Tyranny is not confined to socialism

Tyranny is not confined to socialism, nor does socialism ipso facto mean tyranny as you suggest. Nor is it absent, as we well know, from the very government We People are alleged to have instituted.


The Dictatorship of the Majority is the definition of a democracy, as opposed to a constitutional republic. But even the republic form can be tyrannical. The truth is, a benign dictatorship can be better than a corrupted republic or democracy. Despite its being demonized in the MSM, Gadaffi's socialist-dictatorship Libya was putting Western democracies to shame with its highly progressive social policies.


The problem here has been that materialistic lust was, and has been, sold as freedom; so as long as people had that illusion in mind, they never recognized they were indentured economic slaves under the auspices of the usury of private banking. Bottom line, truly free societies were genocided by Euro aristocrats to create the illusion of freedom called the Land of the Free. It was the Land FOR Free - stolen, in other words. All that happened in the "people's" revolution is that the colony went from overt control by Crown/aristocracy to covert control by same. “Colonies do not cease to be colonies because they are independent.” - Benjamin Disraeli


One key is that tyrrany takes different forms in various political setups. In the "free" systems, it manifests most effectively, though largely unrecognized, as economic slavery sold as freedom—in a system that promotes and exploits materialistic lust, wealth and property hoarding. It's mediated via interest-bearing debt and income taxes (both legalized innate crime), and inflation (a contrived hidden tax).


I suggest that all forms of Institutionalized Government are Elite constructs for mass herding and control. No matter how good they look on paper, with the wealth and power conferred upon the Elite via the normal operation of economies, they can easily be infiltrated and function to serve Elite interests. This goes way beyond mere lobbying, bribery, "money in politics," and so on.


With their bulging eyes focused on material prosperity and superficial fascinations, and with their heads bulging with cleverly fielded, starry-eyed propaganda, the people have allowed the Government to become almost entirely controlled by Elite policy. The latter has, from Day One, guided US foreign policy.


Tubularsock Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:33pm
PeterTocci, excellently stated. Tubularsock is in complete agreement with your view!
“The problem here has been that materialistic lust was, and has been, sold as freedom . . .” captures the essence of the problem in our current system.
Toss in greed and lack of concern for the whole and you have our current system which has been plaguing earth for some time.
George N Romey Added Feb 10, 2019 - 2:36pm
Tyranny is tyranny whether it's coming from the Bank of America, Wal Mart or some power hungry government bureaucrat. 
Dino Manalis Added Feb 10, 2019 - 3:02pm
 Private banking isn't a problem, just don't borrow more than you can possibly pay back!
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 10, 2019 - 7:51pm
How can a worker be a slave when during Obamacare the requirements to get welfare was very loose.  Those that had no choice have gone back to work.  Now why did they do that?  People can switch jobs and do.  The average American if I remember works for four different employers, not slavery.  
This is a personal choice, <<materialistic lust was, and has been, sold as freedom.>>  Who is doing the selling.  Obviously advertisers but also the education system.  The religion of socialism teaches 'EQUAL OUTCOMES!'   This means equal ownership of material things which leads to lust.   The government debt to private banks is by far greater then the citizens even when the lust of material goods.  Who is the bad guy?  The government that demands debt is committing treason to make them beholding to enemies.  Private banks are only at best middle men between nations.  The people are just following the the example of Government.  The historic method of dealing with high debt is to cheapen the money value.  Citizens join in in the attempt to get a bargain by using debt to purchase material things. 
The second approach of government to deal with debt  is raise taxes.  So who is enslaving the citizens?   Government!!!
I see your talking about the foundation of Socialism.  That believe that master minds make better decisions then the people.  This creates a elite governing class. that includes the crony capitalist that fund the government.  The rest of the people at collectives of lower classes.  <<I suggest that all forms of Institutionalized Government are Elite constructs for mass herding and control.>>
This is a fantasy << The truth is, a benign dictatorship can be better than a corrupted republic or democracy. >>  The problem is that the BENIGN DICTATOR DIES.  The replacement will not be benign and for sure the next one after the second will not be benign.  ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!!!   A corrupt republic with the rule of law still requiring the agreement of corrupt representatives will result in self interest of the representative conflicting some of the time.  Thus resulting in less then absolute power.
Marty Koval Added Feb 10, 2019 - 9:34pm
Materialistic lust has been a problem for centuries in every society. When the need for possessions becomes obsessive it is not only sinful, it is dangerous. Materialism is idolatry and it never leads to godliness. People should avoid being materialistic because life is not about the newest possessions.
Is your god the newest apple products, new automobile, new cloths? What consumes your mind? Who or what is the treasure of your heart? Material products do not bring happiness and contentment, but happiness and contentment is only found in Christ.
The grace that has freed us from bondage to sin is desperately needed to free us from our bondage to materialism.” The best things in life aren’t things or more things.
Life is not about having a lot of material possessions. People who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. People, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.
Life is about: Enjoy what you have rather than desiring what you don’t have. How meaningless to think that wealth brings true happiness! Don’t love money; be satisfied with what you have.
Everyone needs to ask themselves this question: Why do I spend money on what cannot nourish me and my wages on what does not satisfy me?
Jim Stoner Added Feb 11, 2019 - 12:16am
from Aristotle's Politics: “Any sole ruler, who is not required to give an account of himself, and who rules over subjects all equal or superior to himself to suit his own interest and not theirs, can only be exercising a tyranny.”
Sounds like DJT to me. 
PeterTocci Added Feb 16, 2019 - 12:32pm
Thanks for all responses. Sorry for the length here, but I will try to answer challenges in order, although I will not have time to get into further discussion. SO you may all have the "last word," if desired. Please understand, though, that the views I share arise from 35-40 years of questioning, reading, research, and communicating—with a mind open to the possibility of having been programmed and bamboozled by conventional beliefs and belief systems. This has resulted in some "unconventional" conclusions which sound "off the wall" to anyone who's sure that the brainwash of "what-everyone-knows" history, politics, economics, government, etc., is accurate.

We all "start" at different points. I started out as much a flag-waiver as anyone. Along the way, though, I somehow got led to information that contradicted much of what I "knew." Did I know it, or had I been told what to think instead of how to think critically?

For small example, I was "educated" to believe that Columbus was a brave explorer who "discovered" America. In truth, he was a greed-driven searcher for riches for Ferdinand and Isabella, a torturing, murderous, plundering rapist, who never set foot on America, who thought he was in the East Indies, who hung island Natives in trees and took bets with his men as to who could cut one in half with a single swipe of the sword. He wiped out an entire people (Taino), eight million down to 100,000, making him the most prolific serial killer in history. Did anyone learn that in school?

I'll preface with a few quotes to set the tone:
"A morsel of genuine history is a thing so rare as to be always valuable." - Thomas Jefferson

"There are two ways to be fooled.  One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true."  - Søren Kierkegaard

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain

“Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public disbelief.” - Marshall McLuhan

It's called the American dream 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it. - George Carlin

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller, at the June, 1991 Bilderberg meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle)

"What is the crime of robbing a bank compared to that of founding one?" - Bertholt Brecht

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." - H.L. Mencken

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” - Goethe
For Tubularsock: the lust is a symptom, though. I suggest it arises in large part from something missing in Western "civilization." Something found in many indigenous cultures - intimate communion with the natural world. Western civ is "Nature alienated," paving the way for the rape/toxification of the source of life to turn it into things and cash to drive a toxic, suicidal economy.

FOR GEORGE: Absolutely.

FOR DINO: "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible, to maintain their control over governments, by controlling money and its issuance." - James Madison. For "money changers" read "bankers."

"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." - John Adams. He should have said, "...interest-bearing debt," that's the innate crime underlying private banking. This is a deep subject, many facets, too much to discuss here. May  suggest you take a look at this economics article on my (sorely neglected) website: http://www.geminipress.com/mhsSeriesPart4Economics.html

"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." -- Reginald McKenna, British Chancellor of the Exchequer as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924

FOR THOMAS: Another complex subject. My remarks that got posted here by Autumn under my name, with permission, were just a response to someone on another site, saying that socialism is, ipso facto, tyrannical. Not so. See here: https://shadowproof.com/2011/10/21/16-things-libyan
PeterTocci Added Feb 16, 2019 - 12:45pm
Thomas cont.
See here: https://shadowproof.com/2011/10/21/16-things-libyans-will-never-see-again/

For the most part, those on welfare (socialism, the best example of which here is corporate welfare) got there due to economic slavery in the first place. Poverty is structured into the system.

One must first understand the ancient and deep manipulation of human society by a coterie consisting of royal and aristocratic families (bloodlines) extending to antiquity. Almost all presidents have been bloodliner descendants. Bush line goes back to Ramses pharaohs in Egypt. And almost all hail back to either King Alfred the Great or Charlemagne (most).

Also, there is no PURE system. The capitalist/democracy way is laced with socialism, and socialist governments rape/liquidate the planet for money, which is the foundation of capitalism.

Elite influence on human society is DEEP, often unrecognized as such. Many things we take for granted as normal/the way things must be and so on, are still part of a mind trap. Like the notion that money has to be a store of value, with the con game that gold has intrinsic value, as do food and water, the environment, for example. Like institutionalized government per se, as opposed to tribal organization - whether totalitarian or putatively "democratic" - is an Elite construct for mass herding, control, and war creation. A major reason is that such governments are easily infiltrated by traitors (posing as patriots) working to advance Elite interests. Bottom line, governments are not autonomous, though history is told as if they are.

And if there's a BIS central bank in your "free" country, you live in a system of economic slavery sold as freedom. I recommend to you also the essay on economics: http://www.geminipress.com/mhsSeriesPart4Economics.html

The "selling" has been done via influence on society by power brokers who were also behind the creation of the USA. Despite popular mytho-history, aristocrats and their minions instigated the Revolution. Materialism was sold previously to Euro immigrants whose focus became money, and who came here for unlimited "prosperity and freedom." Banks were allowed operate here from the outset, stealing the wealth produced by work with usury. Whereas, but for the lie about money, the Government - any government - could have created honest money interest free. It need only be a standard of value.

Socialism is about the fact that the no financial manipulators shall create poverty in the process of creating inordinate wealth by co-opting and raping that which supports all. Capitalism assumes the Earth belongs to humans, whereas things belong to their creator, thus we belong to Mother Earth as our source of life. It's the utmost violation of spirit to abuse and despoil it for money. Via Elite manipulation, insanity has been "normalized." And the system confers enormous wealth on them, which they turn around and use to enslave the people.

You're basically right about things you say about government, so your "second approach" to deal with (interest-bearing) debt (that shouldn't be) is taxes. SO - debt interest AND taxes (and inflation - no accident) ARE the enslavement. "There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." - John Adams

You know, the Founders really had no confidence in the People to run the show. Very few of them, and very few key figures in Government were every-day people. Most have been bloodliners or their operatives, or wealthy folk who got that way by raping Earth for products. The ancient Hawaiians walked the forest until they found a tree ready to become a canoe. Aware of the wheel, however, Native Americans did not implement it, because they knew intuitively it had the potential to heavily damage or destroy Earth, which damage they understood as harm to self.

In re benign dictatorship. If benign, the dictator will make sure that his successor maintains the tradition. Dictatorship is sometimes the best for stability. Because of the tumultuous and factional nature of Arab and Muslim countries, for example, dictatorship serves well. Saddam's Iraq is a great example, though he was assisted to power by the CIA to do war with Iran. But women had more freedom there than any Arab or Muslim nation, and it was fairly prosperous there by materialistic standards. He was media-demonized and backstabbed in several ways by his Western 'buddies,' especially Kissinger and Poppy Bush, but he was the Elite operatives' boy.

"Absolute" WEALTH also tends to corrupt absolutely, which is avoided in the socialist model.

I disagree with your last sentence because governments follow Elite policy. The bickering impacts only the Drama being played out to convince the masses they HAVE government.
PeterTocci Added Feb 16, 2019 - 12:52pm
FOR MARTY: Good sentiments there, and everyone's entitled to their religious beliefs. But religious beliefs and precepts are not necessary for understanding them. Moreover, people can read such ideas, no matter the source, and still remain addicted and/or self-hypnotized via conditioning, and they do have "things" that apparently 'fulfill' them as well. "I've been poor and I've been rich. Rich is better." - Hugh Hefner. One can spout morals, cry "Exploitation!," and contend that he didn't have "true happiness," only material happiness.

But my comment lacked its proper context, because it was a response to a comment on an article on Activist Post: https://www.activistpost.com/2019/02/5-ways-to-teach-liberty-to-young-children.html#comment-4329262788

My context, in terms of human politics and way of life is that planetary wellbeing is of infinitely greater significance than human wellbeing, and that the planet should come first in most choices and behaviors especially when it comes to major sociocultural developments. After all, ecologically speaking, technologically focused and obsessed and humans are a plain detriment and major threat to planet, thus all life. Earthworms are more important than humans in that respect. I encourage you to read my article on wireless technology, which encompasses and expands on these suggestions.

FOR JEREMY: And many others. What I often stress in my writings and comments, however, is that governments and people at his level are not autonomous, but are executing policy handed down from the top level of the power hierarchy, or the global financial elite power brokers. This goes well beyond lobbying, "money in politics," and so on. He is not the problem, but a symptom of it. Actually, the entire system is a symptom of the same problem: The ancient and deep Elite manipulation/control of human society. It's a very deep rabbit hole, wherein things that seem normal and good are still part of a Mind trap - like 'all forms of Institutionalized Government.'
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 16, 2019 - 3:58pm
PeterTocci, may I ask what does Columbus have to do with the USA?  The founders of the USA rejected the monarch style of government that came with Columbus.  They realized that they were second class citizens which is the real reason of the American Revolution.  The Declaration of Independence spells out the rejection of classes that are created by government laws and the Constitution puts the declaration into practice. I agree that the present day government practices socialism, class society with lesser human classes.
You like quotes, I will add one.  The New Deal has never ended and in fact Obama tried to finish the last of the 1942 State of the Union list called ironically 'Second Bill of Rights' which never intended to be amendments to the Constitution but slipped in, in the night by the back door.  
"And with astonishment I took my first hard look at the New Deal. . . . All the New Dealers I had known were Communists or near-Communists. None of them took the New Deal seriously as an end in itself. They regarded it as an instrument for gaining their own revolutionary ends. . . . It was “a genuine revolution, whose deepest purpose was not simply reform within existing traditions, but a basic change in the social, and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”This “revolution” was not taking the same form as the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, but its effect was just as sinister:

It was not a revolution by violence. It was a revolution by bookkeeping and lawmaking. In so far as it was successful, the power of politics had replaced the power of business. This is the basic power shift of all the revolutions of our time.
This shift was the revolution. . . . As Chambers explains, Thus men who sincerely abhorred the word Communism, in the pursuit of common ends found that they were unable to distinguish Communists from themselves, except that it was just the Communists who were likely to be most forthright and most dedicated in the common cause."
Clearly the curtain has been pulled back since 2016 and we know see this generation of 'New Dealers.'  Which as we see are both parties in Congress and the Deep State is the leviathan Bureaucracy that prevents any sliding back of the vehicle of state.  
I will talk about the economy next.   Libya is a Muslim nation 97% so it is not a democracy because GOD'S GOVERNMENT  is a class society with a governing and wealth class just like socialism and monarchies.  Your hoping your audience is stupid.
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 16, 2019 - 7:22pm

"Back in 1831, Alexis de Tocqueville accurately foresaw both much of what ails us and our remarkable uniqueness and strengths. Tocqueville’s deservedly famous book, “Democracy in America,” was the product of his nine-month excursion throughout Jacksonian America. The purpose of this trip was to study our country’s political institution and the habits of mind of its citizens.
Tocqueville foresaw an “immense tutelary power”—the modern state—which would degrade men rather than destroy their bodies. Over time, he feared, the state would take away citizens’ free will, their capacity to think and act, reducing them to “a herd of timid and industrious animals of which the government is the shepherd.” Are contemporary China and Russia substantially different? . . . He also predicted Russian despotism, thinking that Russia was not yet morally exhausted like Europe and would bring about a new, massive tyranny. In fact, he conjectured that America and Russia would each “hold the destinies of half the world in its hands one day.”
Most alarming to him was the power of the majority, which he thought would distort every sphere of human life. . . . That is, the majority reaches into citizens’ minds and hearts. It breaks citizens’ will to resist, to question its authority, and to think for themselves. The majority’s moral power makes individuals internally ashamed to contradict it, which in effect silences them, and this silencing culminates in a cessation of thinking. We see this happen almost daily: to stand against the majority is to ruin yourself.
Moreover, Tocqueville feared that the majority’s tastes and opinions would occupy every sphere of sentiment and thought. One among many illuminating examples is his commentary on democratic art. He foresaw that the majority would have no taste for portraying great human beings doing great deeds. Art used to be the pictorial representation of man’s connection to the natural or divine order to which he belongs. But in modern democracies, art would go in the direction of the majority’s tastes: it would be abstract, focused on color and shape.
Why? Because to experience this kind of art, one needs to only have senses, whereas to experience the art of the past, one needs an education in the classics—the Bible and ancient literature especially. It’s easy to pontificate about Jackson Pollock, while it’s difficult to understand Michelangelo. But most revealing is that abstract art is an expression of democracy’s hatred for human greatness, the very theme of art."   http://dailysignal.com/print/?post_id=194217
Government spending is 'good' for the economy is a common theme of politicians. This can't be because when the government spends money, it has to either tax it away from consumers of producers, print it – thereby lowering the value of all other money – or borrow it, incurring debt that will later have to be paid off plus interest. All these factors are interrelated and it's impossible to change one without changing the others as well. So Obama an others claim that government stimulus saved or created millions of jobs, ignoring the fact that the money spent came out of the pockets of Americans.
The fundamental principle of socialism is to collect a Brain Trust as an elite class to plan and direct all of society, the same thing goes for Islam. The same is true for passed government with the nobility being the Brain Trust. John Maynard Keynes, part of the trust said market economy will often experience inefficient macroeconomic outcomes. These can be mitigated by economic policy responses, in particular,monetary policy actions by the central bank and
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 16, 2019 - 7:25pm

These can be mitigated by economic policy responses, in particular,   monetary policy actions by the central bank and fiscal policy actions by the government, which can help stabilize output over the business cycle. Government spending is 'good' for the economy is a common theme of politicians. But all other things aren't equal. This can't be because when the government spends money, it has to either tax it away from consumers of producers, print it – thereby lowering the value of all other money – or borrow it, incurring debt that will later have to be paid off plus interest. All these factors are interrelated and it's impossible to change one without changing the others as well. So Obama an others claim that government stimulus saved or created millions of jobs, ignoring the fact that the money spent came out of the pockets of Americans.
President Obama's Department of Commerce delivered the miserable news. The annualized growth rate of 2.24 % dead last compared to the six other recoveries since 1960, which averaged 3.97 % after 23 quarters. Reagan recovery sizzled, 4.8 % annualized growth through 23 quarters. Harding and Coolidge created sizzling economies after Wilson created a malaise recovery from the WWI recessions, the first Democratic socialist president. Brain Trust Federal reserve bankers failed to be the bank of last resort precipitating the Great Depression. F. Roosevelt applied Kaynes economics resulting in another malaise recovery that WWII ended. FDR provided the blue print for Obama recovery. And finally the Carter could not hang on to the presidency due to a malaise economic recovery. “When President Reagan entered office in 1981, he faced actually much worse economic problems than President Obama faced in 2009.” http://onforb.es/qH5Dq7 Since FDR the brain trust have been in charge of the economy with only two presidents preventing them from implementing Kaynes economic principle. So why have we had six recessions?
The first major step of progressives was the 16th Amendment, graduated income tax. “The progressive income tax increases political power over private wealth and moves the issues of wealth and fruits of production into the arena of government power and political discussion. It brings “class warfare” into public discussion, and promotes class envy, and when done with savvy demagoguery, distracts from the fact of property as a natural and civil right to the idea that it all belongs to the government to use for the “common good”, for the use of the collective. In other words, it’s a Trojan horse, meant to both concentrate control of wealth into the hands of political kingmakers and money changers. It even brings the owners of wealth to centers of government power to beg for relief, and makes it a political issue pitting confiscators concerned about the poor (as if) against people who make too much money.” Income tax is the second plank of the 1848 Communist Manifesto and part of Fabian Socialist plan. https://trutherator.wordpress.com/why-did-karl-marx-want-an-unequal-income-tax-and-what-central-bank/