The Hoax Called a Government Shutdown

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I watched President Trump's speech on illegal immigration last night, I thought he did a good job. He was concise, stated well known facts, did not blame anyone personally for the hold ups but the House and Senate in general. 

 

Why Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer were there puzzles me, they had nothing to say. Neither had any rebuttals to the facts President Trump mentioned. Not the fact that drugs were being smuggled into our country, nothing about the criminals sneaking across our border, they said nothing. Pelosi spouted the same old Democrat talking points I have been hearing since Ronald Reagan was our President about more technology and a few more border agents being better than a wall but that was it. Schumer was mumbling something about, something. Even Brian Williams and his guests on MSNBC were laughing at their performance. 

 

Which leads to this so-called government shutdown. No Americans have been hurt by this shutdown, only a few who work for the federal government. All our national parks are still open, in many of them local volunteers have been keeping the restrooms clean and the trash picked up. There may not be some officious person wearing a smokey the bear hat there to hand out pamphlets but that doesn't really matter to most people anyway. National Parks, National Forests, National Monuments, the federal government has no right to be controlling them. 

 

The land in each state belongs to the people in those states. The parks, the forests, all of it. And each state can take care of our national treasures just fine, no federal government needed. The local people know what is needed to take care of their lands, they know much more than some Washington bureaucrat. Our national monuments in Washington? We have a few hundred thousand soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen, who we already pay, who would be glad to maintain the beauty of those monuments and memorials. The fact is the federal government is not needed in many cases. 

 

The people most affected by this shutdown? The very people I am talking about who are not needed. The BLM, forest service, national parks, game and fish, none of these wasteful, overbloated agencies are needed and could be shutdown forever in my opinion. The land can go back to it's rightful owners, the citizens of the states, and they can take care of it. Maybe some of those laid off federal employees can get a job with the state. 

Comments

Bill H. Added Jan 9, 2019 - 5:41pm
It's all part of his effort to gain total control.
Putin will be proud.
Ken Added Jan 9, 2019 - 5:51pm
Bill, you on Putin's christmas card list?  You seem to keep being his mouthpiece.
 
Government has been shut down 20 times since 1975 by presidents in both parties.  It is a tool that is used to force congress to come to the table and talk and affects almost no one in the country and only 15% of the government employees.  It is the equivalent of an extended weekend which is exactly all this is and many employees treat it as just that and are off on paid vacations knowing they will get back pay for all the time off
Ward Tipton Added Jan 9, 2019 - 6:01pm
Now if only we could figure out how to ensure that the politicians were the first ones to lose their pay and bennies. 
Spartacus Added Jan 10, 2019 - 3:33am
Let's have some predictions here.  I predict this shutdown will last for 3 months.  If someone said this could go on for 6 months, I would not even blink an eye.   Get ready.  It is going to be a very . . . very long shutdown.  Good job Trump!  Finally a Republican with a set of nads.
Whiskey River Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:05am
Ward.
The politicians should be the first to lose their pay and benefits during a shutdown. They created the problem, they have to fix the problem, they should not be paid to do the job they should have done to begin with. 
Whiskey River Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:12am
Ken
I will agree gooberment employees should get what vacation and sick leave they have coming but that is it. No back pay for days not working, nothing. Most government employees vote for the candidate who promises them the most, not for the person who will do what is right for America. They got the people they wanted in office, they should have to deal with the consequences. Shutdown, no work, no pay. Just like everyone working in the real world. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:32am
The US government is by far the largest employer, but how many of those employees are requisite for the carrying out of their few and well defined powers?
Bill Kamps Added Jan 10, 2019 - 7:32am
I agree with Whiskey.  Almost certainly the politicians are being paid during this shutdown, and they should be the first not to be paid, with no back bay and benefits.  No travel, no free cafeteria, no expensed dinners, nada.
 
Military should be paid on time.  The employees of the government who are actually working, like TSA and air traffic control, should be paid. 
 
People who are not working can use sick time, or vacation, and then not be paid.
 
That is how pressure will build to solve this.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 10, 2019 - 7:42am
"Military should be paid on time.  The employees of the government who are actually working, like TSA and air traffic control, should be paid. "
 
The TSA may work ... but it has never worked very well. Certainly not to the extent that it is justified. 
Bill Kamps Added Jan 10, 2019 - 7:55am
Ward, I just distinguish between the people that are actually going to work every day, and those who are not going to work, but still expect to get back pay.  I dont think these situations are equivalent, regardless of the merits of their job. 
 
For sure it is beyond stupid to pay the politicians, since they are the cause of the shutdown, and could agree to fix it  in an afternoon if they were motivated enough.  If millionaire Pelosi didnt get her per diem for meals for a day, or a free flight back to Calif for the weekend, she would have this fixed pronto.
George N Romey Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:01am
Exactly, this would be resolved immediately.  Poor Nancy if she had to fly (gasp) in coach back to San Fran.
Bill Kamps Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:08am
George, she doesnt even fly commercial.  Last time she was Speaker they flew her in government 757, even if she was the ONLY passenger.   They had to get her the larger plane, because (gasp again ) the smaller private jets had to stop to refuel.
 
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/nancy-pelosis-personal-jet/
George N Romey Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:12am
And her supporters dare to complain about Trump.  She is emblematic of every thing wrong with politicians today.  Yet the sheep continue to pay homage to her.  She should be behind bars for theft.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:28am
I believe she had quite the well stocked bar on her journeys as well? Or was that Hillary C? Or both?
 
And from that perspective, yes I do agree ... but I do not agree with the principles of the TSA in theory or in practice. And their track record certainly is not very impressive either. 
George N Romey Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:37am
The TSA needs to go away.  Those billion dollar machines that scan you (and sometimes force unneeded evasive private screenings) do not work as intended.  Its nothing more than billion dollar theater to make people they are actually making flying safe. 
wsucram15 Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:47am
ok..you guys make me laugh.  All the long time Congressional people are millionaires which is about 51%.  There is a list and most invested in technology or medical stock.
Some of the wealthiest members of congress are republicans such as Darrell Issa (almost a billionaire). John Delany and Mchael McCaul are all triple digits. Pelosi is in there but barely breaking the stride of some of the fellows.  But I do doubt she travels coach and unless she pays for it, she should have to..
 
Look up Paul Ryan's net worth and his expenditures.  Americans are too trusting with elected officials.
 
But median net worth of a freshman lawmaker is 995,000 so I agree with Whiskey River on this one and always have.  Its not just their money..I have seen the perks in DC, that we pay for.
 
They dont even pay for haircuts, pictures or furniture. 
 
Trump has not stopped that, its worse now.
Steel Breeze Added Jan 10, 2019 - 10:59am
the longer and more widespread the shutdown,the more i like it....
Whiskey River Added Jan 10, 2019 - 11:15am
For everyone worried about the military, don't. I have three grandchildren serving, a Marine, one Air Force and one Navy, they are getting paid. The only people laid off or working without a check are non essential personnel. Park rangers, Blm clowns, forest service people, useless TSA agents, people who are not necessary to our national security. Besides, they will not miss a check until payday tomorrow, the first payday since the shutdown. They cannot live more than two weeks without getting a check? 
Bill Kamps Added Jan 10, 2019 - 11:33am
The only people laid off or working without a check are non essential personnel.
 
It should also be the politicians, with no back pay, once the government starts up again.  I know they are rich, but they scream like babies when they loose even a nickel of perqs.  
JP Added Jan 10, 2019 - 11:37am
The land can go back to its original owners? Okay chief, you smoke too much peace pipe. Time to lay off that peyote. If we give the citizens of this country carte blanche access to government controlled land. We will see oil wells and fracking operations, strip mining deforestation along with every other possible concocted money making idea. The destruction of the most pristine places this country currently enjoys will be the result. Are you a corporate enabler?  
Ward Tipton Added Jan 10, 2019 - 11:41am
Non essential personnel who are conducting business far above and beyond the few and well defined powers. 
 
Lock the door behind them. Close the offices and sell the office buildings we own. Give the taxpayers more than just what Nancy Pelosi considers to be mere crumbs. 
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 11:45am
Whiskey - I wasn't stating what SHOULD happen, simply what DOES happen.  Bill is just a monotonous ideologue that can never defend his positions because they are never based on fact.
 
Most of the critical employees still working are getting paid, like the military as you noted.  There are some that are working but will not get paid (in fact, this friday will be the first actual missed paycheck) TSA and other semi-criticals work and will get deferred pay.  the rest such as all those in department of education, commerce dept, etc are basically on paid vacation.
 
As far as Nancy Pelosi goes, she is worth half a billion dollars - most of which was earned since she joind congress.  Her husband has mysteriously managed to have many contracts routed his way.
 
And the insider stock trading congress can legally do that no one else can has made her a mint.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 10, 2019 - 1:07pm
But ... but ... but Congress made a great big show out of making insider trading illegal for them too just as it is for us plebes ... never mind the fact that they rescinded that law in the middle of the night ... quietly. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:15pm
Ken: Bill, you on Putin's christmas card list?  You seem to keep being his mouthpiece.
 
Government has been shut down 20 times since 1975 by presidents in both parties.  It is a tool that is used to force congress to come to the table and talk and affects almost no one in the country and only 15% of the government employees.  It is the equivalent of an extended weekend which is exactly all this is and many employees treat it as just that and are off on paid vacations knowing they will get back pay for all the time off 
 
ROFL, epic comeback, Ken.  Bill H. needs a heavy dose of those. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:16pm
Great article WR, the Democrats are controlled by the wealthy in this nation and other nations.  They are traitors to America, they are fools, they are corrupt, and if they aren't stopped, they will wreck us all.
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:21pm
but Congress made a great big show out of making insider trading illegal for them too just as it is for us plebes ... never mind the fact that they rescinded that law in the middle of the night ... quietly. 
 
Yep, if one isn't engaged and paying attention they wouldn't know that it was fairly quickly reinstated
Jim Perlow Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:46pm
Who is laughing?  Its the government employees who have been given a paid holiday at the tax payers expense.  They get back pay!  Its like money in the bank and who wouldn't loan money to those guaranteed to be paid when this stunt is over.  My guess is the only ones truly hurt by the shut down are the ones we elected, who for a short time have to type their own speeches, deliver their own mail, hail a cab, maybe even go to the cleaners, etc.  I support it and think there should be legislation that keeps our congressmen and senators without pay too.  Can you just imagine how fast these stalemates would resolve themselves by those we elected to do their jobs if they lost benefits too; had to deal with the same health care plans; actually had to house some of the illegals, had to tear down the walls that surround their homes??? wow - seems pretty simple to me - SHUTERDOWN
wsucram15 Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:55pm
WR..the military are the only ones who should be paid, including Congress.
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:57pm
Nope Jim - all of their staffers are still working and considered "critical".
 
The problem is our congress will never legislate themselves out of pay - just like they will never legislate themselves term limits.  That is why we need an Article 5 convention of states to go around congress and update the constitution to limit their excesses
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 10, 2019 - 6:01pm
Agree wholeheartedly. Especially on the point of the countless bureaus and agencies which have about as much worth as tits on a bull. The first one I would eliminate PERMANENTLY is the federal dept of Education. 
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 6:06pm
The first one I would eliminate PERMANENTLY is the federal dept of Education. 
 
A Carter brainchild.  of course....
 
Department of Commerce, Department of Energy, and way too many to name.
 
I heard the other day there are 565 separate major agencies in the federal government (I believe that was the number, it was something like that).  They all get funded through congress in these spending bills.
 
I bet there isn't a single congressman or senator that can name even 10% of those agencies
Dino Manalis Added Jan 10, 2019 - 7:14pm
 The government shutdown is a national emergency, while the president should propose a new tax or spending cuts to fund the wall and reopen the entire government.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 10, 2019 - 8:57pm
Kenny, as usual has his rightist agenda to fall back on and doesn't spare us.  Whiskey Liver wants people to buy into the "let's blame everyone but our precious Orange Il Duce."  The people that spray his face orange and apply his full stage makeup each day are still on the job, but in security matters, that bad ol Democrat Coast Guard aren't going to get checks.  You know the Coast Guard that stops  seaborne immigrants and drugs....you know security matters.  But the black helicopters are grounded, so "they" won't be landing on your lawns when taking your guns.  You're safe!!!
Phoenix Added Jan 11, 2019 - 10:23am
@JP -- That is what you think of the common man. Strangely, we are a nation of laws and elected representatives. You are the epitome of a powerless, paranoid, hate-fueled child. 
 
@Dino -- Somehow, I'm not feeling it a bit. Somehow nobody but the media is really concerned, and of course, you. The president wasn't able to get a decent budget when his party had both houses of congress. You think you will get deficit reduction now? LOL. That is a fantasy. 
 
@Jeff -- I don't see any sort of rebuttal in your comments, just ad hominem. Nice to see that's your level of discourse and how serious a thinker you are -- not very. Spare us all the third-grade drivel. 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 12, 2019 - 1:48pm
What we have now is an idiotic, ill-considered, and random approach to reducing government services.   Every shutdown is a failure of our  political system.  Whiskey River seems to think the shutdown is good in itself, regardless of the reason.  I disagree, and I think the reason for this one is contemptible. 
 
Of course, I don't agree that states are the sole owners and determinants of land use.   That has never been the case.  If the argument is that more land should be controlled in private hands, I would say that is worth debating, but that our heritage, natural habitat, wilderness areas, and economic health need to be considered in the policy for land use, whether the entities responsible are Federal, state, local, or private. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 12, 2019 - 3:36pm
And every day the bloated bureaucracy existing far outside the few and well defined powers continues to drain our resources, restrict our freedoms and rob us of the fruits of our labors what? 
 
The State has been the sole owner of the lands for a very long time. Check your "Certificate of Title" or your Deed if you have one. You enjoy naught more than tenancy so long as you agree to pay their fees. That being said, I would not be objectionable to programs to assist people in better utilizing and providing for the lands ... but you would have to show me where that is in the Constitution ... outside a stretch and perversion of the Commerce Clause.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 12, 2019 - 5:15pm
Ah, so rightist Penix weighs in, not liking what I say, but you rightists cry and wring your little hands over "who does or does not get a share of free stuff, bemoan low wages and paycheck-to-paycheck lives most in the country live, but like the idea government employees, laid off, aren't getting paid, but to you clowns that's okay.  It's more Trumpian love of cruelty inflicted on others.  And since the Wall is vital to security, airports and people flying don't deserve the security only a Wall can provide.  IF you people believe your Orange leader, thousands of terrorists are crawling all over the States, but guess that's okay, since you people know none will strap on bomb belts and go and try to get past dispirited and less than focused TSA screener.   So security is just an excuse.   I also wonder how many of the lame Trumpist shills here, like Penix would work for free, without pay.  And what is to guarantee back pay will be given to those forced out of their jobs by the Orange Turd's need to mollify his "Base" of white nationalists and white supremacists, without their vote he can kiss 2020 and/or permanent presidency good bye.  And gosh, it will be real hard to get back into business for him without Russia and Russian dollars to be laundered. 
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:39am
Here's a hopeful article from a supposed government insider and Senior Trump official.
 
"Secondly, we need savings for taxpayers. If this fight is merely rhetorical bickering with Nancy Pelosi, we all lose, especially the president. But if it proves that government is better when smaller, focusing only on essential functions that serve Americans, then President Trump will achieve something great that Reagan was only bold enough to dream.
 
The president’s instincts are right. Most Americans will not miss non-essential government functions. A referendum to end government plunder must happen. Wasteful government agencies are fighting for relevance but they will lose. Now is the time to deliver historic change by cutting them down forever."
Ward Tipton Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:05am
"Secondly, we need savings for taxpayers. If this fight is merely rhetorical bickering with Nancy Pelosi, we all lose, especially the president. But if it proves that government is better when smaller, focusing only on essential functions that serve Americans, then President Trump will achieve something great that Reagan was only bold enough to dream."
 
This holds especially true in regards to the federal government. Local governments should be handling much of the minutia currently being blanket-covered by one-size-fits-all solutions implemented, often by fiat, completely bypassing the legislative process by ineffective and bloated bureaucracies. 
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:48pm
I agree with that.  More power to the states.  Less to the Feds.
Bill H. Added Jan 17, 2019 - 11:30am
 
If there is anything positive about the "shutdown" it will be that many of the people who are negatively affected are likely Trump voters, who will finally come to their senses about this arrogant, self-centered infant.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 18, 2019 - 7:14pm
"If there is anything positive about the "shutdown" it will be that many of the people who are negatively affected are likely Trump voters, who will finally come to their senses about this arrogant, self-centered infant."
 
You mean all those union people who historically have largely (and almost exclusively) donated to the democrat party?