AOC’s Strange New Green World

The Democratic Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s radical Green New Deal is the new and exciting path to complete control of the White House, Congress and most of government. This is so exciting!!

THE FOUR PILLARS OF THE GREEN NEW DEAL

https://www.gp.org/green_new_deal

 

I - THE ECONOMIC BILL OF RIGHTS

Worker's rights including the right to a living wage, to a safe workplace, to fair trade, and to organize a union at work without fear of firing or reprisal. The right to quality health care which will be achieved through a single-payer Medicare-for-All program. The right to a tuition-free, quality, federally funded, local controlled public education system from pre-school through college. We will also forgive student loan debt from the current era of unaffordable college education.

II - A GREEN TRANSITION

Among other things: Provide green jobs by enacting the Full Employment Program which will directly provide 16 million jobs in sustainable energy and energy efficiency retrofitting, mass transit and "complete streets" that promote safe bike and pedestrian traffic, regional food systems based on sustainable organic agriculture, and clean manufacturing.

III - REAL FINANCIAL REFORM

Such as: Relieve the debt overhang holding back the economy by reducing homeowner and student debt burdens. Democratize monetary policy to bring about public control of the money supply and credit creation. This means we'll nationalize the private bank-dominated Federal Reserve Banks and place them under a Monetary Authority within the Treasury Department. Break up the oversized banks that are "too big to fail." End taxpayer-funded bailouts for banks, insurers, and other financial companies. We'll use the FDIC resolution process for failed banks to reopen them as public banks where possible after failed loans and underlying assets are auctioned off. Regulate all financial derivatives and require them to be traded on open exchanges. Restore the Glass-Steagall separation of depository commercial banks from speculative investment banks. Establish a 90% tax on bonuses for bailed out bankers.

IV - A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY

An incoherent list of voting reforms and commissions.

 

And how to pay for all of this? Not mentioned anywhere.

Comments

Webmaster Added Feb 9, 2019 - 5:01pm
Most of all I like the question "and how to pay for all this?" The answer is clear: you will have to pay with reducing the standard of living furthermore, since the money needed to pay for the new socialist utopia will simply be taken out of wages. That is, wages will fall, and economic relief will be given in return.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 9, 2019 - 5:17pm
Webmaster
 
It seems  that the standard of living of even the poor in the US was  historically raised by capitalism and business in terms of jobs. The apparent thrust of the left  here is to destroy our economic structure and replant this with rabid socialism aimed at redistributing  the wealth by eliminating private control of the economy.
 
They want to put people in charge of all facets of the economy who do not have the skills to do so. Just destroy is heir hate-based mantra. 
 
It seems that all standards of living will be markedly reduced by such wholesale destruction of our civilization.
 
Only the leftist elites might see strong advances in such standards.
 
And, still no way  to pay for  this.............??
 
Webmaster Added Feb 9, 2019 - 5:24pm
And say hello to bankers LOL. The seizure of banks and post offices is the second point of a typical socialist revolution, the first one is coming to governement office. Those bankers who agree to work for the new (socialist) government will receive a modest salary, which is enough only for everyday needs. And those who refuse to cooperate with the socialists can blame themselves. Nothing good awaits them if they do not leave the country in time. This is what socialists use to mean under the title of "public control of the money supply and credit creation".
Webmaster Added Feb 9, 2019 - 5:37pm
Ryck, you are true as the Truth itself. The socialist system mercilessly smashes the achievements of capitalism, enslaves specialists educated by capitalism, and then they work only for food and shelter, and every day thank to their fate for living free with their families, and not in the barracks of the labor camps. Korolev, the creator of the Soviet space, created it in a labor camp, where during interrogation he received a blow from the security officer with a decanter on the head, from which he died many years later during the medical operation. The way to pay for this system is to work for it for free - as it was in the Soviet Union, from which, by the way, enterprising people fled to America in crowds.
John Minehan Added Feb 9, 2019 - 5:46pm
People come up with new ideas.  Others resist the ideas.  Eventually, they are adopted and people forget it was ever any other way.
 
About 208 years ago, a young Turk named Henry Clay wanted the Federal Government to get very involved with Infrastructure Projects (the "American System").  James Madison energetically vetoed the proposals.
 
Now, this is the norm and has been since at least the New Deal.
 
Now, a young Turk named Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is pushing a "Green New Deal" and Speaker Pelosi is pushing back.
 
Time will tell how this ends up.       
Logical Man Added Feb 9, 2019 - 5:48pm
Oh, yes, the system we have now is perfect.
Except it's destroying the planet we live on so a few can have more digits on hard drives thus enabling them to fuck over 99.5% of the world's population, some more than others.
rycK you are just fortunate in where you live. You are still being screwed, just gently, with lots of lube.
Look at how garment workers live in places like Bangladesh or the Philippines. Can you defend large corporations doing that kind of thing to human beings, for profit?
I'm assuming you won't look, but if you don't, you can't defend your position.
Leroy Added Feb 9, 2019 - 6:40pm
"Time will tell how this ends up."
 
I'm with Lindsey Graham; let Congress vote on it.  Let the socialists go on record.
White Hair'd Added Feb 9, 2019 - 10:15pm
It gets even better.
After a full day of push back and being laughed off the internet, AOC sent her policy wonk to appear on national TV and claim that the Green New Deal document on AOC's site was a fake, that someone had hacked their site and put up the document to make her look bad. They didn't really mean what they said in the document. Whatever.
Bad move.
Enterprising souls had stored copies of the document and examined the metadata and found it had been authored by AOC's chief of staff.
Hmmm.
Not only that, but AOC's staff had given a copy of the doc to NPR, who published it, as they received it.
Verdict: Not a fake.
That's what she said, that's what she and her team signed off on, that's what she meant.
 
Not only has AOC proven that she is all in with forcing the Communist Manifesto onto US citizens, but she lied about it, after the uproar caused by her Green demands forced her to walk it back.
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Feb 9, 2019 - 10:42pm
"And how to pay for all of this? Not mentioned anywhere."
 
 
"nationalize the private bank-dominated Federal Reserve Banks and place them under a Monetary Authority within the Treasury Department. Break up the oversized banks that are "too big to fail." End taxpayer-funded bailouts for banks, insurers, and other financial companies. We'll use the FDIC resolution process for failed banks to reopen them as public banks where possible after failed loans and underlying assets are auctioned off. Regulate all financial derivatives and require them to be traded on open exchanges. Restore the Glass-Steagall separation of depository commercial banks from speculative investment banks. Establish a 90% tax on bonuses for bailed out bankers."
 
How much does that cost?
Flying Junior Added Feb 10, 2019 - 12:10am
You gotta admit.  It's an exciting time to be alive.
 
Pretty soon, a person will have to go to the library to learn about the republican party.
Bill H. Added Feb 10, 2019 - 1:14am
 
FJ - My parents were staunch Republicans. They would turn over in their graves if they got a taste of today's version!
Flying Junior Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:31am
Most of my friends probably had republican parents growing up.  It just didn't matter back then.
Ana Ross Added Feb 10, 2019 - 4:17am

As for the goals of the green new deal I am on board. they seem like the
kind of goals we should be working for.  As for how we should pay for
them that isnt hard.
 
As for how we will pay for them Start  with medicare for all.  According
to a study by the Koch brothers Medicare for all will cost 32 trillion
dollars over 10 years.  What goes unmentioned is that the same report
shows that if we do nothing the cost to the nation over the same period
will be 34 trillion dollars.  Further medicare for all may put cash in
your pocket.  Today we are paid partially by the benefit of medical
insurance that our employers buy for us.  With Medicare for all those
wages could be paid directly as cash and should more than offset any
increase in taxes. They should be more than the taxes for the following
reasons. First the employer will be relieved of the administrative costs
imposed by the necessity of providing a product that is not his
specialty.  What does a battery business 
know about healthcare?  By relieving these businesses of these costs we also make our businesses
more competitive in the world market because other countries dont impose
these costs on their small businesses. Second a medicare for all will
enable the customer to negotiate with providers for the lowest cost by
the sheer numbers that providers will lose by not negotiating.  This has
been shown time and again that the largest customer is always able to get
the steepest discounts. Finally the medical provider will be able to
lower costs by being relieved of the administrative costs of negotiating
with 30 different insurance providers to be reimbursed.  The US spends
almost double what Canada does in administrative costs on healthcare. 
All these should result in an increase in the real wage of workers. 
Under the status quo real wages havent risen for the wage earne since
1980 despite massive gains in productivity which have gone into the hands
of the wealthiest.  This is one way to turn that around and start to
increase the standard of living.
 

The cost of free education at state universities would be about 69
billion dollars per year.  We currently spend about 62 billion dollars on
financial aid.  This money needs to be looked at as an investment.  By
providing free education to our citizens  in areas that will be in demand
in the future we can reduce the need to bring in foreign workers who tend
to sen much of their earnings overseas.  We would see a higher tax base
as our workers qualified for higher paying jobs.  We would see increased
productivity as our workforce became more expensive the use of technology
would increase as manual labor becomes too expensive to inhibit tech
advances. This has already happened in countries like Denmark with some
of the best educated citizens in the world.
 
And finally no one seems to want to talk about the elephant in the room. 
This years military budget is 700 billion dollars.  This is so bloated
and unnecessary that we could cut it in half and still outspend every
other nation by a larger margin.  It no longer bears any relation to
national defense but functions more as a jobs program  and as a source of
corporate welfare.  As a jobs program it is extremely inefficient because
the jobs it creates contribute nothing to the future growth potential of
the country.  For instance taking a portion of that money and repairing
our desperately underfunded and dangerous roads and bridges could insure
that commerce continues for the foreseeable future.  This contributes
more to our welfare as a nation than armor plated  troop transports that
sit idle waiting to be destroyed in the deserts of Arabia.  As far as its
role as corporate welfare why do we hate to provide the poorest among us role as corporate welfare why do we hate to provide the poorest among us
with food and shelter and some measure of dignity for a pittance of we
provide to the richest people in the country. I am appalled by the
indifference we show to the elderly in this country. What other
industrialized nation allows its senior citizens to sleep on the streets
in the rain and cold when it could provide them with a safe warm place to
stay at a fraction of the cost of the the tax cuts we just gave to the
wealthiest of us. Why does Mitt Romney pay 14% of his income in taxes
when his secretary pays 30%.. This idea that we cant pay to for things
that will only enrich us as a people
Mark Hunter Added Feb 10, 2019 - 4:17am
Nothing federally funded ever continues to be locally controlled ... just as nothing federally funded is ever free.
Ana Ross Added Feb 10, 2019 - 4:23am
White Hair'd
Sources?
Ana Ross Added Feb 10, 2019 - 7:37am
webmaster
 Those bankers who agree to work for the new (socialist) government will receive a modest salary, which is enough only for everyday needs. 
Cause thats what happened in Denmark the place with the most satisfied people in the world.
Jeff Jackson Added Feb 10, 2019 - 8:29am
Historically, socializing economies has rarely ever brought prosperity. If they make college free, I will demand my money back, as I paid for mine, and it was a lot. East Germany socialized everything, and all of the highly-educated, the doctors, lawyers, and engineers left, while the rest of the people lived poorly. The OC just doesn't get it, other than trying to sell wealth to poor people, which they'll buy when all it costs them is a vote.
John Minehan Added Feb 10, 2019 - 8:34am
"Nothing federally funded ever continues to be locally controlled ... just as nothing federally funded is ever free."
 
That first point seems to me to be what distinguishes the model that Democratic Socialists (like Sen. Sanders nd Rep. Ocasio-Castro) say they base their ideas on (the Scandinavian Countries) and the plans they tend to propose, which really don't usually indicate any level of local control.
 
I was pleasantly surprised to see the line about local control of schools.
Webmaster Added Feb 10, 2019 - 8:50am
Ana Ross, socialism has only 2 ways to develop. The first one is Soviet - growing to dictatroship then to moral degradation of the rulers and to capitalist revolution. The second way is its voluntary turning into capitalism which is still called socialism so to save positions of socialist ideologists in the power. This is Chinese way. As people in Denmark are the most satisfied in the world, they have Chinese type of socialism. It means that sooner or later bankers will come to power and build the unhidden capitalism of American type. Capitalism allows to absorb capital so they can do it. Having a lot of money, capitalist can rule other people through financial policy which he provides.
White Hair'd Added Feb 10, 2019 - 8:52am
Ana Ross
Your search engine works.
 
Doug Plumb Added Feb 10, 2019 - 11:08am
The Green movement was created by the big banks and they always create social movements by saying they will "disband the big banks", take the control away from "big Oil".
There is a succer born every minute and they all join the Green Party.
Dino Manalis Added Feb 10, 2019 - 11:18am
 Alexandria is dreaming and wishes to destroy our capitalist system.  Reforms are needed, but she should work with everyone across the political spectrum to achieve lasting results.
Steel Breeze Added Feb 10, 2019 - 11:41am
well,i understand she knows how to keep my beer mug full......so thats something....
Bill Kamps Added Feb 10, 2019 - 12:35pm
The second way is its voluntary turning into capitalism which is still called socialism so to save positions of socialist ideologists in the power. This is Chinese way. As people in Denmark are the most satisfied in the world, they have Chinese type of socialism.
 
This is not really true.  China is an authoritarian state, Denmark is not. In fact the two are quite far apart economically and legally.  In China people have rights, with an important caveat.  If a person exercises their rights, like free speech and it in some way harms the state, then they forfeit this right and can be sent to prison.  Much the same in Russia.  Since no one defines what is "harmful to the state" people live in fear of what the state will do. 
 
This happens in the business and economic world also.  The rules are always subject to change at the whim of the rulers.  While rules change often in the West as well it a matter of degree, if you see no difference between China and Denmark, you just aren't looking very closely at all.
 
Ask those 500-1000K people in western Chinese "re-education" centers if they have the same rights as Denmark. 
 
Chinese "capitalism" is very limited and far from the capitalism we think of in the West, much less what happens in Denmark. 
 
Webmaster Added Feb 10, 2019 - 12:54pm
I don`t speak of human rights, here we discussed the true fate of socialist countries. They have only one way to go - to capitalism - and they will be there sooner or later. Denmark never had socialist revolution so its choice of socialist way may be just the further development of capitalism. China is already not socialist state although it is ruled by Communist Party. So may be China wil come to Denmark-type socialism after some ceturies of European-type capitalism.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 10, 2019 - 12:58pm
Whenever I picture the UN and the Green movement I get this giant laughing academy in my head where the coke and kiddies never stop coming and no one can stop laughing whenever the announcement comes up "it's worse than we thought".
opher goodwin Added Feb 10, 2019 - 1:27pm
Sounds brilliant to me.
There is ample money - just distribute it more fairly.
Strange that - fairness isn't something a number of Americans like. They prefer giving it all to the ultra-rich.
It's time the tables were turned. The wealthy global elite have been having it all their own way for too long.
Time for fairness and justice!!
Webmaster Added Feb 10, 2019 - 1:35pm
The sad truth of socialism is that in fact it is still capitalism but workers and peasants do not get the salary they earned. Their salary is being confiscated by ruling gang which lives a luxury life, does not suffer from hunger, gets food and goods from special distribution centers which are not available for common people. That is why socialism is the legalized robbery which is not allowed by classical capitalism. And some foreigner who does not know the ideological mask of this robbery will say that this country has slave system of economy. When this fact comes to minds of those who are being robbed by ruling gang, they start slow or quick capitalist revolution.
Logical Man Added Feb 10, 2019 - 1:59pm
Sad truth about capitalism is that if leads to war and suffering for half the people on the planet and makes a few dozen ridiculously rich and privileged and allows them to impose their will on others. What a wonderful system!
Webmaster Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:16pm
Soviet allegedly socialist but in fact capitalist-slave regime sent troops to Poland and divided it with Hitler, waged war in Finland, attacked Afghanistan. In the second half of the twentieth century, USSR led the lesser-known wars in Vietnam and Angola. Surely it supported Cuba and brough there nuclear missiles so Caribbean crisis has started. Socialists have the idea of the global socialist revolution so they are no less predatory colonizers then official capitalists.
Ana Ross Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:22pm
Douglas
Whenever I picture the UN and the Green movement I get this giant laughing academy in my head 
 
Whenever I think of the millions of homeless and those who go blind because they cant afford healthcare and the millions of hungry kids who go to school each morning without breakfast in the richest country in the world I think theres nothing funny about the heartlessness of American style capitalism. 
George N Romey Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:23pm
I'm for cutting the military in half, ending subsidies to Wall Street, taxing investment income as ordinary income (why should a billionaire get a lower tax rate than you?) and making investments that can prove a return to society.  But instead we're let the dumb ass extremes with their moronic arguments rage on.
Ana Ross Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:28pm
Webmaster
The sad truth of socialism is that in fact it is still capitalism but workers and peasants do not get the salary they earned.
 
This is the case of pointing a finger and having 3 pointing back at you.  In fact the American worker in real terms has gone backwards since 1980 while the productivity has shot through the roof.  This means that all of the gains that the American worker has produced through greater productivity has gone to the to 1%.  This is not the case in social Democracies. Every  thing your post complains about are better descriptions of American Capitalism than of socialism.
Ana Ross Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:32pm
White Hair'd
Yeah my search engine says it never happened. Did you read the study that shows how watching fox news makes you dumb?
fox news makes you dumb
This is why I like to provide sources.
The Owl Added Feb 10, 2019 - 3:20pm
If you move the Federal Reserve into the Treasury Department, then you open the monetary system to the vicissitudes of political whim. 
 
Scary stuff.
 
And when that happens you get hyperinflation as witnessed by the demise of Venezuela a solvent nation.
 
 
The Owl Added Feb 10, 2019 - 3:23pm
Oh, and Ana...
 
I find it amusing that you cede Fox News so much power when it's audience is a measly 1.4 million out of more than 326 million in this country and billions across the world.
 
Admitted it draws more eyeballs that CNN and MSNBC combined, but their power is what you grant them, and you seem to have granted them a permanent place in your thinking.
 
Shame on you.
 
 
Logical Man Added Feb 10, 2019 - 3:58pm
Showing your more thoughtful side today, I see, Roger.
Can't argue with such a well thought out argument.
Leroy Added Feb 10, 2019 - 4:32pm
"Ask those 500-1000K people in western Chinese "re-education" centers if they have the same rights as Denmark."
 
I'd say they have as much right as asylum seekers in Denmark.
Logical Man Added Feb 10, 2019 - 4:38pm
Much better, Rog, helped no end!
Unrepentant Added Feb 10, 2019 - 5:04pm
@ Logical Man - I'm all for more efficient communication, which leads to a greater understanding for all, lol.
The Owl Added Feb 10, 2019 - 11:38pm
Socialism has as poor a track record, if not a poorer record of having politicians that can't resist the unbridled opportunities to "take care of their own", which usually translates to taking care of themselves and their families first and then looking to their employees before getting around to spending the money as it was appropriated.
Jim Stoner Added Feb 11, 2019 - 12:27am
rycK,  The link you provided was for the Green Party version (Jill Stein's toy).   This link is for the first draft of the AOC/Markey bill, though it has been modified since then.  It's not what you say it is, but is instead a reference point for intelligent discussion on the subject (as opposed to the Trumpian philosophy of uninformed ostrichism). 
White Hair'd Added Feb 11, 2019 - 3:41am
Ana Ross sez:
"Yeah my search engine says it never happened."
     _____
Well, how nice.
Your search engine says what never happened?
BTW, nice Red Herring with the Fox news thing.
 
Ana Ross Added Feb 11, 2019 - 5:12am
The owl
The difference between the legislature and the average worker in the US is greater than itwas in ancient Rome. You know it is not illegal for a congressman to  trade stocks based on the information that he learned in secret meetings in congress.  The millions of dollars that have beenmade in this way at the expense of the regular investor makes a joke out of free market capitalism. If you did that you would go to jail for insider trading. Its illegal for you and me but legal for  .congress. 
Leroy Added Feb 11, 2019 - 6:06am
Insider trading is illegal for Congress--at least if you are a Republican.  Just ask Republican New York Congressman Chris Collins, who was indicted before the 2016 elections.  They must publicly disclose their stock trading.  Granted, they have inside information and as soon as it becomes public, they can be prepared to trade on it well before the general public becomes cognizant of the information.  They have an unfair advantage; nevertheless, insider trading is illegal for them.
George N Romey Added Feb 11, 2019 - 7:49am
It's my understanding that established Democrats are already plotting to put a muzzle on her.  Furthermore, there's talk of redistricting to get rid of her in the next election.  In short, she doesn't make the Wall Street crowd very happy.  Like Sanders they will let her say her piece then find every means necessary to shut her down and she will either learn to be compliant or find herself voted out.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 11, 2019 - 10:41am
Jim Stoner
 
"but is instead a reference point for intelligent discussion on the subject"
 
Okay, tell us what is 'intelligent' about spending $7T on this new Green project? Are we intelligent enuf to ask how we fund this monster?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 11, 2019 - 10:46am
And nobody seems to have any idea on how to pay for this! What tax rate do you need to pay this off in a few years?? 200%  or more?
 
Insane plans with no way of paying for such follies as the Green Thing is insanity in all forms. 
Whiskey River Added Feb 11, 2019 - 3:01pm
Eco freaks are so dumb it boggles the mind. Socialists are even worse. Free college? Sure, if the kid is going to be a doctor or engineer of some kind, something useful to society. All the thousands of useless degrees available should be done away with or the kid pays himself. No student loans. A degree in the study of ancient Egyptian languages will not get you a good job, that kid wasted tons of money to get a job flipping burgers so why should we pay for it?  I know, I'm going to borrow tens of thousands every year to go to Berkley and get a Masters, that's right a Masters degree, in the role of the Penis in modern society! I'm going to waste $70,000 to learn what a penis is used for! Then go to work as a $12 per hour janitor to pay off my student loans! Is this America or what! 
 
The truth is free college education is as big a farce as 100% green energy, it will never happen, it will never work. Neither will health care for all. People are not going to go to school for 8 to 12 years to become a doctor or surgeon to work for $50,000 per year because that is all the government will pay them. It will mean a shortage of doctors, less qualified doctors, poorer healthcare for all. These free care for all idiots need to go to a socialist country and see for themselves. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 11, 2019 - 3:30pm
Whiskey River
 
I agree here. The notion that kids can go to school, college, university ad grad school belies the firm fact that 1/2 of all such students do not get a degree on the college level. 
 
The drop out rate in inner cities like Baltimore, Atlanta, Oakland, Chicago and such are nearly 50%  in many cases.
 
This thrust by the left is a vain attempt to elevate felons, druggies, muggers, drop outs, lazy, mentals  and such to reach par with average income earners despite their rigid propensity to never achieve that level. 
 
The lefties have tried for decades to get some rough form of  equal opportunity to work for their victims and now they want something of an equal outcome for this  group. 
 
The far left has had more success with illegal aliens in sanctuary cities as they supply what the lefties want: cheap labor, free sex, drug suppliers, sex workers on all streets, street peddlers, moochers and more. 
 
Perhaps they should move drop outs to join the homeless in places like San Francisco as they might have some hope there. 
George N Romey Added Feb 11, 2019 - 5:05pm
Anything that is proposed has to have a valid return.  In other words that amount we spend has to have some tangible return.  The issue is that politicians like AOC (she's not alone in BOTH parties) aren't particularly bright.  They could or their staff could never undertake what most companies do, project things like cost, cost savings, cost of alternatives, cost of doing nothing, etc.
 
She's just another version of Donald Trump telling the world she will fix it like a mommy telling her little boy she will kiss his booboo and make the pain go away.
Logical Man Added Feb 11, 2019 - 8:02pm
It's a simple choice....
Find a way to pay for a sustainable future or have no future.
What we have now is not even close to sustainable.
Logical Man Added Feb 11, 2019 - 10:15pm
That seems to be the problem, George.
Too many humans still need their 'mommy' so they don't have to face reality.
You use mostly monetary terms, but the real tyrant is thermodynamics.
Jim Stoner Added Feb 12, 2019 - 1:13am
rycK,  You only read the part of my comment you wanted to answer.  There are no such numbers in the proposal before Congress.  It's a good time to start the post-Trump discussion of what we really need to do to have a future as a civilization, as opposed to what Trump is doing.  
 
I saw an interesting interview the other day with the woman responsible for representing arms control policy for the government. (I have no idea if she is a specialist or a political appointment.)  Anyway, she was tasked with the difficult assignment of defending Trump's latest stupid move, withdrawing from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Treaty.   The interviewer pointed out that Trump has spoken out against all the other arms treaties as well, so asking her whether those are also doomed to be revoked.  Her response was that this is the only one she is working on, and there's only two years to go.   The philosophy of this administration is clearly do as much damage to the government and collect as much grift as possible, and then split, preferably at a moment of your own choosing.  
Ward Tipton Added Feb 12, 2019 - 6:50am
When 75K a year in unearned benefits is just not enough ... double down! 
 
I hope she has a phone and a pen! And knows how to use them! 
 
What could possibly go wrong?
Webmaster Added Feb 12, 2019 - 9:48am
It is much easier to tell students to go home or to the library and study there themselves. In such a way they will not spend money for university, its utilities, teachers` salary and so on. The same time knowledge they get will be true and solid as they will not waste time on useless lectures and classes, from which only the teacher benefits getting his salary. So there will be no educational service - no tuition fee - no students` loans. Teachers will find more demanded and well paid highly skilled work, and students will start working much earlier then after graduation, so economy will feel better.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 12, 2019 - 10:16am
Jim Stoner
 
"rycK,  You only read the part of my comment you wanted to answer.  There are no such numbers in the proposal before Congress.  It's a good time to start the post-Trump discussion of what we really need to do to have a future as a civilization, as opposed to what Trump is doing."
 
Of course there are no such numbers. The left refuses to even discuss the costs of such follies. 
 
So, we want socialism or what? Why not tell us what you want and how much it will cost. 
 
Waiting for concrete numbers and programs .
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 12, 2019 - 10:21am
Logical Man
 
"It's a simple choice....
Find a way to pay for a sustainable future or have no future.
What we have now is not even close to sustainable."
 
The left will not do that. They will not commit to anything and leave open the possibility of confiscatory taxes and fees and worse. 
 
Our current near future is not sustainable given the now $23T in debt and the preposterous notion that we can fund this Green Weenie program and have open borders so we can service half of South America at our expense.
 
The ONLY thing they want is HIGHER TAXES
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 12, 2019 - 10:26am
George N Romney
 
" In other words that amount we spend has to have some tangible return. "
 
What is the tangible return on spending  billions on illegal aliens? Free sex or low-cost drugs?  
 
What is the tangible return on some 11 million illegal aliens living here with thousands wanting to get in and get free goodies?
 
There is no return on spending too much money and getting only  a rising debt in the future that cannot be serviced. 
 
Our 'tangible return' will be hyperinflation and a currency crash. That will truly be tangible. 
 
 
Webmaster Added Feb 12, 2019 - 10:26am
Ryck, socialism is a labor camp behind the Iron Curtain. Many educated people will not be allowed to travel abroad if socialist revolution happens so not to stay there as they are of great need for economic development at home. Socialism can give great technical progress and military power but it will give it at the cost of free labor of specialists and engineers. For their scientific, engineering and labor achievements they will get no more than free cramped apartment, cheap food and some little car.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 12, 2019 - 10:29am
Whiskey River
 
" People are not going to go to school for 8 to 12 years to become a doctor or surgeon to work for $50,000 per year because that is all the government will pay them. It will mean a shortage of doctors, less qualified doctors, poorer healthcare for all. These free care for all idiots need to go to a socialist country and see for themselves. "
 
Oh, this will work according to leftist rules as the can just use Death Panels to prevent HC to old folks and most whites. And you can just train illegal aliens to be doctors and surgeons and shrinks in a few weeks and they will be charmed to work for such a sum. 
 
Whatever you got the left wants all of it. 
Jim Stoner Added Feb 12, 2019 - 2:33pm
OK, rycK, here are six things I would support doing in 2021 (or sooner, but after we get rid of the Dickhead): 
1) Rejoin the Paris accord and restore the auto efficiency standards; 
2) Increase Federal funding for research into fusion (international efforts), improved photoelectrics and energy storage; 
3) Cut back sharply on fracking , offshore drilling, tar sands refining and coal mining until we can do it better; 
4) Cut back on pesticides and herbicides (ban Roundup) and subsidize (only) organic agriculture and crop diversification;
5) Clean up the Great Lakes, which are among our top strategic long-term assets;  and
6) Develop better Federal methods for land and water conservation (land trusts, anti-erosion and anti-drought). 
 
Frankly, those things won't cost that much.   I don't agree with "jobs for everyone" as a policy.
 
   I would do one more thing, which is to put price controls on gasoline; having $1.70 gas is actually outrageous and indefensible policy.  It should be set at something like $3 (at current dollars), with an adjustable tax level.  Something comparable for natural gas, diesel fuel, airplane fuel (kerosene), and heating oil.  That one would be terribly unpopular politically, so our cowardly and short-sighted attitudes probably wouldn't permit it, but that's what we need. 
 
Cliff M. Added Feb 12, 2019 - 5:20pm
Ryck, The republicans have no standing when it comes to deficits.Every item mentioned in the Green deal would be more than is currently being done to support the Main Street economy. Trillion dollars in deficits to pad the wealthy pockets and buy back stocks to further inflate the asset bubble has has put the deficit hawks just about out of any bullshit they can put a positive spin on. I'm sure they will try but they can't even run on supporting the agenda they have had.They are now trying to define opponents as their main ploy.We haven't seen a Republican serious about reducing the debt since the days of Eisenhower and Nixon.
Logical Man Added Feb 12, 2019 - 6:52pm
rycK, I wasn't referring to things financial.
 
The present financial system pretty much guarantees environmental destruction as it requires infinite growth to function. Good luck with that.
 
I was referring to pollution, fossil fuels, over fishing, GMOs, Palm oil  plantations......
 
 
Jim Stoner Added Feb 13, 2019 - 1:25pm
rycK
I'm waiting to see how you can dispute the value of these proposals.  It may have been obvious, but the money from that Federal fossil fuels tax should go to make and improve urban and intercity transit. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 13, 2019 - 1:37pm
Jim Stoner
 
"It may have been obvious, but the money from that Federal fossil fuels tax should go to make and improve urban and intercity transit."
 
NYC has trashed their subway system by neglect although taxes are sky high. The cross town bus lines were always at a snail pace. A half dozen times I got in gridlock and just  left the bus to walk a few blocks.
 
Light rail is a joke, so is Schumer's tunnel at, what $30B and rising??
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 13, 2019 - 1:44pm
Cliff M.
 
Ryck, The republicans have no standing when it comes to deficits.Every item mentioned in the Green deal would be more than is currently being done to support the Main Street economy. "
 
So, who do we blame for the Obama doubling the debt via deficits to $20T?? Is that Trump's fault. Who  appropriates the money the House or the White House??
 
Don't get this one: "Every item mentioned in the Green deal would be more than is currently being done to support the Main Street economy. "
 
More is more I guess. 
 
GND is estimated at $30T right now, but can you supply a better number?
 
The press needs to ask hard questions on the Green New Deal
 

How much does it cost? How do you calculate the cost?
What impact will it have on existing industries and jobs, and how do you propose to address those effects?
What technology must exist for the GND to come to fruition?
Given the length of construction projects, even if we started building, say, light rail all over the country, when would it be done?
Which technical experts and scientists have you consulted to determine which of the items on the wish list are attainable?
How do we become “carbon-neutral” in 10 years?
How do we target="_blank">go about “upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification”? (emphasis added)
What is the plan for “guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States” in 10 years?"--https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/13/press-needs-ask-hard-questions-green-new-deal/?utm_term=.d62f7ac48f4c

Where are the answers to these obvious questions?
Hussain -The Canadian Added Feb 13, 2019 - 2:56pm
This is really not that hard to understand or comprehend, what Miss Cortez is asking for is the bare minimum, I don't know why so many conservatives are acting like there is "no money" to pay for any of this.
 
As I said before, just do the following two things:
 
1) Cut $250 billion from the Pentagon's budget (so it goes from $700 to $550 billion)
 
2) Put a 70% residual tax on everyone making $10 million (starting) - Close all investment gaps, and tax inheritances.
 
You can start right there - This should be followed by closing 95% of your military bases around the globe, and implementing a massive infrastructure project across the United States.
 
Cliff M. Added Feb 13, 2019 - 5:05pm
ryck, Why is it that anything and everything can be done for the wealthy with deficit spending when only minimal at best is done to improve the quality of life of the ordinary American?
Hussain, I agree with your ideas
ChetDude Added Feb 13, 2019 - 5:42pm
A) thank you rycK for posting the Green Party's REAL Green New Deal.  It's not the democrat plan (yet) although I hope they can find their way to adopting it as a starting point...
https://www.gp.org/green_new_deal
 
B) It's always amusing to watch you regressives whine and complain about "How will you pay for it?" when proposals to improve people's lives and prepare for our post-AGW future are put forward.  When the goal is to promote Quality of Life instead of Oligarchy's corporate profits, that ridiculous meme gets trundled out to block it.
 
But when it comes to pissing away YUGE quantities of our treasure on the bloated war machine that can't win a f*cking war (but is very good at creating paranoia and 'enemies' faster than they can kill them) - pissing away over $18 Trillion (and counting) since 2001 - there's not one peep about how the f*ck we're gonna' pay for it. 
 
Nor is it ever said "How are you going to pay for it?" when it comes to YUGE subsidies for billionaires and corporate polluters.
 
Cute...
 
C) "How do we pay for it?" As has been mentioned;
 
1) Since (even right-wing Koch funded "think tanks" have admitted) Expanded and Improved Medicare for All will SAVE the USAmerican People money and provide better care (as EVERY other industrialized nation already knows!) compared to sustaining the corporate, for-profit, remedial sick care system we have, it will pay for itself compared to how severely and quickly the current for-profit system is bankrupting us.
 
2) Just cutting the bloated war budgets from their current dizzying level of at least $1.2 Trillion per year down to a real DEFENSE FORCE -- let's just say we go to double our closest "enemy's" expenditures and cut the budgets by $750 Billion --  that $750B (with a "B") would be more than enough to finance the entirety of the REAL Green New Deal twice over.
 
Priorities, clowns!
ChetDude Added Feb 13, 2019 - 5:46pm
For instance, here's how CIVILIZED nations do things.
 
Instead of whining about "how are you going to pay for it?", most of the industrialized world decided that "Health Care is a Human Right" and each found their own unique ways to finance that right.
 
As a result, their superior systems with better health outcomes cost 1/2 what USAmerica's profit-driven corporate one does.
 
In USAmerica, as usual, it's all back-ass-wards...
ChetDude Added Feb 13, 2019 - 5:51pm
Better be careful ryck old boy.
 
By posting this extremely important and necessary Green New Deal you're much more likely to gather converts for us from rational folk who may read it.
 
As for that item you who fear democracy can't post, the "incoherent list of ..." include:
 
We won't get these vital reforms without a fourth and final set of reforms to give us a real, functioning democracy. Just as we are replacing the old economy with a new one, we need a new politics to restore the promise of American democracy. The New Green Deal will:
1. Revoke corporate personhood by amending our Constitution to make clear that corporations are not persons and money is not speech. Those rights belong to living, breathing human beings - not to business entities controlled by the wealthy.
2. Protect our right to vote by supporting Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s proposed "Right to Vote Amendment," to clarify to the Supreme Court that yes, we do have a constitutional right to vote.
3. Enact the Voter Bill of Rights that will:

guarantee us a voter-marked paper ballot for all voting;
require that all votes are counted before election results are released;
replace partisan oversight of elections with non-partisan election commissions;
celebrate our democratic aspirations by making Election Day a national holiday;
bring simplified, safe same-day voter registration to the nation so that no qualified voter is barred from the polls;
do away with so-called "winner take all" elections in which the "winner" does not have the support of most of the voters, and replace that system with instant runoff voting and proportional representation, systems most advanced countries now use to good effect;
replace big money control of election campaigns with full public financing and free and equal access to the airwaves;
guarantee equal access to the ballot and to the debates to all qualified candidates;
abolish the Electoral College and implement direct election of the President;
restore the vote to ex-offenders who've paid their debt to society; and,
enact Statehood for the District of Columbia so that those Americans have representation in Congress and full rights to self rule like the rest of us.

4. Protect local democracy and democratic rights by commissioning a thorough review of federal preemption law and its impact on the practice of local democracy in the United States. This review will put at its center the "democracy question" – that is, what level of government is most open to democratic participation and most suited to protecting democratic rights.
5. Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.
6. Strengthen media democracy by expanding federal support for locally-owned broadcast media and local print media.
7. Protect our personal liberty and freedoms by:

repealing the Patriot Act and those parts of the National Defense Authorization Act that violate our civil liberties;
prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI from conspiring with local police forces to suppress our freedoms of assembly and of speech; and,
ending the war on immigrants – including the cruel, so-called "secure communities" program.

8. Rein in the military-industrial complex by

reducing military spending by 50% and closing U.S. military bases around the world;
restoring the National Guard as the centerpiece of our system of national defense; and,
creating a new round of nuclear disarmament initiatives.

 
Rational folk will love those reforms as well...no wonder you were afraid to post them...
Hussain -The Canadian Added Feb 13, 2019 - 6:47pm
Correction, from $700 Billion down to $450 Billion
 
For those who don't know me, I work for one of Canada's big banks, im an Investment Banker - One thing that I always think about, Imagine if the Canadian government decided to open a "National Bank of Canada", with a flat rate on all chequing accounts, lets say $10 bucks, unlimited transactions, all interest on Credit cards are capped at 10% interest, all fees lowered, only mortgage and car related loans are allowed, interest capped at 3% max.
 
Also, stocks would be available for purchase on the open market (stocks for this newly created national bank), available only to individual citizens, governments or companies are allowed to buy those stocks. No matter whats the amount of stocks you buy, you only get one vote. The national bank will still make billions, maybe 4 or 5 billion a year, rather than 20 or 30 billion a year. 
 
All of this profit can be reinvested back into the people, the cities, the infrastructure, opening the door to small business lending and assistance - This is what I dream about when it comes to reforming banks.
 
Now you can easily remove "Canadian government, and replace it with "American government". You guys have it worse than us in the states, your fees and interest rates are insane. 
Jim Stoner Added Feb 13, 2019 - 9:40pm
NYC would be surprisingly easy to fix in a long-term sense (apart from the subways, many of which are 100 years old or more and need real investment). 
 
All out-of-town car drivers leave them at The Door.  (That would be most of Manhattan, and a little of Queens and Brooklyn.)   Then you have taxis, essential delivery vehicles (no fuckin' Uber), buses, and (very expensive) resident permits.   Get rid of most of the alternate side parking, build elevated light rail, and tear up a lot of asphalt. 
Jim Stoner Added Feb 13, 2019 - 9:41pm
What about the other items, rycK?  No objection?   Or are we moving the feast to the opher article?  Attack is much more pleasurable than defense, but the losses can be heavy. 
 
 
Ward Tipton Added Feb 14, 2019 - 2:54am
All this discussion like the government actually wants to or even cares about fixing ANY problems. It would be quaint and amusing if it was not so funny ... and troubling ... all at the same time. 
George N Romey Added Feb 14, 2019 - 7:47am
Chet has good ideas but Ward has the reality.  Government has zero desire to implement Chet's ideas. Why?  Because the people that write the big checks and give politicians seven figure jobs after they leave politics have no desire for those reforms.  So whose wants are going to be met.  They guy that writes a $50 check or the guy that fund raises over $2 million from his other rich friends for a PAC and has a part time consulting gig paying $5 million a year waiting in the wings?
 
As most Americans are way to busy posting pictures of their new kitty on FB or watching some new reality tv star to really give a damn they are being hosed.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 14, 2019 - 2:24pm
Jim Stoner
 
".... Get rid of most of the alternate side parking, build elevated light rail, and tear up a lot of asphalt. 
 
You sound like AOC. How much would it cost??
 
??
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 14, 2019 - 2:28pm
George N Romney
 
"Because the people that write the big checks and give politicians seven figure jobs after they leave politics have no desire for those reforms. "
 
This is essentially true. There is a 'club' of various special interest persons and groups who want nothing to change. 
 
Changes in government policies and laws tend to rock boats and those who derive their income from the current 'club' with its laws and such do not want to lose their golden eggs. 
 
Politicos are routinely bribed. 
Leroy Added Feb 14, 2019 - 6:29pm
I read today where 30,000 people in the UK have died waiting for medical treatment in the past year.  So much for socialized medicine.  Who need death panels?  Just wait them out and they will die.
 
The cost of health care has doubled over the last eighteen years after accounting for inflation, and health care is still horrible.  Ok, AOC, let's see how bad you can screw it up in the US.
 
In other news, I see that AOC is celebrating running Amazon out of town and all the jobs it would have brought.  They're starting to eat their own.  Something tells me she will work once again as a bartender.
ChetDude Added Feb 14, 2019 - 9:50pm
Leroy: Conservative/Tory CUTS to Health and SOCIAL CARE budgets have cost 30,000 lives in the UK.
 
Not even a nice try.  Pretty lame.
 
Meanwhile, over 44,000 USAmericans DO die each year thanks to lack of access to effective, accessible Health Care in the USAmerican corporate, for-profit remedial sick care system.
 
So New Yorkers decided that giving the richest a**hole on the Planet $120,000 per "job" wasn't worth it.  New York City (Actually Queens) will do just fine without that jerkoff...
ChetDude Added Feb 14, 2019 - 9:57pm
George:  That's why I don't trust the republican OR democrat wings of the One Big Plutocrat Funded Party to do the job and instead insist that we follow one of Bernie's early suggestions when he began his race against Hillary and the example of the estimable folks in the Sunrise Movement and build a massive, militant Popular Movement to FORCE Congresscritters (and, maybe more importantly our LOCAL legislators) to ignore their major campaign bribers and do the People's Work instead.
 
I also point out that at the national level if just 1/2 of the electorate (the 40th through 90th percentile) kicked in the cost of 4 cups of coffee at Starbucks (Bernie's magical $27) per year we'd have well over $2 billion PER YEAR to use as a war chest and to build a political infrastructure of, by and FOR the People which along with sweat equity from tens of million of good folks and the Truth on our side would be more than enough to fight back against the Oligarchy and their hirelings.
ChetDude Added Feb 14, 2019 - 10:02pm
Leroy: In the U.S. 'The cost of health care has doubled over the last eighteen years after accounting for inflation, and health care is still horrible.'
 
Most expensive 37th rate remedial sick care on the Planet - more than twice as expensive as the UK, France, etc. etc. etc.
 
Only Switzerland's version of Obamacare approaches USAmerica's failed system's cost and they also have lousy outcomes compared to single-payer countries...
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 15, 2019 - 3:15pm
ChetDude
 
"Most expensive 37th rate remedial sick care on the Planet - more than twice as expensive as the UK, France, etc. etc. etc."
 
Obama promised me things including that I could keep my HC and costs would be lowered. 
 
I lost my HC and prescription drugs costs soared. 
 
What happened here??
 
 
Cliff M. Added Feb 15, 2019 - 8:02pm
Ryck, Didn't you know? We were waiting for the great republican plan of repeal and replace with great healthcare for everyone. The main achievement has been 3 million less people insured. Why should anyone support any of this nonsense. I didn't hear any seniors saying take away my Medicare because it sucks . Taking Medicare would start a revolt. 
Ana Ross Added Feb 16, 2019 - 5:36am
The us military budget is approaching one trillion dollars. The US subsidizes fossil fuel at 20 billion a year, we give 3 billion a year to Israel. Since 2001 we have spent almost 6 trillion dollars in middle eastern wars yet people ask how would we pay for free education.  I dont know just a guess how about we quit beating up the rest of the world. You know when they ask people who the greatest threat to world peace is the US is always at the top of the list. Not venezuela, not Iran ,not russia. We could pay for whatever we find valuable but apparently educating our young  people or  providing healthcare for our citizens is not a big priority for us but making sure the most profitable industry in the world get taxpayer money is.  America is a strange place. Somehow the rest of the world manages to provide healthcare for their citizens but its a fantasy for us.  Somehow we manage to keep 1/4 of the worlds prisoners in cages and nobody asks how we can pay for it. AOC makes sense that is why Her ideas seems so strange to people in the US. We have third world rates of homelessness and nobody asks why. America is going to go through some real problems in the future. We are going to be convinced that everyone else is to blame. The right has turned voters against their own interests by linking corporate welfare to values. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 16, 2019 - 10:06am
Cliff M.
 
"Ryck, Didn't you know? We were waiting for the great republican plan of repeal and replace with great healthcare for everyone."
 
Not possible as the costs are too high unless the young pay a high price. 
 
But, what  happened to ObamaCare?? Costs were supposed to go down and how many do not have gov HC ?? Millions?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 16, 2019 - 10:08am
Ana Ross
 
"AOC makes sense that is why Her ideas seems so strange to people in the US"
 
An example of her ideas?? Most of them are loony and she gives no cost estimates.
 
 
White Hair'd Added Feb 16, 2019 - 12:17pm
ryck,
I have to go with Ana.
AOC is such a darling. We need to see so much more of her. Fill the airwaves with her visage and her view of the world, every day.
 
Let her enlighten Moms and Pops across the land!
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 16, 2019 - 1:50pm
White Hair'd
 
"AOC is such a darling."
 
She is a 'darling' like the Black Plague was to the new rats that took over after the Indian black rats died of the disease. 
 
If our society was of the level that  the average IQ was 100, which it is not, then she should only gather applause from those in the range IQ = 65-80.
 
She can appeal only to liars, morons and parasites, which is most of the Party of Democrats 
Ward Tipton Added Feb 16, 2019 - 2:13pm
" Something tells me she will work once again as a bartender."
 
Nah. Lifetime pension plan in addition to a cadillac plan health care policy ... for life. 
Leroy Added Feb 16, 2019 - 2:19pm
"An example of her ideas?? Most of them are loony and she gives no cost estimates.
 
Her ideas make sense in the context of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT).  Of course, MMT in looney to begin with, essentially borrowing our way to prosperity.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 16, 2019 - 3:05pm
Simply stated, her ideas are not novel--she just promises everything in the vain hope of attracting sufficient votes to deliver something and grab power.
 
Her weak point is costs, as Nancy has hinted at, but Bernie is elated or something similar that is close for him  for the idea. For many on the far left the cost is immaterial and discussions  are actually demeaning and they can promise to tax the rich anyway, a slogan  that makes the poor glow. 
 
Grunt and Grab
 
Promising freebies to idiots, losers and worse is a good tactic for the left.  It allows the leftist parasites to soak up all the wealth [Castro, Chavez, Lenin, Mao, etc.] until it is  all gone. And, to be practical, what has the lower levels of the poor and incompetents to lose by celebrating this idea? They will still be poor. 
 
This theory works well in nations where a significant portion of the citizens or persons living there are poor or losers in some related way. Such places tend to be nearly void of capitalism so that  opportunities to gain monies come primarily from the government. 
 
The left cannot compete with capitalism so they hope to suppress this element where possible. Where they have gained power is in places like the EU where those marvelous social programs are funded by debt and currently every member of the EU is in recession or close to that level. 
 
The major vector in capitalism is that capital seeks or is attracted to places where returns on investment are potentially strong. Nobody wants to risk capital in place like France or Italy or Greece as the system is crashing. President Trump has reversed the nasty trend started by Obama to make America some kind of welfare state copying the EU for the most part. Capital is streaming into the US since Obama was disgraced and his  regulations quashed. 
 
As somebody once said: let [her] rave on so men will know [her] mad. 
Cliff M. Added Feb 16, 2019 - 8:49pm
ryck, Obama care arguably made health insurance worse .Unless someone is on the government subsidize Medicaid The Aca is  no bargain. The consumer took the hit in that grand bargain. With the insurance carriers gaining customers.
Jim Stoner Added Feb 17, 2019 - 12:18am
".... Get rid of most of the alternate side parking, build elevated light rail, and tear up a lot of asphalt. 
 
You sound like AOC. How much would it cost??
 
This is New York we're talking about;  do you want to compete with Shanghai or just give up and lose?  What i'm talking about is--except for the subway repair--relatively light investment.  They can take all that money they were promising to Jeff Bezos, to start with.  The money can be found, with moderate Federal assistance.  Like the high-speed train in CA, if there is the will.  Making Manhattan into a It will pay off in many ways, including commercially. 
 
To be honest, China already built out its infrastructure in a way we could only dream of doing.  Now it's building out Central Asia, and projects all over the Southern Hemisphere, too.   If you want, you can say it's the money we have provided for them, through financing our debt.  At least they knew what to do with it; as a result of 

 
Jim Stoner Added Feb 17, 2019 - 12:25am
...fill in the blank.  I'd blame "our culture of narcissism". 
 
Spartacus Added Feb 17, 2019 - 6:47am
For at least a decade the left has been accusing the right of being racists.  The right has accused the left of being socialists.  Both sides denied the accusations . . . until now.
The left is now openly declaring they are socialists and the right still denies their racism.  Who then is changing?
 
The freest and most liberal societies are about to learn a very, very painful lesson soon.  I do not expect any of this to end peacefully.
George N Romey Added Feb 17, 2019 - 12:37pm
You do realize no one would actually written a check to Bezos. This is tax abatement not a cash give away. China has become more indebted than the US because of the many civil works project. The US could if it simply print the money to so. We did it for the bankers we could do it for the people but that could lead to a currency collapse.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 17, 2019 - 3:29pm
Cliff M.
 
"ryck, Obama care arguably made health insurance worse .Unless someone is on the government subsidize Medicaid The Aca is  no bargain. The consumer took the hit in that grand bargain. With the insurance carriers gaining customers."
 
HC costs rose against the promises of Obama. Period. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 17, 2019 - 3:37pm
Jim Stoner
 
"You sound like AOC. How much would it cost??"
 
This is New York we're talking about;  do you want to compete with Shanghai or just give up and lose?  What i'm talking about is--except for the subway repair--relatively light investment.  They can take all that money they were promising to Jeff Bezos, to start with.  The money can be found, with moderate Federal assistance. 
 
[1] So what NY? How about E.St Louis? Oakland. 
[2] "...or just give up and lose?"...NYC is a loss now. Where was the monies spent? On welfare or PC??
[3] as to: " What i'm talking about is--except for the subway repair--relatively light investment." Light?? What about South Bronx? What about E Brooklyn?
[4] " They can take all that money they were promising to Jeff Bezos, to start with."-- the problem here is that Amazon would pay that sum to NYC, mostly in Queens from their taxes and fees.  There is no $3B pot of money reserved for Amazon.
 
Why were the subways let to rot?? They were ugly and smelly when I was a peddler in NYC in the 1970s  but they worked, most of the time. They are a joke now compared to London's Tube and the Metro in Paris. 
 
The liberals in NYC are incompetent. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 17, 2019 - 3:39pm
George
 
"You do realize no one would actually [sic, did have?] written a check to Bezos. This is tax abatement not a cash give away."
 
He did not realize. Right, monies to the city from business produceds and and taxes and fees. 
George N Romey Added Feb 19, 2019 - 8:14am
AOC the bimbo was interviewed by Anderson Cooper on 60 minutes Sunday night. When pressed about how this would all come about within 12 years when it was physically, financially and technologically impossible she rambled on about "morality."  Like the true social justice warrior when faced with realities their stance is "I'm for morality and goodness and you must be for evil and hate".  (See comments by Opher).
 
Apparently her Green New Deal would give money to people that wouldn't want to work.  Since that tidbit didn't make people that actually do work for a living too happy that statement was stricken from the bill with her zygotes claiming it was in some kind of alternative version of the bill.  Luckily many news sites had already published her pipe dream so they really couldn't deny it.
 
This woman is a 29 year old bimbo.  The Democratic Party can't run away from her fast enough. They are already redistricting her district so that they can primary her out in 2 years.  In the interim she'll get no committee memberships or be asked to co-sponsor bills.  When she speaks on the floor her colleagues will be back in their offices with something "more important."  She be persona non grata at all the swanky DC political parties.  In short she is going to be shunned from government.
 
With regards to Amazon.  No the city wasn't giving away $3 billion and therefore there was no $3 billion for teachers to begin with.  She's too dumb to understand this was a global headquarters for Amazon.  Not $10 an hour warehouse jobs but IT, Finance, Marketing, Middle Management jobs that would have paid $80K plus a year.  The kind of jobs in which people pay the lion's share of taxes.  The city claimed they'd still get $2 billion in net taxes and since none of us on WB know what that data entails none of us can say whether that was or was not an accurate number.  However, thousands of good paying jobs (the ones people like AOC always talk about) would have been a boom to the NYC economy.
 
This is what happens when you take a 29 year old bartender with grand ideas and not an ounce of common sense or any idea of how the world works and put them into this kind of position.  She's got the intellectual capacity of a seven year old telling his/her mommy and daddy they want every other little boy to have a pony to ride and pet.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 19, 2019 - 1:54pm
George
 
"This is what happens when you take a 29 year old bartender with grand ideas and not an ounce of common sense or any idea of how the world works and put them into this kind of position."
 
This also speaks to Boston U about 'education,' what that means and what they produced. 
 
If her neurons weighted as much as her teeth then she might get her IQ past 80.
ChetDude Added Feb 19, 2019 - 7:03pm
George: You are often worth reading but I'm afraid your misogynistic comment ("This woman is a 29 year old bimbo") about a woman who's already accomplished more than you or I ever will is beneath you.
 
As for the democrats if they want to "win" again and be worthy of our support, they'd follow the lead of AOC, Sanders, Ro Khanna and Ilhan Omar and regain the Working Class constituency their sell-out to the Plutocrat/Corporations in the 80s cost them.  If the democrat wing wants USAmerica to have a real future, they'll reject the Oligarchy.
ChetDude Added Feb 19, 2019 - 7:05pm
rycK - on the other hand, I definitely expect right-wing shyte and misogynist bullsh*t from you.  Thanks for not disappointing us.
 
AOC's accomplished more by age 29 than you ever will.  Plus she's twice as smart and four times as articulate as you will ever be.
Jim Stoner Added Feb 19, 2019 - 8:14pm
rycK,  Your NYC info is 30-40 years old:  the city has changed a lot.   Tech and finance, and real estate, and tourism, all doing just fine, thank you.  Crime rates way down.   If you want to credit the "liberals", a lot of that would go to noted liberals Rudy Giuliani and Mike Bloomberg. 
 
Virtually all of Manhattan and large parts of both Brooklyn and Queens are now fully gentrified.   
 
Still, the infrastructure needs work.  Not the wiring and only somewhat the water/power systems.  More like shoring up seawalls, tearing up some of the roads, adding more park and pedestrian.
  
And, most of all, fixing up the subways and train lines.  It's a mishmosh of very old, middle-aged but crappy, and some more recent stuff. ; I believe they are doing a comprehensive review in these days to see what it would take to make it what it should be. 
 
New York has been the center of the world economy for 100 years.  We shouldn't give up that title to Shanghai due to lack of effort or being stingy with our abundant capital. 
 
East Saint Louis was never anything except a dumping ground for laborers in St. Louis (conveniently out of state).  Illinois, frankly, doesn't give a shit.  So, yeah, some areas have been passed over and otherwise subjected to injustice (ex. Ferguson, on the other side of the metro area). is that what you're recommending?  Some major urban renovation all over the country?  If not, STFU. 
 
 
George N Romey Added Feb 20, 2019 - 7:00am
Well Chet I'm not right wing, if you ever bother to actually read my posts. This woman is a bimbo. And if it had been a 29 year old white dude I'd probably say something just and blunt, and true, as of him.
 
The left can't get away from this woman fast enough. She's clueless on anything that requires critical thinking, like when he said "we have gazillions of people living in cars."  In other words, she is too lazy to look up real numbers on homelessness, or even have her staff do it.  She proposed a deal that isn't practical and when she was (rightly) confronted by Anderson Cooper, a gay man and a liberal, she went into her snit mode about all the wrongs of the world and how people like Cooper don't seem to care.
 
Not to mention she destroyed the possibility of having thousands of good paying jobs brought to NYC.  I can assure you people doing complex programming aren't being paid $10 an hour and forced to work in a hot or cold warehouse.
 
That's the difference.  I call people as they are while you want to political niceness.  Like I said she sounds like a seven year old telling Mommy she wants every little boy and girl to have a pony.

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