Is America The Next Venezuela?

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The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is an entirely outmoded document!  Useful at one time, It’s now an excuse for malcontents and fools to obtain weapons they invariably misuse. That, at least, is what a large segment of America's political establishment would have you believe. Are they right?

 

Into the debate comes the report of one Javier Vanegas. Mr. Vanegas, age 28, is a Venezuelan refugee living in Ecuador. He relates how his country of Venezuela was destroyed in “six short years”. It began, he tells us, when then President Hugo Chavez, taking a cue from Castro’s Cuba, decided to confiscate all civilian guns in 2012. An amnesty was declared, after which anyone caught with a firearm could spend up to twenty years behind bars. Despite this threat, only thirty seven guns were turned in. Nearly 12,500 had to be seized by force. When Chavez died, the policy of firearm confiscation was continued by his successor, President Nicolas Maduro. When members of the pro-democracy movement publicly protested the gun grab, over 200 of them were killed. When the police opened fire, all they could do was to throw stones. Predictably, Venezuela morphed into a complete dictatorship forcing over three million of its citizens to flee the country.

 

How did such a tragedy come about? Mr. Vanegas tells us the gun confiscation bill was originally sold to the Venezuelan National Assembly as a crime prevention bill.  Hmmm, why does that sound familiar? Once the law was enacted, the murder rate really went down in Venezuela, right?  No, wrong!  In 2015 the number of murders in Venezuela reached 28,000, the world's highest.  For 2018, the homicide rate was 56.33 per 100,000. Again, a record setter, far exceeding the world’s average of 6.02 per 100,000. According to Mr. Vanegas, the only people who have guns in Venezuela now, besides the police, are street gangs preying on the disarmed citizenry. Why am I not surprised?

 

Back here in the America, Second Amendment defenders like myself are increasing confronted with this question: “What if one of the high school kids killed by a miscreant had been your grandchild?” My answer, truthfully, is that I’d be devastated. However, that would still not change the grim arithmetic that repeatedly confirms that many more innocent civilians would lose their lives if guns were entirely banned.

 

For physicians, the history of medicine presents us with many grim tradeoffs.  It wasn’t so long ago when removing a gangrenous limb was almost as dangerous as leaving it in place. With early immunotherapy, you could die from a toxin or take your chances with horse serum. Certain forms of cancer chemotherapy are almost as dangerous as the tumors themselves.

 

In all such cases, the profession has wisely chosen to go with the most favorable odds no matter narrowly they might be drawn. And that’s what we must do with respect to civilian gun ownership. Why is this the right approach? Here, I’ll let Javier Venegas have the last word:

 

Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least [to be]able to put up a fight. The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population”.

 

When you look at the Democratic party in America, you see it has been infiltrated by numerous Democratic socialists in Congress. The Democratic socialists in principle support economic and gun control/confiscation policies just as radical as those supported by the revolutionary socialists in Venezuela.

 

When you look at the people who have announced or are seriously considering running for President in 2020, many have very strong socialistic views about more government control, limiting free speech through political correctness, more gun control or outright gun confiscation. Some of these candidates are: Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, and Andrew Cuomo.

 

Gun confiscators of America, what is it you don’t understand?

Comments

rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 2, 2019 - 4:05pm
The unsatiated quest and animal blood-thirst for power and the monies belonging to others motivates the left before all else. Their entire ideology is based on grabbing what you can similar to muggers and shoplifters. Venezuela was a stunning victory for the Marxists and their lackeys as as much wealth as could be extracted from that society was successfully completed and what is left in oil deposits may still be claimed by Maduro,a bus driver in Caracas, and his thugs. 
 
The actions by Maduro and his predecessor are abetted and sanctioned by the strange silence of the far left as they, too, would use the Venezuela model to take over as much as they can of  the US. 
ChetDude Added Feb 2, 2019 - 5:15pm
USAmerica is already "Venezuela" on steroids...a complete, undemocratic gangster capitalist state...
 
'It is also preposterous to assert that “socialism has failed” in Venezuela, when 70 percent of the country’s economy is in private hands, the country is completely integrated into the world capitalist system and it is (overly) dependent on a commodity with a price that wildly fluctuates on capitalist markets. Venezuela is a capitalist country that does far more than most to ameliorate the conditions of capitalism and in which socialism remains an aspiration. If something has “failed,” it is capitalism. Leaving much of the economy in the hands of capitalists leaves them with the ability to sabotage an economy, a lesson learned in painful fashion during target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">the 1980s in Sandinista Nicaragua.'
 
ChetDude Added Feb 2, 2019 - 5:18pm
 

rycK the JFK Democrat: You clowns come up with the most amazingly cartoonish delusions about the "left", a group of people whose values and principles you obviously know nothing about...
 
It would be quite laughable if the result of your pathological myths weren't so existentially dangerous...
 
But, rave on, rave on.  You're rather impotent and irrelevant when you're doing it here...
Stone-Eater Added Feb 2, 2019 - 8:50pm
Chet
 
Right on.
Marty Koval Added Feb 2, 2019 - 8:51pm
ChetDude:
 
Winston Churchill was right on with this wise statement: "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
 
Venezuela’s once-modern economy has collapsed into a sort of 21st century feudalism. Monetization of large public deficits, coupled with mismanagement of the state-dominated oil industry, has led to hyperinflation and shortages of foreign currency, basic goods, and industrial inputs. An economic plan launched in August 2018 included the removal of five zeroes from the currency, a massive devaluation, and another large increase in the minimum wage amid persistent ad hoc policy interventionism, heavy state control of the economy, and blatant disregard for the rule of law.
 
Venezuela’s modern democratic era lasted from the end of military rule in 1959 until the election of Hugo Chávez in 1999. His handpicked successor, President Nicolás Maduro, completed the destruction of democratic institutions and established a repressive authoritarian dictatorship in 2017. The bungling and deeply corrupt “21st Century Socialist” government’s policies have caused severe shortages of food, medicines, and other consumer goods that, combined with hyperinflation, have accompanied one of the worst economic contractions ever recorded. Nevertheless, Maduro was reelected in a fraudulent May 2018 election. Venezuela has the world’s largest proven oil reserves, and oil accounts for almost all exports and half of state revenues. Production is down because of government mismanagement of the state-owned PDVSA oil company.
 
Venezuela’s Economic freedom rating is 179 out of 180 countries with a rating 25.9, just ahead of North Korea. In comparison, America is rating 12 out of the 180 countries with a rating 76.8. Venezuela because it is a  totalitarian state, is a failed state. They confiscated the guns from the private sector so they will have full control over the people and they succeeded.
 
When you make the statement that America is already "Venezuela" on steroids is a complete lie. If America was  like Venezuela our country would be in complete disarray, tens of millions people would be trying to sneak into Canada and Mexico for better lives. The fascist regime would be going door to door to confiscate guns and even murdering America citizens trying to defend themselves.
 
Venezuela turned into a failed state, because they disarmed their citizens. Thereby allowing a totalitarian leader to basically destroy their economy and the lives of innocent people.
 
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Feb 2, 2019 - 9:01pm
Marty
 
I hope so. The US needs a revolution before it gets swallowed entirely by the MIC.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 2, 2019 - 11:09pm
The US needs a revolution before it gets swallowed entirely
 
If DUHmericans had any balls there'd have been one already. 
 
They don't. There won't be. 
 
Ward Tipton Added Feb 3, 2019 - 7:32am
Australia has recently discovered that perhaps the private ownership of firearms is not such a bad thing. It will be interesting to watch the numbers as they tell their stories there. 
Marty Koval Added Feb 3, 2019 - 8:39am
Ward Tipton
 
You are correct on your statement that Australians now own more guns in total than they did before the 1996 crackdown, according to figures from 2016 - the last time they were comprehensively studied.
 
It is estimated there are more than three million firearms, according to separate government statistics.
 
But gun ownership per capita has dropped by 23% during the same time, said Associate Prof Philip Alpers from the University of Sydney. Far fewer people now have a gun in their home but some people have a lot more guns.
 
Dino Manalis Added Feb 3, 2019 - 12:11pm
 Just look at what's happening in Venezuela and avoid it with pro-growth policies, we need good people with guns, especially law enforcement, while barbarians must be seized before they use guns on innocent civilians!
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 3, 2019 - 1:31pm
Venezuela is now a social toilet thanks to Marxism and its various, silly variants. Remove Maduro.
Marty Koval Added Feb 3, 2019 - 5:41pm
Dictatorships or totalitarian leaders are often unexpected.  They have arisen among prosperous, educated and cultured people who seemed safe from a dictatorship in Europe, Asia and South America. This is what has happen to Germany,  Venezuela , Nicaragua, Guatemala, North Korea, and many other nations.
 
Lessons for us all of us today:

Bad economic policies and foreign policies can cause crises that have dangerous political consequences.
Politicians commonly demand arbitrary power to deal with a national emergency and restore order, even though underlying problems are commonly caused by bad government policies.
In hard times, many people are often willing to go along with and support terrible things that would be unthinkable in good times.
Those who dismiss the possibility of a dictatorial regime in America need to consider possible developments that could make our circumstances worse and politically more volatile than they are now. Like runaway government spending, soaring taxes, more wars, inflation, economic collapse, tearing down the moral pillars of society .
Aspiring dictators sometimes give away their intentions by their evident desire to destroy opponents via verbal, written and sometimes by physical force.
Aspiring dictators say there is no need for private gun ownership because e the government will protect them.
When groups of political opponent start demanding that certain speech is unacceptable .
There’s no reliable way to prevent bad or incompetent people from gaining power.
When a large segment of society starts embracing socialistic ideas that will reduce morality and limit individual beliefs.
Ultimately, liberty can be protected only if people care enough to fight for it, because everywhere governments push for more power, and they never give it up willing
A political system with a separation of powers and checks & balances – like the U.S. Constitution – does make it more difficult for one branch of government to dominate the others. But even this political system is not full proof if the vast majority of people believe that socialism is the right for America

That is what people in America must stand up and push back hard on politicians and private citizens who are embracing socialistic ideas.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 3, 2019 - 11:07pm
Those who dismiss the possibility of a dictatorial regime in America.... 
 
.....are delusional because that's what you already have there dressed up with pretty names and weaponized laws. 
 
 
Thomas Napers Added Feb 4, 2019 - 4:38am
No country is immune from the kind of turmoil like what’s happening in Venezuela.  In the case of the United States, we’re probably the furthest away.  After all, it’s America that people are escaping to.  It’s America country that has the highest GDP in the world by a wide margin.  The fact of the matter is that America is #1 in almost every measurable way.  However, should things ever deteriorate to the point where the government exerts military control over the populace like what's about to happen in Venezuela, we’ll be needing guns to protect ourselves from the government. 
 
Thankfully, the chance of that happening here is extremely small, so having guns for that reason is a ridiculous reason.  I suspect every gun owner who cites that as a reason to have guns should have their guns removed, as they are likely a danger to society. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 4, 2019 - 4:48am
The fact of the matter is that America is #1 in almost every measurable way
 
Rah Rah rah sis boom bah go team go we're number one USA USA USA BLAH Blah blah. 
 
Marty Koval Added Feb 4, 2019 - 8:46am
Thomas Napers:
 
A report released in 2016 by the Crime Prevention Research Center revealed concealed-gun-carry permit holders are nearly the most law-abiding demographic of Americans.
 
The study found that among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among conceal permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10. That is just one-seventh of the rate for police officers.” Impressive, especially since Texas and Florida have over a million residents who are active permit holders.
 
In conclusion, according to the report, “It is impossible to think of any other group in the U.S. that is anywhere near as law-abiding.”
 
Why would you want to take guns away from law abiding people? One of these law abiding people could actually save your life if you were being attack by an evil person who was going to harm you in a parking lot. There are only one million police officers in America, compared to over 15 million concealed carry permit holders. The vast majority of states, also allow people to open carry hand guns.
 
There would be a very good chance that a concealed carry permit holder or an open carry gun owner would be in that parking lot, who could make the difference of you seeing another day.
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 4, 2019 - 9:16am
The article started out about guns and taking them away from lesser humans.  The nations that do this are all class based societies.  To maintain barriers to mobility between classes and different rules for classes, thus lesser human classes, the governments have to use force.  Thus taking guns away from those lower classes eliminates the most effective tool of opposition, revolt that always comes. 
 
Communist China is such a totalitarian class society of Socialism.  Guns have been taken away from citizens after WWII. There were many reported holocaust over the years and it was believe that opening up China to the Free Market and the growth of that market would change Communist China.  I think this presents the truth. 
 
"It was reported in 2014, that a confidential U.S. government file quotes a source within the Chinese military as claiming that Communist Party of China had placed the number of dead civilians at 10,454 — a number that matches the closing statement of Sir Alan’s cable. He ended with, “Minimum estimate of civilian dead 10,000. . . . That the soldiers of the 27th Army acted like “primitives” is clear from Sir Alan’s description of their actions. Though previous unarmed troops had attempted to peacefully disperse the crowd, Sir Alan wrote, “The 27 Army APCs [armored personnel carriers] opened fire on the crowd before running over them. APCs ran over troops and civilians at 65kph.” 65 kilometers per hour is roughly 40 miles per hour.

Though the students had been “given one hour to leave the square” by previous troops, Sir Alan wrote that “after five minutes APCs attacked.” He added, “Students linked arms but were mown down.  APCs then ran over the bodies time and time again to make, quote ‘pie’ unquote.” The remains of the murdered protesters were then “collected by bulldozer” before being “incinerated and then hosed down drains.””    https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/27842-declassified-cable-death-toll-at-tiananmen-square-was-at-least-10-000? 
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 4, 2019 - 9:43am
What is the reality about citizens owning guns and conceal carry.  You will find many studies but understand that the focus of the studies that are cited by democrats do not actually discuss the actual nature of citizens owning guns.  A majority of the time the gun is not fired by criminals and citizens.  The threat is sufficient.  Those are not reported by the Democrat cited reports.  "Most uses of guns for either criminal or defensive purposes are less dramatic or consequential than one might think. Only 3% of criminal gun assaults involves anyone actually being wounded, even nonfatally, and the same is true of defensive gun uses. More commonly, guns are merely pointed at another person, or perhaps only referred to ("I've got a gun") or displayed, and this is sufficient to accomplish the ends of the user, whether criminal or non- criminal. Nevertheless, most gun owners questioned in surveys assert that they would be willing to shoot criminals under the right circumstances. A 1989 Time/CNN survey found that 78% of gun owners said they would shoot a burglar if they felt threatened by that person. . . . 
FBI counts of civilian justifiable homicides represent only a minority of all civilian legal defensive homicides. FBI-counted civilian justifiable homicides were used to estimate total civilian legal defensive homicides. FBI counts of police justifiable homicides are also reported here. Regardless of which counts of homicides by police are used, the results indicate that civilians legally kill far more felons than police officers do. The figures imply that, of 24,614 civilian (not by police) homicide deaths in the United States in 1990, about 1400 to 3200, or 5.6% to 13.0% were legal civilian defensive homicides.
 http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html  https://www.saf.org/wp-content/uploads/journals/JFPP11.pdf
 
"Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not.  The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).  . . . “gun don’t kill people, people do” – the study also shows that Russia’s murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns."  
http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
 
 
 
 
 
Johnny Fever Added Feb 5, 2019 - 9:44am
Regarding your reply to Thomas Napers, he wasn’t saying gun owners disobey the law.  He was saying that those that buy guns out of fear of government oppression are likely a little insane.  Yes, Thomas didn’t use the word “insane,” but I believe that’s what he meant and it’s definitely what I think.  In being insane and an owner of a gun, they are a threat to society. 
 
The point is this, I have no issue with guns.  There are a multitude of reasons one may wish to own a gun.  Most of those reasons don’t fear me in the slightest.  What fears me are those gun owners that think our government is out to get them.  I say this knowing full well that in a place like Venezuela, owning a gun to defend oneself from the government is currently a good reason to own a gun there. 
Don Allen Added Feb 5, 2019 - 11:03am
Probably the USA will not become a new Venezuela.  Because their power profile is based on a decisive electorate.  However, Venezuela has had numerous strong-arm leader through the centuries.  All that oil and wealth did not create a strong popular will for democratic institutions.  Even if Juan Guaidó takes control, he will be tempted to take full power - because the people/military expect him to do so.  In fact, Juan Guaidó will need to resist doing so.  But can he resist?
Marty Koval Added Feb 5, 2019 - 12:16pm
Don Allen:
 
When you have a large percentage of Democrats advocating socialism, bigger government, increasing the debt level, advocating cradle to grave social programs and pushing to strictly limit or ban gun ownership, killing babies, America is in for a troublesome period.
 
If the people of America do not wise up to the dangers of what many Democrats are proposing, we are only one generation away from being the next  Venezuela. Never say never, always be very leery of gun grabbers and those that say government knows best for We The People.
 
Don Allen Added Feb 5, 2019 - 12:29pm
You make an excellent point.  And that is the forces at work in the USA expend their efforts to change or to mold the country to a new social structure.  However, there is a caveat. Suppose the left wins the election, and they may, and then they implement "medicare-for-all."  History from the last try (Obamacare) establishes they will mess it up so badly, they will lose big in the next election.  
 
The Paradox: In the USA, if the Democrats could arrange for Republicans to run their big programs, they'd be more successful.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 5, 2019 - 1:48pm
The problem is that there in only one party in Washington, the Swamp Party.  That wants to make money and purchase seats in congress to give them a big advantage over competitors.  Skew the free market to make it a cash cow.  That is the goal of the health care industry.   
 
There is two branches of the swamp party and the only difference is that one wants the government to be a one party government and the other doesn't care.   
 
At best we have 10% of the seats filled with people that actually want liberty for all.  Do not expect any election so long as the swamp party picks the candidates to fund and almost insure being elected by outspending the liberty candidates by five or more times the amount they raise.   The swamp took down the spontaneous created tea party when it tried to organize.  
 
The only positive thing is that we can look back at the same situation in 1854.  The Kansas Nebraska Act to let the territories choose to be free or slave broke the camel's back of the slave cartel.   I am hoping that their will be a similar straw.  We have many candidates.   Then no amount of money and lying candidates claiming to be for liberty can overpower actual liberty candidates.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 5, 2019 - 3:10pm
Thomas
 
"There is two branches of the swamp party and the only difference is that one wants the government to be a one party government and the other doesn't care. "
 
There is much truth in your post here and it provides little to hope for for us for the near and distant futures. Self interests, greed, parasitism and the addictive attraction of power and wealth have consumed the souls of all elected officials who haunt that place. Indeed, this is a terminal swamp.
 
Liberty is on the brink of being lost for many years or decades when the masses can vote and force laws upon us all with a tiny margin that will eventually consume our wealth, strength, will and desires. 
 
We can look forward to either war, social stagnation or destitution given this trajectory into oblivion. 
Marty Koval Added Feb 5, 2019 - 4:02pm
Thomas Sutrina:
 
In a lot of ways you are correct when you say that America has one party in Washington DC. The politicians seem to be more concern about keeping their elected positions, then making the difficult decisions to correct many of the nation's problems. There is only a small minority of politicians who are willing to make the hard and unpopular decisions that would be better for the nation.
 
rycK the JFK Democrat:
 
The country is already in a war of immorality and control versus morality and freedom.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 5, 2019 - 4:38pm
Marty
 
"The country is already in a war of immorality and control versus morality and freedom."
 
No argument there Marty. And, it appears it will just become worse. Maduro of Venezuela seems to be a hero to millions around the globe as was Castro, Mao and Lenin. 
 
We are  in a moral and economic decline with little or nothing to slow our plunge into destitution.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 7, 2019 - 1:58am
We can look forward to either war, social stagnation or destitution given this trajectory into oblivion. 
 
Kindly don't delay.
 
Ward Tipton Added Feb 7, 2019 - 2:12am
Given the historical precedent, global war seems to be the next play. 
Marty Koval Added Feb 7, 2019 - 8:22am
Ward and Jeffery:
 
There is a final world war coming, but the vast majority of people do not have a clue when it will occur and what will happen. It will be battle of Armageddon, which  refers to the final war between human governments and God. These governments and their supporters oppose God even now by refusing to submit to his ruler ship. (Psalm 2:2) The battle of Armageddon will bring human ruler ship to an end.​—Daniel 2:​44.
 
The word “Armageddon” occurs only once in the Bible, in Revelation 16:16. Prophetically, Revelation shows that at “the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon,” “the kings of the entire inhabited earth” will be gathered “together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”​—Revelation 16:14.
 
Jesus Christ will lead a heavenly army to victory over God’s enemies. (Revelation 19:11-​16, 19-​21) These enemies include those who oppose God’s authority and who treat God with contempt.​—Ezekiel 39:7.
 
It will not be the end of our planet, since the earth is mankind’s eternal home. (Psalm 37:29; 96:10; Ecclesiastes 1:4) Rather than destroying humanity, Armageddon actually saves it, because “a great crowd” of God’s servants will survive.​—Revelation 7:​9, 14; Psalm 37:34.
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 7, 2019 - 2:42pm
Ward Tipton
 
Given the historical precedent, global war seems to be the next play. "
 
 Agreed in some form approaching World War III or something similar. 
 
The massive debts of the West may cause several currencies to  crash about the same time [Black Swan?] and result in closing trade so that food and essentials like energy are rationed. Then, China is not in good shape either. 
 
Even Brexit may start off something like this or when Italy goes down like Ireland and Greece. 
ChetDude Added Feb 7, 2019 - 6:07pm
Ah, I see, this article used the click-bait "Venezuela" in the title but was really designed to enable yet another gun-lover circle jerk.
 
Got it...
 
Enjoy your jizzum-fest, boys...
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 9, 2019 - 5:02am
Lots of talk but no action. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 9, 2019 - 12:50pm
ChetDude
 
I missed the gun issue here. Where was it?

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