There was/is no way for Trump to do the things he promised

Do not give in to tantrum-throwing hostage-takers, Dems. This is going to have to hurt enough so Mr and Mrs John Q Trumpvoter will finally see that Trump is a bad president who never had any intention of putting the country ahead of himself. When a citizen takes that oath on inauguration day, they pledge to put the country first. Shutting down the govt is not putting the country first.

 

That's what we need, a guy in the WH who's looking out for the good of this nation before anything else, his wealth, his recognitions, his party, his anything. We need the guy in the WH making decisions to benefit the nation, not himself. Do not bargain on this Dems or you're over as a party... Leave er shut until the next election cycle, is my advice. It'll be fixed then or we'll be no longer one nation.

 

There was no way and there is no way for Trump to do the things he promised he would do as president. There never will be a way. People who didn't vote for Trump voted for other candidates because they knew enough about how government works to know Trump couldn't do what he and his Russian propagandistic supporters touted him as able to do.

 

And we're seeing the results of his "Mexico will pay for the wall" campaign promise: the entire government shut down over something that was never agreed to, that is the US taxpayer dime.paying for the wall Trump has always said Mexico will pay for. 

Comments

Ken Added Jan 9, 2019 - 5:08pm
 a whole lot of leftist talking points where the fact simply don't back you up.  Trump has actually kept most of his promises to date
 
https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/trump-releases-list-of-60-promises-kept-media-ignores
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/18/while-trumps-critics-keep-talking-our-president-fulfilling-his-promises-christopher-buskirk-column/1041117001/
 
I see you took away the talking points from Ma and Pa Schumer last night with "hostage taking" and "temper tantrums".  The government has been shut down 20 times since 1975.  Everyone who is on leave right now will get back pay.  Many of them are basically on paid vacation in various resort locales.
 
Since Trump has become president it is estimated he has lost close to 2 BILLION dollars in net worth
 
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/trump-forbes-400-spot-tumbles-as-net-worth-declines.html
 
Please show what decisions in the White House Trump has made that benefit himself and not the country as a whole?
 
Are you not aware that Female, Black, Hispanic, Asian unemployment rates are all at record lows?  More people are working than ever before?
 
Salaries have been rising since the tax cuts (although the FED has increased interest rates masking much of the money back in people's pockets).
 
I could keep going on, but you get the point.  There is no bite in your bark because the facts simply don't back up your leftist visceral hatred of Trump because he isn't the progressive queen you expected.
 
Suck it up Buttercup.
Bill H. Added Jan 9, 2019 - 5:39pm
 
Trump is really not a President at all. He is a wanna-be Dictator who would just love to have the power that his hero Dictators around the world have.
Now he is going to resort to the "National Emergency" stance in his attempt to gain even more power. I suspect the next step will be Martial Law, and then he will have achieved his true goal, full control of just about everything, and a big smile on Putin's face, because most of us might have an idea what happens after that. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:08pm
Where is the beef!!!!  Citation of actual profit Trump or his family has made outside of what would or could be expected from a private corporation similar to Trump's.  Please provide FACTS.  Otherwise your blowing gas out your ass.  I want measurements in money, dollars. 
 
If Trump has broke laws the facts provided to a grand jury or the charging document provided to a court that approved it.  FACTS.   
 
This is the FIRST SPECIAL COUNSEL THAT WAS NOT GIVEN OR PRODUCT A LIST OF THE LAWS THAT ARE ALLEGED BROKEN BY THE PRESIDENT.  This investigation is the first that is specified the person to be investigated and the job of the special counsel is to find if laws were broken.  This is the actions of a police state, of a Communist government.
 
So what is 'the good of the nation' who shall determine this?  The Constitution defines a process to elect people that are given this responsibility, and the authority each are given.  The leading individual is the president.  So in November 2016 the voters through the election of electoral college representatives chose Donald J. Trump. by the rules their State determine. 
 
The two major candidate presented their view of what is good for the nation.   Obama was elected after he presented his view of what is good for the nation.  Now Trump also did the same thing.  Obama had ACA on his list that he achieve.  Trump's primary vision was security of the nation and this include a 'wall' at the border between Mexico and the USA.  Without a secure border you do not have a nation.  May I remind you that Congress since 1980's have passed bills by bipartisan participation calling for border security and including 'wall or fence.'   Trump as a builder is use to actually built what he says he will build. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:22pm
Another leftist mindless drone.  Where do you insane people get the energy to pursue your nonsensical path?  It's almost as if China has some of it's 1.4 billion people, learning English, and commenting on American blogs.  These anti-Trump sentiments couldn't be any different if China wrote them.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:31pm
Clinton 1996  passed the strictest immigration bill in modern time with 307 house votes, a voice vote in the Senate, and Clinton signed it, bipartisan.  About a decade ago Schumer, Pelosi and then Senator Obama endorsed a border fence law.  Video of all three of them have made fox news and I am sure available on youtube.   We know that the border wall was a campaign promise that lifted him to the center of the GOP podium during the debates.   So he is now acting on that promise,  That vision the votes said was  'the good of the nation'.
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 9, 2019 - 8:46pm
Hey there @Ken, did Trump or did not Trump repeatedly, personally state the wall would be paid for by Mexico?
 
I think I know, but do you?
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 9, 2019 - 8:48pm
Hi @Thomas Sutrina 1996 is correct me if I'm wrong something like 23 years ago? The political realityies on the ground have changed over that period of time, don't tell me you're surprised...
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 9, 2019 - 8:51pm
Hi @ Ryan Messano , that energy comes from our spouse-dogs who service our every whim.
What was your point exactly, vis-a-vis the wall?
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 9, 2019 - 8:54pm
Bill H. 
 
Dude.....
 
If I was gay and you were gay, I would be gay for you.
 
But I'm not.
 
Damnit!
 
I'm following you . But I'm not stalking you.
FacePalm Added Jan 9, 2019 - 10:13pm
SWU-
Do you think there's only one way to skin a cat?
Trump got NAFTA re-negotiated into the USMCA, and as such, drastically reduced the trade deficit - which already is enough to pay for the wall.  A few more years, and the rectified balance will have paid for the entire thing many times over.
 
He also could levy a tax on everyone who attempts to send money to Mexico, as well - after all, something like 30% of their entire economy is based upon support sent from America back to families remaining behind, isn't it?
 
And there are other ways...like terminating US foreign aid...
 
But wait and see; the Democrats will either relent and negotiate, or Trump will declare a State of Emergency, and exercise the powers delegated by the Constitution at Article 4, Section 4, second sentence, i.e. "to protect the States from invasion," and then, we'll see.
 
As proven multiple times, Trump is quite a skilled - and experienced - negotiator.
 
And, he has not only got us into any new wars, he's pulling out of both Syria and Afghanistan(the latter, more slowly).
 
Compare and contrast with D'OhBama, who got a Nobel for nothing, and involved the US in at least 4 more wars during his lying, criminal maladministration.  When NoKo finally caves to pressure and gets rid of their nukes, Trump should have EARNED his Nobel, unlike his predecessor.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 10, 2019 - 12:06am
There must be no wall as dictated by Trump.
FacePalm Added Jan 10, 2019 - 3:21am
Promises Made, Promises Kept
 
While there are several he hasn't kept, there are also quite a few that were NOT campaign promises that he went above and beyond on.
He'd promised to go after the CDC and their lies about vaccines.
He promised to release advanced tech.
He promised to drain the swamp, and though he's made a good start(@ Justice & FBI), there are a LOT more to go.  Project Veritas revealed a few @ State who were deliberately opposing Trump in any way they could, and one was actively working against Trump on the job - he got fired - but there are a LOT more that have yet to go(and they need to get gone).
 
A small part of the Wall has indeed been completed(the San Diego/Tijuana line), and he's put US troops on the border to help - and, of course, now the D's - who as few as three years ago were ALL FOR border security - idiotically/selfishly oppose it just because they don't want to "give Trump a victory."  He's seeking the Wall to protect Americans - especially from criminal aliens who have KILLED Americans - not for his own glory, but for Americans, dammit!  Drugs, human traffickers, rapists, drunk drivers, and on and on - they need to stay OUT of this country.
Whiskey River Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:18am
Dr. Greene.
Why? 
Whiskey River Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:24am
I have a clue for you SpongeBob, securing our borders is a part of national security. Trump is trying to do what he was elected to do, what every President is elected to do, ensure our national security. The only reason the democrats are against a wall, who used to be for a wall, are fighting Trump is because of their hatred for Trump. They are putting politics over common sense, even going against what they have said in the past for that reason only. TDS has screwed up their brains. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 10, 2019 - 6:12am
"the entire government shut down over something that was never agreed to"
 
Oh if only they would shut the entire federal fatcat bureaucracy down, but alas, they have not even closed a major percentage of government down, only "non-essential" government that is already existing far outside of the few and well defined powers of the national system. 
Steel Breeze Added Jan 10, 2019 - 10:17am
this is just another long-winded whine.......ignorable...
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 12:03pm
But wait and see; the Democrats will either relent and negotiate, or Trump will declare a State of Emergency, and exercise the powers delegated by the Constitution at Article 4, Section 4, second sentence, i.e. "to protect the States from invasion," and then, we'll see.
 
Actually, it is even simpler than that.  It is defined within the parameters of the National Emergency act, a law that has been exercised at least once by every president except Reagan and GHWB since 1978
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 10, 2019 - 12:51pm
FacePalm Added Jan 9, 2019 - 10:13pm 
There is so much wrong with your post, civics- and 3branch-wise, that I am not even going to begin telling you why you are wrong. First, a prez cannot impose a tax. You find the rest.
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 10, 2019 - 12:53pm
Steel Breeze Added Jan 10, 2019 - 10:17am
 
Thank you for letting me know I can ignore your whine!
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 10, 2019 - 12:56pm
Whiskey River Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:24am
 
It's spongeworthy, sir, not spongebob. Do I call you Whiskey A Go Go? Absolutely never.
 
The wall is not for protection of the nation, it is for protection of Trump's ego, therefore not worthy of funding.
Bill H. Added Jan 10, 2019 - 1:00pm
 
If our system still works the way it should, Trump's declaration of a "National Emergency" won't get past step 2.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:20pm
Sponge so I take it that your young since <<1996 is correct me if I'm wrong something like 23 years ago>>  But if your 46 that is half your life.  If your 69 that is 1/3 of your life.  If you look at the pictures of people on this web site their are a lot over 50 including me. 
 
So how about the 2008 Democratic Platform!!!  <<Under the “target="_blank" rel="noopener">Immigration” section of its platform document entitled “Renewing America’s Promise” the Democratic National Committee criticizes the nations “broken” immigration system,” pledging in August 2008 that “we cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented and unchecked.”
 
“We need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry. We need additional Customs and Border Protection agents equipped with better technology and real-time intelligence. We need to dismantle human smuggling organizations, combating the crime associated with this trade.”
 
The harsh language in the document continues, castigating those who “enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law.”>>
 
So why was this dropped in the 2016 campaign?  "Between 2008 and 2016, Democrats became more and more confident that the country’s growing Latino population gave the party an electoral edge. To win the presidency, Democrats convinced themselves, they didn’t need to reassure white people skeptical of immigration so long as they turned out their Latino base. “The fastest-growing sector of the American electorate stampeded toward the Democrats this November,” Salon declared after Obama’s 2008 win. “If that pattern continues, the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert.”"   https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
 
Obviously the voter that turn the tide were the rural voters in 'fly over country.  Hillary won the popular vote by winning only ~ 5% of the counties.  This resulted in the Trump won more states and since each state gets two additional electoral votes he won by a good margin.  Those two electoral vote came about because the founders wanted to balance popular votes with regional or care takers of the land that made up the nation.  They understood the problems with City States ignoring the interest of the supporting country side.  As show through out history the city state can not survive without a supporting country side and yet time after time the politicians ignored the rural area which led to the collapse of the state.
Dino Manalis Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:28pm
 Trump likes to keep his campaign promises and many Democrats in the Midwest probably continue to support his trade war.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:36pm
Sponge, all candidates for the president make a campaign image that always far exceeds there capacity to deliver.  The problem is that the congress also must approve.  Even the same party has multiple interest and those with major conflict do not become law.   Obama didn't complete many of his promises and Trump will also fall way short.  Every candidate that wins has a few promises that separated him from the pack.  These promises define if a president gets a second term or not.   What the Democrat congress wish to do is to deny Trump the achievement of the few critical promises.  He as already achieve "making America Great Again" in terms of economics and foreign affairs is promising.  The security of the nation's borders and the safety of the citizens is the third critical promise that the statest or class society advocates wish to deny President Trump.  
 
The GOP paid the price for not keeping its critical promises by loosing the House, but many believed they didn't want to be responsible for the trifecta of the White House and both chambers of Congress.   Trump told them that he will drag them down with him.  One good election, "the GOP is doomed to 40 years of wandering in a desert."
Ryan Messano Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:48pm
Sponge has been absolutely demolished in truth bombs and is in smoking ruins right  now.  Impressive work by the conservatives.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:48pm
Sponge, welcome to WB. I see you've met quite a few of the cast of characters making up the Greek chorus supporting our President. What the chorus doesn't recognize is that the play has turned from a tragedy to a farce, and instead of the conquering hero he may picture himself to be, the Dear Leader is actually embodying the madness of King Lear.
 
Personally, I think the Greek chorus will finally realize what is going on once Lysistrata begins on stage, where the women withhold their affections until they get their way. But until that time comes, enjoy the play being held in the Kabuki Theatre.
Bill H. Added Jan 10, 2019 - 3:07pm
The Orange Infant is surely going to have a bad couple weeks coming up for sure! The "Shutdown" is losing him points rapidly with his own party (not to mention quite a few members of his base who won't have a paycheck), and it looks like he will soon be ceasing his constant chant of "No Collusion!".
What a circus this whole thing is becoming.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 10, 2019 - 3:25pm
EABC, the Greeks and Shakespeare recognized that despite a mans past flaws, he can be redeemed by virtue today.  A lesson lost on you, Bill H, and the rest of the liberals.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 10, 2019 - 3:26pm
Trump won the day last night with one sentence.  "Some have suggested a barrier is immoral. Then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."   
 
People build walls because they love the people on the inside, not because they hate the people on the outside.  Game over   Donald Trump has taken the moral high ground, " as Pres Ronald Reagan emphasized, America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere."  We welcome people through a great big door to America, we show our love of the people with a wall that protects them.  
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:50pm
(not to mention quite a few members of his base who won't have a paycheck)
 
Trump isn't winning any electoral votes in Washington DC or fairfax county or the other 5 richest counties in the US that surround Washington DC as all are deep blue..
Jeff Michka Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:44pm
Gee, and here I wondered if we'd found "Zorba the Sponge"  "Zorba, teach me how to soak up water." LOL  Hey, all Trump has talked consistantly about is his Wall, and have not heard Mexico asking where to send the check, to pay for it.  The wall is northing more than a monument to white nationalists and inane Trumpists  only wanting to rid themselves of people that don't look like them.  Orange fuckstick wants to promise his "Base" an ethnically pure America, so they don't get angry at him.  His  Wall won't stop drugs coming into this country, and Trumpist coal miners and unemployed steel workers will be real unhappy if their personal heroin supplies dry up. 
FacePalm Added Jan 10, 2019 - 9:29pm
SWU-
You're right; Trump, by himself, cannot impose a tax on remittances sent from the US to Mexico.
As stated, however, he doesn't need to, now - nor would he need to ask Congress to do so - the re-negotiated NAFTA takes care of it.
 
Besides, even though i don't care much for Ted Cruz, he did come up with a great idea, though it didn't pass(he re-introduced it, recently); after that drug cartel guy in US custody is convicted(won't be long) take his seized assets and use THEM to build the wall!  Last i heard, he has nxs of 16 billion, and he's a Mexican, so - yeah, that'd be Mexico paying for the wall, in a sense, wouldn't it?
 
But when you have some actual rebuttal, present it!  i'll gladly dismantle it for you...but the Wall will get built, one way or another, wait'n'see.  When it gets going, and say, 50% of it's done, will you be man enough to return and apologize for your error?
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:13am
"...the re-negotiated NAFTA takes care of it.." 
Not until it's passed by the Senate. NAFTA is gone but the new one is not effective yet.
 
You still need civics lessons.
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:16am
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 10, 2019 - 3:26pm 
 
Nice try but no. 
 
The walls of my house enclose me and my loved ones.
 
Trump's monument to himself wall on the other hand has no inside. It does not connect to itself.
 
It encloses nothing.
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:17am
Even A Broken Clock Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:48pm
 
Well sir, I'd say you're right more than twice this day.
 
Thanks for the friendly welcome. I'd +1 ya but don't know how yet.
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:25am
Jeff Michka Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:44pm 
 
Thank you sir, if I could argue with you, you know I would do it.
 
I can't argue with your points. 
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:31am
Bill H. Added Jan 10, 2019 - 3:07pm
 
I think we're all going to have a bad while of it as the foundation collapses from a constant spew of lies, starting with "Mexico will pay for it".
 
It's like an axed tall tree barely starting to tilt past the point of no return, going to make some noise as she settles in with a crash.
 
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:33am
Ryan Messano Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:48pm
 
No I'm not. What makes you think that? What truth bombs, as if a Trump supporter could tell the truth about a mathematical constant.
 
Might not want to count those chickens so soon, son.
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:39am
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:36pm
 
I understand all that Thomas.
 
"He as already achieve "making America Great Again" in terms of economics and foreign affairs is promising."
 
No he's not. Only someone who does not understand economy would say such ignorant things.
 
Trump should not have run on the slogan that Mexico will pay for it, when we're talking about north of $25,000,000,000 that could be better spent on other technology and labor to help the problem.
 
A president is not free to do whatever he wants like a business owner does. He can't fire people. He can't raise prices. He can't spend money that hasn't been appropriated by the legislature.
 
A wall with no inside is not secure, it's merely something to bypass.
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:43am
Dino Manalis Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:28pm
 
No, Dino, Dems never have supported Trump's trade war. Where'd you get that idea?
Sponge Worthy Us Added Jan 11, 2019 - 9:44am
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 10, 2019 - 2:20pm
 
No Thomas, you're wrong. You're all wrong from start to finish.
Phoenix Added Jan 11, 2019 - 10:12am
Leftists typically embrace the childish all-or-nothing principle. That is, if a wall does not solve every! immigration! problem! ever! then it's no good. That thinking doesn't work in politics and it doesn't work in real life, because in both cases, improvement is the goal, not perfection. 
 
By setting up the goal as perfection or nothing, the left conveniently makes sure that no improvement happens, which is what they want. More illegals = more voters and more slaves. Leftism seeks slaves, and the best way to enslave a man is through benefits and entitlements. 
 
Building the wall is a start. Yet the left can't even make a start in reducing illegal immigration, even though they campaigned for it before (probably dishonestly). Why? We all know why. Failed, juvenile thinking. 
Phoenix Added Jan 11, 2019 - 10:14am
Please tell me when you are personally going to live out what you say. When you adopt a few "children" or let them stay rent-free in your house, then you'll have some credibility. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 11, 2019 - 10:48am
Actually, as late as 2015, most democrats were in favor of a wall. It is only a hot topic issue when the other guy wants to do it apparently. Selective memories and enforcement. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 11, 2019 - 11:02am
Sponge  Trump won the moral argument with this one image, "They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."  You can say this till your blue in the face.  Nancy Pelosi said this was a moral issue. 
 
This is the point Spunge, <<The walls of my house enclose me and my loved ones.>> in your words.
 
You have created a tangle mess with this crazy argument, <<Trump's monument to himself wall on the other hand has no inside. It does not connect to itself.   It encloses nothing.>>   The objective of a barrier as it has been for human history is to slow down the invaders so they can be met by the defenders against invasion. 
 
And to put a cherry on top we have Jim Acosta you tube walking along a wall that is peaceful.  He says what crisis?  but the video showed that a wall works.   https://pjmedia.com/video/cnns-jim-acosta-just-tweeted-the-worlds-biggest-self-own-on-the-border-wall/
 
The moral issue is supported by the reduction of the cartel criminal trafficking invading America.  The people on both sides of a barrier gain from a reduction is the level of trafficking.  
 
I have observed campaigns since the 1960's.  I can not think of one candidate at any level that does not promise more then he can ever complete, Democrat or Republican. The can words of a politician that will never accomplish a promise is to say they are 'working to XXX. or they will lead the fight XXX.'   
 
As far as Mexico paying for the wall.  That was bull shit from day one for most people.  But anyone that is involved in capital spending totally accepts the statement because a reduction in costs from the present approach is always used to  calculate the return on investment.   The wall is an investment.  So the decrease in cost from less drugs, criminals, human trafficking, etc.  is applied to determine a pay back time for the wall.  Those added cost are coming from Mexico so he tag them to Mexico.  That is less common.   
Ken Added Jan 11, 2019 - 1:55pm
No he's not. Only someone who does not understand economy would say such ignorant things.
 
Explain and defend.  I understand the economy - probably better than 99% of the people.  I was an economic major, I worked extensively in financial markets and I regularly read a lot of economic data.  Defend your comment.  So far you have defended nothing other than telling people they are wrong without explaining  how they are wrong. 
 
The classic was the line to TS -No Thomas, you're wrong. You're all wrong from start to finish.  - with absolutely no rebuttal as to why he was wrong.
 
You have to learn there are a number of very knowledgeable people here that are well read, well educated and have a lot of real world experience.
 
If you can't logically defend your position with evidence you won't last long.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 11, 2019 - 2:29pm
Sponge agrees 100% with Jeff Michka.
 
That tells you he's totally off his rocker.  Thank you to Jeff again.  He's really good at exposing the frauds among us.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 11, 2019 - 3:28pm
Speaking of frauds and people rejected by voters where he lives, herer comes Ryan, still promoting his Jeff Jihad.  Hey, I didn't write what you wrote and publicly posted here, you did.  And some folks down your way read it.  Fool, and you were so glowing in your condemnation of women voters and your other Xtain hate crap.  I can't wait for you to try running for office again, there are enough news outlets in print that would love embarrassing a demagogue like you.  You are soooo welcome, Messanic.  Kiss Vinny for me.
John Minehan Added Jan 11, 2019 - 7:06pm
OK, let's look at the Correlation of Forces here.
 
Spending bills originate in the House.  Speaker Pelosi does not have to let a bill containing an allocation for Trump's Wall to reach the Floor.
 
Trump has "shut down the Government down" somewhat unilaterally (although he has tried to back away from it).  Trump has no fallback position, if he caves on this, he will not be re-elected.
 
Pelosi has no intention of giving Trump what he wants, since it would increase Trump's odds for re-election.
 
Trump can clearly (under existing Federal Law) declare an emergency and build the wall with other funds, but: 1) it is possible it won't be considered a bona fide "emergency" by any Court; 2) it will be a political firestorm if he takes money allocated for things like relief from the 2017 Hurricanes, which were widely perceived as mismanaged; and 3) it would particularly alienate Cruz and Rubio, whose votes he may need to avoid being removed at some point.      
Jeff Michka Added Jan 11, 2019 - 7:35pm
Aw, gee, like the impending "emergency" over the caravan pre election, and not a word from Orange Douche bag after the election.  Of course, Trump declared the 800,000 federal worker are "mostly democrats," so the base loves the idea of hurting those bad o; gummnt employees.  The black helicopters are grounded, so the rightist can cradle their guns and bibles safely without fear of having them taken away, so on top of hurting people, nice white people are all safe and secure.  Idiot squad rightist running dogs....
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 11, 2019 - 11:34pm
Ken you just through rocks at my statement but didn't back up your opinion.   A politician are on average economic morons.  Trump is a successful businessman so he would put a border barrier in terms of a business investment.   Prove that wrong.   Do not tell me accountants are not creative in creating categories on there books that are not illegal.  Applying the savings of a wall as Mexico's input is one of those creative approaches. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 12, 2019 - 1:27pm
C'mon people. From the OUTSIDE it seems that Trump can't do what he wants is because he's blocked by the establishment in either chamber.
 
What you fucking don't notice or don't care: He did not start another war in two years of the presidency ! Is that nothing ? Or don't you care about what happens out of the US ?
FacePalm Added Jan 12, 2019 - 1:31pm
SWU-
 By way of reminder, Republicans hold the majority in the Senate, so passing the USMCA will be a cake-walk.
 
John Minehan-
Just read something interesting today; it seems that over the last 5 years, the Pentagon has been returning a bit over 5 billion of un-spent funds each year, and now there's a pot of money a bit nxs of 27 billion just sitting in a pot which Trump can pull from - and, of course, should Cruz's bill pass, around 16 billion could come from the convicted drug cartel Mexican - so the Wall will get done, one way or another.
 
So while lower courts - especially D'OhBama holdovers - are likely to issue injunctions out the ying and the yang, no matter what (unless Pelosi can be swayed by public pressure/outrage), there's a chance that it'll be appealed to SCOTUS on an expedited basis, and they're going to have a tough time ignoring Article 4, section 4, second sentence...the Constitution declares that the States shall be protected from Invasion, but does not specify that an "invasion" must consist of armed invaders.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 12, 2019 - 1:32pm
BTW: He said "I want to get along with Russia". And he was BLAMED for that ! As if peace would be something that is no good at all. He might be a loudmouth, an ego-driven narcissist and whatever, but he wants to make BUSINESS not WAR.
 
When do people understand that ? Business PREVENTS war. And if there are some bribes here and there - that's the way humans are.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 12, 2019 - 2:12pm
Rand Paul was openly ostracized and mocked by other candidates and the press for saying the very same things, if not outright ignored. 
Jeff Michka Added Jan 12, 2019 - 2:33pm
Then can we just mock you, Ward, and leave Rupaul alone?  Rupaul, the only elected with hair phonier than Trump's.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 12, 2019 - 3:43pm
You can play your pathetic little games all you wish Jeff. Ad hominem does seem to be your forte. Perhaps someone will even coo at your humorous, albeit futile attempts at clever banter. 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 13, 2019 - 2:20am
Spongeworthy, you are.  I like that you present a seemingly absorbent surface which conceals the resilient core underneath. Welcome. 
 
I still think that we should allow Drumpf to put up a few hundred million $ of his own money (regardless of the way he got it) to sponsor a few miles of his pet project; the border authorities can probably identify a place where it could still serve.  (There is plenty of border fencing that has been authorized in the past and strategically located.) 
 
He can then put his ugly puss, and his brand name symbolizing fraud,  all over it--on both sides--so we will know whose stupid idea this was, even at a distance of centuries. 
 
After he finishes his days in the White House, Congress should pass a resolution allowing Trump and his family to go into exile in Russia rather than stink up our jails.  He can then build the hotel of his dreams and give the penthouse to his good buddy without further compromising this nation's interests. 
 
FacePalm Added Jan 13, 2019 - 3:13am
As sponges age, they become full of dirt'n'crap and crumble away to uselessness, there, Jim.  A fit metaphor, indeed.
John Minehan Added Jan 13, 2019 - 12:15pm
This is interesting.
John Minehan Added Jan 13, 2019 - 12:41pm
"So while lower courts - especially D'OhBama holdovers - are likely to issue injunctions out the ying and the yang, no matter what (unless Pelosi can be swayed by public pressure/outrage), there's a chance that it'll be appealed to SCOTUS on an expedited basis, and they're going to have a tough time ignoring Article 4, section 4, second sentence...the Constitution declares that the States shall be protected from Invasion, but does not specify that an "invasion" must consist of armed invaders."
 
Congress is NOT going to give him a red dime for a "wall." ( It may or may not be "immoral" but as articulated it will be ineffective and very expensive.)
 
He might have options under the National Emergencies Act of 1976.
 
He could declare and "Emergency" but:  1) how does the situation differ from two months ago when the GOP controlled the House (or almost two years ago when the GOP controlled the House; and 2) how is this anything other than a naked attempt to thwart the will of a co-equal branch?
 
Further, can you use DoD funds on this project under the limitations of posse comitatus  and can you re-allocate DoD funds to something else?
 
He will lose at the District Court, he will lose at the Circuit and I would not be too surprised if the US Supreme Court denied cert.
 
Given recent revaluations that Trump himself was under a Counter Intelligence Investigation after firing James Comey, I doubt it is politically feasible to test this right now.    
FacePalm Added Jan 13, 2019 - 5:51pm
Wait'n'see, John, that's all i can tell you.  One way or another, the wall WILL get built, and it WILL be effective.  Already is, in many places.  Didn't you hear about CNN calling a San Diego teevee station, looking to get intel proving that their wall wasn't working?  When they found out the opposite, CNN suddenly lost interest in interviewing anyone from that station.
 
Then there was Acosta, proving the president's point, walking along a portion of the old wall in Texas, pointing out how peaceful it was, and that there were no refugees storming it...
 
These clowns are good for a laugh'n'a half.
 
Pelosi will pay for her intransigence.  Didn't you hear about the last meeting?  Lasted maybe 15 min.  Trump said, "If i sign this"(meaning a bill to keep the gov't going), will you give me funding for the wall within 30 days?"  Pelosi said "No."  Trump said, "Bye-bye," and walked out of the room.  Sooner or later, probably later, she'll come to her senses and make a counterproposal, and negotiate in good faith.  Sooner or later, she's going to want some legislation she likes signed by the president - as there's no way she has enough votes to override the presidential veto.
 
Oh, and after the meeting, Cryin' Chuck claimed the President slammed his fist on the desk before leaving - but there were witnesses, Chuckie, to prove you lied(again).
 
She's a senile old fool, and her speakership won't last long atall.
FacePalm Added Jan 13, 2019 - 5:53pm
Oh, and dimes aren't red; those would be pennies.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:53pm
A majority of government employees, well over 50%,  some suggested in the 80% range, vote for Democrats.  Who do you thing they are calling right now?  How do you think they will blame when they hear that Pelosi is not willing to bargain? 
 
Do you really think that those democrat voters that are in unions do not see that they have paid the price for illegal immigrants. Union workers are being replaced.  Even government union worker like teachers feel the pinch of higher cost due to illegals and less local tax income.  When Unions per the main stay of the Democratic party, Democrat politicians and union farm members stood in the way of illegal immigration, they were taking union jobs.  They still are. 
 
When the GOP controlled both houses of Congress the swamp wanted low cost labor.  And the GOP serves the interest of swamp not their base.
 
Who's interests does Pelosi and the leadership of the Democratic Party serve?   
 
The pressure from the base I think will buckle the Democratic leadership. and then the GOP leadership will also buckle to their base.  This will be on time that the base wins. 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:51am
John M. -- it was a "red cent" you wanted to say, but we don't say that anymore (Indian penny, you know) 
 
Face Palm:  Pelosi is on record offering one dollar; Trump can do a gofundme and match it, and we can put it in the desert somewhere that it makes little difference  Stay away from the Rio Grande, though!
 
FacePalm Added Jan 14, 2019 - 8:40am
Jim-
Do you recall the triple-amputee that started a GoFundMe with a goal of a billion to help build The Wall?
He showed up @ Pelosi's office to claim the dollar, but she wouldn't see him; hid out in her office and let her staff deal with the troublesome vet w/no legs and one arm.
Too bad he didn't solicit her office staff for THEIR dollars, too!
 
Brian Kolfage.  In 28 days of fundraising, he's received over 20mil from over 343k donators.  How soon can we expect YOUR dollar?  I'm sorry?  When WHAT freezes over?
 
If my memory hasn't failed me, about 63 million voted for Trump.  If they each gave 20 bux, way more than a billion would be raised, assuming my math is right.
 
And you know?  MSM is lying about his site, too, saying that his project is over, and everyone who gave is getting their money back.  Nice, eh?  Lying about a guy who gave 3 limbs for the country, trying to give even more.  Sonsabitches should be prosecuted for fraud and sued for slander.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:51pm
What ERW Faced didn't say was gofundme is returning the donations because all you good Trumpists wouldn't come up with the Billion Dollars, that whole campaign being just another fraud you Trumpists are too stupid to admit to.  You got conned, once again.  Gee, I'm so impressed, no wonder WB rightists embrace Lyin Ryan as their spiritual leader.  And Faced wants you to believe him, not gofundme, and tries using mindless "vet sympathy" for his arguement on why this gofundme fraud was so....righteous.  No bible verses, Faced?  Speaking of frauds, eh Faced?
FacePalm Added Jan 16, 2019 - 1:17am
Jeff-
i rarely bother with you, but this time i'll make an exception.  You're promoting the same lie that MSM is promoting, that all the donations are being returned from the Kolfage GoFundMe page - which you would have known had you bothered to click the link instead of talking your usual trash. 

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