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There are people in this world who had better hope (pray even) that there is no higher authority... no God... to hold them accountable for what they do on this earth.

 

New York state just legalized abortion all the way up to the point of birth... for any reason.  As Governor Andrew Cuomo signed the bill into law with flare and bravado he was smiled upon by adoring sycophants.  The state Senate and onlookers gave the event a standing ovation.  That night, the World Trade Center was lit up in pink in celebration.

 

 

 

Meanwhile in Virginia... Kathy Tran (Democrat) introduced a bill that would drastically reduce the doctor’s approval and medical requirements to have a late term abortion... essentially making abortion an option up to the point of natural birth.  Literally, under this bill... the woman could be in labor, deliver the baby and have it killed.

 

This is nothing less than legalized infanticide.

 

Tran admitted this was the case [see here] and Virginia Governor Ralph Northam (who supported the Bill) described the procedure...

 

"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother," -- Virgina Governor Ralph Northam (who is a doctor)

 

Cuomo, Tran, Northam (and many others) ... It's scary enough that such people exist in society; it's unconscionable that they walk the halls of governance... at any level.

 

Side Note: The Virginia Kathy Tran bill was defeated by that state's conservative GOP.  The subcommittee that killed it voted straight down party lines.

 

Statistics:

I understand.  Abortion is a very volatile and emotional issue.  Honest people can disagree on when life begins, when an abortion should be permitted (rape, incest, life of the mother, number of weeks).  I'm not one of them, but a full 60% of Americans support abortion as legal during the first three months of pregnancy (the first trimester).  Move to the send second three months and support for the procedure drops to 28%.  And what about the last trimester (what we're talking about here), when the fetus is often viable with medical support?  Just 13%...  What do you think support is for… the last month?  Last Week?  Day?  Minute?

 

No... while all who push this evil (in the U.S.) are Democrats, not ALL Democrats are this insane.  But the sane "majority" of that Party does little (or nothing) to moderate the insane, such as these.  Why?

 

It's a very good question... especially if you consider the One who may eventually ask it.

Comments

Eric Reports Added Jan 31, 2019 - 7:26pm
Barbarism.
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 31, 2019 - 7:33pm
Utterly insane. But my thoughts up to this point (which now may need some adjusting) is that to get abortions as low as possible, it's probably best to leave the procedure legal. Otherwise, you fire up the other side which is full of Handmaid's tale nonsense that plays well to a lot of people and it continues to be a legal and political football issue. 

Leave it legal, the opposition goes away, and you can hammer the airwaves with public service messages like "life what a beautiful choice" and all that. 
 
In most Latin American countries abortion is illegal yet they have higher abortion rates than the U.S. That's not something I'd like the U.S. to replicate. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Jan 31, 2019 - 7:33pm
Democrats really hate babies is all that comes to mind as I read this. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 31, 2019 - 8:02pm
Cullen >> ... it's probably best to leave the procedure legal. 
 
I'm pro life.  This post does not address making abortion in general legal or illegal.
 
The purpose of this post is to expose the insane (and yes barbarous) support of infanticide by the left ... by Democrats.
 
Leaving it legal and making it rare is one thing.  But THIS is evil.  And evil must be exposed and confronted.
Gerrilea Added Jan 31, 2019 - 8:10pm
TexasLynn-- We've had some interesting discussions and we don't see the world through the same lenses but I saw the presser for this just the other day.
 
They are psycho's. 
 
Must I explain further? 
 
While the "law" Cuomo just signed gives cart blanche to killing any fetus, even the ones that are already born...it's barbaric to say the least.  All I'd ask you to consider. If you are against such evil, then don't participate in it. Don't have an abortion.
 
I'm disgusted and angry at such actions but to show your displeasure you could boycott New York State.  Yes, I know, I live here but what better way to stop them?
 
In the end, we can only control our own actions and the moral path we chose to live.
 
TexasLynn Added Jan 31, 2019 - 9:19pm
Gerrilea >> We've had some interesting discussions and we don't see the world through the same lenses...
 
Which can pretty well be said about any two people on this site... BUT... I get your point.  I have enjoyed our discussions and value your opinion... even when contrary to mine.
 
Gerrilea >> They are psycho's.
 
So, we find some agreement.
 
Gerrilea >> All I'd ask you to consider. If you are against such evil, then don't participate in it. Don't have an abortion.
 
The only problem I have with that advise is that when I've heard it before, the inference is "Don't have an abortion... and shut up."  That is not something I'm willing to do.  Because I firmly believe "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
 
Simply "boycotting" New York (for this Southerner boy) would be the equivalent of nothing.
 
Gerrilea >> ... what better way to stop them?
 
At a minimum I will speak up and expose it.  Encourage people to oppose these horrible people and those like them.  So here we are.
 
Gerrilea >> In the end, we can only control our own actions and the moral path we chose to live.
 
True... and I choose that one action will be to expose and condemn evil whenever I see it.
 
The positions and actions of Andrew Cuomo, Kathy Tran, and Ralph Northam are evil.  People of good conscious should oppose them and try to remove them from office.  In the case of Cuomo... I hope YOU take action.
TexasLynn Added Jan 31, 2019 - 9:20pm
I'm assuming that practically none of this is being covered by the MSM (Main Stream Media)... has anybody who watches the likes of CNN or MSNBC seen anything on this?
Ryan Messano Added Jan 31, 2019 - 9:29pm
Totally debauched.  How can a nation defend itself against foreign enemies, when it's busy destroying it's own children? 
 
Just think, 60 million murdered American babies since 1973.  2 million Americans killed in all our wars combined. 
 
The entire Democrat party is wicked and evil.  Any Christian who even considers voting for them, isn't a Christian at  all.
Gerrilea Added Jan 31, 2019 - 9:40pm
TexasLynn---
 
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
 
Understood and agreed....but I doubt that a pack of wild dogs couldn't stop this:
 
"... and shut up." 
 
:)
 
The last 2 elections I voted straight Republican, even if I didn't like the person or if I didn't even know who they were!  How far I've come from the young and naive "Liberal/Progressive" I thought I was.
 
The Owl Added Jan 31, 2019 - 9:42pm
If Gerrilea is beginning to understand the horrid implications of some of these official dictates, there is hope that this horror translates to many more changes in viewpoint.
 
What people who have yet to understand the horror have yet to see is that the NY law and the VA proposals are the logical extensions of the policies that they have been touting.
 
Each step brings them closer to having to face the root of the discussion that they want and need to avoid:    When does abortion turn to murder, and what role does The State get to play in the talks,case it obviously has a vested interest in the outcome?
 
So, me dear Gerrilea, where do you want to go with these questions?  Under a rock?
 
 
 
Gerrilea Added Jan 31, 2019 - 9:57pm
The Owl--- I have no control over the actions of others.  These absurdities are obviously an overreaction to the perceived threat that Roe v. Wade will be overturned.
 
What would change peoples mind's would be seeing the horror of a premature baby being executed or torn apart.  The majority didn't care about the monetary incentives of selling "the parts" for research or whatever.  I find that to be pure evil.
 
What are we running? Mengele's export services? And what legitimate "researcher" could use said for testing, like Pepsi did years ago.
 
Ban said research and make all abortions, non-profit with the "administers" fees being less than $50,000 a year for groups like "Planned Parenthood".
 
Hit them where it hurts, in the pocketbook.
 
Hell, legislate that any "abortion doctor" do so, free of charge.
 
 
Gerrilea Added Jan 31, 2019 - 10:29pm
Mogg T--- Eugenics wasn't Hitler's idea, it was ours long before he ever came to power.
 
US Scientists Role in Eugenics Movement, 1883:
 
In this special issue devoted to the study of pigmentation, it is only fitting that we reflect on how this trait has been utilized to promote specific political and social agendas in both the United States and Europe. It was Francis Galton, a cousin of Darwin, who coined the term “eugenics” in 1883 while advocating that society should promote the marriage of what he felt were the fittest individuals by providing monetary incentives.1
 
Shortly thereafter, many intellectuals and political leaders (e.g., Alexander Graham Bell, Winston Churchill, John Maynard Keynes, and Woodrow Wilson) accepted the notion that modern societies, as a matter of policy, should promote the improvement of the human race through various forms of governmental intervention.
 
While initially this desire was manifested as the promotion of selective breeding, it ultimately contributed to the intellectual underpinnings of state-sponsored discrimination, forced sterilization, and genocide.
 
Note that the Supreme Court decided in 1927 in Buck v. Bell that Eugenics and forced sterlization was "constitutional".
 
That Supreme Court decision has never been overturned.
 
 
TexasLynn Added Jan 31, 2019 - 11:09pm
Ryan, America has so many enemies... foreign and domestic.  Sometimes it seems the domestic ones are even more insidious.
 
I often hear the excuse that "a majority of the left or Democrats" don't support this or that policy... but then they are inconsequential in stopping those in their party that do.
 
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Gerrilea >> The last 2 elections I voted straight Republican, even if I didn't like the person or if I didn't even know who they were! 
 
Well, I'm not going to pretend that the GOP is full of solutions.  They need to be watched and held accountable as well.
 
But... the Democratic party went off the deep end a long time ago... and just when I think they can't go any deeper... they do.
 
Gerrilea >> How far I've come from the young and naive "Liberal/Progressive" I thought I was.
 
Yeah... compared to what I am now... I was a stark raving lefty in college.
 
I remember a friend from college asking me what happened... I said "I got a job... I started paying taxes... and some %$#@ stole my car."
 
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Owl >> If Gerrilea is beginning to understand...
 
I'm going to give Gerrilea the thumbs up of being on the net positive side of understanding... based on past conversations.  IMO. 
 
Owl >> ... proposals are the logical extensions of the policies that they have been touting.
 
Oh yes, completely... but think about this.  If these people (the state) is willing to make this decision about babies just born; I guarantee they will be willing to make the same decisions about the old and infirm.  As long as we're talking about logical extensions concerning vested interest and all...
Neil Lock Added Feb 1, 2019 - 6:13am
TexasLynn: You know I'm no conservative. And I'm as "pro-choice" as anyone. But what is going on here does look to be rather nasty.
 
I'll repeat part of a comment I made on a thread by Minister Peaceful Poet about two months ago: "To me, the abortion question boils down to one thing: At what point does a fetus become a human being, and so acquire the right to life? If you answer "on conception," that is one view. If you answer "at birth" - my own point of view - that is another. If you take the Roe v. Wade position, on ability to survive outside the womb, that's a typical political compromise that satisfies neither side."
 
Now I haven't been following these stories as I don't touch mainstream news, but it does look as if Northam, for one, is going much too far even for me. And what exactly did Northam mean by, "a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother?" Is this really the eugenics movement, all over again?
 
...Oh, and the last paragraph in your comment to the Owl is spot on again. As usual.
Neil Lock Added Feb 1, 2019 - 6:18am
Ah yes, I see that Gerrilea (prompted by Mogg Tsur) has made the same suggestion about eugenics.
 
BTW Lynn, regarding the first paragraph of your article, I'll face the "god problem" (if there is one) when I come to it...
FacePalm Added Feb 1, 2019 - 6:47am
Tex-
Once upon a time, i thought that abortion should be legal, and left in the hands of the woman.  i even found a way to justify it biblically, because when God created Adam, he didn't become a "living soul" until God breathed the breath of life into him...so i concluded that until a baby drew a breath of life, it wasn't truly alive.
 
Then i heard Congressman Ron Paul make an excellent point which caused me to reconsider.  He said that if a pregnant woman is killed by anyone, the murderer is charged with 2 crimes of murder/manslaughter.  And i knew this to be true.
 
i also believe that SCOTUS never should have "ruled" that abortion was legal under the "equal application of the law" clause of the 14th; they simply imagined that they had the power to rule this way, and no one dared to challenge them on the point...esp. in re: my now oft-reiterated point about the powers delegated by the Constitution are few and defined, not numerous and unlimited, as one can see in both the Preamble to the Bill of Rights as well as the 9th and 10th Amendments.  They only have "named" powers, not "imagined" ones, like "public policy" or "implied powers" or "precedent."
 
It also seems that these babies are worth a great deal, in whole or in parts.  What i heard today is that white babies with black hair and blue eyes go for up to 500k, and white babies with black hair and green eyes go for up to 600k - whether whole or in parts, literally.  And the women are generally not told about adoption options where they can be well-compensated, nor about the selling of the blood/internal organs of their babies that they "give away" because of the abortions of their children (it also recently came out that the Project Veritas vids were absolutely accurate in re: the selling of aborted baby body parts, and that at least 3 Planned Parenthood facilities in California were forced out of that state, i heard).
 
Aside from the financial theft-by-deception, the treatment of babies in this way is utterly reprehensible and abhorrent to anyone with the slightest sense of decency or conscience; if similar things were done to puppies or kittens, there's be screams of outrage all over the country.
 
At a spiritual level, Mark Taylor says that aborted children are fed to Ba'al, an ancient Canaanite demon, which has become the "strong man over America."  So ending abortions will starve that thing, as it should be.
 
So now, the democrats who favor such as this can rightfully be referred to as murdering demons, open to every crime imaginable, refusing to protect the country, working to strip away millions of jobs in both the fuel industries as well as health insurance, who also want massive tax increases and enforced socialism.  After all, once your conscience is so seared that you countenance and promote the murder of society's most defenseless and helpless, once one becomes accustomed to the unbelievable cruelty of cutting these babies into parts and selling them, what could NOT be next?
FacePalm Added Feb 1, 2019 - 6:56am
In my youth, there was a song by Blood, Sweat, & Tears called "And When I Die;" it has a line in it apropos to this thread:
 
"I can swear there ain't no heaven, but i pray there ain't no hell."
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Feb 1, 2019 - 8:41am
Hmmm....
 
I mean generally I'm against abortion, and I don't need a god or any other sky guy to understand that every life has a right to be here, unborn or LIVING.
 
But then.....what about the "white race" which produces less children than immigrants, latinos or blacks ?
 
Hmmm......
 
Doesn't quite fit with some, I guess.....imagine: In 50 years the US will have a white minority because all the poors reproduce as hell in hope that one of them finds a job and can support the family.
 
Reminds me of Africa...
 
So, now....which direction ? Abortion yes or no ? 
 
BTW: Abortion is ALWAYS a decision of BOTH, man and woman. IF that's not the case, something is wrong right at the start.
Steel Breeze Added Feb 1, 2019 - 9:54am
if there is a god, and i get to meet him, i only got one question.........what was the point of all this.....
Gerrilea Added Feb 1, 2019 - 9:55am
FacePalm--- Interesting evolution of thought and position.  Personally, I'd never have an abortion, (praise the Gods if that were even possible).... ROFL...
 
I side on the rights of the mother, always.
 
I actually share your first position, when that child takes its first breath, then it is alive and worthy of all rights and protections each one of us enjoys.
 
Roe v. Wade was a political compromise, sadly.  They created something out of thin air and I'd love for the case to be re-argued but on the grounds of ownership and control of ones own body.
 
If we do not control our own body, who does?  A fetus cannot exist without it's mother.  If our science evolves to the point where a womb becomes redundant, sobeit.  That would be the only game-changer here.
 
I feel the need to expand these thoughts a bit.  If the State can force a woman to carry a fetus, full term, against her will and desires. They can force all of us to do so many things.  Forced vaccinations, forced cancer treatments, forced sterilizations (oh wait, they already claim that authority). 
 
Who has superior domain over their body?  The fetus doesn't have any rights.  It exists because the mother does.  If we grant said fetus the rights of breathing humans, then I see a day where prosecutions will fill the courtrooms when a mother has a stillbirth or a miscarriage. 
 
Hell, cocaine babies are the venue into that abyss.
 
"Ms. Smith, you allegedly fell down those stairs last month and you killed your unborn child, YOU ARE GUILTY!"
 
You had a beer, smoke a joint, didn't go for your mandated weekly check-ups. You didn't get the "recommended" vaccines our campaign donors demanded to insure their bottom line, err...you didn't follow the sound advice of our Scientific/Medical Overlords! 
 
YOU are a criminal now.
 
I know I'm arguing consequences and not law (with a few noted exceptions), at the moment, but if we don't consider all things BEFORE we act.  We are doomed.
 
My body, my right, my choice. 
FacePalm Added Feb 1, 2019 - 9:55am
SEFa-
I agree with that; unfortunately, for far too many of these women, they have no idea who their baby's daddy is.  The Maury Povich show (and several others) have episodes every day where 3 or more men are tested to find out just who is responsible.
 
The current situation is due to many years of subversion by various socialist countries on the planet, starting with the USSR, but now, the ChiComs.  They both knew they couldn't defeat us militarily, but sought to destroy our love of family, of God, and of country.  With most of the leftists, they have succeeded in driving them insane, it appears.
Leroy Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:11am
It is an abomination.  
 
Why this?  Why now?
 
It's about Trump.  It is about agitating the people that the left views as Trump's base.  It is about their fear of the conservative Supreme Court created by Trump's latest picks.  It is about the absolute hysteria of the left about the prospects of Trump replacing RBG with a conservative judge.  Trump is their mortal enemy.
 
How could so many people support what is going on now?  Mark Twain wrote a piece called The Mysterious Stranger.  Twain understood the human mind.  Pardon me if I make errors and I recount from memory.  A crowd of people was enthusiastically stoning a woman someone denounced as a witch.  This person presumed to be the devil and a couple of young men approach.  The young men want to stone the woman as well.  The devil tells them that the woman is not a witch and in the crowd of people, only a couple were inclined to believe she was a witch.  The rest went along because they didn't want to be perceived as a witch.  That is how the left works today.  You either toe the line or get stoned.  Schultz, once the liberal darling, is now getting stoned.  His crime?  Running as an independent. 
 
I don't do justice with my description of the passage.  I'm in a brain fog this morning, as usual.
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:22am
Neil L >> You know I'm no conservative. And I'm as "pro-choice" as anyone. But what is going on here does look to be rather nasty.
 
One does not have to believe in a higher power... one does not have to even be a conservative to see this a what it is... ghoulish.
 
I agree that we should ask ourselves when does life begin...  There are many means to come to various conclusions.  I’ll note that as an unborn baby reaches term… it is more and more likely to be able to survive on its own… in the 2nd and 3rd trimester with medical assistance at the end of the pregnancy without even that.
 
God told the prophet Jeremiah "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." -- Jeremiah 1:5
 
I (as a Christian) think that applies to all of us.
 
I would worry about applying the "at birth", at first breath tests.  With that you can easily get to what these people are doing here.  You can get to a partial birth abortion where the baby is delivered except for the head (so not born yet… no first breath yet).  Scissors are then used to kill the child before it is technically "born".
 
Neil L >> Now I haven't been following these stories as I don't touch mainstream news
 
I actually doubt you'll see much of this on the mainstream news.  Fox will pretty well be the only news channel that covers it.  The rest will hide it or at best briefly spin it as much ado about nothing.
 
Neil L >> ... but it does look as if Northam, for one, is going much too far even for me.
 
All three (Cuomo, Tran, Northam) are... and many, many more.
 
Neil L >> And what exactly did Northam mean by, "a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother?"
 
He meant they would discuss and decide if the baby lived or died.
 
Neil L >> Is this really the eugenics movement, all over again?
 
In a way, I guess.  I always associated eugenics with killing the disabled or even a particular race; not meeting a genetic standard.  Today, the killing is indiscriminate; and the health/condition of the baby is immaterial.
 
BUT... everyone should know that...
♦ The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was heavy into eugenics.
♦ The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a racist and targeted blacks for abortion procedures.
♦ The majority of abortions are overwhelmingly... minority.  (Please not that Stone)
 
Neil L >> ...Oh, and the last paragraph in your comment to the Owl is spot on again. As usual.
 
Unfortunately, yes.  While there is an ideological component to their (the left's) position; there is also a profit motive.  Abortion is big business.  Killing the elderly and infirm?  No different than targeted layoffs...
 
Neil L >> BTW Lynn, regarding the first paragraph of your article, I'll face the "god problem" (if there is one) when I come to it...
 
We all will...  I'm just trying to be a little more prepared. :)  Especially since I believe in the Guy...
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:23am
FaceP >> Once upon a time, i thought that abortion should be legal, and left in the hands of the woman.
 
Legal or illegal... it's in the hands of the woman if for no other reason than possession is 9/10ths the law/decision.
 
Don't get me wrong... I'm concerned on the legal side of the equation, especially when it comes to laws like this; but our best approach is from a loving and supportive approach.
 
The Dems used to say they wanted abortion "Legal, safe, and rare" (though they didn't really believe that).  I would be OK with that approach IF it was implemented properly to reach that last "goal". 
 
FaceP >> Then i heard Congressman Ron Paul make an excellent point which caused me to reconsider.  He said that if a pregnant woman is killed by anyone, the murderer is charged with 2 crimes of murder/manslaughter.  And i knew this to be true.
 
Isn't that on a state by state basis?  I'm not aware of a Federal law requiring that.
 
FaceP >> i also believe that SCOTUS never should have "ruled" that abortion was legal under the "equal application of the law" clause of the 14th
 
We agree on that.  The SCOTUS got it wrong on that one... as it gets it wrong on a lot of things.  I shudder as where we stand on religious rights in this country right now.
 
FaceP >> It also seems that these babies are worth a great deal, in whole or in parts. 
 
I'm aware of the selling of these parts... and the law should be tightened down on that.  No money should be allowed to change hands without it being a crime.  One of the keys to ending this mess is to remove the profit from it.
 
FaceP >> if similar things were done to puppies or kittens, there's be screams of outrage all over the country.
 
THAT is a very good point.  And it shows a moral degradation.
 
FaceP >> At a spiritual level, Mark Taylor says that aborted children are fed to Ba'al, an ancient Canaanite demon
 
Ba'al was the god that demanded human sacrifice (specifically children) in Biblical times.  The reference is apt.
 
FaceP >> ... once one becomes accustomed to the unbelievable cruelty of cutting these babies into parts and selling them, what could NOT be next?
 
What indeed, I shudder to think.  When man is god and the state supreme... Ba'al is served.
 
FaceP >> "I can swear there ain't no heaven, but i pray there ain't no hell."
 
I think that aptly describes how many live their lives.
 
Speaking a similar hard truth to us Christians... Albert King said "Everybody Wants to go to Heaven, But Nobody Wants to Die"
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:24am
SE >> I mean generally I'm against abortion, and I don't need a god or any other sky guy to understand that every life has a right to be here, unborn or LIVING.
 
Like I said, one does not need to be conservative or religious to see this for the evil it is.
 
SE >> But then.....what about the "white race" which produces less children than immigrants, latinos or blacks?  Hmmm......
 
Speaking as a member of that group... let me officially proclaim that I don't give a rat's ass about the "white race".  Looking to posterity, I'm much more concerned that whatever "race/races" there are; they enjoy life, liberty, freedom, prosperity and grace.  That's it... that's what I'm concerned about.
 
For that to happen, IMO, they need to avoid many stumbling blocks placed in front of them... like racism, socialism, collectivism and globalism... to name a few.
 
SE >> Doesn't quite fit with some, I guess.....imagine
 
Some?  Yes.  As many as you think?  I doubt it.
 
For some reason, leftists and Europeans (and I place you only in one of those boxes) thin the U.S. (and the South in particular) is made up primarily of people whose main concern is the “white race”.  For the record… that’s bullshit and I’m in a position to know better than anybody else on this forum.
 
SE >> In 50 years the US will have a white minority because all the poors reproduce as hell in hope that one of them finds a job and can support the family.
 
Again, I couldn't care less about the percentage of "whites"; I care greatly about the freedom and prosperity of all.  Again... see above about the stumbling blocks that need to be avoided.
 
SE >> Reminds me of Africa... So, now....which direction ? Abortion yes or no ?
 
No. Easy peasy...
 
What of all those 60 million babies killed over the decades… a majority of them dark? Answer: It was a horrible, evil mistake.  Am I being clear enough on this?  It’s not a black/brown/white thing.
 
SE >> BTW: Abortion is ALWAYS a decision of BOTH, man and woman. IF that's not the case, something is wrong right at the start.
 
In a perfect society... in reality... always the woman.  Possession being 9/10s of the decision.
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:24am
Steel B >> if there is a god, and i get to meet him, i only got one question.........what was the point of all this.....
 
I know the question was probably rhetorical but indulge me please... from a Christian perspective, God does answer that question for us here and now.
 
HE (God) is the point of all this.
 
To offer what I think HE is telling us in an analogy.  Why does an artist create?  What is the purpose of the art?
 
Answer: To give glory to the one who created it.
 
Answer: We're each just God created pieces of art.  Our purpose is to be little glory making machines. :)
 
IMO
Leroy Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:26am
I looked it up.  The book is not long and is a good read.  It helps me understand the world today.  Here's a passage.  I suggest following the link and reading the entire passage.
 
"So we walked away, and I was not at ease, but was saying to myself, "He told them he was laughing at them, but it was a lie--he was laughing at me."
 
That made him laugh again, and he said, "Yes, I was laughing at you, because, in fear of what others might report about you, you stoned the woman when your heart revolted at the act--but I was laughing at the others, too."
 
"Why?"
 
"Because their case was yours."
 
"How is that?"
 
"Well, there were sixty-eight people there, and sixty-two of them had no more desire to throw a stone than you had."
 
"Satan!"
 
"Oh, it's true. I know your race. It is made up of sheep. It is governed by minorities, seldom or never by majorities. It suppresses its feelings and its beliefs and follows the handful that makes the most noise. Sometimes the noisy handful is right, sometimes wrong; but no matter, the crowd follows it. The vast majority of the race, whether savage or civilized, are secretly kind-hearted and shrink from inflicting pain, but in the presence of the aggressive and pitiless minority they don't dare to assert themselves. Think of it! One kind-hearted creature spies upon another, and sees to it that he loyally helps in iniquities which revolt both of them. Speaking as an expert, I know that ninety- nine out of a hundred of your race were strongly against the killing of witches when that foolishness was first agitated by a handful of pious lunatics in the long ago. And I know that even to-day, after ages of transmitted prejudice and silly teaching, only one person in twenty puts any real heart into the harrying of a witch. And yet apparently everybody hates witches and wants them killed. Some day a handful will rise up on the other side and make the most noise--perhaps even a single daring man with a big voice and a determined front will do it--and in a week all the sheep will wheel and follow him, and witch-hunting will come to a sudden end."
Leroy Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:31am
At the risk of getting my wrist slapped, I will add to the post above.  Note the irony--if you read the entire chapter--the ringleader of the witch hunt is named "Mueller".
Stone-Eater Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:47am
Tex
 
Thanks, good comment to my address. I guess we could agree on a lot more as long as god is not concerned....but I think you understood my message which is by no means influenced by any ideology but just based on what I experienced and feel.
Stone-Eater Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:47am
Leroy 
 
Mueller is Müller. That's a German LOL
Dino Manalis Added Feb 1, 2019 - 1:37pm
 They're godless supposedly, but they talk about God all the time, God Bless them!
Bill Kamps Added Feb 1, 2019 - 1:46pm
Regardless of whether there is a God or not, allowing abortion at any time during the pregnancy is just wrong.   Personally I am not in favor of abortion, but I also think women should have the right to choose within reasonable limits.  Those limits being very early on in the pregnancy, like shortly after it is possible to know one is pregnant.
 
Just as aside, being pro choice is not the same as being pro abortion, at least not in my mind. 
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 4:04pm
Leroy, Thanks for the Mark Twain parable if you will.  Mark Twain is one of my favorite atheists.  He certainly had a way of seeing human nature at its worst.  He popularized one of my favorite idioms "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics".  Obviously things haven’t changed that much between then and now when it comes to humanity.
 
My admiration of Twain aside, I (to my credit I hope) gravitate to the kinder gentler musing of Will Rogers. :)  Both were good Southern gentlemen.
 
This Twain story is very relevant to the subject of the post.  I think many Democrats who voted for this stuff, if asked outside the situation and the mob, would be horrified; and rightfully so.  Unfortunately, it's no excuse; we're accountable when we practice such idiocy.
 
The left does indeed practice this (more so than the right I think).  They will turn on their own and stone them in a heartbeat and for the most trivial of offenses.  You use Schultz as an example but what about poor old Tom Brokaw who recently said that Hispanics should try harder to "assimilate" into American culture.  The left was ready throw the old geezer under the bus before he knew what happened.  The mia culpas came fast; so, they hardly had time to put the bus in reverse to roll over him again.  He learned his lesson... he'll be quite now.
 
Trump!  Trump brings this mob mentality out worse than anyone I've seen.  Of course, I mean the mob intent on stoning him and/or anything vaguely related to him.  The wall being a perfect example.  They were for it a year or so ago... and now you're an immoral dirt-bag is you support such an un-American thing.  Why the drastic change?  Trump wants it.
 
Leroy >> At the risk of getting my wrist slapped, I will add to the post above.  Note the irony--if you read the entire chapter--the ringleader of the witch hunt is named "Mueller".
 
You ARE just a glutton for punishment... :)
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 4:04pm
Stone E >> Thanks, good comment to my address.
 
My pleasure.
 
Stone E >> I guess we could agree on a lot more as long as god is not concerned...
 
I will always speak from my faith because it is an integral part of who I am.  I ask for indulgence just as I give it.
 
Stone E >> but I think you understood my message which is by no means influenced by any ideology but just based on what I experienced and feel.
 
Yes... this post has a religious aspect to it because of the topic and the author.  BUT I do want to acknowledge and stress that ANYBODY from any background can see this stuff as beyond the pale.
 
I'm glad you stepped in to make that point.
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 4:04pm
Bill K >> I also think women should have the right to choose within reasonable limits.
 
I think most people fall where you do, Bill.  And if we could just get to that point even, the nation would be better for it.
 
Bill K >> Just as aside, being pro choice is not the same as being pro abortion, at least not in my mind.
 
True... but it is imperative that those who really believe that (and don't just give the idea lip service) ... not follow the mob and make possible what has just happened in New York and may happen elsewhere.
 
The Clintons and others (years ago) liked to opine that they wanted abortions that was “Legal, Safe, and Rare”.  That sounds nice.  But “sound” was all there was too it.  The further to the right of that sentence you went, the less concerned they were… “Rare” was of no concern at all.
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 4:05pm
[Warning... what some call Bible babble and theology ahead.]
 
Jake W >> God's vengeance will be beyond people's imagination...
 
Yes, it is.  I've often surmised that there are things that the human mind cannot fully grasp.  Infinity might be a good example.  I think Heaven and Hell fall into that category as well.
 
We are given descriptions that the human mind can relate too... but we really don't know and can't until it (one or the other) is staring us in the face.
 
Paul, I think touched on this when he wrote the Corinthians "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully..."
 
Dante I think got it right when he wrote in the Divine Comedy "Abandon hope all ye who enter here" as the sign above the gates to Hell.
 
Me?  I have a lot to answer for; as much as any of these described in this post.  I have no defense.  My only hope is to hear Christ proclaim, "He is one of mine". :)
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2019 - 5:48pm
LMAO... Karma... and all that.
 
TexasLynn >> The left does indeed practice this.  They will turn on their own and stone them in a heartbeat...
 
One of the miscreants above (Virginia Governor Ralph Northam) was just exposed in a little "black-face" incident back in medical school days.  A yearbook page dedicated to him... has three pictures of him... AND a picture of two unidentified individuals (one of black-face and one in a Klan costume).  The assumption is Northan is one of those individuals.
 
Now... this just came out and the details may be other than they appear.  So, hold off on the stoning for just a little while... All I ask is that Northan receive the same fair treatment someone on the other side of the aisle (a Republican) would receive.  Nothing more... nothing less.
FacePalm Added Feb 1, 2019 - 6:04pm
Leroy-
Thanks for the recommend; a good read.  i sortof made a habit of swimming against the tide, myself, for example in my wariness of Paul when compared to Christ's teachings; many "christians" have attempted - futilely, i might add - to dissuade me of this opinion.  i'd like to think i'd not succumb easily to the pressures of the crowd/mob, but maybe i deceive myself.
 
But while we're on the subject, have you ever read Clemens' "War Prayer"?  It, too, is quite excellent; he ordered it to be published only after his death, saying "Only dead men can tell the truth in this world."
 
It's an anti-war screed which makes nearly the same points as made in the Mysterious Stranger, but uses an angel, instead.  Here's a link.
Leroy Added Feb 1, 2019 - 7:30pm
Glad you enjoyed the link, FacePalm.  It seems like I had heard of the "War Prayer".  I followed the link and read it.  I don't think that I have ever read it before.  It certainly gives warmongers something to think about.  I've often thought about the prayers for victory that are said by both sides at football games.  How does God decide?
 
I'm not that well-read on Twain's works, but I found his historical fiction on Joan d'Arc riveting.  It's called, "Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc".  It's a fantastic read, if you ever get a chance.  It gave me a different perspective on Joan of Arc.  Twain performed painstaking research before writing the book.
Leroy Added Feb 1, 2019 - 7:38pm
"Now... this just came out and the details may be other than they appear.  So, hold off on the stoning for just a little while... All I ask is that Northan receive the same fair treatment someone on the other side of the aisle (a Republican) would receive.  Nothing more... nothing less."
 
I can't help but be amused.  He's admitted it now, but not which one.  It seems quite obvious that he is the bigger one in blackface.  The one in the clan hood is very small, perhaps a woman.
TexasLynn Added Feb 2, 2019 - 7:11am
On Virginia Governor Ralph Northam and what is happening to him now...
 
This is all about Northam screwing up on describing a late-term "abortion" (really infanticide).  The exposure of this photo is not a spontaneous event.  Somebody didn't just discover this yesterday.  Somebody has had it for years.  And there is a better than even chance it was his own party that released it.
 
Northam is refusing to resign.  Good.  The longer he's out there and in the spotlight the better for exposing what these guys stand far (meaning the abortion issue).
Leroy Added Feb 2, 2019 - 7:56am
The way I look at it is that it was a youthful indiscretion, or more accurately, youthful stupidity.  I did a lot of stupid things at that age.  I never did the blackface thing, nor have I ever witnessed anyone doing it.  I know that being brought up in the South that I am obliged to dress in blackface and attend KKK meetings, but I fail to live up to the expectations of my northern brethren.  In college, I was asked to go to a KKK event.  I refused, but after thinking about it, I decided I would go if asked again to satisfy my curiosity.  The guy asked me again and I went.  It turned out to be a lumberjack competition.  I think the guy was just trying to impress me and had never been to one himself.  I suppose that I am guilty of intent.
 
I was brought up in a small town that was 70% black.  I would have been killed had I pulled such a stunt...by my parents.  My parents were small business owners in a small town.  It would have devastated business.  I would like to think that if I ever did something as stupid as that, I wouldn't have let it be published.
 
By 1983, the world was sufficiently woke.  Maybe not quite yet among the elites.  Now, if the Republican in Florida wasn't sufficiently woke, he needed to go.  That was recent.  This guy...maybe I would cut him some slack. 
 
On the abortion front, it is unforgivable.  I enjoy the attention that the Democratic party is receiving over its depravity.  He probably would have been a presidential candidate in 2020, a rising star in the Democratic party.  The Republican party has finally learned to play dirty like the Democratic party.  But, it is more ugly when the Republicans do it.
Steel Breeze Added Feb 2, 2019 - 11:05am
TL,honest response,thanks,tho we dont see religion the same........my question was actually quite serious.with old age and too much time to reflect,i look back and wonder what purpose did my existence serve?.....no 'great scheme of things'.....no meaningful impact on the human condition.....no much of ---anything.....like i said,too much time....
Stone-Eater Added Feb 2, 2019 - 12:27pm
Steel
 
Good reflection.
Stone-Eater Added Feb 2, 2019 - 12:31pm
As long as the existence of any higher being, called god, allah, vishnu or whatever is not proven it's fairytale to me. And I'm too old to believe in fairytales. I know reality.
Marty Koval Added Feb 2, 2019 - 1:13pm
Infanticide is murder. Abortion offends God. Procured abortion is never a mere personal choice but a grave offense against God and His creation.
 
People who believe in this barbaric behavior like Governor Andrew Cuomo and the state legislators who approve of this evil behavior and law will someday be judged by Jesus Christ at the White Throne of judgment (Judgment of the Damned). At this judgment, no defense attorneys will be allowed. Jesus will look into the book of life and say your name is not here. You are guilty, and condemned to eternal life of solitary confinement in the Lake of Burning Sulfur for ever and ever.
Marty Koval Added Feb 2, 2019 - 2:08pm
FreeEarCandy
 
 
Abortion is the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy. The Bible book of Genesis does not talk about abortion.
 
Adam and Eve disobeyed God's commands not to eat from the tree of life. This disobedience resulted in mankind losing eternal life on earth. Yes, God did kill people, because they were doing evil in the eyes of the Lord. The flood, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, Lots wife. But he always warned people beforehand. They were destroyed because they didn't listen to His warning. He is a loving God who would never do anything unjust.
 
The fact that God is just, means that He can and will judge between right and wrong and He will administer justice in accordance with His standards. Many times in the Bible God is pictured as a judge. The Bible says that He will one day judge the world, which will occur after His second coming.
 
 
Marty Koval Added Feb 2, 2019 - 3:51pm
FreeEarCandy:
 
Satan the Great Deceiver and Father of Lies has got you exactly where he wants you to be. He wants you to reject the Truth and Light of the Bible for the Lies and Darkness of the devil and the great serpent .
 
There are many scriptures that discuss the subject of hell, for it is not a place where anyone wants to spend eternity, so it is important for All People to know the Scriptures describing this horrible place.
 
Revelation 21:8 - But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
 
Matthew 13:42 - and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
Psalm 112:10 - The wicked will see it and be vexed, He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The desire of the wicked will perish.
 
Matthew 25:30 - Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
If this is what you long for your future eternity, go for it. If you do, I hope you truly desire to be in solitary confinement, in total darkness, in constant agony of the fire, gnashing your death forever.
TexasLynn Added Feb 2, 2019 - 4:57pm
Leroy >> The way I look at it is that it was a youthful indiscretion, or more accurately, youthful stupidity.
 
True... but to be clear this was post college.  Medical school.  He was about 25 at the time... still
 
Leroy >> I did a lot of stupid things at that age.
 
Oh yeah... :)
 
Leroy >> I never did the blackface thing, nor have I ever witnessed anyone doing it.
 
Are you sure... because as I write this... Northam has just un-admited it.  After apologizing and then conferring with family and friends... he realized he wasn't in that picture.
 
He is falling back on a defense assuming that people (especially blacks) are complete and total idiots.  It's really insulting when you think about it.
 
To see this as total bullshit one need only ask himself one question.  How many people out there know without any doubt whether or not they have ever worn black-face or a Klan outfit.  The answer is zero.  And Northan is no exception.  He's decided that nobody can prove anything... got a few ducks in a row... and is rolling the dice.
 
Leroy >> I know that being brought up in the South that I am obliged to dress in blackface and attend KKK meetings, but I fail to live up to the expectations of my northern brethren.
 
Yeah right... what many yankees (and Europeans) assume the South is today... didn't even exist twenty, forty, or even fifty years ago.
 
Leroy >> I suppose that I am guilty of intent.
 
That is an interesting story.  I've lived in the South my entire life.  I've never even met one person who claimed to be a Klansman; much less organizations and meetings.
 
Leroy >> I would have been killed had I pulled such a stunt...by my parents.
 
Exactly... the stigma of such a thing would have been devastating ... even then.
 
Leroy >> On the abortion front, it is unforgivable.
 
Exactly... Northam should resign for any number of reasons.  Number one... his depiction of how a baby should be killed if legislation he supported became law.
 
Leroy >> I enjoy the attention that the Democratic party is receiving over its depravity.
 
The do deserve it.  It's good to see karma kick in on this.
 
Leroy >> The Republican party has finally learned to play dirty like the Democratic party.
 
Various Republicans are calling for him to resign but that about all we know.
 
I think, in all probability, that this photo was released by Northan's own party; because he became a liability.  They had this in a file somewhere and decided to pull it and throw him under the bus.
 
Northam's career didn't end because someone found a photo.  It ended because he told the truth about depravity his Party is pushing.
TexasLynn Added Feb 2, 2019 - 4:59pm
SB >> TL,honest response,thanks,tho we dont see religion the same...
 
If I try to be anything, it's honest.  You and I don't have to share religion to discuss things honesty and respectfully.
 
SB >> .....my question was actually quite serious.with old age and too much time to reflect,i look back and wonder what purpose did my existence serve?
 
What man has not asked those questions?  I certainly have... and I hope that's evident in my demeanor.  Asking those questions has led me to where I am now.
 
I asked myself, is this (everything) all one big accident or was there a creator?
 
My Conclusion: A creator
 
I asked myself if there was a creator would he ignore his creation or reveal Himself to it?
 
My Conclusion: He would reveal Himself
 
I asked myself if He revealed Himself, what is the most logical means of doing so?
 
My Conclusion: He would come here Himself... thus Christ.  From there I can find my purpose.
 
I just share this as a description of my journey in search for meaning.
 
SB >> .....no 'great scheme of things'.....no meaningful impact on the human condition.....no much of ---anything.....like i said,too much time....
 
If you can spare a bit of time... read on Solomon (supposedly the wisest man ever).  He's a bit of a downer but he came to many of the same conclusions you have.
 
If anything read the first chapter of Ecclesiastes (it won't take five minutes).
 
Stone Eater >> Steel, Good reflection.
 
I agree. :)
 
I appreciate indulgence on my reflection on the same matter.
TexasLynn Added Feb 2, 2019 - 4:59pm
Marty >> Infanticide is murder. Abortion offends God. Procured abortion is never a mere personal choice but a grave offense against God and His creation.
 
Yes, Marty.  It is a grave sin, both personally and nationally.  But I will reiterate that NO sin is beyond redemption... personally... and nationally.
 
Your description of judgment is referred to in the title and opening of this post.  "Every knee will bend, every tongue confess that Christ is Lord and God".  Not every confession will be one of joy.
 
Thanks for the comment.
TexasLynn Added Feb 2, 2019 - 5:00pm
FEC, I'll try to address some of your "points"...
 
FEC >> Are you serious? Are you trying to say that only democrats have abortions?
 
No... I'm saying that Democrats are the only ones who push abortion to the point of infanticide.
 
FEC >> In the end, I don't know what is worse. If there is no God and afterlife, then all of life is pure unadulterated vanity, and by all accounts, life is the most unluckiest of all circumstances to find oneself in.
 
A logical conclusion... you might be surprised that biblical men agreed with you.
 
Paul said If there is no God and/or Christ is not His risen Son... then Christian faith is useless and those who have died have died for nothing.  He concluded... If this life is all there is... then "we are of all people most to be pitied".
 
Of course, Paul was telling us... this is not the case.
 
But, I agree with you... if this is it the entire existence of humanity is one big, sad, cosmic joke... no more significant than a grain of sand on a beach.
 
I, personally, don't know how people who believe that even function day to day.  It must be a horrible existence for many.
 
FEC >> All that are conceived will die, as so commanded by God himself. We have all been aborted, according to scripture.
 
I have no idea where you get this stuff... All men are immortal (according to scripture); it is simply these earthly bodies that will pass away.
 
Eternity?  Smoking or non-smoking... :)
 
FEC >> God even reportedly killed his own son Jesus.
 
God allowed (sent actually) His own Son, Jesus to experience being totally human which would include death.  God even knew when he sent Him that his Death would be horrific at the hands of the Jews and Romans (humanity actually) ... and sent Him anyway.
 
Why? (see below)
 
FEC >> What did Jesus do to deserve death?
 
Nothing!  And THAT is the whole point of the matter.  He came and died and paid the price for what WE deserve.  So that we could receive what He deserves.  It's not fair... not by a long shot that we can't even comprehend... but it's not fair in our favor.
 
And understand Jesus is God; and He paid the debt He needed to reconcile with us.
 
I'm going to stop here lest I start casting pearls and encourage others to refrain as well.
 
Maybe… get back to the topic of the post.
Stone-Eater Added Feb 2, 2019 - 8:47pm
"God" is simply a synonym for the universe, for something the human mind can't grasp. In order to get the whole thing sorted out, we created it. Call it god, allah, jahwe or whatever.
 
We had to personalize something we don't understand somehow.
 
And that became god.
TexasLynn Added Feb 2, 2019 - 9:41pm
SE >> "God" is simply a synonym for the universe,...
It that's so then man is the universe's cosmic bad joke.  Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die...
Marty Koval Added Feb 2, 2019 - 10:03pm
Stone-Eater
 
God made the universe and there are three heavens within the universe, which the Bible talks about
 
First heaven consists of the clouds and the atmosphere, the heavens above us, until we come to the stars. The Earth's atmosphere ends at 73 miles above the Earth's surface.
 
Second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit. The stars are seemingly endless and the distance between all of them is staggering. The second heaven is commonly referred to as “outer space.
 
Third Heaven - Is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God and the holy angels (and creatures) and spirits of just men dwell. It is called “The heaven of heavens. A “third heaven” is mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 - 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.
 
Without God, the universe would not even exist
 
FacePalm Added Feb 2, 2019 - 10:43pm
Tex-
i was just watching Jeanine Pirro, and she had the people who made the movie "Gosnell" on; it'll be opening in theaters "soon," and this is one of those "must-see" movies.
 
Kermit Gosnell was America's most prolific serial killer - of babies - and this movie is about his trial.
TexasLynn Added Feb 2, 2019 - 10:52pm
FacePalm... Actually (if I'm not mistaken, and I'm not :) )... Gosnell was already "released" in the theaters.  Holywood and the theater companies made sure it didn't appear on many screens.  I wanted to go see it, but would have had to drive two/three hours (one way) to one of the few theaters in Texas that screened it.
 
The left succeeded in stopping it from being seen for awhile, but now it's about to be released on DVD.  And since everybody was prevented from seeing it, NOW it has been the #1 DVD selling on Amazon for weeks... and it doesn't even ship until Friday (Feb 5th).
 
I highly encourage everybody buy it and watch it... both to support those who made it and just to show the bastards who tried to ban it.
 
Good... relevant... plug. :)
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 3, 2019 - 3:04am
We are becoming wicket. I'm also pro-choice, but something is tipping as of recently. This cheering and pushing for ever laxer laws. I mean, if you have 9 months to contemplate, you don't make a choice on the final day as long as there are no severe health concerns. The Goddess Ann Coulter was right after all. There is a church of liberalism and abortion is its human sacrifice.
FacePalm Added Feb 3, 2019 - 6:37am
Tex-
The left succeeded in stopping it from being seen for awhile, but now it's about to be released on DVD.  And since everybody was prevented from seeing it, NOW it has been the #1 DVD selling on Amazon for weeks... and it doesn't even ship until Friday (Feb 5th).
Ah!
Then i obviously mis-heard.  Thanks for the info!
Ward Tipton Added Feb 3, 2019 - 7:47am
Oh, we are just going to ban smoking on buses and airplanes. Only those crazy conspiracy theorists believe that we are going to do more than that! 
 
Oh, we are only going to use traffic cameras to monitor the traffic, they will never be used to generate revenue, issue tickets or to track the general public. Only those crazy conspiracy theorists believe in that stuff! 
 
The underlying implications of the conclusions where this slippery slope ends should indeed be troubling for everyone here. 
Marty Koval Added Feb 3, 2019 - 8:19am
FreeEarCandy
 
It must be remembered that when Jesus came to earth, He emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.( Philippians 2:7).
 
The night before Jesus Christ was crucified, He prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane. It is in Luke’s Gospel where we see that His sweat was like drops of blood: “And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground” (Luke 22:44). Hematidrosis is a rare, but very real, medical condition where one’s sweat will contain blood. The sweat glands are surrounded by tiny blood vessels. These vessels can constrict and then dilate to the point of rupture where the blood will then effuse into the sweat glands. Its cause—extreme anguish. In the other Gospel accounts, we see Jesus’ level of anguish: “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death” (Matthew 26:38; Mark 14:34).
 
The intense anguish and sorrow Jesus felt was certainly understandable. Being God, Christ knew “all that was going to happen to Him” (John 18:4). He knew in painstaking detail the events that were to follow soon after He was betrayed by one of His very own disciples. He knew He was about to undergo several trials where all of the witnesses against Him would lie. He knew that many who had hailed Him as the Messiah only days earlier would now be screaming for His crucifixion (Luke 23:23). He knew He would be flogged nearly to the point of death before they pounded the metal spikes into His flesh. He knew the prophetic words of Isaiah spoken seven centuries earlier that He would be beaten so badly that He would be “disfigured beyond that of any man” and “beyond human likeness” (Isaiah 52:14). Certainly, these things factored into His great anguish and sorrow, causing Him to sweat drops of blood. Yet there was more.
 
Crucifixion was considered to be the most painful and torturous method of execution ever devised and was used on the most despised and wicked people. In fact, so horrific was the pain that a word was designed to help explain it—excruciating, which literally means “from the cross.” From His arrest in the garden until the time our Lord stated, “It is finished” (John 19:30), Scripture records only one instance where Jesus “cried out in a loud voice” (Matthew 27:46). As our sinless Savior bore the weight of the world’s sins on His shoulders, His Father must have looked away, as His “eyes are too pure to look on evil” (Habakkuk1:13), causing the suffering Servant to cry out “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46). The spiritual pain of this feeling of abandonment no doubt greatly exceeded the intense physical pain the Lord endured on our behalf.
 
At the beginning of creation, human history began in a garden (Genesis 2:8), and when the first Adam sinned against God in this garden, death entered the world (Genesis 3:6). Thousands of years later, Jesus Christ, the last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), entered into another garden to accept the cup from His Father’s hand (Matthew 26:42; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42), and death was about to be swallowed up in victory. Although God’s plan was designed before the creation of the world (Ephesians 1:4–5), we must never forget that its execution came at a great cost. Ultimately, then, we are the ones responsible for the blood that dripped from our Savior as He prayed in the garden. And we are the reason Jesus’ soul was overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Indeed, these bloodied sweat drops came at a great cost; let us never forget that.
FacePalm Added Feb 3, 2019 - 9:21am
Marty-
Elsewhere on these boards, on Cullen's "Evidence for the Biblical Exodus," i think, i'd posted about Ron Wyatt, who says that not only did he discover the real place where Christ was crucified, but that approx. 600 years prior to that taking place, the Ark of the Covenant was hidden under that spot; when the earth was rent at Golgotha after He died, and Longinus stabbed Him in His side to make sure that He was dead, the water and blood which came out went down through the crack in the earth and sprinkled itself on the Mercy Seat of the Ark.
He took a sample of this blood and had it tested.
 
According to him, there were only 24 chromosomes - 23 from the mother(assumbed to be Mary or Miriam), and One from an "unknown source."  When the mostly Jewish DNA scientists asked Wyatt where the blood had come from, he answered, "From your Messiah."  Again according to his report, the blood was still alive.
 
Subsequent to Wyatt's discoveries, the excavation under Golgotha was filled back in and sealed.
 
His testimony can be found with a search @ youtube, or if any request it, i'll find and post a link to it.
TexasLynn Added Feb 3, 2019 - 10:29am
TexasLynn >> I have no idea where you get this stuff.
FEC >> Did I tell you I was raised in a Catholic orphanage and was taught the bible from front to back by highly educated priest and nuns?
 
My statement is regarding misapplication and misinterpretation of scripture and Christian doctrine in making your arguments.  Giving the benefit of the doubt to the priest and nuns, I assume this is  something you have acquired due to your rebellion against the word and not what they taught.
 
That's your right.  We all have the free will to choose.
 
Please forgive my not addressing your counterpoints... I just don't see any value in it.  Neither of us is going to convince the other.
TexasLynn Added Feb 3, 2019 - 10:29am
Benjamin G >> I'm also pro-choice, but something is tipping as of recently.  This cheering and pushing for ever laxer laws.
 
Exactly.  We don't have to agree on abortion overall to see and agree that where this is going is beyond any sane person would consider humane.  Thus both sides needs to expose and oppose this these people and their agenda.
 
Benjamin G >> I mean, if you have 9 months to contemplate, you don't make a choice on the final day as long as there are no severe health concerns.
 
Very, very few abortions have anything to do with health concerns.  We're talking less than 1%.  Most Americans support restrictions past the first trimester... It's just common sense.
 
Benjamin G >> Ann Coulter was right after all. There is a church of liberalism and abortion is its human sacrifice.
 
And, if there is a God, we should fear his judgment.  If not... then anything goes (as we have seen here).
TexasLynn Added Feb 3, 2019 - 10:30am
FaceP >> Ah! Then i obviously mis-heard.  Thanks for the info!
 
I know this only because my mother wanted to see this movie, but the left had shut it down in the theaters.  I promised her I would get it as soon as it came out on DVD.
TexasLynn Added Feb 3, 2019 - 10:30am
Ward T >> The underlying implications of the conclusions where this slippery slope ends should indeed be troubling for everyone here.
 
Thus, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance... tyranny and evil will always test those boundaries.  Anyone who says we have evolved, says it will never happen again, or says it can't happen here... is a fool.
TexasLynn Added Feb 3, 2019 - 10:30am
Jake W,
I think there will always (on this earth) be a component of faith in our belief in God; because faith is something God desires in us.  By the time there is no doubt (the return of Christ) it will be too late for many.
 
I have no problem with people who come to a different conclusion than I do concerning God.  But at the same time, they attack my faith while blindly placing the same faith in worldly things.  Scientific theories become fact, they worship the earth complete with original sin, dogma, heretics and an angry god...
 
I've always said that pride may result in the destruction of many men, but laziness will come in a close second.  Most simply decide not to seek, because if they find something, suddenly it might place a few obligations on their conduct and time.  That is not something they are willing to part with... so better hope and just leave well enough alone.
 
Satan (the adversary) does indeed continue his work against men.  I'll note that he does not have to get people to worship him.  He only has to get people to ignore god.  That is his strategy.  His greatest victory is convincing people neither he nor God exists.
 
Mankind is by our nature sinful... turning from God is not a Jewish thing (I mean this from a historical OT perspective).  That is why Jesus told us to "deny ourselves"; the last thing we want to do it "embrace yourself", "be true to yourself".  Most of us will not take his advice.
 
This post is just one example (a big one) of us (the U.S.) embracing our nature at the cost of millions of innocent lives... and celebrating it.  "Those smiling ladies" used in the picture was very telling.  The older, white haired lady to the left was absolutely ghoulish in nature.
 
You are right that we in the U.S. should fear judgment (the Shoah) for our national actions.  This is just as true for the whole as for the individual that had better pray there is no God, no judgment, no hell.
 
Thanks for the comment.
FacePalm Added Feb 3, 2019 - 1:00pm
FEC-
Do you recall when you lost faith?  i can see that you've developed many legitimate reasons why, but i can't see this bitterness being any kind of wholesome development in your life.
 
Did the hypocrisy of those running the orphanage have much to do with it? 
 
One of my favorite on-point citations goes like this:
 
"Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Gandhi, he asked him, 'Mr. Gandhi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is it that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming His follower?'
Gandhi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.'"
FacePalm Added Feb 3, 2019 - 1:11pm
One more thing:
There are over 900 christian bibles. Which of the 900 interpretations is the true word of God?
 
John 1:1 et seq. declares that Christ - not the bible - is the Word of God - living, eternal, and infinitely superior to every bible ever written, typed, or printed.
 
After all, if what many christians say is true - that the bible is the Word - then that passage could be truthfully re-written as "In the Beginning was the bible, and the bible was with God, and the bible was God," which, is, of course, a ridiculous, even blasphemous notion.
 
The psalmist, when describing an idol, says that it has no eyes with which to see, no ears with which to hear, no mouth with which to speak, and it cannot move of itself" - all perfectly applicable to the bible, but the Living Christ?  Not.
 
One of the apocryphal scriptures i read stated that when Christ was asked why He had to suffer and die, He replied "To get your attention."
FacePalm Added Feb 3, 2019 - 1:31pm
Missed your earlier reply.
Yes, i'm not RC and have sharp disagreements with how they run their thing(pretty sure when Christ said "but among you, it shall not be so"(in reference to lording it over one another), He was insisting upon a brotherhood of man, none greater or lesser-than another, and definitely no hierarchies.)
 
That said, i am grateful to them for preserving the writings of the mystics, everyone from the so-called desert fathers up through Thomas Merton.  The experience of the Most High is infinitely superior to years of theology, that is, the "study" of God.
TexasLynn Added Feb 5, 2019 - 7:52pm
Political cartoonist Michael Rameriz always has a way of putting things into perspective.