Tolerance?

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This was recently shared by Carlton Milhouse, botanist extraordinaire, providing a brief and thought provoking piece on the subject of tolerance:

 

 

I first met Ford a little over ten years ago when my botanical enterprises were still in their infancy. In those years I regularly made the long runs from northern New Mexico, through Colorado and on, all the way to Montana and back again. We first became acquainted through an associate of mine, Javier, under less than conventional circumstances. Not at any time since can I say that any subsequent encounters with the man have even approached conventional. He no longer travels as extensively as he once did. I did have occasion to meet with him fairly recently, however, at an “undisclosed” location. 

 

I met him at the agreed upon hour at a park and ride lot, right off of the interstate. There were no other vehicles in the small gravel lot but his nondescript rental sedan. I pulled up beside him, shut off the engine and locked up as I got out to head to the passenger door of his car. The windows were all up, tinted to reveal nothing, but the aroma of weed was unmistakable. As anticipated I was greeted with a sweet cloud upon opening the door and getting in.

 

Most people are afraid of this man. It gives some hope for the human race to know this: maybe some people have more sense than we give them credit for. He scares me. Still. Not in a Freddy Krueger or homicidal killer in the room sort of way. It’s the unpredictability of the man. Sadly this trait is exhibited very strongly in his driving, but our ride that day was relatively short.

 

We were headed to a breakfast diner, fifteen miles or so away. On the way he smoked me up with some premium bud and launched right into a really strange topic. This is one of those disturbing elements about Ford. Often meeting with him, especially for strangers who have not been introduced previously, there is the absence of any of the traditional niceties or introductions. He proceeds directly into whatever occupies the front of his mind at the time. If you have known him a while you must always be prepared that he may resume some conversation that he may have had with you weeks or even months before. This fortunately wasn’t the case on this trip, but even in his most lucid moments Ford can be difficult to follow.

 

“Hey Carlton! You know anything about silent films?”

 

“Uhh…a little bit. I guess.”

 

“Okay. You ever heard of Sergei Eisenstein?”

 

“Uh, no. That’s not one I know. I know a couple of the really old German ones, you know, like Nosferatuand Metropolis. And like old Charlie Chaplin movies, but no. Never heard of that dude.”

 

“Yeah, Eisenstein was like the Soviet Union’s Leni Riefenstahl…”

 

“Who?”

 

“Oh…never mind. He was a propaganda filmmaker for the Soviets.”

 

“Okay, what about him?”

 

“Back in the mid to late eighties Laurie Anderson did a brilliant multi-media arts presentation adapting Eisenstein’s famous film The Battleship Potemkin. You should check it out. Sure you can find it on the web somewhere.”

 

“Which?”

 

“What?”

 

“I mean which one, the Laurie Anderson thing or the actual movie?”

 

“Oh, uh…the Laurie Anderson thing, but yeah…the movie too. Yeah we are approaching a Battleship Potemkin moment, Carlton. You know that, right?”

 

He gave me one of those looks over his glasses that really makes me nervous. I had no idea what the fuck he was talking about and so I did, as I have done before in these cases, simply nod, laugh nervously and agree with it. Whatever it is. “Yup. Heh-heh….sure are.”

 

When we got to the diner Ford ordered his usual special, Heart Attack on a Plate, with two eggs, hash browns, bacon and biscuits: all smothered in sausage gravy. Service was fast and the chow was good. We were completely baked so almost anything would have been good, but this place like most that he seems to find was a jewel. Over breakfast he shared with me his latest project.

 

“I’m doing a study on tolerance.”

 

“Tolerance?”

 

“Yeah, tolerance. What does it actually mean? How are we defining it? You know, because it seems like the definition is changing. Either that or there are a lot of people misusing the term.”

 

“Okay, Ford. How do you mean?”

 

“Right. Let’s just take this diner as an example. Fifty years ago a patron here complained to the owner because he allowed blacks to sit at the counter. The customer was very loud about it too, you know. He was almost shouting Hey, I don’t wanna have to sit next to no fuckin’ niggers. The owner says, alright asshole! Get outta my store! Yay! Everybody cheers.”

 

He paused here to doctor the refill on his coffee. I didn’t say a word. I knew he wasn’t done.

 

“Then thirty years ago everybody starts whining about second hand smoke. The owner tells all his smoking customers , Nope! Sorry, can’t smoke here anymore. Yay! Everybody cheers. Twenty years ago? A customer starts bitching because the owner has allowed one of those faggot couples into  the diner. The dumbass is wailing, Yer goin’ to hell for lettin’ them faggots come in here! The owner says, you get the hell out of my store! Yay! Everybody cheers.”

 

Another pause there, for emphasis? I guess?

 

“Ten years ago…..you get one of these painfully obvious transgenders. Wants to use the ladies room, right? Shouldn’t be a big deal, you know, but some patrons had to make a fuss over it. What does the owner do? He brands the complainers as haters and he tells ’em they can leave too. Yay! Everybody cheers.”

 

Ford stopped here and proceeded to attack the remainder of his plate with vigor. After several minutes he gave no sign of resuming his rant. I was left to form my own conclusions, which is often the case with Ford. I am usually more confused than when the conversation began, only slowly beginning to understand later what he may have been saying.

 

A burly looking character emerged from the back of the kitchen hailing Ford at the counter. Ford responded and the two chatted for a couple of minutes. No introductions were offered, but I gathered from the brief exchange that he was speaking with the owner and that this was actually the establishment’s last day in business. A short time later Ford settled the bill and with no lingering sentiment or long goodbyes we left the diner. I still wasn’t certain what all that had been about in there. Once seated back in the car Ford concluded.

 

” A few months ago a customer came into that diner wearing a MAGA hat. The owner got really pissed off and insisted that the customer leave.”

 

He stopped there, but that didn’t fit with the rest of the narrative. So I volunteered ” Yay! Everybody cheered?”

 

“No Carlton, not this time. There just wasn’t anybody left to cheer. This tolerance is a funny thing, you know?”

Comments

Steel Breeze Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:32pm
exactly!!
Dino Manalis Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:36pm
 Customer service is essential, leave out divisive politics!
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:38pm
The First Amendment wasn't designed for you, TBH.  Go get some history books in your home.  You hate the truth with a passion, but she will destroy you.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:52pm
rev - this is my standard response for you:
 
                https://youtu.be/_3t8SUCCTwg
 
                       
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:56pm
I didn't watch it.  When you want to post a link for people to click on, you click on the 4th button over, which is the chain link looking button, and a box opens, asking for the URL.  You paste your video, or other website link, and you have an option to enter text to highlight with that URL.  When you have figured out how to do that, then I'll watch your video, which in all likelihood, is not worth watching.  You want to be heard, but you hate to learn enough to be worthy of being heard.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:17pm
yeah. so you say. If you're smart enough to give the instructions you're smart enough to access the link. You continue to demonstrate what a hopeless fucktard you are. Yes, fucktard, that is a word now because I said so. FUCKTARD.....deal with it. You rail on and on over my iniquitous ways and yet you cant help yourself. If you were truly the paragon of virtue that you claim to be you would eschew any of my titles and carry on your crusade elsewhere. I'll reference my earlier suggestion regarding the seagulls. Oh, and.....
 
                         https://youtu.be/_3t8SUCCTwg
TexasLynn Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:17pm
TBH >> I am usually more confused than when the conversation began, only slowly beginning to understand later what he may have been saying.
 
Welcome to my world when reading your posts. :) Your thoughts, my friend, must be digested over time.  Only then can one hope to eventually reach a conclusion or two.
 
Tolerance, IMO, is something one should use with a bit of common sense.  Tolerance to either extreme is senseless, again IMO.
 
There's an old southern saying that having an open mind can be a good thing, until you realize your kicking your brains around on the floor.  There are a lot of brains rolling around these days.
 
I would consider myself a rather tolerant person; though many would disagree.  I would have been among the cheerers and the detractors during the various scenarios offered.
 
I may not agree that certain choices are right (or moral) but if a certain social norm is observed by all, live and let live.  Just don't openly ask for my opinion... if you don't want it. :)
 
Companies need to be careful when picking such sides... especially when a choice infers that about 50% of your customer base are not welcome.  More and more companies feel inclined to make that choice (usually inferring that I’m a deplorable).  We'll see how that works out in the long run.
 
Good post.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:23pm
TBH
 
This is really cool. Clear sight that guy Ford. Unspoken words but empty place shows it LOL
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:25pm
Persuading people we disagree with, will happen with profanity, said no one ever.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:29pm
Wahrheit liegt immer in den leeren Raumen, mein Freund. Immer wieso :)
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:30pm
BTW: This contradiction is really diff to explain in writing. The more "tolerance" is pressed on people by PC the more that tolerance turns into its opposite....if I can express correctly what I think.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:32pm
Tolerance will never be possible in an environment where profanity and evil are tolerated.
 
To abuse the First Amendment to say it allows profanity and lies is the artwork of the wicked.  Hello Stone, TBH, and the rest of the masterful WB manipulators!
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:36pm
Oh rev, you illustrate my point so well. Do go on :)
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:43pm
Except, your point, is far afield of the intent of the First Amendment.  In reality, your type would have been beaten for your wickedness in early America.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:45pm
From Justice Story,
 
" The real object of the First Amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mohammedanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government."
 
Emphasis: COUNTENANCE INFIDELITY
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:51pm
your type would have been beaten for your wickedness in early America.
 
oh you make this so easy!  I swear to you people I am NOT paying the rev anything for his contribution.
 
Hey rev, why don't you go out and round up an army of followers and we'll have a good old fashioned stoning! Oh...wait. I'm already stoned! And still ten steps ahead of you
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:54pm
There was only one Founder who liked your style, and he was despised by all the others.
 
As for your not using my name, you can't even use your own name.  Learn to love yourself, then you'll learn to love others.  All of us are guilty of faults, only those who refuse to forgive others the faults they have left, will be destroyed, for by not forgiving, they destroy the bridge over which they themselves must pass. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:57pm
Messie trying to mess another article because he didn't get the subject but has gotten back into his loop. Has he ever left it ? Who sang Goin' round in Circles again ?
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:03pm
Oh look, TBH, it's your sycophant Stone.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:04pm
I don't know about that rev....seems like you're the one following me around everywhere
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:08pm
As Bees go to flowers, and give then what they need to grow,
so I flit from post to post, though not all humans want to grow.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:11pm
TBH
 
Wahrheit liegt immer in den leeren Raumen, mein Freund. Immer wieso :)
 
Weil nur leere Räume objektiv sein können und zuerst mit Wahrheiten gefüllt werden müssen...wobei "Wahrheiten" immer subjektiv sind und daher eben nur....leere Räume wahr sein können. 
 
So sehe ich das ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:21pm
Messie
 
You have to learn one thing: Not every effort is useful Lean to make that difference and then come back. I guess by then you won't be here too often anymore.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:54pm
Unrepentant Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:01pm
Interesting post there, TBH. Reminds me of a connection I had years ago. He was a big, thuggish-looking dude who always had THE BEST bud, and his prices were reasonable. He "worked" from his rather large home in an upper middle class 'hood and kept traffic down by keeping you there for at least an hour or longer. Anyone who tried to rush him was subtly sent to the back of the line. Luckily for me, he was a good conversationalist and usually had amusing and interesting things to say.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:10pm
Seriously, Stone? Quoting George Carlin?  How about quoting someone around before a century ago?  If you idolize shallow people, you become shallow.  You quote Carlin, TBH quotes Pink Floyd.  This is why you both are shallow.  Try quoting the great thinkers our society is based upon.  Locke, Plato, Aristotle, Rousseau, Jefferson, Franklin, Cicero, Cato.
 
You both are like leaves, who don't know what tree they are on.  The worst part of it, Stone, is you constantly find it needful to lecture me on why I need to fit in with you. 
 
'If you don't know history, then you don't know anything. You are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree'
Michael Crichton.
 
Crichton understood history, unlike Carlin and Floyd.
 
It's bad enough, Stone, that you don't know history, it's worse that you insist on silencing those of us who have learned her lessons.  Normally, when you don't grasp a subject, it's wise to sit and listen.  It's foolish to keep jabbering when your grasp is tenuous at best.
Spartacus Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:20pm
Good article TBH.  I was not aware of this movie or story.
 
The left has moved from the more convenient social reforms to mandatory reforms under threat of social pain, name-calling, and cultural stigmas.  People are rebelling against this moral tyranny and moral bullying.  Hence, "get woke, go broke".
 
It has been said that every revolution is fed by empty stomachs.  Certainly true of the first Russian revolution.  Not so true today when most people never feel real hunger (I have felt that as a young man more times than I care to admit).  We are seeing very big changes (CNN has lost another 25% of its viewership in 2018).  These changes will be revolutionary but on a significantly longer timescale.  IMO
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:26pm
Quoting George Carlin?  How about quoting someone around before a century ago?
 
Hehe, you're some joke, bud. What are YOU quoting ? A 2000-year-old fairytale and think that's more recent than Carlin ? Ok, let me quote somebody who is older than your unproven heroes:
 
Ne Ander. He said, literally translated: I cannot speak, but I see. and the fact that I cannot speak prevents me to say bullshit before I thought about what I saw.
 
Ugauga.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:31pm
BTW Wisey: One can know history but when he's not able to draw conclusions from it and transport that knowledge into our era, he's just reciting.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:34pm
Umm, except the Bible isn't a fairytale, only to those who have never seriously studied themselves, history, or it.  It's very clear you've  never seriously studied history.  Too busy being entertained by scumbags like Carlin. 
 
Watever Ne Ander and Uguaga means, who knows! 
 
Prolly some pagan ideology.  You'd fit right in with the pagan Mayans or Aztecs.  You'd have no issues with human sacrifice. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:34pm
And Stone, you can't ever learn from something you don't know.  True, some know history, but not it's lessons, though I'm not in that number, however, exactly how can you actually learn from something you've never seriously pondered?  Inquiring minds want to  know?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:35pm
Watever Ne Ander and Uguaga means, who knows! 
 
How could I ever expect IMAGINATION from you LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:37pm
BTW: One who has no humour has no imagination. Thanks for confirming :-)
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:38pm
I deal with facts, and reality, and there is plenty of subject matter there.  When one ignores those two and invents fiction, how can they be taken seriously?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:44pm
You're getting weak, preacher. But let's leave it at that. Just think about it.
 
BTW TBH: Sorry, that I did let myself go and let myself be lured into an absolutely useless debate with Ryan IV. Erare humanum est. Ugauga.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:45pm
The man who sang the song 'Imagine' lived a debauched life, said he was greater than Jesus, and was murdered.  Said there was no heaven and no hell, exactly as a good Marxist would say.
 
Like every sin, the song sounded good, but in practice, it's hell.
Ian Thorpe Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:47pm
Most people I know are tolerant, what I find with lefties and liberals however, is they don't regard it as enough to tolerate, they would have us celebrate their 'minority-of-the week' campaigns. But wheras my friend Craig is one of the best, he'll do anything to help a person in need of help or Peter, a wise and cultured man was the best boss I ever had, some gay men are arseholes and I will not be told I have to like them because they are gay.
With religion, I can tolerate any beliefs no matter how crazy, so long as no abuse of vulnerable people is involved, but I refuse to respect crazy beliefs because someone tells me it is blasphemy to tell the truth about them.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:51pm
BTW:
 
how can you actually learn from something you've never seriously pondered?
 
By having an open mind. But I do really recommed you to discuss that matter with psychological experts. I'm sure there is a help line in your neighborhood or a competent person nearby.
Neil Lock Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:53pm
If this happened in the 1950s, maybe the car was a Ford Prefect :-)
 
Heh heh, this article has gone over the heads of those it was aimed at. And even of some of your friends, TBH. TexasLynn admits he is struggling, and Michael B. is still on the way. They'll both get there, no worries. "Read, mark, learn and digest," my friends. William has shown he understands, and Stone-Eater understands yet more.
 
It's interesting that we haven't yet had any comments from Opher, or anyone else on the "left."
Ryan Messano Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:59pm
Well, my mind is closed to garbage, Carlin, and filth, and I invite you to upgrade your mind as well.  You become what you think about, and allowing all filth in, like a sewer, leaves the mind looking like a garbage dump.
Dave Volek Added Jan 14, 2019 - 5:15pm
TBH
 
Great short story that makes an interesting comment on society. I think you need to bring this character back in more stories.
 
I always wondered that maybe we should just let businesses decide on who their customers should be.  I had a friend who was in business: he sent his bad customers to his competition. 
 
Katharine Otto Added Jan 14, 2019 - 6:41pm
TBH,
I'm not sure where the tolerance is in the above scenario, unless it's for the guy coming in reeking of reefer.  Nobody wanted to throw him out.
 
I wish you'd explained the connection to The Battleship Potemkin.  I suppose I could look it up, but I assume it's related to tolerance for Soviet propaganda?
Leroy Added Jan 14, 2019 - 7:03pm
There seems to be a powerful message in there somewhere.  I suppose we are all arseholes about something.  If you get rid of all the arseholes, there will be no one left.  Arseholes who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Jan 14, 2019 - 7:36pm
On a farm, ranch, one can't tolerate coyotes, hawks, weeds and weed trees. 
 
On the making of spaceships, tolerances are tight. Mechanical things only allow for SMALL tolerances. Too much, and the machine don't run. 
 
But to the "tolerance" in the article, what is described at the diner is the EROSION of standards. Tolerance there is the Erosion of standards---until none exist. 
Leroy Added Jan 14, 2019 - 7:43pm
A tolerance of +/- 0 excludes all. 
 
Believe it or not, but I have seen engineers request mechanical objects to be manufactured to that tolerance.  
Ward Tipton Added Jan 14, 2019 - 8:28pm
The esoteric and eclectic realm of the minds of madmen and geniuses ... a new take on an old verse, but very well played sir. Very well played indeed. 
Spartacus Added Jan 14, 2019 - 8:36pm
Believe it or not, but I have seen engineers request mechanical objects to be manufactured to that tolerance.  
 
. . . or made from unobtainium, Leroy. 
 
Usually, the good fab shops just laugh, ignore it, and make the part correctly.  The bad shops will delay the project another day to get an RFI submitted and answered.  It usually is not really a delay on their end -- they were late already and an RFI is just an excuse.  
I know how those games are played . . . all too well.
The Owl Added Jan 14, 2019 - 8:38pm
Ian, ironic isn't it that the left is as into "moral cleansing" as Ryan.
 
And their minds are equally as closed.
The Owl Added Jan 14, 2019 - 8:40pm
And Spartacus, many of the shops that submit an RFI submit a contract change memorandum at the same time.
 
The contract change is the profit in escrow.
Spartacus Added Jan 14, 2019 - 11:13pm
That too Owl.  Especially for material corrections. "Oh, we had to order more expensive material from a supplier in Argentina!"
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2019 - 11:55pm
The key to Potemkin: Odessa Steps
Bill H. Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:22am
Leave it to the Mess to Mess Up a great post!
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:32am
Owl and Spartacus - that reminds me of a funny story. In my professional travels I had occasion to sometimes be forced to meet with a buyer for a very large power company in the Northeast.  On one of these trips I was meeting with this woman in the company of a direct representative of a tool manufacturer. We were presenting a line of tools as an alternative to another supplier that was experiencing delivery problems. This buyer was responsible for a vast array of commodities - most of which she knew next to nothing about. She thus had a tendency to adhere very strictly to the literal descriptions provided in their system.  She had found a hang up on one item submitted because her specification required a tool which was made of " Chrome Vanadium Steel ". We were unable to meet this criteria with the existing offering so as a solution I calmly explained to her that due to the steel embargo of the Vanadians we would no longer be able to offer that as an option. I thought the factory guy was going to piss his pants
FacePalm Added Jan 15, 2019 - 6:44am
Ah, but were you able to maintain a straight face while the factory rep was losing it?
Did the woman catch on that you were pulling her leg?  If so, what was her reaction?  Laughter?  Anger?  Resentment?
 
As to the article, my (ok, almost my) first thought was "The art and definition of subtlety is having people realize what you mean after you leave."
 
"Ford" seems to have grasped the concept to the point of genius.
 
Seems like the owner of the diner was pretty good at assessing the zeitgeist right up until the banning of the MAGA guys, whereupon his "tolerance" resulted in the end of his income stream, at least from that business.  If this scenario happened in Montana, a rather conservative state where making America great is perceived by the majority as a Good Thing, he shoulda knowed better.
 
i'm being reminded of a citation in re: tolerance:
 
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
-- Frederick Douglass, [Frederick Baily] (1818-1895), escaped slave, Abolitionist, author, editor of the North Star and later the New National Era, August 4, 1857
 
...and another, like unto it:
 
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
-- Thomas Jefferson(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
 
i once got into an argument with a gal who insisted (she was an immigrant, from Somalia or someplace) that "This is America!  i can say whatever i want!"
I replied, "Yeah, as long as you're willing to take the consequences for being a dumbass!"
 
She was drunk, though, so i didn't bother to go into detail in re: the Right to Free Speech being something that GOV'T agents can't lawfully screw with, and it wouldn't be applicable to any private owner of any business.
 
It's a good thing, too, that a certain poster isn't within punching distance, or his face would be demonstrating many bruises by now, some new, raw, and puffy, others in various stages of healing from past encounters, albeit quite colorful in various shades of green, yellow, magenta, and purple.
opher goodwin Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:08am
Nicely written Burger - but I still preach tolerance.
TexasLynn Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:25am
Opher G >> Nicely written Burger - but I still preach tolerance.
 
Autumn... Dino has hacked Opher's account. :)
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:00am
"Autumn... Dino has hacked Opher's account. :)"
 
Good catch, Lynn!  We all know Opher is tolerant of those with whom he agrees.  But tolerant?  No way.
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:03am
The more I think about it, the diner owner must have been Opher.
Ian Thorpe Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:29am
Owl. In comment threads I've sometimes used the line, "We should tolerate everything except intolerance," but never hung around long enough to find out how many people caught the irony.
opher goodwin Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:31am
Leroy - really!! I take offense. I'm the most tolerant person around. I just don't tolerate racism, sexism, homophobia, political extremism, radical religious nutcases, indoctrination of children, violence, paedophilia, obscene inequality, warmongering, nationalism, patriotism, misogyny, bigotry, cruelty to animals, environmental destruction, indoctrination, propaganda, injustice, unfairness, and a few other things!
Apart from those few - which I reserve the right to loudly oppose - I tolerate everything and everyone! You don't get much more tolerant than that!
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:25am
I assume you are being sarcastic, Opher.  If not, you prove my point.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:00am
"You know there's only two types of people in this world I can't stand: those who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch!"
 
Sir Nigel Powers, MBE
from the documentary film Goldmember
 
 
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:09am
Agreed. Eisenstein was pretty trippy.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:13am
I know...can you imagine the honor? Congratulations, Comrade Eisenstien! Instead of Siberia you will be making films for Chairman Stalin!
 
That would had to have been about as unsettling news as learning that you are about to be Trump's next Press Secretary :)
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:21am
I can hear Uncle Joe now: "Sergei, you better fucking make me look TALL, or I will start by making you eat your fucking shoelaces for dinner. Cold shoelaces. Really, really fucking COLD shoelaces."
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:29am
Face -  in years spent in a "people" business I unfortunately never did learn to suffer fools gladly, but I did learn how to be around them and keep a straight face. Had the factory man not been there I'm confident I could have pulled it off: she just wasn't that curious. Sadly this is the case with most people you meet :) It ended up being a good joke that was not really intended as a joke. We still found a way to make the old gal happy 
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:37am
TBH, it just occurred to me that your post is very Thurber-esque. My favorite Thurber story is "The Catbird Seat", but you post reminded me of this one for some reason:
 
The Peacelike Mongoose
 
In cobra country a mongoose was born one day who didn't want to fight cobras or anything else. The word spread from mongoose to mongoose that there was a mongoose who didn't want to fight cobras. If he didn't want to fight anything else, it was his own business, but it was the duty of every mongoose to kill cobras or be killed by cobras.
"Why?" asked the peacelike mongoose, and the word went around that the strange new mongoose was not only pro-cobra and anti-mongoose but intellectually curious and against the ideals and traditions of mongooism.
"He is crazy," cried the young mongoose's father.
"He is sick," said his mother.
"He is a coward," shouted his brothers.
"He is a mongoosexual," whispered his sisters.
Strangers who had never laid eyes on the peacelike mongoose remembered that they had seen him crawling on his stomach, or trying on cobra hoods, or plotting the violent overthrow of Mongoosia.
"I am trying to use reason and intelligence," said the strange new mongoose.
"Reason is six-sevenths of treason," said one of his neighbors.
"Intelligence is what the enemy uses," said another.
Finally, the rumor spread that the mongoose had venom in his sting, like a cobra, and he was tried, convicted by a show of paws, and condemned to banishment.
 
Moral: Ashes to ashes, and clay to clay, if the enemy doesn't get you your own folks may.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:40am
Another Buckeye, Mr. Thrurber :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:41am
Thurber, sorry
FacePalm Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:46am
TBH-
Still - it was brilliant repartee, especially if off the cuff.
 
i seem to be one of those guys whose repertoire consists of "oh yeah?"  ...until i have anywhere from half an hour to a week to think about what i SHOULD have said.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:59am
This article really has produced a lot of twists and turns :-)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:14pm
The art of sales is always knowing what to say and especially knowing when not to say it :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:18pm
It is an utterly reprehensible way to make a living. I know because I did it :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:19pm
and 3,2, 1....here comes the rev.....
FacePalm Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:35pm
TBH-
i think i recall Benjamin Franklin saying something like "The art of diplomacy is not only saying the right thing at the right time, but also refraining from saying the witty thing at the opportune moment," though i believe that one or more words from the preceding isn't quite right.
 
Some people just serve you a slow one straight over the plate, one you can knock out of the park with little trouble.  3,2,1...
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:37pm
Who's the rev ? There's no rav here. Only a religious zealot.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:40pm
Isn't RYAN abbreviation of "Ready Your Ass Now" ? Hm....I am indeed troubled by the English language.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:44pm
Face
 
I think diplomacy is first of all listening. Ego-driven people are rarely good diplomats.....
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:47pm
@ Stone - good one, and probably the most appropriate, lol, Insurance and real estate agents are among the scum de la scum of the world as far as I'm concerned, and Rev. Cumbutt is one of those I believe.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:48pm
And we, Stone, are likewise troubled by the Swiss. I mean there you are, well armed, defensible position, speak German....all the right ingredients there to cash in big time, twice in the same century, and what do you do? <Sigh> That's what happens when you let the French in  :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:50pm
A Swiss master race would assail us with armies of bank officers in smart suits, bearing chocolates and precision timepieces
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:51pm
:) it aint easy being cheesy :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:52pm
We tolerate you all the same :)
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:58pm
HEAVEN is where:
The police are British
The chefs are Italian
The mechanics are German
The lovers are French
and it's all organized by the Swiss
 
HELL is where:
The police are German
The chefs are British
The mechanics are French
The lovers are Swiss
and it's all organized by the Italians!!
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:59pm
A Swiss master race would assail us with armies of bank officers in smart suits, bearing chocolates and precision timepieces
 
LOOOL How boring. True, we are a boring people. Yawn guys, mostly. Agreed :-)
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:02pm
BTW: But then....we're very smart. We build precision watches. Why ? Because it's easier to know what time it is than to figure out how to use that time in a really productive way....
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:03pm
You libertines on WB are dying out.  TBH, Stone, Michael B., and the hypocrite Facepalm are the leading ones left.  Everyone with sense and decency despises you, and your only weapons are lies, filth, and vulgarity, which you wield with impunity, to disguise the deformed intellects your lusts have diseased you with. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:04pm
Before I came on WB, you kind of melded in, and weren't readily visible, but now, you are exposed for all your hideous ugliness. 
opher goodwin Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:05pm
Leroy - what? Sarcasm? No - I prove your point. I am the most tolerant person on WB! Once we've educated all the shits who are intolerant the world will be a great place!
opher goodwin Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:05pm
Michael - that is very good!
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:06pm
Like a monkey who clings to shiny object in an African Trap, and refuses to let go to take his hand out of a trap, before the hunters come and beat him to death, so you libertines cling to your lusts, as the hunter of justice comes upon you and destroys the potential you all had and have.  Very tragic.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:06pm
Messie
 
don't mess with me, because you won't get anywhere, believe me. BTW:
 
TBH, Stone, Michael B., and the hypocrite Facepalm are the leading ones left.  Everyone with sense and decency despises you
 
Please do copy and paste the telephone directory to make a good impression. 4 people are not enough to fill a church.
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:07pm
The U.S. liberal version:
 
HEAVEN is where:
The police are black
The chefs are brown
The mechanics are white
The lovers are mixed
And it’s all organized by the yellows
 
HELL is where:
The police are brown
The chefs are black
The mechanics are yellow
The lovers are white
And it’s all organized by the mixed
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:08pm
Michael
 
You may be right with Swiss lovers. But compared to R.Y.A.N. we're high up on the scale LOL
FacePalm Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:13pm
Stone-
I think diplomacy is first of all listening.
 
A rather clichéd version goes like this:
"Diplomacy is saying, "Nice doggie!  Nice doggie!" until you find a brick...or a stick.
Teddy Roosevelt - the only good one, as far as i'm concerned - said to "Speak softly, and carry a big stick."  But he was alive during the period of time known as "gunboat diplomacy," which was the naked threat of using overwhelming force to carry the day.
 
Unfortunately for the world, gunboats have escalated to nukes.
 
What i was concerned about during both the presidencies of the Shrub AND D'OhBama was that they'd drop a nuke on some American city, claim "da mooslums did it," and start wiping out other countries, or implementing the kind of martial law which would involve rounding up Citizens, taking their arms, and putting them in camps - because history has a bad habit of repeating itself, and the many wars the US has launched may well be chickens coming home to roost before too much longer.
 
"God who gave us life gave us liberty.  And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men that these liberties are the gift of God?  That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?  Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."
-- Thomas Jefferson(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
 
As best i recall, Jefferson wrote this in reference to slavery, but it applies equally well to dropping a lot of bombs and missiles on people in "other" countries, i believe.  When Jefferson wrote that "All men are created equal," he most certainly was not referring to "only Americans."  Neither was the 8th Amendment - the prohibition upon "cruel or unusual punishment"(aka torture) - meant to apply only to Americans, either, but is binding upon ALL sworn public employees, including the military(or maybe, especially them, since they're usually on the front lines).  Unfortunately, many courts have ruled that the Constitution ONLY applies to Americans, and that "foreigners" should not expect Americans to NOT torture them, despite their Oaths of Office.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:14pm
Michael
 
That "liberal" version sounds like a English breakfast compared to an Indian curry LOL
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:15pm
Well rev it is fortunate for us then that there are so few here with any decency. You seem to have a corner on it all.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:16pm
Like a monkey who clings to shiny object in an African Trap, and refuses to let go to take his hand out of a trap, before the hunters come and beat him to death, so you libertines cling to your lusts, as the hunter of justice comes upon you and destroys the potential you all had and have.
 
WOW ! Shake's spear no ? But wrong entrance.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:18pm
Why are you quoting Teddy Roosevelt, Facepalm?  He despised libertines.  If you admire those from the past so much, at least try to practice the virtues they practiced to attain wisdom.  Or else your admiration is in vain.
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:18pm
Rev. Cumbutt, I'm surprised that you have lasted this long. One of those big, giant butch fags will get tired of your treachery and duplicity one day and beat you to death, but not before he gets in one last fuck, lol. People usually hate few things more than betrayal, which you routinely do to your rim-jobbing brethren, lol.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:21pm
Face
 
Sounds quite logical for that time. Thanks for that info !
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:27pm
Messie
 
He despised libertines.
 
Absolutely untrue. He didn't know them. Please do inform yourself a bit better.
 
The Libertines -- What a waster
 
Don't feel ashamed. You can go into the corner later.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:28pm
Hey Michael, you lousy degenerate lecher, try to come up with cogent arguments. 
 
You don't harm me with your behavior, try to get that through your thick head.  You only harm yourself.  It is impossible to treat another as you libertines are doing on here as disgracefully as you do, and to avoid the terrible peril the laws of the universe demand place you. 
 
You may think it's funny, but you won't be laughing when it comes time to pay the piper.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:30pm
Have you already forgotten, Michael?  We initially clashed, and when you were soundly thrashed, you obtained a grudging respect, and now have lapsed back into your libertine ways. 
 
Your first post on here was one about how women were trash.  You can't respect yourself, so  how can you respect women.   You are back at your old game, calling for women to be prostituted.  Learn to respect yourself first, then you'll have women respect you.
TexasLynn Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:32pm
Michael B >> The U.S. liberal version:... Hell... The chefs are black
 
The "liberals" who came up with this list have obviously missed out on some good ole' Soul Food.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:32pm
Hey Michael B! Thats some good advice there! You won't get better relationship advice from a more credible source anywhere but here, on WB :) LOL
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:34pm
Ryan, the only thing you thrash besides your religion are underage rectums, lol.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:36pm
Messie
 
Another error.
 
The piper at the gates of dawn
 
You're standing at the gates, and the piper awaits you. I know, I don't have too many pennies, but I'm
 
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20900000/Pennywise-pennywise-20908060-2560-1920.jpg
 
Hush. hush, Sweet Charlotte. A corner is the ideal place to pray.
TexasLynn Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:37pm
Leroy >> I assume you are being sarcastic, Opher.
 
I assumed you were being sarcastic in assuming Opher was being sarcastic. :)
 
Opher does indeed epitomize the left's definition of "tolerance"... proving your point. 
 
Those of us who are not woke had better stick together in the face of leftist tolerance... or we shall surely hang separately.  
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:41pm
 
Interesting, Stone.  Every reasonable statement in accord with nature, and your mind reverts to sordid pop culture.  It's the dumbing down of the world.  The plutocrats want a world of corrupt mindless drones they can easily control.  With men like you around, it's not hard at all.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:41pm
Can you utter a sentence without the Michka disease infecting it, Michael B?
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:44pm
Yes, Rev. Cumbutt I can, but with a cum stain like you, why fucking bother? Shouldn't you be busy denying a gay immigrant insurance coverage, unless he gives up his butthole for you? LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:50pm
Messie
 
Every reasonable statement in accord with nature, and your mind reverts to sordid pop culture
 
You should know PINK Floyd. That color is quite popular (pop) in your dark piper realms where Lucifer roams the streets and fights VIRTUE LOL
 
BTW: When you happen to be in the corner ask god if he likes humor. And listen to that voice coming and saying: Bro, ain't you gonna stop this shit and try to get along with your brothers I created for you to be happy with ?
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:54pm
Actually, Rev. Cumbutt was featured in this:
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/15800-Some-Unfriendly-Commerce
 
Judging from the number of views, it must have been linked somewhere else.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:54pm
Michka and Michael B., virtually no difference.  Two deformed intellects, and champion libertines. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:56pm
The sad thing isn't Michael B's and Michka's behavior, it's that the rest of the crowd sit's silently, and won't condemn it, or actually approves of it.  In a healthy society, Michael B. would be widely denounced.  Ken had the courage to speak up, where are the rest of the virtuous and courageous ones.  You can't expect corrupt cowards like Stone to object.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 1:57pm
Messie
 
Stop talking about people who aren't here, will ya ? Didn't your mommy tell you that ?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:03pm
Michael
 
Impossible. When you're always forced into the corner due to irrational behavior, how can you ever get into a resto with other people and leave a tip like that ?
 
But maybe that's the "Ebony and Ivory" syndrome.
 
I'm sure that Mr. Pennypreach knows more.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:08pm
It's a good idea to fuck a black guy at night when you're a white guy. Because god doesn't see it when it's dark LOL
 
(Sorry, absolutely tasteless, I know. I will hurry up on Sunday and deliver my truckload of sins at the church door. Because the door is too small to carry it inside in time).
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:08pm
I found the delightful characters of Michael B., TBH, and Stone in 'Les Miserables'.  Enjoy. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:22pm
Je ne savais pas qu'un imbecile comme toi comprends le Français. You know, miserable in French doesn't quite mean the same in English. But of course that's not written on the walls of your corner.
 
BTW: The discussion about how religion influenced Hugo to it or how much poverty played an important role can't be discussed today. Your problem is by sitting in the corner you miss to set history in context to what happens today. Each time has its own values and views, and that changes. You will never understand that one can't apply a bible to today 1:1.
 
You're like the parent which stubbornly refuses to accept that his kid lives and perceives the world differently than him.
 
And that makes you not only intolerant, but also makes you bitter and frustrated. I bet that you're about 30 years younger than me, but you have the mind of a 90-year old who...
 
...sat in the corner most of the time.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:30pm
 
This will come as a shock to you, Stone, but history and human nature never change.  I wonder when you will realize this, if ever.  How many of your liberal idols will have to be destroyed on WB, before you realize the foundation of your beliefs are myths?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:36pm
Messie
 
One last time:
 
If you have some brain cells left which serve other than make your body function, try to ask yourself ONE question:
 
Why is it that so many people are against me and so little approve ? A mentally sane person THINKS and considers: 
 
Maybe I AM WRONG.
 
Either you don't have the brains to get out of your prefabricated loop, or....I don't know.
 
Ich kann das nicht nachvollziehen.
 
And that's it. Now go on with the rest of the gang.
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:41pm
"I assumed you were being sarcastic in assuming Opher was being sarcastic. :)"
 
You know me too well, Lynnn...lol.
 
"Opher does indeed epitomize the left's definition of "tolerance"... proving your point."
 
 I do believe that the latest Gillette commercial was designed for Opher.
 
"Those of us who are not woke had better stick together in the face of leftist tolerance... or we shall surely hang separately."
 
If the left gets anymore tolerant, it will be deja vu all over again.
Unrepentant Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:45pm
Rev. Cumbutt reminds me of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons, and one of the few people in history I know of that made people so mad, they actually BROKE INTO the jail Smith was being held in to kill him. In addition to his other bullshit, they were tired of Big Daddy Smith constantly trying to fuck their wives. With Rev. Cumbutt, they would have to worry about their boys, lol.
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:47pm
"You're like the parent which stubbornly refuses to accept that his kid lives and perceives the world differently than him.
 
And that makes you not only intolerant, but also makes you bitter and frustrated. I bet that you're about 30 years younger than me, but you have the mind of a 90-year old who..."
 
Maybe he is more like Inspector Javert. Let's hope he has a better ending.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 3:30pm
Stone: Why is it that so many people are against me and so little approve ? A mentally sane person THINKS and considers: 
 
Maybe I AM WRONG.
 
Stone, that is an appeal to popular logical fallacy.  Things aren't right and wrong based on how many people agree or disagree with them.  When are you going to learn to THINK without logical fallacies?
 
Wow, Jeff Michka appears to have resurrected as Michael B.
 
Michka has been absent lately, and has apparently invaded Michael B's brain.
 
It's alright Michael B.  You'll be ok.  Read the Bible and history books, that will drive the evil Michka spirit away.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 3:36pm
...........................
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 3:52pm
Now that you have taken up so much fucking space on here rev, would you care to offer your thoughts on tolerance? Or what you think the story says? Something perhaps even remotely relevant to the topic? I'm pretty flexible with what goes on in my threads, but for the amount of time and ink you waste you should have something on topic. Otherwise why risk offending your delicate sensibilities? You know the more you bitch the worse I'll get. I have a lot of time and an almost limitless supply of green. Amuse me punk
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:16pm
Sure do, though you probably won't like it.  TBH, TBH, you are to be commended and not deleting like that snowflake Michael  B. 
 
 
Be careful what you ask for.
 
“Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society. When an immoral society has blatantly and proudly violated all the commandments, it insists upon one last virtue, tolerance for its immorality. It will not tolerate condemnation of its perversions. It creates a whole new world in which only the intolerant critic of intolerable evil is evil.”
Hutton Gibson+
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:24pm
Ok, well I gave you until my official 4:20 observance and? Yeah, that's what I thought. Outside of your little script ya got nothin punk. Go preach to the seagulls
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:30pm
 
There are no real new ideas, outside of that hazy delusion you get in the pot smoke.  The greatest ideas were already spoken.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:33pm
Thats all ya got? Well, at least it was brief. For once. Thanks for playing Poke a Pillock. Michael B? Tell our contestant what he's won please :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:40pm
To everyone else - thank you for reading and your comments. It has been said countless times that a picture can speak a thousand words. One of the greatest illustrations of the blind hypocrisy of these people comes from two side by side images depicting the same girl. She looks like a 20 something JAP from Connecticut, living on mommy and daddy's money and doing everything she can to piss them off. Unwashed, matted dreads....you get the image. One picture shows her at a protest for BLM with a handmade sign reading All Cops are Racist. The picture next shows same girl, same clothes, different date and at a gun control rally. There she is holding up another handmade sign reading Only Cops should have Guns
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:40pm
Yes, your ideas are cultivated with the attention span of a hummingbird.  Briefness is required to avoid wisdom's depths.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:43pm
The word is brevity you fucking dunce
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:44pm
There, see? That is me being intolerant of your ignorance
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:47pm
I considered the word, and didn't want to use it.  I arbitrarily decided on briefness, but now you are straining at gnats and swallowing camels.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:48pm
I think you've swallowed too much camel jizz
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:51pm
And we have exhausted your intellect, and you are back to your basic animal instincts.  You lasted longer than Michael B., though you couldn't avoid profanity.  When you've learned to avoid profanity and obscenity, kid, then come and debate with the grown ups.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:56pm
When you are allowed at the grown up table you can extend that invitation, but thanks anyway. Everything is not a debate. You're confusing it with your other favorite hobby. It also ends in -bate
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:58pm
It's hard to keep your mind out of the gutter for long.  When someone doesn't go there with you, you are hopelessly outclassed.
 
Anyhow, have fun in the vile sewer you seem to enjoy.  What a miserable and wretched place to live, in that filthy mind of yours.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:59pm
No wonder you use pot.  I'd probably do it too if my mind was as dirty as yours.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 15, 2019 - 5:04pm
No, rev, I smoke pot precisely because of people like you. It is the only thing that keeps me stable enough to keep from just shooting people like you in the forehead and then doing the tequila dance in your brain matter. Assuming there'd be any :)
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 5:13pm
Wat a fake conservative you are.  No one makes us do anything.  Our response to others and our circumstances reveal who we truly are.  Those who are real with themselves often reveal uncomfortable truths to others. 
 
That's why I hate pot, it makes people lose their mind.  Threatening to shoot someone is the sign of a sick person.
Bill H. Added Jan 15, 2019 - 5:40pm
 
Ryan appears to be a classic case of Asperger's Syndrome. Watching his Vallejo City Council videos when he gets into an uncontrollable rage pretty much verified this for me. Read the supplied link and tell me what you think.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 5:45pm
The usual nonsense from Bill H.  You see one video of me, understand absolutely nothing of human history, or the history of the video you watched, and you want to start diagnosing me with disorders.  LOLOLOLOL.  You liberals are so easy to deceive, and so naïve and gullible.  NO WONDER WHY YOU SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS.
Bill H. Added Jan 15, 2019 - 5:49pm
Ryan, watch the video and read the link. Even you may agree!
Who said I support the Democrats? I support neither dysfunctional party.
I've seen at least 3 videos of your charades and encounters on YouTube, thanks to links provided here on WB.
If in fact you are afflicted with AS, I feel sorry for you.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 6:00pm
I read it, Bill H., I'm far from that.  Righteous indignation over a moral outrage is NOT Aspergers, LOL. 
 
Save your sympathy for someone with AS. 
 
You constantly parrot Democrat talking points.  You don't understand the Russia collusion nonsense is a huge hoax.  It's very sad.  You ought to be telling me it's a hoax, not the other way around.
opher goodwin Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:35pm
Tex/Leroy - yes - let's stone the racists to death, lock up the intolerant and clear the world of misogynists.
Or should we tolerate them? Give them support and feel sorry for them? Give them sympathy and treatment?
I'm confused. What would George Carling do?
Free Speech - One Each! 
Jeff Michka Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:12pm
Hmmm.  Well, Domesday Book wrote and interesting tome, and since it worked Lyin Ryan into mouth foaming, it has to be good.  And seems Michael B has noted Ryan's failure to acknowledge Vinny.  Ryan's enlarged, cum lubed ass comes through in all his comments here, nothing to do with observations on tolerance.  And Ryan is doing Trumpist victory laps. thinking he's chased all liberals save a few off WB, confirming his "goal."  Next, Lyin Ryan will try and move you cryptofascists and Trumpist off to his website.  Ryan kept coming back to WB because he got banned everywhere else for his sanctimonious crapola, now he's fishing for users.  Geezus this and that, the bloody savior hidden in your hat...if not there, in your lap.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:18pm
Thank you Jeff, You are representing the deranged and evil left quite well.  Keep it up!!  You are destroying the credibility of anyone who refuses to call you out or who tolerates you. 
 
In a normal world, evil foolish types like you are beaten and avoided, despised and reviled.  In a corrupt world, you are....what's the word...TBH....'tolerated'.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:44pm
Vinny needs to ram you until you bleed, the new turds, almost due be damned.  How many times did your shipmates beat you for grabbing their johnsons in the head, and throw you into a torpedo tube, Lyin Ryan?
TexasLynn Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:57pm
Opher >> yes - let's stone... lock up... clear the world...
 
Heil Opher!   Heil Opher!   Heil Opher! :)
 
Nothing new under the sun...
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:00pm
You see, Texas, Jeff is officially my troll. 
 
He is doing my bidding, and like a good puppet, he lies and uses obscenity on demand. 
 
All you have to do is attack him, and he responds by showing WB how utterly repulsive the left is.
 
When I used to go to Marine World, I wondered how those trainers trained the Killer Whales.  With Jeff, I think I've mastered it.  
 
If people behave like brute beasts in private, they are easy to manipulate in public into positions least favorable to themselves.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:13pm
Oh, Ryan trying to be clever, thinking TraitorLyn is off my shitlist.  Traitorlynn is still a treasonable asshole, hiding as a human, and much like you, Ryan, All you've done is troll me since I came to WB.  You've not mastered anything cornhole, let alone me.  You just wanted to have sex with me Ryan.  And that's a big NO.  You sorry excuse.  Your anger with me was reinforced by your electoral defeat, a bit of that defeat at my hands, but using your words.  You can't have your hate fests and figure people in Vallejo won't hear about them.  Hey, big time politico...you can't have utter contempt for over half of the people that vote, have it become public knowledge and win, EVEN IF LINDSAY WHEELER LOVES YOU..  LOL.
TexasLynn Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:14pm
Ryan >> You see, Texas, Jeff is officially my troll. 
 
You're gonna make me cry.  :)
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:21pm
Try to contain yourself, Texas:).  I  know this is quite heartbreaking, but I earned the right to have Jeff as my troll:).  He's a darned good troll, I have to admit, the best troll in the world anyone can have for free.  If you want to make your side look good, and have the opposition hurl the most disgusting language and lies at you, the Michka troll is the best there is available. 
 
I was talking to Vlad Putin the other day, and he was telling me how he envied the Jeff Michka troll.  Said he would give the world to have one of his own.  I told him I considered myself blessed, and was not prepared to part with my personal troll.
Leroy Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:28pm
"Tex/Leroy - yes - let's stone the racists to death, lock up the intolerant and clear the world of misogynists.
Or should we tolerate them? Give them support and feel sorry for them? Give them sympathy and treatment?"
 
Opher, let me tell you a story.  Once upon a time, I worked in France.  I lived in a compound with people from all over the world, except Asia.  There was a guy from Nigeria there--a friendly guy.  When it came time for him to leave, he asked for our contact information so he could stay in touch.  We exchanged information.  He wasn't sure that he would see another colleague before he left, so he asked me to ask him for his contact information.  They seemed to be on the best of terms.  He used to give the Nigerian guy a lift to work every morning.  I was shocked by his response when I asked for his contact information on behalf of the Nigerian guy, "I'm not going to give that black son of a bitch my contact information."  Puzzled, I asked why, since they seemed to get along so well.  He explained, "I don't like black people.  I don't associate with black people in my free time.  As my colleague, he deserves my respect.  Outside of work, I don't want nothing to do with him.  I don't want that black son of a bitch contacting me."  Other than being a racist, he was a first-rate guy.  I thought about it.  "Ok.  I can accept that," I thought to myself.  We remained friends.  He was kind enough to send me photos of our experiences.  I felt no desire to stone him for his beliefs.  I suppose that is the difference between us.
 
There was another guy there that was an arsehole.  He bitterly complained about everything.  He reported the Spaniards for parting all night long every night.  The straw that broke the camels back was when he complained about the songbirds chirping outside his windows.  He was a weird guy.  Had this thing about small roads.  I liked to squeal the tires as I was going around the sharp curves so I could watch him turn green.  I accepted him for what he was.  He was one of four that went out exploring most every weekend.  I didn't stone him either, although I might have felt like it.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:47pm
OOOOOH!!! I'm sooooooo angry at Ryan....*STOMP* *STOMP* *BANGING FISTS ON DESK*  He is so clever and I'M SO MAD!!  I'm so mad I'll leave WB, of course.  Both Traitor and Geezus have over inflate opinions of themselves and actually think this will shut me up about TraitorLynn's treasons and sanctimonious Ryan,s abuse of most people here.  Autumn may simply love you, but other than a couple of other WB fascists, nobody is going "I agree with you guys."  Nobody of note, save Lindsay Wheeler.  An ol Traitor still thinks he's a big deal here 'cause he can still tell Autumn what she should do.  Don't hurt yourselves too badly patting yourselves on the back when I 'm "not here."  Unlike the bigtime Texan mouth and coward's Geezus, I  have a life and a lot to do before I leave the States.  As much as I love this country and where I live, it's time to go.  Save your "jeff's gone" party for when I leave.  I'm still here.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:54pm
Whoa!!  More Winning!!  Jeff is leaving 'Merica!! 
Stay away until you learn the Constitution, please!!!
 
If you loved America, you'd approve of Trump, you don't, so you don't.  Texas is a far greater patriot than any leftist on here, and indeed, America would be a better place if everyone had his ideals.  If everyone talked like you, Jeff, we'd be a mess.  All that lying and profanity was great advertising to scare every sane soul away from the left.
 
TexasLynn Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:37pm
The Michka >> An ol Traitor still thinks he's a big deal here 'cause he can still tell Autumn what she should do.
 
LMAO... I know, right?  I'm practically running this joint and everybody still thinks Autumn is in control.  She is doing my bidding on a daily basis... which must mean I still want Michka around... else he'd be toast.
 
You're welcome by the way.
 
The Michka >> Don't hurt yourselves too badly patting yourselves on the back when I 'm "not here." 
 
How can we miss you if you won't leave... :P
 
The Michka >> I have a life and a lot to do before I leave the States.
 
I can only imagine that "life".  Sitting under that bridge... yelling at passers-by... watching %$#@ and syringes float in the stagnant water...
 
The Michka >> As much as I love this country and where I live, it's time to go.
 
Bene da!  :)
 
The Michka >> Save your "jeff's gone" party for when I leave.  I'm still here.
 
Where's the fun in that?  We've got months to poke you dumb ass with a stick and watch the mouth frothing, poo pitching Michka show. :)
TexasLynn Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:42pm
Leroy >>  I felt no desire to stone him for his beliefs.
 
You fascist bastard!  Not knowing who to stone, why or when...  can't you be more like benevolent, tolerant, Opher Goodwin?
Bill H. Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:42pm
 
Ryan - Realize, absorb, and react.
Denying will only make it worse.
Flying Junior Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:47pm
Marijuana is less fun when you have a tolerance.
Unrepentant Added Jan 16, 2019 - 3:36am
Michael B? Tell our contestant what he's won please :)
 
Well TBH, it depends on which door he picks. Behind Door #1 is...an all-expenses-paid trip to...the Siwa Oasis!!! Nestled in beautiful Egypt, the Siwa Oasis is a Saharan Desert paradise also known for being GAY! Being in an isolated and desolate world, the same people that brought us the bible have been happily and merrily GAY for thousands of years. Behind Door #2 is...a weekend in Hayden Lake, Idaho with the Nazi wing of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association, or his preferred definition of that, which is Nasty Asshole Molesting Before Legal Age. Behind Door #3 is...a back door, which I would THOROUGHLY ENJOY kicking his fucking ass out of! LOL
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 16, 2019 - 4:23am
FJ -  seriously dude. Where are you getting your drugs?
Unrepentant Added Jan 16, 2019 - 4:47am
What tolerance? I gotta admit, I think I went a little too far on the edibles recently...lime-green piss is usually a sign, lol. Back to smoking, currently Headstash-Rock OG-Blackjack; who says that I don't promote diversity?!?
opher goodwin Added Jan 16, 2019 - 7:17am
Leroy - thanks for your stories. I can relate to both of them. People are complex and we're all weird in one way or another - especially those who don't think they are.
 
opher goodwin Added Jan 16, 2019 - 7:20am
On a serious note regarding tolerance (away from the sarcasm and humour). What should be the response to these things?
Should we tolerate racism, violence or misogyny? Or should we challenge it?
Isn't it really a case of getting along with people, accepting them, but challenging behaviour or attitudes you find offensive and making sure they understand that you don't approve?
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 16, 2019 - 8:33am
Opher it is one thing to speak against or to expose the weakness in the position. It is another matter entirely to attempt to silence their voices. I would submit that doing so is counter to your stated purpose. Then you end up with imbeciles like the rev whose STATED PURPOSE is to run off any opposing thought. We can all see how well that is working. 
opher goodwin Added Jan 16, 2019 - 8:57am
Burger - I agree. I am all for giving extremists a platform so that their views can be properly examined and exposed and opposed. 
As you know I have always had a policy of leaving even the most abusive responses up on my threads and have spoken up against posts that I find offensive. I have never asked for anyone to be banned or for their responses to be censored.
However it is a complex issue. The one exception I have decided to make is regarding the brainwashed child. His moronic comments were deliberately disruptive and rude. Not only did they not contribute but they are deliberately geared to spoiling the flow of debate and driving people off from debating. Hence I now have a policy of eradicating him from my posts.
Unrepentant Added Jan 16, 2019 - 9:22am
Gopher, if you're NOT an extremist, then there's no such thing. As I said before, you're the Rev in reverse, with emphasis on reverse, not to mention retarded, which both of you are, in your own signature ways, lol.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 16, 2019 - 9:28am
I tolerate him because he makes a lot of my points for me. And i think he craves the abuse. Otherwise why would he still have an interest in visiting an article by a self avowed anarchist drug using profane fornicating hedonist like me?
opher goodwin Added Jan 16, 2019 - 9:55am
Lol BSL, well I am extreme on some things. 
Love your avatar BTW - you've certainly managed to make me a lot more handsome than I really am. I've borrowed it for my plastic surgeon. I'm not sure he's got the skills though. Shame.
opher goodwin Added Jan 16, 2019 - 9:58am
Burger - I decided it wasn't worth the effort. He certainly has that masochistic personality though. I think you are right about the abuse. It fuels him. I think he's a victim of his upbringing really. I feel quite sorry for him. But then he is a stupid annoying cretin.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:33am
Hey! Stupid annoying cretins need love too, Opher. But they gotta pay for it! Every hole has its price 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:45am
Marijuana is less fun when you have a tolerance.
 
That's true ;-) On the other hand without tolerance you don't get that tolerance LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:50am
BTW: I miss the time when we used to harvest naturally grown weed in plastic bags and got a run on it from Friday to Monday, pure grass without adding tobacco. That indoor stuff is way too strong and lifts me off my shoes. That's also why I gave it up long ago.
opher goodwin Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:57am
Burger - I'll leave that to you! Too much love would make him sore!
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 16, 2019 - 2:43pm
If anyone still happens to be paying any attention on this thread I will muse on a bit further on the subject of tolerance. 
 
It is often said that at holidays when family is gathered one ought not discuss religion or politics. I agree and disagree at once. 
 
Religion or faith (not the same thing exactly, but certainly related) is the count upon which I agree. Faith should be respected. That does not mean embraced: one can still reject it's premise and respect the individual who holds the faith. This is that unspoken in the empty space which my friend Stone referred to above. That is tolerance....that vast gulf between respect and embrace.
 
An individual's faith is a personal,spiritual matter. They are free to share it as any of us are free to say " uh, no thanks".  There are some contributors here who are dedicated christians. I may not agree with their belief, yet we still hold a great deal of common interest. It is in both our best interest's to safeguard that freedom of conscience for one another.
 
Politics? That is another matter. What can and often does affect all of us is fair game as far as I'm concerned. With some people their politics is a substitute for their faith. There is little point in discussing anything with these. 
Jeff Michka Added Jan 16, 2019 - 5:12pm
Gee...in one thread I have to go through this twice:  *STOMP* *STOMP* *BANG* *BANG* I'm so angry at TraitoLynn's attempt at being witty.  He must have run out of neoconfederate bumperstickers, and does realize phony "patriots" like him have made America a laughing stock of the world, and because he thinks everyone listens to him because he's "Mr. IT" shape his ego.  It was fun thinking how that mouth turned down when Autumn did buy into your advice.  That little potscrubber head frowning is a very amusing image.  I'll be coming back to the States when/if you try your confederate crap to volunteer to fight you at your barricades, but that's unlikely.  You'll never do it because it will have consequences, and down under the surface, you're basically a coward, TraitorLynn...all hat, no cattle. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 16, 2019 - 5:36pm
The Michka >>  I'm so angry at TraitoLynn's attempt at being witty. 
 
Attempt?  Attempt!?  I was hilarious.
 
How dare you not see that... *STOMP* *STOMP* *BANG* *BANG*
 
The Michka >> I'll be coming back to the States...
 
You know, to "come back" you have to leave at some point in time.  Right? 
 
Have you made arrangements for a new bridge to prowl under in Italy?
 
What about key phrases you'll need to know in Italian?  Like...
 
"Chi è che inciampa sul mio ponte?" ... "Who's that tripping over my bridge?"
 
and
 
"Ora, vengo per mangiarti" ... "Now, I'm coming to gobble you up"
Flying Junior Added Jan 16, 2019 - 9:35pm
Burgermeister and Stone,
 
The last place you will find me is buying legal weed.  Praise the Goddess it is legal to grow it in California.  I never thought I would live to see the day.  Incredibly I kept a viable strain of Cannabis Sativa all through the years that I could have gone to jail.  Seeds, my brothers.
 
Just like the dealers and any other sane people, I opposed legalization.  It made sense for some Wild West State like Colorado or maybe even for the hippies in Washington and Oregon.  But I knew I would hate exactly what would happen.  For one thing, it had already happenned in California with medical marijuana for headaches.
 
So most of these strains are no doubt augmented with strong chemical fertilizers.  They fucking purify the shit down to hash oil and wax these days.  How the hell is your brain supposed to get you through life with 55 grams of pure THC rushing through your body?
 
I fucking hate it.  These zombie kids sit around on-line typing out descriptions of various strains of weed on weed forums.  The local rags have page after page of advertisements for super-strong marijuana edibles and other products.  This kills the whole thing.
 
I remember fondly the last time I broke out two vials of honey oil and some Thai Stick and smoked it around the table with my bros.  It should be a special occasion to have that much dope in one place.  Fancy weed was a world market in La Jolla.  My favorite as a kid was Columbian.  Then I got a pound of Orange Lumbo, (similar to Santa Marta Gold,) and later a pound of Candy Oaxacan, (except it really wasn't Candy Oaxacan.)  It was some kind of homegrown local stuff.  You see, there were hundreds and thousands of Thai seeds that could be had maybe twenty or more per ounce of Thai Sticks.  We also collected African seeds.  The Columbian always had seeds.  One Christmas I actually scored an ounce of Columbian Sin Semilla.  Praise Jesus.
 
The first real Sin Semilla came from Oregon.  I still buy weed from Oregon occasionally.  I never saw very much Humboldt or Mendocino.  But I have seen some growers when I was travelling Central California.  Before the Oregon-grown Thai homegrown, all weed was imported from somewhere in the world, even Jamaica.  The best weed ever was African Ganja, a seedless variety.  Hashish came from Hawaii.  Easier to smuggle.  And Lebanon, Pakistan and Nepal.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:00pm
Indicas have grown boring. Give me the sativa for creativity every time
The Owl Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:33pm
I get the bit about the Swiss, their army, the Germans, and letting the French in.
 
Butbdoesn'B the addition of the Italian contingent forcing the Germans to fight, if attacked froms outside, to fight on three at least three fronts?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 17, 2019 - 2:12pm
I get the bit about the Swiss, their army, the Germans, and letting the French in.
 
? What's that mean exactly ?

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