to protect their turf. These cities are experiencing  lawlessness, that is worse than the wild west days because of the illegal drugs and prostitution.
 
The United Kingdom has the same issue with street gangs, who are concentrated around the cities of London, Manchester and Liverpool and regionally across the West Midlands region. My understanding is that 65% of the murders in the United Kingdom are by these gangs. For the people who live in these cities with gangs, it is obvious they are experiencing the same lawlessness of the so called wild west days. Like the gangs in America, they are involved in illegal drugs and prostitution and will kill anyone who gets in their way.
 
Gang members throughout the world have one common attribute. They are evil to the inner core and will torture and kill anyone who gets in their way.
 
These gang members in America cause 75% of the murders. I would not be surprised that this is a similar statistic in the United Kingdom.
 
Rusty Smith Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:04pm
I would be a lot more inclined to support the anti gun folks if getting rid of them saved lives.  Unfortunately when guns are taken away homicides and even suicides do not stop, they seem to continue at about the same rate.
 
What does change is the weapons criminals use and who they choose to victimize.  When guns aren't available more small, old and otherwise less defenseless people tend to be targeted.  Criminals aren't stupid, they want easy victims.
Paul Sanders Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:49pm
Rusty,
 
I would submit that in the absence of firearms, people with evil intent may very well choose even deadlier methods.
 
"Criminals aren't stupid, they want easy victims."
 
I find it amusing when people try to make the case that guns "make it easy to kill."  The other side of the equation is, they also make it easier to defend. 
 
Gun control only works like advocates propose if EVERYONE is disarmed and NOBODY has guns.
 
The dirty little secret is, they know that but can't say it because they know it would never pass constitutional muster.  It is a non-starter so they try to chip away at the edges in every way they can imagine, and then scream when it doesn't work, "See!  Gun control isn't working so we need more!"  Then, out of the other side of their mouths, they claim that gun control works if we just had some.
 
Luther Wu Added Jan 9, 2019 - 7:03pm
Guns are used for self- defense in the United States, far more often in than in the commission of crimes.
The Center for Disease Control undertook a survey which found that defensive use of firearms occurred an average of 2.46 Million times per year, for each of the years studied.
The CDC report was commissioned by the Obama administration, but the findings remained buried and unpublished, until recently.
The findings essentially confirmed results of an earlier study, performed in the 90s, by a Florida State University criminologist, which found 2.2 Million uses, annually.
 
Marty Koval Added Jan 9, 2019 - 9:23pm
Luther Wu:
 
You are correct with your statement on the number of self defense situations where a gun was used by the person being attacked or seriously threatened. The gun grabbers ignore these statistics because it goes against their narrative.
FacePalm Added Jan 9, 2019 - 9:58pm
Exactly, Marty-
Neither do most mainstream broadcast media dare to publicize instances of successful defenses of life, liberty, or property by the lawful, defensive use of firearms - for the exact same reason.  Oh, they'll publicize to the rafters and the skies above about some nutbar who murders others with firearms, then broadcast LOTS of stories about 'needing more gun control,' but nary a peep about the other side.
 
As noted earlier, those who wish to complete the transition from the USA to the USSA need Americans to be totally disarmed, first.  For Americans to be CONFIRMED in their beliefs that arms in the hands of the righteous preserves life, liberty, and property does not fit the puzzle they wish Americans to be confused by.
opher goodwin Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:14am
Yes Marty - I agree. Gangs are the big problem. They need dealing with. The drugs and prostitution are the cause.
I suggest we legalise drugs and prostitution and don't arm the gangs.
Marty Koval Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:28am
opher goodwin:
 
Legalizing hard drugs is not the answer. Opioids in particular are powerful painkillers and are a legal prescription painkiller. They include are not limited to: Codeine, Fentynal, Hydrocodone, Hydromorphone HCL, Meperidine, Morphine, Oxycodone, Oxycontin and Oxycodone.
 
The black market for drugs will always exist for people who do not have a prescription to purchase the drug legally or are using more than their prescription prescribes because they have become addicted .
 
The opioid crisis in America takes lives on a historic scale, it’s time to kill a bad idea legalizing more hard drugs. Say no to legalizing hard drugs is the right answer.
 
Marty Koval Added Jan 11, 2019 - 2:22pm
Opes:
 
Your assessment that the psychiatric/psychological policies for handling the (potentially) violent mentally ill people is broken is correct.
 
For example, on November 8, 2018, former Marine Ian David Long killed twelve people at the Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks, California. As often occurs, a firearm was used by a person with history of obvious mental instability who was known to police authorities and mental health consultants. Ian Long was thought not to be an immediate threat to self or others and was apparently not seen in followed-up sessions.
 
The most important aspect of preventing gun violence is making as sure as reasonably possible that psychotic, significantly mentally ill, intoxicated, and mentally unstable persons not have immediate access to guns and get prompt psychiatric attention and treatment.