We are in the midst of the longest government shutdown in history

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Don’t get me wrong, I like having the government shut down. I believe it is my moral duty to pay as little taxes as possible.

 

The government does some really stupid things with your tax dollars. I’d rather not pay for a $2 billion Obamacare website that doesn’t work, or to defend Congressmen against sexual assault allegations. So, by starving the beast, I at least ensure they’re not squandering my money. 

 

But I think it’s ridiculous that this government posturing is financially crippling the 800,000 government workers (and millions of contractors) who are now out of work, or being forced to work without pay. But at its core, this whole shutdown comes down to a disagreement over $5 billion. That is how much money President Trump wants to build the border wall between the US and Mexico. And Congress refuses to fund it.

 

Granted, $5 billion is a lot of money to you and me. And it should be a lot of money to the government, too. But the government is almost $22 TRILLION in debt and adding another trillion every single year. We are talking about a fight over an expenditure that amounts to .02% of the total national debt.

 

Social Security is $50 TRILLION underfunded by the government’s own estimates. Tens of millions of Americans are relying on Social Security for retirement. How is that going to be funded? That’s a problem 10,000 times bigger than this fight over funding a border wall.

 

But does Congress shut down the government to solve that? Do they refuse to budge until the Americans that have spent their lives paying into a broken pension system are made whole? No. But they’ll put millions of people out of work in the blink of an eye over a comparably tiny sum. And then the politicians have the nerve to get on a high horse and fake moral superiority while it plays out.

 

I hate that the government spends money so callously and recklessly. If the government had any respect for the taxpayers, they would pinch every single penny. That’s obviously not the case. They clearly don’t care about their employees, either. Otherwise, they wouldn’t let $5 billion stand in the way of millions of paychecks that these people depend on to pay their rent.

 

And don’t fool yourself. This shutdown isn’t about money. It is an ideological fight with both sides digging their heels in. The politicians dragging the shutdown on are showing their true colors. This dysfunction is a tiny preview of what will happen when the real problems come home to roost. So here’s the truth: they are building a wall. And every single member of Congress is helping. But it’s not the wall you think. Behind that wall, the government is hiding the real crisis.

 

Forget the $5 billion dollars the government wants for the border wall. Instead, you should focus on the national debt – which is a problem 4,400 times bigger than the wall. And the collapse of Social Security is a problem 10,000 times bigger than the funding needed for the wall. So don’t be fooled by this dummy crisis the government is conjuring. That’s what they want.

 

Just remember, if you rely on the government for anything, they’ll happily throw you under the bus to further their own agenda.

 

Comments

Dino Manalis Added Jan 23, 2019 - 8:35am
 There's no need for a government shutdown, while some government jobs are critical and people have to be paid!  Remember 9/11!  We need our airports and planes to be secure!
Johnny Fever Added Jan 23, 2019 - 11:08am
The shutdown isn’t about saving taxpayer money. When it’s resolved all furloughed workers are going to get paid for the weeks they didn’t work. So let’s not pretend the shutdown has anything to do with preventing the government from doing “stupid things” with our tax dollars.  One of those stupid things is building a wall in remote parts of the desert.  
 
If the shutdown fight was over spending and furloughed workers were not paid, I’d support it. We’ve spent enough of the next generation’s future.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 23, 2019 - 11:44am
I'd say 80% of the government workers aren't necessary.  The entire EPA and Department of Education are completely unnecessary.  Teaching Americans to be self reliant is a good thing.
Whiskey River Added Jan 23, 2019 - 12:08pm
Ryan
I would add the National Forest Service, the BLM, Fish and Wildlife and National Park Service to your list of needless agencies. The feral gooberment has confiscated tens of millions of acres in the western third of our country, literally taken it over and telling what the citizens in those states can do or not do on their lands. Look at the devastating wildfires we see every year. over 40 years of mismanagement by the various federal land agencies has caused that by not allowing people into the forests to keep the dead and down timber cleared out, by not allowing sensible thinning of the forests. 
The park service? Useless. The national treasures in each state can be taken care of by the states themselves, the feral gooberment is not needed. What does some dipwad in Washington know about what is needed in each of the states? Local control would mean more common sense in protecting our treasures. 
Fish and Game? What? There are fish in rivers, there is game in the forests and on the plains, why do we need some Washingtoon clown to tell us that? Again, local control would be best, let the people who live in the state take care of the state. 
There are many federal agencies that need to be done away with, all they do is waste money and get in the way of states trying to take care of their own business. 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 23, 2019 - 12:18pm
This isn't about saving money, that's for sure.  It's a very haphazard way to reduce government activity.  It is about preventing the government from doing a certain stupid thing; as Johnny Fever wrote, "building a wall in remote parts of the desert".
 
(Even worse, putting it alongside a river in a border region that has natural beauty and a vibrant cross-border economy.  I strongly recommend this this article by a person who traveled the length of the border by bike and on foot and reported on what he saw.)  
 
Yes, it's also about putting political points up on the board, something the Senate Republicans and the White House are signally failing at doing. 
 
I think this shutdown will end really quickly when the unpaid TSA workers walk out of the jobs en masse, shutting down the airports all over the country. 
Marty Koval Added Jan 23, 2019 - 3:30pm
Over many decades, no matter which political party has been in power the government has continued to become a larger part of our lives. These days many people are speaking of the “nanny state” that we have created, but the reality is far worse than that. The truth is that the government has become a gluttonous, out of control behemoth that is gobbling up everything in sight and that is attempting to exert full spectrum dominance over our lives.  Today, the government seems to have an insatiable hunger to watch us, track us, control us and take all our money via taxes to feed their spending addiction problem.  No matter what politicians we send to Washington D.C., it just seems to get worse and worse.  Anyone who still believes that we live in “the land of the free”  and "fiscally sound country" are completely and totally delusional.
 
It isn’t just in one particular area that all of this government intrusion into our lives is so offensive.  What we are witnessing is the government slowly digging its fingers even deeper into our lives in a thousand different ways.  Sadly, most Americans see the government as the one who is supposed to take care of them from the cradle to the grave, as the one who is supposed to fix all of the problems in society and as the one who is their ultimate authority.
 
This is in direct contradiction to the concept of a “limited government” that our Founding Fathers tried so desperately to enshrine in our founding documents.  The American people need a big-time wakeup call and DEMAND that the government be drastically down sized and become fiscally responsible.
 
But this will not happen, until the American people get involved in politics and make sure they are electing candidates that are fiscally responsible and advocates of small government.
Marty Koval Added Jan 23, 2019 - 4:51pm
Jim Stoner:
 
My understanding is that the border funding that President Trump is requesting is for 234 miles in areas that Custom and Border Security says is necessary. The funding will be used for fencing, barriers and walls. The funding is not for the entire Mexican USA border.
 
The country of Israel has proven that border barriers are very effective in keeping uninvited people from entering their country illegal. Most of the barrier comprises a set of 2-meter-high, electrified barbed-wire fences with vehicle-barrier trenches and a 60-meter-wide exclusion zone on the Palestinian side. But in more densely populated urban areas, particularly those around Jerusalem and other cities, space limitations prompted the Israelis to instead build a concrete wall to the height of 8 meters.
 
Israel has also gone to underground border walls to make tunneling much more difficult.
 
A major responsibility of any government is protecting its citizens. Protecting its citizens from both internal and external threats. Keeping uninvited people from entering a country is considered an external threat and has to be taken very seriously.  
 
 
 
 
Flying Junior Added Jan 23, 2019 - 6:53pm
Just as The Wall is the symbol of hatred, xenophobia and racism, so the refusal to build a wall is similarly symbolic.  The democrats are doing the right thing by denying Trump his wall.  Not one penny designated for building a wall.  They have discussed border security to no avail.  Trump doesn't really care that much about anything at all, let alone the security of the United States.  Such cannot be built without an act of congress.  A crazy idea like this would not likely pass the republican senate, certainly not exceed the sixty vote floor.
 
We oppose the wall.  Obviously we think of the Berlin Wall.  Yet as some opponents point out, it is not a good comparison.  The Berlin Wall was built to keep the oppressed citizens of East Germany inside.  Yet, it was built by the oppressive regime.  It stands in history as one of the most hateful constructs of modern times.
 
Mr. Trump's wall would not be so different.
 
I recall the walls built by Nazi Germany to separate the cities of Prague and Warsaw.  Trump wishes to keep the riff-raff within the ghetto of Central America.  Your wall sickens me.
 
We democrats stand for friendship between all peoples.  We are willing to accept refugees.  There are no smugglers carrying drugs through the deserts of California, Arizona and Texas.  There are only struggling people desperate for a better life.  This is the most shameful period in the history of the United States.
 
A Trump Wall would be the most disgusting legacy of the huge mistake of electing the monster imaginable.  No way.  We are a democratic republic, not a dictatorship.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jan 23, 2019 - 7:10pm
The increasing lack of confidence in the State is warranted.  It's a bunch of sows in DC, NYC and CA that rule over us, and try to force upon us what to think.  
 
The mainstream media is just a branch of government nowadays, as far as I'm concerned.  Our "melting pot" has become a putrid witches brew.  That's why (I think) the left hates 'MAGA' - it does mean something greater and deeper, or should.  America was built, fed and defended by families just like mine.  Both Grandfathers were WWII veterans.  Both were abandoned by the State, and their widows, my beloved Grandmothers died in absolute poverty and despair.  Not that the government owed them riches, but they could've done something so that my namesake and U.S. Army War Veteran 1938-'45, liberating The Philippines and New Guinea, didn't have to literally sell the family farm and perish at 55.
Eric Reports Added Jan 23, 2019 - 7:15pm
The shutdown hasn't worked.  
What should Trump do?
Laws must be passed to stop illegals from voting.
If someone illegally enters the USA, he forfeits his right to vote here FOREVER.
Marty Koval Added Jan 23, 2019 - 8:00pm
Walls have been used by countries throughout the world, to keep people out that were not invited.
 
The great wall of china was built as a means of protection and detection. The Chinese emperor wanted to protect his lands from the invading northern Mongolians and Huns.
 
In ancient Israel, all the major living centers of the 12 tribes of Israel were walled in completely with watch towers to keep invading people from entering.
 
North and South Korea have a wall in between them. The border barrier includes the Panmunjom, the Military Demarcation Line, and the Demilitarized Zone.
 
Saudi Arabia and Iraq have a 900 Km wall at their border.
 
Hungary and Serbia have a 175 Km wall at their border.
 
Throughout the world today, many people who own expensive homes have surrounding tall exterior walls and security around their property to keep unwanted people away. Many of these homes and people live in the United States and they are the ones that say having border walls are inhuman and not effective. Are you starting to see the hypocrisy about this wall situation.
 
Walls have proven to be effective thousands of years ago and today.
 
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 23, 2019 - 8:15pm
Trump should declare an national emergency and build parts of the wall that way. Then claim victory. 
 
This shut down affects TSA workers at airports if they start calling in sick, you'll cripple the travel of the nation. And if, worse case scenario, this encourages idiots to try something at airports, it's bad optics for Trump.

The longer this goes on, the worse it will be for Trump I think. 
 
Having the State of the Union at an alternate venue while the Dem's likely stay home is bad precedent as well. That would be a symbol far more powerful than any stupid wall. (That you have 2 governments, one operating apart from another...). 
Marty Koval Added Jan 23, 2019 - 9:15pm
Cullen Kehoe
 
If you listen to the mainline media and the liberals only, you would think that border security and illegal aliens is not a major issue at all. They get very emotional over this topic because they realize that a lot of these people will eventualy vote for Democrats over Republicans, if they become citizens. This is a serious issue, but not the most pressing. They will jump up and down and say that the government shutdown is a very serious problem. In reality it is not. The longer the shutdown goes, the more obvious it will become that government is bloated with too many employees.
 
At the same time, the majority of the media and the liberals hardly ever talk about the critical issues facing America today. The $22 TRILLION national debt and Social Security being $50 TRILLION underfunded. These two issues are ticking time bombs that will explode some day.
 
America has a serious spending problem. The majority of the politicians in Washington do not have the courage to face the American people and say under our watch we have totally let you down. They need to admit that the majority of them are incompetent and are not the right people to solve these issues.
 
What we need are elected politicians which can operate as turnaround specialist, that have the knowledge and thick skin to solve these two issue (national debt and Social Security).
Jeff Michka Added Jan 23, 2019 - 9:49pm
Gee, the rightists are finally showing their little hands over the shutdown, and of course, St. Marty the Xtain sees no value in government, and it's "more of the same" about government workers.  ol Whiskey Liver and his new pard, Lyin Ryan Messano, have the bad ol gummint to bash, ol Whiskey liver flows, then gets into an ATV and want to drive in in places off limits on public lands.  And ol Martster is wrapped about debt and the need to do away with social security.  Of course, no calls to tyax the rich, and if getting rid of social security would do Marty in and take him away, then I'm in favor of it.  Marty wants to be critical of electeds in DC, calling them incompetent, but haven't seen or heard of ol Marty in office.  Hey, even Lyin Ryan ran for a very low level public office and got his ass kicked.  Even Lyin Ryan has it over Cryin, whinin' Marty.   You Xtain fascist/running dogs never get any better, just worse.  One reason we need to take your stinky religion away from you, make you all Muslims under Sharia Law or else!!!  We'll fly Cessnas into your houses!!
FacePalm Added Jan 23, 2019 - 11:29pm
FJ-
Just as The Wall is the symbol of hatred, xenophobia and racism, so the refusal to build a wall is similarly symbolic.  The democrats are doing the right thing by denying Trump his wall.  Not one penny designated for building a wall.  They have discussed border security to no avail.  Trump doesn't really care that much about anything at all, let alone the security of the United States.  Such cannot be built without an act of congress.  A crazy idea like this would not likely pass the republican senate, certainly not exceed the sixty vote floor.
 
We oppose the wall. 

Not me, and not millions of others, especially the "angel" moms and dads who've lost children to illegals.  Who is this "we," then?  The globalist traitors on MSM?  The willing mouthpieces of Sauron, spouting their incessant stream of lies and mischaracterizations as Horns of the Beast?
 
Obviously we think of the Berlin Wall.  Yet as some opponents point out, it is not a good comparison.  The Berlin Wall was built to keep the oppressed citizens of East Germany inside.  Yet, it was built by the oppressive regime.  It stands in history as one of the most hateful constructs of modern times.
 
Mr. Trump's wall would not be so different.

No, it'd be as successful as the many walls built by many other countries in keeping out those who would enter illegally, bringing drugs, crime, and disease with them.  It is NOT being built to keep Americans in, but to keep them safe; most walls are not built because of fear of outsiders, but because of love of those protected by them, just like millionaires and billionaires build on their estates, like D'OhBama built in DC for his place, and Pelosi built for hers.  Check out the crime stats for places like El Paso, prior, then subsequent to, the building of a wall there, many years ago.
 
I recall the walls built by Nazi Germany to separate the cities of Prague and Warsaw.  Trump wishes to keep the riff-raff within the ghetto of Central America.  Your wall sickens me.

Have you tried a barf bag, maybe a barf trashcan?  IIRC, Trump just had his people complete a lovely wall between San Diego and Tijuana - ingrate, much?
 
We democrats stand for friendship between all peoples. 

Yeah, like the "divine spark" in MS-13, right?
 
We are willing to accept refugees.
This is an invasion of illegal immigrants taught to LIE about their reasons for coming; over 90% are only "refugees" from lousy economic conditions...and many "democrats" reject your position, so your "we" is getting smaller and smaller.
 
There are no smugglers carrying drugs through the deserts of California, Arizona and Texas.
So you either haven't seen or are ignoring the videos...
 
There are only struggling people desperate for a better life.  This is the most shameful period in the history of the United States.
No, it's the most important period in the history of America, to seal the border against criminals - for without permission, NO ONE can set foot in this country without committing a crime.
 
A Trump Wall would be the most disgusting legacy of the huge mistake of electing the monster imaginable.  No way.  We are a democratic republic, not a dictatorship.

Nope.  Constitutional Republic.  The Founders rightly despised democracy, based on what both Aristotle and Plato had to say about them.  The word "democracy" is nowhere to be found in the Supreme Law of the Land...and this was not "by accident."
Frankly, i look forward to Trump declaring a national emergency and rounding up quite a few of the traitors in our midst, just like his people are busily rounding up massive numbers of pedophiles, pedovores, slavers, and human traffickers. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 24, 2019 - 1:04am
Shut it down, lock the doors behind them and don't let them back in. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 24, 2019 - 1:06am
"This shut down affects TSA workers at airports if they start calling in sick, you'll cripple the travel of the nation. And if, worse case scenario, this encourages idiots to try something at airports, it's bad optics for Trump."
 
Not if we get rid of the TSA and go back to allowing airports ... requiring airports if I remember correctly, to provide security. Some of us are old enough to remember when we could still carry firearms on planes ... and other than DB Cooper, there were very few instances where it was a problem ... though even he did not use a firearm. 
Flying Junior Added Jan 24, 2019 - 3:18am
We means democrats.  I don't need Nancy Pelosi to explain her rationale to me.  I know that we both feel the same way.  When you hear something from me.  It is from the heart.  I don't watch political news on television.  I don't really talk about it with anyone except my wife and my father.  We don't want the wall.  Angel Moms?  Sounds like cheap exploitation to me.  Violent crime rates among undocumented immigrants are below the national average.
 
Videos of drug smuggling?  You can bet your bottom $$ I don't waste time watching videos.  It is well known that most smuggling actually occurs through the ports of entry.  When is the last time you heard about the Border Patrol apprehending someone with kilos of cocaine in a lonely and desolate desert?  Laughable.
 
I'm sorry I said democratic republic instead of constitutional republic.  I could not recall the proper term.  My statement stands none the less.
 
I will let San Diego Mayor, Kevin Faulconer speak for me.
 
From Kevin Faulconer’s article in the San Diego Union-Tribune before Trump’s visit in March:
 
The president is only expected to be here for a few hours. If he stayed longer, he would see that in San Diego a strong local economy and free trade aren’t a contradiction but a way of life.
He would see firsthand how a major American city benefits from having not just a modern border crossing but also a working relationship with Mexico. San Diego is living proof that a healthy economy, low unemployment rate and strong international ties are not mutually exclusive.
 
He would hear that San Diego’s international ports of entry — including the largest land border crossing in the world — are an economic engine that thousands of businesses and residents rely on. From life sciences to manufacturing, San Diego’s economy depends on federal policies that encourage the cross-border exchange of goods and ideas.
 
San Diego was just rated as the safest big city in the U.S. in 2018 by the FBI.
 
From Faulconer’s interview with CNN today.
 
I’m proud of our relationship with our neighbors right next door in Mexico. I don’t talk about building walls, I talk about building bridges and increasing that communication, increasing that flow, and that’s really what defines our border region in San Diego.
 
via Twitter
 
We have a great, positive relationship with Mexico. The Tijuana mayor crosses into San Diego, we talk all the time and vice verses. It’s about neighbors working together, and that’s my very clear message about a bi-national region that works. That’s a competitive advantage. That’s a strength, not only for San Diego and California but for our country.
 
San Diegans are worrying about access to essential federal services. Some military service members are working without pay. I’m urging federal leaders to put the livelihood of our neighbors above partisanship. End the government shutdown now so our nation can get back to work.
 
I thought the bit about the walls separating the ghettos from the cities of Prague and Warsaw was a fairly good parry.  Yeah it's like the Berlin Wall.  That's why democrats refuse to let it happen.
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 24, 2019 - 10:54am
The Government shutdown has proved:
1-Americans are not ready for a recession. 2 months into the shutdown and:
"Within just a few weeks into the government shutdown, people are struggling to cope. We hear stories about people turning to food banks to feed their families. We hear stories about people who are in dire straits because they can’t get loans. We hear stories about people who can’t pay their mortgages. That’s not even one month into the shutdown." –Market Watch
-Only 21% of Americans have more than 10,000 in savings.
-60% have less than 1000 in savings.
-32% have nothing saved at all. (Zero Hedge Fund)
2-Trump lost the midterm elections. Congress has now proved they can paralyze Trump's policies. I find that extremely satisfying because Trump is killing the dollar in his currency war (using sanctions), killing our economy in the Trade war with China and is a puppet of Israel and the Neocons. 
Rusty Smith Added Jan 24, 2019 - 11:55am
Democrats aren't willing to fund a wall because they think enforcing the border is immoral in the same way that devout Catholics think Abortions are murder.  It's not about the money it's about morality.
 
Democrat mantras like "no person is illegal", show their real motives, they want unencumbered immigration.  Some want it because they believe the US should be sharing our wealth and prosperity with the world, and others, the political ones,  just want the votes.  Illegal immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly Democratic when they vote, and yes many do vote.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 24, 2019 - 12:17pm
" I don't need Nancy Pelosi to explain her rationale to me.  I know that we both feel the same way."
 
So you supported the wall in 2006 and 2015 but not now? 
Even A Broken Clock Added Jan 24, 2019 - 1:44pm
Marty, this was the most thoughtful piece of yours that I've read. One thing I would comment is that it would be good if we could come to an agreement on the level of spending by the Federal government as a percentage of the economy, and stick to it. Then we could look at the percentage of the economy taken in by the government through all means (fees, taxes, tariffs, other), and come up with a long-term approach to balance them. Of course, that would infer that we came to agreement on what the functions of the federal government should be, and as the comment stream on your post shows, there is little agreement on what those functions should be.
Marty Koval Added Jan 24, 2019 - 3:30pm
Even A Broken Clock
 
The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." In order to achieve this purpose the Founding Fathers established three main principles on which our Government is based:
 
Inherent rights: Rights that anyone living in America has;
Self Government: Government by the people; and
Separation of Powers: Branches of government with different powers.
 
The Constitution’s articles, and the subsequent Amendments, specify the prerogatives of the Feds. They are listed in Article I, Sec. 8; Articles II-V; Amendments XIII-XVI, XIX-XX, XXIII-XXVI. These prerogatives belong to one of the following categories:
1) Defense, war prosecution, peace, foreign relations, foreign commerce, and interstate commerce;
2) The protection of citizens’ constitutional rights (e.g the right to vote) and ensuring that slavery remains illegal;
3) Establishing federal courts inferior to the SCOTUS;
4) Copyright protection;
5) Coining money;
6) Establishing post offices and post roads;
7) Establishing a national set of universal weights and measures;
8 )Taxation needed to raise revenue to perform these essential functions.
 
Too often, federal policy disputes are waged only on pragmatic grounds, i.e. the opposing sides too often debate only about whether the proposed program or legislation is practically good for the country or not. Whether it is constitutional or not is seldom considered. The Congress and the Executive Branch, whichever party controls them, often implement various policies and don’t even consider whether the Constitution authorizes them or not.
 
This is usually the case when they consider budgetary decisions, legislation on issues of all kinds (including gun bans and bailouts), and other policies.
 
Omitting the constitutionality question allows liberals to set the terms of the debate, specifically, to ensure that the program/agency/policy is continued if a majority of Americans believe it makes sense and deserves federal funding.
 
But the question “Is this Constitutional?” should actually be the first question asked, because the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.
 
And if the federal government is reduced and reined in line with the limits imposed by the Constitution, the government will be small, will stop interfering with issues it shouldn’t tinker with, the federal budget will be balanced, and most of America’s social problems will be solved, because most of them have resulted from federal interventionist policies. In fact, there are practical and constitutional arguments against every liberal domestic policy.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 24, 2019 - 3:43pm
In short, the federal government is there to ensure the equality between the States, and to promote the general safety and security thereof. Governance of the people should be from the State down to local government levels. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 24, 2019 - 3:46pm
If the president, the Speaker, and the other in succession to leadership was offed tomorrow, the country would run. This shut down is a game that American find amusing as it is not yet hitting pocketbooks. When it begins to get serious and American rise up, then the shit will hit the fan and end. The American people are behind Pelosi. The bureaucrats run the country, the president sets the direction.
Marty Koval Added Jan 24, 2019 - 5:20pm
Dr. Rupert Green
 
The people who believe we should allow illegal and uninvited people into America is creating not only a political hurricane, but also a social, safety and rule of law conundrum. Emotions need to be taken out of this discussion and common sense and the rule of law needs to be applied. Here are some points that need to be considered:
 
If building walls for keeping people out of someone's house, city or country was immoral, it would have been published in the Bible. It would have been described as doing evil in the eyes of the Lord. All the cities in Israel in Biblical times had tall exterior walls around the cities with watch towers in strategic locations.  
 
This is no different than a house having exterior walls, windows and doors on a house to keep uninvited people coming into their house. Is it immoral to keep uninvited guest  from entering your house uninvited and illegally? The answer is, absolutely not.
 
Common senses tells us that uninvited people should not be allowed into the country, until they are officially and legally invited.
 
Decisions based upon emotion are seldom wise. The key element required for a useful conversation is disposition. Otherwise, it becomes an argument without listening.
 
I have traveled to over 50 countries in this world. I never attempted to enter a country illegally, without the proper paper work. I followed the countries laws, because I knew If I didn't, I would be in serious trouble.  Best case scenario would be that I would not be allowed entry and deported. Worst case, I would be arrested and thrown in prison.
 
Jim Stoner Added Jan 24, 2019 - 5:33pm
If the TSA workers walk out, en masse, the airports will shut down and the stalemate will be immediately resolved.  And I couldn't blame them if they did. 
 
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 24, 2019 - 6:50pm
That's why I think Trump should declare a national emergency, build some bits of the wall in a few places, reopen the government, declare victory, and life goes on. 

The TSA workers not being paid for the time being (they aren't working for "free", they'll get back pay), but even still, I think this has a potential to end badly.
 
The Dem's aren't going to budge. Every day the shutdown goes on, it hurts Trump and makes the Dem's look better.  
Jim Stoner Added Jan 24, 2019 - 7:15pm
I agree; Trump should put some of his own money into the bits of wall; he can have his name and face on it.   We all want to know who to thank later. 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 25, 2019 - 12:14am
"If the TSA workers walk out, en masse, the airports will shut down and the stalemate will be immediately resolved.  And I couldn't blame them if they did. "
 
Or get fired and go back to being members of the private sector. 
 
If government is really so kind and benevolent, remind me again why government workers need a union to protect them from their kind and benevolent dear leaders? 
FacePalm Added Jan 25, 2019 - 12:24am
Bagala-
-Trump lost the midterm elections
Did he, now?  You want to tell me how many ballots Trump was on in the midterms?
 
The vast majority of Republicans are backing Trump in the showdown with near-Alzheimers Pelosi.  He'll win, too, one way or another, for IAW the provisions of Article 4, part 4, second sentence ("to protect the States from Invasion") he most certainly has been delegated the power to do exactly that.
 
So let Poot-for-brains Pelosi and Cryin' Chuck hold their extremely unpopular position; let them keep on refusing to see the triple amputee who started the GoFundMe for the Wall, let them keep on refusing to speak with angel moms and dads - the optics will kill them deader'n'hammers in 2020.
 
Ward-
" I don't need Nancy Pelosi to explain her rationale to me.  I know that we both feel the same way."
 
So you supported the wall in 2006 and 2015 but not now? 
An excellent riposte; touché, m'sieur.  LOL, too.
Jim Stoner Added Jan 25, 2019 - 12:59am
Dickhead is getting crushed by this; he didn't have to do it, and he knows he is losing every day.  He may be able to recover by 2020, but I wouldn't put any stock in FacePalm's prognostications.  He's right that Trump wasn't literally on the ballot, but he was the issue, and his side lost.  And FP's predictions were way off; if you like, I will dig up his and mine. 
Flying Junior Added Jan 25, 2019 - 3:23am
I feel that it was okay for Jerusalem to have walls four thousand years ago and more recently.  It was a walled city.  Sadly, it still is a walled city today.  This is something that we can all work on together.
 
Remember that Jericho once had walls as well.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 25, 2019 - 7:32am
@ Marty. "The people who believe we should allow illegal and uninvited people into America is creating not only a political hurricane, but also a social, safety and rule of law conundrum. Emotions need to be taken out of this discussion and common sense and the rule of law needs to be applied. Here are some points that need to be considered:"
 
Indeed, I would support an equal miss-opportunity wall. We cannot have those rapists, disease-carrying Jews, Italians, French, British, Canadians, Germans, Irish, Norsemen, and similar crossing our borders for the purpose of miscegenation. As a matter of fact, build the wall high enough to stop airplanes from also crossing into our air space.
 
 
Marty Koval Added Jan 25, 2019 - 8:25am
Dr. Rupert Green:
 
A foreign national or alien entering the U.S. is generally required to present a passport and valid visa issued by a U.S. Consular Official, unless they are a citizen of a country eligible for the Visa Waiver Program, or are a lawful permanent resident of the U.S. or a citizen of Canada.
 
The Visa Waiver Program allows foreign nationals from certain countries to be admitted to the U.S. under limited conditions and for a limited time without obtaining a visa. The foreign national must arrive on an approved carrier (if coming by air or sea), staying no more than 90 days, for pleasure/medical purposes/business, and be able to prove they are not inadmissible. The foreign national is still required to have a passport.
 
A visa and passport are not required of a Mexican national who is in possession of a Form DSP-150, B-1/B-2 Visa and Border Crossing Card, containing a machine-readable biometric identifier, issued by the Department of State and is applying for admission as a temporary visitor for business or pleasure from contiguous territory by land or sea. 
 
By allowing illegal aliens from Central America and other areas of the world to sneak into the country via the border with Mexico without proper paperwork is discrimination against all the world travelers that are legally entering the country.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 25, 2019 - 3:26pm
Its done. The president did the right thing. He stopped the pissing contest against a woman who pissed harder and farther than he could.
Jim Stoner Added Jan 25, 2019 - 4:25pm
No, from Pelosi it was "open the government again, then we'll talk".  And she got her way. 
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 25, 2019 - 4:52pm
Facepalm:
Obviously, I am basing it on the standoff between the Congress and Trump. The Democrats won the house in the midterm. Since the midterm Trump is less mobile than before. Trump is weaker after the elections. He needs the House.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 25, 2019 - 6:55pm
@ Marty. "The great wall of china was built as a means of protection and detection. The Chinese emperor wanted to protect his lands from the invading northern Mongolians and Huns."
 
The present day Chinese are the invaders who breeched the wall. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 25, 2019 - 6:58pm
For all its worth, I respect Marty for his Christian belief in the manner in which he advances it. He defends his points with well researched material, even though it may be counteracted. Thank you.
John Minehan Added Jan 25, 2019 - 7:56pm
Looks like it ended today . . . really not to anyone's surprise.
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 25, 2019 - 8:11pm
Good point Green
Marty Koval Added Jan 25, 2019 - 9:57pm
Dr. Rupert Green
 
I was more than aware that the Great Wall of China was built to deter the invading northern Mongolians and Huns."
 
Walls are built to keep out uninvited people. Those can be a formal foreign army, or in the case of the illegal aliens from Central America coming in as a group of marauders. The bottom line on this situation is that illegal means unlawful. A country that allows unlawful people to enter without consequences, is just setting itself up for more unlawfulness. When this unlawfulness continues, it will eventual result in total chaos and breakdown of government and society.
 
This situation of illegal people in America is turning into a civil war between keeping the rule of law and not keeping it. Civil wars never turn out well and everyone get hurts. America has already gone through one civil war in 1861 to 1865, that took many decades to heal the wounds and repair the damage.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 26, 2019 - 6:39am
 
@ Marty. " 
I was more than aware that the Great Wall of China was built to deter the invading northern Mongolians and Huns.""
 
I know you are aware. My point was that it finally gave way and allowed the ones to be kept out as the progenitors of the present inhabitants.
 
The present day Chinese are the invaders who breeched the wall. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 26, 2019 - 6:43am
Tell me why our other border sharing neighbor characterized as Norwegians are not to be walled out but the Mexicans are to be.
John Minehan Added Jan 26, 2019 - 8:11am
This is interesting and, I think, accurate. 
John Minehan Added Jan 26, 2019 - 8:17am
Speaker Pelosi, who singlehandedly lead the Democrats into irrelevance and decline moving into 2010, has gotten the better of President Trump, far from good news for him.
Marty Koval Added Jan 26, 2019 - 8:23am
Dr. Rupert Green:
 
As of 2017, the estimate number of illegal aliens in the USA is approximately 12.5 million.
 
I know that Norway population is approximately 5.3 million people, but how would you feel that all these 5.3 million entered your country uninvited and illegally? Would your country welcome them with open arms and provide for their wants and needs?
 
You do not have a wall between the two countries, because you most likely do not have a massive influx of illegal people from Norway.
 
No one in America is taking about having a boarder wall with Canada, because we do not have a influx of Canadians trying to sneak into America illegally.
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 26, 2019 - 2:03pm
@Marty.
'I know that Norway population is approximately 5.3 million people, but how would you feel that all these 5.3 million entered your country uninvited and illegally? Would your country welcome them with open arms and provide for their wants and needs?
 
You do not have a wall between the two countries, because you most likely do not have a massive influx of illegal people from Norway."
 
If your once WASP populated country is being overrun by brown 'denizens,"  would you not welcome illegal "pure Whites" to make it White again?
 
Yes, as you are aware, Norway would need the tractor beam to breach our border given it is not juxtaposed to our country. However, the preceding question stands.
Webmaster Added Jan 26, 2019 - 3:22pm
Greg Hunter interviewed financial scientists who, if I understand correctly, tell the true debt is 2 times higher, as 21 trillion dollars of debt are hidden in some way and MSM do not tell about it. If they are right, then debt is 42 trillion dollars but not 21. Here are some links to its discussions: 12 3.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 26, 2019 - 4:02pm
Webmaster, I believe what they are referring to are accounting errors. However, even a quick look at the National Debt Clock will reveal that there are well over a hundred trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities as well. I will check out the links, but AOC recently bungled over that number as well, believing that this much in accounting errors, actually meant that this amount was somehow unaccounted for. I will check out the links, but the situation is grim no matter how one may look at it. 
Webmaster Added Jan 26, 2019 - 4:17pm
Ward, it`s a great idea, so please check those interviews yourself, surely you know English better so you will understand Mark Skidmore and Catherine Austin Fitts much better than me.  So far, I have only concluded that the dollar is overvalued and may start to fall in price.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 26, 2019 - 4:33pm
The dollar has been overvalued for a long time. It is imperative to note that the only thing backing the federal reserve notes is the "faith and good credit" of the US. 
 
It crashed a long time ago and is living on life support only because it is the global reserve and because the people not playing the globalist game have not yet successfully created an alternative. Interesting times indeed. 
Webmaster Added Jan 26, 2019 - 4:42pm
Sure, but if US wins political battle for Venezuela then dollar will be backed with huge oil reserves which are the largest for one country in the world. That is why backing dollar by political expansion still has chances for success and it may be done even without war but through political influence and public relations.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 26, 2019 - 5:37pm
"Sure, but if US wins political battle for Venezuela then dollar will be backed with huge oil reserves which are the largest for one country in the world."
 
Close but no stoagie ... cigar. 
 
If I remember correctly, and it should not take much of a search, but I believe the US actually has the largest global reserve of oil in the ground. Be that as it may, right or wrong, the dollar ... more accurately the federal reserve notes would still not be backed up by the oil reserves. It is not an asset backed currency, but rather a debt-based fiat currency. There would still be nothing backing the FRN other than faith and good credit. This is in part why Russia and China are seeking through BRICS to introduce an alternative to the Petro-Dollar ... meaning the dollar that backs all of the global oil exchanges. Quadafi once tried to challenge the petro-dollar through the introduction of oil-backed ... asset backed dinar ... but it did not work out so well for him. 
Marty Koval Added Jan 26, 2019 - 6:47pm
Texas Secretary of State David Whitley issued an advisory on Friday January 25, 2019 to county voter registrars regarding voter registration list maintenance activities, which include identifying any non-U.S. citizens registered to vote in the State of Texas.
 
According to the Secretary of State's office, 95,000 individuals identified by the Texas Department of Public Safety as non-U.S. citizens have a matching voter registration record in Texas, approximately 58,000 of whom have voted in one or more Texas elections.
 
Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice.
 
This is just another reason why America needs to have a much more robust border protection.
 
Webmaster Added Jan 27, 2019 - 4:03am
Yes, Quadafi was killed by Clinton, she was really happy after his death and told something like Veni Vidi Vici in English. But the fact that FRN has met some resistence in the developing countries is a bad sign for it. Now Clinton is not so strong like then, and Trump tends to present himself like a global peacemaker. So I do not see any more obstacle for creating anti-dollar currency, which at least at the start will be backed by oil, gold, forest, coal, corn, meat, iron ore, mineral fertilizers and even black fertile soil. There is a growing understanding of the doubtful dollar`s nature, as you say, "there would still be nothing backing the FRN other than faith and good credit." So FRN is based on thin air and some international relationship. But US of today is not US of Reagan and some destructive processes have leaked into this citadel of capitalism. You have got the developing socialist movement which is the great danger for the monetary system based on faith in the economic might of the country. Everything socialists get to control is doomed to destruction. So if some socialist POTUS will come after Trump then it will be the unhappy end of the global dollar (FRN) currency as nobody on Earth would believe that socialists will continue to develop the local economy and support the value of the dollar due to the great influence of US in the world.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 27, 2019 - 4:23am
We do indeed live in interesting times. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 27, 2019 - 12:34pm
@ "Mogg. "The following conversation degraded into talk of the wall, the Great Wall of China, Mongols and Huns, Norwegians and various shills for party propaganda spewing rumors and lies. This is what absolutely STINKS about Writer Beat when authors attempt to bring serious issues to readers. "
 
I disagree with you. I think that is what is excellent about WB. Communication has multiple meanings and levels and here we find WBers demonstrating same. Not everyone here is at the same level, but the discussions allow each to participate and contribute. It is inclusive.

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