Abortion Doublespeak

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The principled hypocrisy is on blatant display for both sides of this issue.  
There is much more hypocrisy from the left as they stand for a woman's right to kill their child but deny a mother's right to spank the same.  Wow.  
However, the right has their own problems as well.  The right says that a mother should not have the right to abort a child, by law, but also say that parent's rights are continuing to be violated by the "nanny-state".
The right also does not realize that there are 40-50 million less democratic voters today because of abortion (60 million abortions since Roe V Wade).  Eventually, the left just kill off their legacy.
 If there is not a clear-cut legal answer I will always fall on the side of liberty when it comes to political policies.  Personally, the idea of killing an infant (in or out of the womb) is a tragedy and morally repugnant to me.  However, I'm not arrogant enough to think that whatever moral choices I have should be everyone's choice as well.  There are some moral principles that I think should be canonized in law . . . abortion is not one of them. 

Parents should have complete domination over their offspring up until they are legal adults.  For me, the abortion question is resolved, logically, when the child reaches the legal age of an adult.  If the parents had the legal right to abort a child up until the legal age, kids would respect their parents and our society much more than today.  "If I brought you into this world, I sure as hell should have the right to take you out of it!".  

Abortion is less a principled issue and more the "club" which both sides use to beat up their opposition.

"See!  You don't care about women!"

"See!  You don't care about children!"

Right now, the law is a hypocritical arbiter on the topic of parent's rights.  I say, let's just stop the legal hypocrisy.  That is a bigger issue.


Eric Reports Added Feb 1, 2019 - 7:27pm
You need to address where feminism is on abortion.  Feminists want it to compete in a man's world.
Autumn Cote Added Feb 1, 2019 - 9:27pm
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Spartacus Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:11pm
Got it, Autumn.  I thought I had commented yesterday.  I comment here so much that I thought I was covered.
Spartacus Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:15pm
You need to address where feminism is on abortion.
Not sure I need to address it.  Why?  We all know their position on abortion.  
Spartacus Added Feb 1, 2019 - 11:17pm
Again, let that choice fall to the principals and thus it should be up to the parents. 
I agree, Mogg.  Good comments.
The price of freedom is personal responsibility and sacrifice.  
Cullen Kehoe Added Feb 2, 2019 - 4:30am
I think abortion is best left legal at this point. So many people have a reduced grip on reality that they believe the Handmaid's Tale is right around the corner. And trying to make it illegal shuts down people's receptiveness to what is otherwise very effective public relations campaign (life what a beautiful choice). It just keeps the issue political football if the fight over LEGALITY of abortion continues.
(What I'm getting at is you can probably get abortion rates lowest by leaving it legal and keeping the public relations going.)
I have no problem with legal restrictions up to 20 weeks, etc... either.
Leroy Added Feb 2, 2019 - 8:19am
The solution is quite simple.  Remand it back to the states where it should be.
It doesn't resolve the moral issue, but if it so offends your moral principals, one way or the other, move to a different state.  I'm pro-life but I am not going to put a gun to someone's head and force them to follow my sense of morality.
Dino Manalis Added Feb 2, 2019 - 1:29pm
 Parental discipline is essential to teach obedience, otherwise, teachers have to do it!
ChetDude Added Feb 2, 2019 - 6:21pm
According to the nuns in my Catholic Schools in the 50s, it's NOT a "child" -- They taught 'the spirit enters the body at birth'.
It's obscene to make public policies based on a minority's interpretation of sky-god myths and patriarchal bullsh*t...
The major difference between we in the Pro-Choice Movement and the anti-choice fanatics is that WE AREN'T FORCING ANYONE TO HAVE AN ABORTION IF THEY DON'T WANT ONE but YOU GUYS WANT TO IMPOSE YOUR MYTHS ON PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T F*CKING BELIEVE THEM!
ChetDude Added Feb 2, 2019 - 6:23pm
By the way, pesky SCIENCE has decided that corporal punishment is counter-productive...it doesn't work as well as rational adult responses to children's behavior...
Spartacus Added Feb 2, 2019 - 10:22pm
The solution is quite simple.  Remand it back to the states where it should be.
That was the argument made by supreme court justice White in his dissenting opinion.
The supreme court ruling cannot simply be remanded or overturned.  The court ruled that the priorities of the mother outweigh a potential life.  
It was interesting in his dissenting opinion.  I was hoping there were more legs, legally, arguing for the rights of the fetus.  He did not make any of those points.
His main argument:
. . . but in my view, its judgment [supreme court] is an improvident and extravagant exercise of the power of judicial review that the Constitution extends to this Court.
Very thin argument from the main dissenting justice of Roe vs Wade.
Leroy Added Feb 3, 2019 - 7:33am
Spartacus, "remanding" was a poor choice of words.  
"The supreme court ruling cannot simply be remanded or overturned."
I inquired whether or not a Supreme Court decision could be overturned.  Over 300 rulings have been overturned.  Settled law is never really settled.  Check this CNN article out.  It uses overruled and overturned interchangeably.  I'm no legal scholar, but the proper term, it would seem, should be "overturned".  Something like half of the 300 were overturned in the first twenty years.  After twenty years, it starts to become rarer.  It seems most bad decisions are generally corrected quickly.  Roe vs Wade has withstood the test of time, but, perhaps it is because it is so controversial and the product of a more liberal court that existed until recently.
Ward Tipton Added Feb 3, 2019 - 8:19am
If I am not mistaken, has abortion not always been legal for matters concerning the health and well being of the mother? 
The difference if I remember correctly, is that before Roe V Wade, it was not available as a viable means of birth control or as a mere matter of convenience for someone who failed to perform the same function as a train and pull out on time!
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 3, 2019 - 2:23pm
Spartacus, I just like this statement  <<Parents should have complete domination over their offspring up until they are legal adults.  . . . .  If the parents had the legal right to abort a child up until the legal age, kids would respect their parents and our society much more than today. >>  Remember myself and see my children's teenager.  I think that the nation would return to wilderness in a few generations.

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